Finally a trade? Report of Melvin Ely to the Spurs

[lessthannick11]

The Charlotte Bobcats were finalizing a trade Tuesday morning, and there were initial indications it would involve power forward Melvin Ely going to the San Antonio Spurs.


http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/16689620.htm


Not a blockbuster but some fresh blood finally

maybe for beno?

[AFBlue]

WTF! Do not be pulling my chain!

If it also involved Brevin Knight I would cream...

[ChumpDumper]

Good find.

[AFBlue]

Unbelievable find....Google said it was updated 19 minutes ago....nice job!

[Drive Like Jehu]

Beno doesn't come close to matching Ely's salary. I'd guess Eric Williams. His contract doesn't match either, but I believe the Bobcats are under the cap and can absorb some salary and therefore don't have to adhere to that CBA requirement.

[Kori Ellis]

Interesting. I suggested it a while ago because I knew the Spurs used to be interested in him.

[timvp]

Sweet.

Ely isn't much but he has good potential.

[T-Pain]

wow interesting. This looks pretty legit and we could be seeing Ely in a spurs uniform very soon.

[lessthannick11]

Well I look at spurs stuff on my lunch break, I shecked it out at a lucky time

either way who does this hurt though, no room for ely, oberto, horry, and elson with bonner back soon

[AFBlue]

Probably for Eric Williams + pick.... Charlotte is under the cap so they don't have to match salaries

[T Park]

Interesting.

3.3 who makes that...

[timvp]

The Spurs have wanted Ely for a looooooooong time. Going back to that draft, they tried to trade up to get him. Then they tried to get him from the Clippers. And then have tried over and over to get him from Charlotte.

[cheguevara]

Hope we got rid of Oberto and Beno, dudes just suck and bringing us down.

[angel_luv]

When do you guys expect official word? If something happens after 2:30 this afternoon, someone please text and tell me since I'll be stuck in rodeo land.

[AFBlue]

Well I look at spurs stuff on my lunch break, I shecked it out at a lucky time

either way who does this hurt though, no room for ely, oberto, horry, and elson with bonner back soon

We'll see how it shakes out when Bonner does come back. My guess is that Bonner takes some/most of Horry's minutes and Ely gets the opportunity to prove himself over Elson/Oberto combo

[cheguevara]

Smallball v 2.0

[T-Pain]

so far no reports from spurs.com or espn.com, but it seems to be imminent if the Charlotte Observer is reporting it

[ShoogarBear]

The Charlotte Bobcats were finalizing a trade Tuesday morning, and there were initial indications it would involve power forward Melvin Ely going to the San Antonio Spurs.

Ely is playing on a one-year 3.3 million contract and has requested a trade that would allow him more playing time, sources said. The Bobcats tied him to that 1-year qualifying offer last summer in hopes of dealing him.

The team has an abundance of other options at the position, including lottery pick Emeka Okafor and Sean May.

It was not initially available what the Spurs would be giving up for Ely.


And I'm still in command.

[ChumpDumper]

Deckchairs on the Titanic, but it's something.

[LEONARD]

All is well in ST-land... :fro

[timvp]

Eric Williams, draft pick and cash. Has to be. It's just a matter of whether it's a first round draft pick or not.

Hopefully it doesn't include Butler or Bonner. Other than those two, I don't really mind losing any of the rest of the Big 3.5.

[Bob Lanier]

Ely's a nice player... not necessarily starter-quality but far more consistent than either Elson or Oberto.

He has two dependable jumphooks and can finish at the rim. He's not terribly athletic defensively, but he's pretty strong and can block a shot occasionally. He's also a decent to good rebounder.

I'm not sure he's good enough for Pop to make him a starter or avoid smallball, but he's a good find.

[ShoogarBear]

Good lord, we're going to give up a draft pick for a guy averaging 2.9 PPG?

[AFBlue]

Profiles from a couple different sites:



Positives: Ely's up-and-under move should make him lots of money. He can score in the post, increased his range to 15 feet and beyond and can work the offensive glass. He went back to school for a fifth season, his fourth year of eligibility, and he actually got better. Ely is a classic example of a player who is maturing along with his body. He should have a lengthy career.

Negatives: Ely has the moves, but will he be a dominant scorer? Probably not. He can be a player who will be productive when he's out on the court, but not the center of an offense. He has to get onto the right team and be patient. He was frustrated at times early in his career when he wasn't the first option.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nbadraft/tracker/player?playerId=17287


Strengths: A very good athlete with offensive touch. Played well despite sitting out part of the season. Can block shots and has very good explosiveness and leaping ability. Has built his strength and size up well and will come into the league with the added experience of playing through his senior season.

Weaknesses: Desire and intensity are question marks for Ely. Must develop more intensity on the floor to maximize his talents. Has good touch around the basket, but scores a lot of point on putbacks and dunks. Needs to develop his offensive game more both inside and out. For his size and athleticism his rebounding ability is average.

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/melvinely.htm

[rayray2k8]

All is well in ST-land... :fro
lol
That aint gonna satisfy them, they want MORE!! :hungry:

[AFBlue]

Good lord, we're going to give up a draft pick for a guy averaging 2.9 PPG?

If it's one of the second-rounders...that's not a big hit.

If it's the first.... :madrun

[T Park]

Yeah, accordng to ST intelligence, hes more of a shotblocker interior defender guy.

Praise jesus we might get better defensively.

[lessthannick11]

what if we just made our only trade and still dont have an athletic 3-4 for a stretch run?

my only worry...

[AFBlue]

what if we just made our only trade and still dont have an athletic 3-4 for a stretch run?

my only worry...

doubt the Spurs were ever gonna land "that guy" who would have contributed.

[T Park]

Good lord, we're going to give up a draft pick for a guy averaging 2.9 PPG

They don't play him at all.

hes stuck behind May and Okafor.

[Drive Like Jehu]

Ely was traded with Eddie House for 2 2nd round picks.

I would be surprised if the Spurs sent a 1st round pick for Ely, unless they were trying to dump it to save cash and the roster spot.

[AFBlue]

NBA Comparison: Nazr Mohammed

This is glaring at me though...

[ShoogarBear]

They don't play him at all.

hes stuck behind May and Okafor.And that's an argument for giving up a draft pick?

[Bob Lanier]

He's nothing like Nazr Mohammed. He's a far better defender, has far better hands, and is somewhere close to far worse on the glass.

[AFBlue]

Ely was traded with Eddie House for 2 2nd round picks.

I would be surprised if the Spurs sent a 1st round pick for Ely, unless they were trying to dump it to save cash and the roster spot.

The "first rounder" thing might be based on a report that the Nets tried to pry away Ely from the Bobcats using McInnis and were surprised when the Bobcats asked for McInnis + a first round pick....they later settled for Bernard Robinson.

[Spurminator]

Player - rebounds per 48m, blocks per 48m

Ely - 7.6, 1.2
Elson - 12.8, 2.1
Oberto - 12.5, 1.0

[timvp]

Ely is more of a shotblocker than a rebounder. But he'd be the best shotblocker on the team outside of Duncan. Offensively, he has good low post moves.

If the trade is for Eric Williams, a draft pick and cash ... it'll be more of a cost cutting move than a basketball move. But at least the Spurs got someone they've been after for a while. And at 28, he should still have decent legs.

[td4mvp21]

This is glaring at me though...

Eh, I doubt they are exactly alike.

[JPB]

I'm confused... Pop said there would be no trade... Is it possible that he was lying ?
It can't be.

[T Park]

And that's an argument for giving up a draft pick

How about shot blocking rebounding big man.

That good enough? :lol


Christ you guys bitch your faces off to make a trade, and when they do.

YOU BITCH MORE!!

CHRIST YOU PEOPLE ARE INSATIABLE!!!!!! :pctoss

[Trainwreck2100]

The draft pick is too much to give up. Unless it's a 2nd rounder

[td4mvp21]

Last year, he averaged 9.8 ppg and 4.9 rpg, .8 bpg, 23 mpg, in 57 played games. I bet we could get the rebounding up. 9.8 ppg I'd be hella happy with.

[Budkin]

Maybe this explains why we haven't seen Williams at all. Thank God it sounds like something is about to go down though. DEFENSE! :downspin:

[T-Pain]

waiting for official announcement...

[JPB]

I'm confused...Pop said there would be no trade... Is it possible that he was lying ?

It can't be.

[Das Texan]

This is a nice start.


Anything is better than the garbage we currently have roaming the spot next to Duncan.

[T Park]

If the trade is for Eric Williams, a draft pick and cash ... it'll be more of a cost cutting move than a basketball move

WTF.

They are getting a shotblocking bigman.

Id say its a basketball move.

[timvp]

Player - rebounds per 48m, blocks per 48m

Ely - 7.6, 1.2
Elson - 12.8, 2.1
Oberto - 12.5, 1.0

In years he actually played, Ely's shotblocking was over two. But yeah, his rebounding leaves a lot to be desired from a bigman . . .

Where have we heard that before?

[AFBlue]

Scouting report: Ely likes to post up on the left block and shoot a jump hook, which he can do with either hand. However, he needs to get in fairly close range for this to be an effective weapon, which is another reason he tends to turn it over a lot -- often he has to dribble his way into range. Ely isn't much of a jump shooter and is only modestly talented as a finisher around the basket.

He's also a bit of a tweener because he plays like a center but his build is closer to that of a power forward. Ely isn't much of a rebounder and is only moderately effective as a shot-blocker, but asking him to cover power forwards can create matchup problems against quicker players. Around the basket, he's pretty solid -- he won't alter shots, but he makes an effort to get in the way.

That's from the "hollinger stats" section of his ESPN player page...

Note: He's really regressed (shot over 50% from the field last year to under 40% this year), but that might be due to inconsistent playing time, etc.

[Patrick Davis]

Ely's best season was last year, he played more minutes and averaged less rebounds than oberto or elson this year. He can score but that's not what we need in the post. Its a good pickup if we don't have to give anything up to get him. But the kid is a scorer not the tough man we need to back up tim.

[T Park]

The guy's rebounding will improve also next to Duncan.

Right now, he looks like a more athletic Oberto.

Similar height. Similar games somewhat.

Just can jump.

If so, thats a damn good step in the right direction.

[angel_luv]

Ely is more of a shotblocker than a rebounder. But he'd be the best shotblocker on the team outside of Duncan. Offensively, he has good low post moves.

If the trade is for Eric Williams, a draft pick and cash ... it'll be more of a cost cutting move than a basketball move. But at least the Spurs got someone they've been after for a while. And at 28, he should still have decent legs.


A cost cutting move for whom? The Spurs?
And if for the Spurs and the trade goes through, do you think the Spurs will re invest those funds this season or just pocket the savings?

[Patrick Davis]

and lets not forget he's an awful free throw shooter.

[Spurminator]

Well, I wonder if his rebounding numbers have anything to do with Charlotte's porous defense. Hard stats don't really tell much of a story, but a 5 rp48m differential is striking.

[T Park]

shocker.

spurs make a trade and Spurstalk isn't happy with it....

[cheguevara]

Is it possible that he was lying ?


:lmao





don't get your hopes up ppl, here are comments from Bobcats fans:
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wake me up if the robertcats ever win more than 20 games in a season.

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this sucks nuts

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[td4mvp21]

I'm disappointed in what I'm hearing about his rebounding.

[ShoogarBear]

How about shot blocking rebounding big man.

That good enough? :lol


Christ you guys bitch your faces off to make a trade, and when they do.

YOU BITCH MORE!!

CHRIST YOU PEOPLE ARE INSATIABLE!!!!!! :pctossT Park, once again you live down to your reputation.

In case you haven't been paying attention, the Spurs are in this predicament because they have gotten too old by giving up draft picks for little in return.

They aren't going to fix it by giving up even more draft picks for third stringers playing for a last-place team in the East.

[JPB]

Player - rebounds per 48m, blocks per 48m

Ely - 7.6, 1.2
Elson - 12.8, 2.1
Oberto - 12.5, 1.0

It doesn't mean much when you have very limited PT.

[T Park]

the Spurs are in this predicament because they have gotten too old by giving up draft picks for little in return.


and a shotblocking big man that can score and is 28 isnt wortha second round pick?

Please....

[AFBlue]

I'm confused...Pop said there would be no trade... Is it possible that he was lying ?

It can't be.

He said trades were possible with "peripheral" players. If it's Eric Williams and a draft pick, that qualifies (my opinion of what the deal likely will be). They've said all along they would try to move Williams' contract and buy him out if it didn't work out.

[Patrick Davis]

2nd round and cap room for making a trade that could help them more, I would wait on this trade until near the deadline. If you can't get something better then take it.

[ShoogarBear]

Good thing for you that you weren't in Jonestown.

[T Park]

all the per 48 min stats are gonna blow, becuase the guy hardly plays.

He played alot last year due to Sean may hardly playing.

When he DID play, his per 48s were fantastic.


Whatever, per 48 stats are bullshit anyways.


The Spurs get younger, get an athletic big man that can block shots and score, andddddddddd its met with tepid feelings.

Shocking as Pop saying there won't be a trade and then there is one.

[JPB]

:lmao





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wake me up if the robertcats ever win more than 20 games in a season.

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i hope you got the irony. Didn't you. :wakeup

[T Park]

2nd round and cap room for making a trade that could help them more, I would wait on this trade until near the deadline. If you can't get something better then take it.

There is nothing else.

No one wants to help this team, and they have nothing of value to give.

People need to wake up to that FACT.

[AFBlue]

Ely's best season was last year, he played more minutes and averaged less rebounds than oberto or elson this year. He can score but that's not what we need in the post. Its a good pickup if we don't have to give anything up to get him. But the kid is a scorer not the tough man we need to back up tim.

A low post presence when Duncan is not on the floor is one of the biggest holes with this team. There's no threat from any of the "other bigs" to score in the paint when Duncan isn't in.

Good move if he plays...

[cheguevara]

i hope you got the irony. Didn't you. :wakeup

yeah it was funny thus the :lmao

[timvp]

Defensively, Ely looks like he's pretty damn good according to all the numbers I look at. Every year he's been in the league, opponents score less when he's on the court than when he's off it.

Over the last couple games, it's been obvious that the Spurs need more bulk in the middle. At 260, he gives you that bulk.

And to those who asked, it's a cost cutting move for the Spurs (if it's the EWill trade I've talked about) because it allows the Spurs to get under the luxury tax threshold.

[T Park]

If the guy blocks shots, brings energy and rebounds, with and without duncan, then his job is done.

That simple.

This feels like the JR Reid for Charles Smith trade, but again, that wasn't a bad trade either.


Both trades, your not losing out on anything.

[td4mvp21]

A low post presence when Duncan is not on the floor is one of the biggest holes with this team. There's no threat from any of the "other bigs" to score in the paint when Duncan isn't in.

Good move if he plays...

:tu

I'm sure he at least get some playing time, if we even get the guy. You can't just trade for someone like that and then not play them.

[T Park]

And to those who asked, it's a cost cutting move for the Spurs (if it's the EWill trade I've talked about) because it allows the Spurs to get under the luxury tax threshold

but for the reasons you listed above it wouldn't be a basketball move either?

[Mr. Body]

If the pick is a first rounder (any year) or the Milwaukee pick this year, I'll puke.

[timvp]

As long as this trade doesn't involve Bonner, Butler or a first round pick, it's a good trade.

[AFBlue]

If the guy blocks shots, brings energy and rebounds, with and without duncan, then his job is done.

That simple.

This feels like the JR Reid for Charles Smith trade, but again, that wasn't a bad trade either.


Both trades, your not losing out on anything.

Sadly T Park....historically he's lacked in the "energy" and "rebounding" departments...but a change of scenery or a chance to play relevant minutes might turn him around.

[T Park]

Also something else someone pointed out, this guy can score in the block.

You put him out there, and he can score as well as he did in Charlotte, with a Ginobili, then youve got two scorers you can SEMI go to now.

When Duncan goes out the offense just goes to shit and its all jumpshots.

Putting another guy that can score in the post, in there while Duncan sits helps.


ALA Malik Rose in 03.


BTW, could this guy be another Malik Rose?

[JPB]

I'm confused...Pop said there would be no trade... Is it possible that he was lying ? It can't be.





He said trades were possible with "peripheral" players. If it's Eric Williams and a draft pick, that qualifies (my opinion of what the deal likely will be). They've said all along they would try to move Williams' contract and buy him out if it didn't work out.

Again, that was irony.

that being said, I'm sure Pop is also working on a bigger trade if there's an opportunity

[T Park]

Sadly T Park....historically he's lacked in the "energy" and "rebounding" departments...but a change of scenery or a chance to play relevant minutes might turn him around.

Once again, show me the good defensive teams, or teams worth a shit hes been around, to prove he can rebound well and bring energy.

A pathetic Clippers team and then the Bobcats.

Your energy would be shit too if you played there.

[LEONARD]

and lets not forget he's an awful free throw shooter.

perfect fit for the Spurs :fro

[T Park]

I'm sure Pop is also working on a bigger trade if there's an opportunity

IMO this is probobly all were gonna get.

No one wants to help this team out.


The backup point will have to be solved through NBDL, or prayer.

[VaSpursFan]

it's a start...if he comes in and throws that 260 around on the boards and can learn the d rotations quickly, that would be great.

[Trainwreck2100]

perfect fit for the Spurs :fro

I believe that was the allusion

[Spurminator]

I only posted the per48 stats as an FYI. I support any move that will give us a contributing body to replace Eric Williams' quickly atrophying one. I'm hesitant to give up a pick, but as long as it's a 2nd rounder I figure we could use one less European project anyway.

FYI also, he averaged 10 rp48 last year, when he played 23 mpg.

[SenorSpur]

As long as this trade doesn't involve Bonner, Butler or a first round pick, it's a good trade.

.....or James White too

[JPB]

If Butler is not in the trade, he definitely knows now that he won't play this season.

[td4mvp21]

So does this report have a lot of validity to it? Or is it just another rumor?

[Kori Ellis]

Just some thoughts ...

1. I initially put him in the original "Reasonable Trades" post because the Spurs have had interest in him for some time. He's a guy that a lot of people think would thrive defensively in a good system.

2. My only hesitancy about him in the past was his drug use/suspensions at Fresno State. But very few people attend Fresno State without any trouble and as far as I know, he hasn't violated the NBA drug policy in his five year NBA career.

3. I think (PURE GUESSING ON MY PART) this deal may be a part of a bigger deal, as I don't think they are going to just stockpile bigs.

4. I had WOAI TV confirm that there is some sort of deal is in the works this afternoon. Spurs did not confirm any details whatsoever.

[T Park]

FYI also, he averaged 10 rp48 last year, when he played 23 mpg.


Sweet.

Id definately give him 23 minutes a game, and whatever Oberto gave.

Start Elson, if hes shit, then play Ely the rest of the minutes.


Damn, is there a SLIGHT SLIGHT, ray of hope now?

Or is everyone gonna continue moping around and sharpen the razors.

[timvp]

Offensively, Ely is close to what Scola would bring you. Scola plays with more energy and has a better jumper, but Ely is the better defender. Both are subpar rebounders.

[T Park]

I had WOAI TV confirm that there is some sort of deal is in the works this afternoon. Spurs did not confirm any details whatsoever.



They never do.

[T Park]

or James White too

:lmao yeah cause hes untouchable.

[ZStomp]

yippee

[T Park]

Offensively, Ely is close to what Scola would bring you. Scola plays with more energy and has a better jumper, but Ely is the better defender. Both are subpar rebounders.

Better defender and brings the same offense?

Bring it on :makemyday

[Budkin]

Sweet.

Id definately give him 23 minutes a game, and whatever Oberto gave.

Start Elson, if hes shit, then play Ely the rest of the minutes.


Damn, is there a SLIGHT SLIGHT, ray of hope now?

Or is everyone gonna continue moping around and sharpen the razors.

No way, I'm definately feeling hopeful. We are not getting blown away by teams. We are either leading or staying right with them and then fading at the end. I've always felt we just needed a little bit of help to get over the hump. This acquisition is a good thing. :clap

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

as bad as he is, EVEN THIS is too good to be true for the SPurs

[T Park]

3. I think (PURE GUESSING ON MY PART) this deal may be a part of a bigger deal, as I don't think they are going to just stockpile bigs.



IF SO.

I would hope the backup point is addressed slightly.

[Kori Ellis]

They never do.

You missed the point. WOAI confirmed with them that a deal is in the works of some sort today. They just didn't give up any details.

[JPB]

IMO this is probobly all were gonna get.

No one wants to help this team out.


The backup point will have to be solved through NBDL, or prayer.

I'm still thinking something might be done with GS or Chicago.

Maybe not directly but in a 3 teams movement

[T Park]

as bad as he is, EVEN THIS is too good to be true for the SPurs




So a guy that last year got consistent minutes and averaged 10 and 6 is bad?

You people's standards for trades are getting too fucking high.

[T Park]

You missed the point. WOAI confirmed with them that a deal is in the works of some sort today. They just didn't give up any details

my bad, I read it quickly and thought it said the spurs like denied anything was in the works.


Damn a deal is going down if the Spurs say there IS something.

Shocking the Spurs would confirm something.


Don Harris is your new best buddy Kori :lol

[AFBlue]

You missed the point. WOAI confirmed with them that a deal is in the works of some sort today. They just didn't give up any details.

Probably because the Spurs are trying to figure out how to include Knight in the deal...OMG that would be great!

wait....cautiously optomistic...cautious...

[Ariel]

No way in hell they give up a first rounder for half a season rental of a player buried deep in the bench of one of the worst teams in the league. Some expiring contract (Williams?), cash considerations and a lowly 2nd rounder sounds feasible. Maybe Butler, considering how poor his work ethic proved, but I'd be shocked if it were more than that. Anyway, if that's the case then he's someone we could use, plus if it works we'd have Bird rights on him much like with Bonner, so that we'd either sign them, or use them as assets (of which we have very few) in a S&T later on. Sounds good.

[Mr. Body]

NJN reportedly couldn't get him without a first round pick (also mentioned upthread). How could this guy possibly be worth any first, especially with an expiring contract? I truly hope they don't drop a decent pick on him. If it's James White, I'm fine with that.

[lessthannick11]

they are still looking to dump brevin knight arent they?

[T Park]

I'm still thinking something might be done with GS or Chicago.

Maybe not directly but in a 3 teams movement

If it was last year id be praying Jannero Pargo would be coming, but oh well.


If its GS, pray that Barry is involved and Jackson is coming.

[AFBlue]

they are still looking to dump brevin knight arent they?

not looking to dump him, but he's on an expiring contract (may bolt for FA) and Felton is CLEARLY the future there.

[T Park]

Maybe Butler, considering how poor his work ethic proved, but I'd be shocked if it were more than that.

Butler's work ethic with the Spurs has been fine.

Where do you get that its bad?

[T Park]

not looking to dump him, but he's on an expiring contract (may bolt for FA) and Felton is CLEARLY the future there.

too lazy to look it up, but how much does ole Brevin make a year?

4 or 5 mill?

[AFBlue]

Butler's work ethic with the Spurs has been fine.

Where do you get that its bad?

He based it off one article that Ludden wrote in which one comment was made that "Butler hadn't shown much", plus the fact that he hasn't played. Flimsy at best....

[SenorSpur]

You missed the point. WOAI confirmed with them that a deal is in the works of some sort today. They just didn't give up any details.

Whoever they bring in, whether it's Ely or whoever, I trust that the Spurs will get a big that can help TD out with interior defense, rebounding and shotblocking.

I don't ever want to see a spare like Jason Kapono establish a career-high in rebounds against us. It seems that several player have established career-highs in rebounding here lately.

[bdictjames]

Hope that deal goes through

[AFBlue]

too lazy to look it up, but how much does ole Brevin make a year?

4 or 5 mill?

Don't quote me, but I think Williams + Butler works for Knight + Ely...not sure of the $$$ figure

[dimsah]

Whoever they bring in, whether it's Ely or whoever, I trust that the Spurs will get a big that can help TD out with interior defense, rebounding and shotblocking.

I don't ever want to see a spare like Jason Kapono establish a career-high in rebounds against us. It seems that several player have established career-highs in rebounding here lately.
Word!

[td4mvp21]

Brevin Knight averages 11 ppg and 7 apg...they want to give that up??

[cheguevara]

how can ppl judge a trade, if we don't know the details???

calm down ppl, be patient

[timvp]

Another thing to note is that Ely has to okay the trade. He signed a one-year contract that will give him bird rights, so he can refuse any trade.

[VaSpursFan]

Whoever they bring in, whether it's Ely or whoever, I trust that the Spurs will get a big that can help TD out with interior defense, rebounding and shotblocking.

I don't ever want to see a spare like Jason Kapono establish a career-high in rebounds against us. It seems that several player have established career-highs in rebounding here lately.

i'm still marveling at how jason freaking kapono with his 2 inch vertical had 11 freaking rebounds against us.

[T Park]

Whoever they bring in, whether it's Ely or whoever, I trust that the Spurs will get a big that can help TD out with interior defense, rebounding and shotblocking.

I don't ever want to see a spare like Jason Kapono establish a career-high in rebounds against us. It seems that several player have established career-highs in rebounding here lately

IMO,

if hes good defensively and can block shots, rebounding will follow.

Playing next to Duncan, where Duncan can attract the other team's better rebounder he might rebound better

[ChumpDumper]

Interesting that the deal is coming about so soon. We may not hear alot about it for awhile; since Charlotte is the only team with any available cap space, several other teams may be trying to jump in on the deal.

[Mr. Body]

Hoopshype has the Charlotte Observer article front page. Don't know whether submitter got it there or they got it from here or the paper.

[AFBlue]

Brevin Knight averages 11 ppg and 7 apg...they want to give that up??

not cheaply, it would probably take one of the prospects (Butler, White) to get it done...but they don't want to let him walk for nothing either....

[td4mvp21]

Another thing to note is that Ely has to okay the trade. He signed a one-year contract that will give him bird rights, so he can refuse any trade.

I'd be surprised if he said no to going to the Spurs.

[JPB]

Could they get Knight in the deal... It's getting more and more exciting

[twincam]

If this does happen,

Good luck to Finley. He simply hasn't been a good fit with San Antonio.
Shooting a terrible 38% for the year. Most of them were WIDE OPEN, UNCONTESTED shots.

[T Park]

Don't quote me, but I think Williams + Butler works for Knight + Ely...not sure of the $$$ figure

Sigh.

Ya know.

Its tough to do, but, if were bitching about wasting Duncan's years not winning, that trade makes you a contender again.

I dont know on giving up on Butler though.


God that would be a gut wrencher being offered that.

[timvp]

Interesting that the deal is coming about so soon. We may not hear alot about it for awhile; since Charlotte is the only team with any available cap space, several other teams may be trying to jump in on the deal.

Think it's going down today.

Or has already gone down.

[Kori Ellis]

Hoopshype has the Charlotte Observer article front page. Don't know whether submitter got it there or they got it from here or the paper.

I'm sure they got it from the Observer, just like I did ...
http://www.woai.com/content/sports/spurs/story.aspx?content_id=cd44dc00-2025-4261-8bf2-e80e8413fee7
:)

[AFBlue]

Could they get Knight in the deal... It's getting more and more exciting

they could...but as of now it looks like a small move

I'm trying not to get my hopes up about Knight being in the deal...

[LEONARD]

If this does happen,

Good luck to Finley. He simply hasn't been a good fit with San Antonio.
Shooting a terrible 38% for the year. Most of them were WIDE OPEN, UNCONTESTED shots.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[VaSpursFan]

Hoopshype has the Charlotte Observer article front page. Don't know whether submitter got it there or they got it from here or the paper.

it's on the charlotteobserver.com web site too. it's legit but it may be part of a bigger deal since the bobcats have a shitload of caproom

[T Park]

Another thing to note is that Ely has to okay the trade. He signed a one-year contract that will give him bird rights, so he can refuse any trade.

His agent may tell him look at what sucking it up and doing it right did for Stephen Jackson and Speedy Claxton.

[Budkin]

Another thing to note is that Ely has to okay the trade. He signed a one-year contract that will give him bird rights, so he can refuse any trade.

He would have to be insane not to want to come here and play next to Timmy.

[Ariel]

Butler's work ethic with the Spurs has been fine.

Where do you get that its bad?
From this Ludden mailbag from the Express News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA012307.webSpursMailbag.en.e1d7f46.html):


What is the deal with Jackie Butler? Why isn't he getting more minutes for everyone to see what he can do?
– Wes, Denton

The Spurs have seen what he can do in practice, and it isn’t much.

He also didn’t help his cause last week in Chicago. Pop put him in for the final minute, the Bulls missed a shot, the rebound bounced right to him and he didn’t move a half-foot to get it. One of Chicago’s players went around him, grabbed the ball and put it back up for a layup.

I know one minute of playing time isn’t going to produce a fair assessment of someone’s skills. But that someone should at least pretend to do something.

If nothing else, Jackie recently received a lesson in inactive-list etiquette.

After Matt Bonner injured his knee and couldn’t walk off the court, Tim and athletic trainer Will Sevening started to carry him. Michael Finley and Eric Williams quickly ran over to take their place. As Finley and Williams started to haul Bonner off, Tim yelled at Jackie – the only player not in uniform – to go help.

No one knew how long it was going to take to get Bonner to the locker room, so what would have happened during that time if Pop wanted to put Finley or Williams in the game?

Jackie just stared blankly at Tim. Tim yelled again while pointing toward Bonner: “Go help!” Jackie nodded and trudged off after the players.

Here’s the problem: He’s 21 years old, he showed up out of shape and his work ethic has been questionable at best. It also didn’t help that he came from a chaotic situation in New York where he probably didn’t have much structure.

This doesn’t mean Jackie won’t ever develop into a rotation-worthy player. I just don’t expect it to happen this season.

[ChumpDumper]

Think it's going down today.

Or has already gone down.Ok, that's just out of character for this team. More deals to come?

[T Park]

If this does happen,

Good luck to Finley. He simply hasn't been a good fit with San Antonio.
Shooting a terrible 38% for the year. Most of them were WIDE OPEN, UNCONTESTED shots.

:wtf X 10000000000000

What would getting a big man have to do with Finley?

[Spurminator]

Brevin Knight averages 11 ppg and 7 apg...they want to give that up??

Jason Hart averaged 5 apg in that offense as a backup. Knight isn't nearly as good as his numbers are, but he's still worth 4 Benos plus 3 Vaughns.

[timvp]

Ok, that's just out of character for this team. More deals to come?

Yes. :smokin

[AFBlue]

Sigh.

Ya know.

Its tough to do, but, if were bitching about wasting Duncan's years not winning, that trade makes you a contender again.

I dont know on giving up on Butler though.


God that would be a gut wrencher being offered that.

It would be tough to give up on Butler so soon, but if the Spurs could get out of this deal with a legit backup PG and a rebounding big w/o sacraficing a single role player...that'd be huge

Plus one thing the Spurs aren't short on is PF/C prospects

[T Park]

Here’s the problem: He’s 21 years old, he showed up out of shape and his work ethic has been questionable at best. It also didn’t help that he came from a chaotic situation in New York where he probably didn’t have much structure.



Thats when he showed up.


Butler's work ethic is fine now...

[T Park]

It would be tough to give up on Butler so soon, but if the Spurs could get out of this deal with a legit backup PG and a rebounding big w/o sacraficing a single role player...that'd be huge

I know but still, Butlers 21.

I mean, its hard to give up on a good talent that young, when he hasn't had a chance too flourish yet.

[T Park]

If there are more deals to come, that would be more suprising than the Ely trade itself.

[ChumpDumper]

With any luck, we'll be giving them Scola so we'll never have to hear about the buyout again.

[MoSpur]

Yes. :smokin

That smiley smokin gives me hope.

:elephant

[AFBlue]

I know but still, Butlers 21.

I mean, its hard to give up on a good talent that young, when he hasn't had a chance too flourish yet.

Of course it's speculation on including Knight in the deal....all we know for know is that Ely is the piece being moved....

[SenorSpur]

NJN reportedly couldn't get him without a first round pick (also mentioned upthread). How could this guy possibly be worth any first, especially with an expiring contract? I truly hope they don't drop a decent pick on him. If it's James White, I'm fine with that.

I don't want the Spurs to part with J. White. Let's see if the guy can contribute next year. It would be a mistake to give up on him now.

IMO, the Spurs still need an athletic swingman of a reasonable age (26-30...i.e. Maggette) that can come in and play NOW.

They address this and they'll have good balance at that spot.

[T Park]

Knight isn't nearly as good as his numbers are, but he's still worth 4 Benos plus 3 Vaughns.


Claxton > Knight > Udrih


Wich puts you BACK into title contention IMO.

But talking about knight is false hope, theres no indication he would be coming from the Cats.

[MoSpur]

What if, just what if, Gerald Wallace somehow is in on this deal. What if!!!!








Nah, it won't happen.

[SenorSpur]

I know but still, Butlers 21.

I mean, its hard to give up on a good talent that young, when he hasn't had a chance too flourish yet.

My point exactly with J. White

[VaSpursFan]

i hope there are more deals to come. time to see if we can get anything of value for the scrubs....er, role players that we have now.

[Kori Ellis]

Expect to hear something confirmed with an hour or so.

[AFBlue]

With any luck, we'll be giving them Scola so we'll never have to hear about the buyout again.

:rollin

I know you don't mean that though....

[ChumpDumper]

My point exactly with J. WhiteWhite is 24.

[T Park]

What if, just what if, Gerald Wallace somehow is in on this deal. What if!!!!








Nah, it won't happen

I wouldn't go into work if he was involved :lol

[AFBlue]

My point exactly with J. White

White wouldn't make the salaries match if you were speculating that Knight would be included in the deal.

[VaSpursFan]

Expect to hear something confirmed with an hour or so.

SWEET :elephant :spin :smokin :drunk :clap :hungry: :downspin:

[JPB]

they could...but as of now it looks like a small move

I'm trying not to get my hopes up about Knight being in the deal...

Ok,

- a solid big : done
- a back-up PG : done

Let's bring the long SF now ! :hungry:

:drunk

[pad300]

T-Park, tell me again why you think this deal is good -
by this years stats, Ely is sucking as a rebounder, and can't get any minutes on Charlotte. He was playing better last year, but compare his stats to those of Butler from last year, particularly in defensive categories that we really want from a big beside TD :
(stats from 82games)
Stat Ely Butler
Rbrating 21.7 27.7
Blockrating 4.5 6.8
EFG% .509 .544

ON/OFF stats
Opp pts/ 100 poss. -2.4 -7.1
Points / 100 poss. -0.2 9.7

How does trading for this guy give us more than what Butler gives us if he plays? While I hope for a trade, I would like to see something other than us expending assets to deeper bury a better prospect...

[angel_luv]

Expect to hear something confirmed with an hour or so.


Will you text and tell me pretty please? :)

[AFBlue]

Expect to hear something confirmed with an hour or so.

What will be confirmed aye "insider"? What do you know Kori? TELL ME!

[timvp]

I don't see any trade that makes sense outside of one that include Williams.

The question is whether the Spurs gave up a first round pick or not. Seeing as that has been the asking price for Ely and the fact that this trade comes before the trade deadline, I think the Spurs gave them a first round pick.

If so, hopefully it's a future first round pick and not one in this year's draft.

[T Park]

How does trading for this guy give us more than what Butler gives us if he plays? While I hope for a trade, I would like to see something other than us expending assets to deeper bury a better prospect

Once again your looking at the bullshit stats of a guy that plays as many minutes as Beno.

Look at his stats when given consistent 23 mins a game.


The come talk to me.


Butler wasn't and isn't playing this year. Get. OVER. IT!!!!!!

[Kori Ellis]

What will be confirmed aye "insider"? What do you know Kori? TELL ME!

It is confirmed that the Spurs are on the telephone nearly completing a deal.

So expect to hear actual confirmation of said deal within an hour or so.

[T Park]

The question is whether the Spurs gave up a first round pick or not. Seeing as that has been the asking price for Ely and the fact that this trade comes before the trade deadline, I think the Spurs gave them a first round pick.

If so, hopefully it's a future first round pick and not one in this year's draft.


If they do trade the first and Ely plays well.

Is that as good as something youd get in this draft where they would be drafting?

QUESTION

[MoSpur]

Could there be another team involved? The Spurs really need to address their backup PG issue. Another thing, I don't have a problem with Fabricio leaving and Ely coming in.

[T Park]

It is confirmed that the Spurs are on the telephone nearly completing a deal.

So expect to hear actual confirmation of said deal within an hour or so.



Bastards better not go Brent Barry trade deadline on em.

[Spurminator]

If so, hopefully it's a future first round pick and not one in this year's draft.

It would make sense though, if they're really trying to cut 2008 costs.

[Mr. Body]

Unless the Spurs think they could resign him this summer, giving a first rounder, even a future one, is senseless.

[T Park]

What does Fabricio make.....

[JPB]

Expect to hear something confirmed with an hour or so.

Kori CIA. :)

[td4mvp21]

If they do trade the first and Ely plays well.

Is that as good as something youd get in this draft where they would be drafting?

QUESTION

Depends on how well, if he helps us regain some defense and rebounding along with putting up points, then yeah it may be worth the pick. But who knows, the upcoming draft is going to have a lot of talent.

[Spurs Brazil]

Johnny Ludden: Spurs closing in on trade with Bobcats
The Spurs are closing in on a deal to acquire Charlotte center/forward Melvin Ely for Eric Williams, a league source said this afternoon.

Spurs and Bobcats officials are on the phone at this time with NBA officials trying to finalize the trade.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/

[Kori Ellis]

My guess is that the deal does not include a first round pick unless it's part of a bigger deal.

That's just a guess.

[T Park]

Unless the Spurs think they could resign him this summer, giving a first rounder, even a future one, is senseless

So if they resign him, then its a good trade? :lol

[T Park]

The Spurs are closing in on a deal to acquire Charlotte center/forward Melvin Ely for Eric Williams, a league source said this afternoon.



:smokin

[Mr. Body]

If they do trade the first and Ely plays well.

Is that as good as something youd get in this draft where they would be drafting?

QUESTION

This year? Absolutely not. They could find a career bench guy like Taylor Hansbrough at that pick, or even Rudy Fernandez, or Morris Almond or Alando Tucker or ... What if a true baller like Acie Law drops?!

I don't like trading future firsts, either. We don't know how deep drafts will be and more important, we don't know how good the Spurs will be. What if we're a lottery team in 2009 and don't have that pick?

[T Park]

Depends on how well, if he helps us regain some defense and rebounding along with putting up points, then yeah it may be worth the pick. But who knows, the upcoming draft is going to have a lot of talent.



If he brings what he brought last year in Charlotte.

Then yes, the first rounder is worth it.

[Mr. Body]

So if they resign him, then its a good trade? :lol

I still don't like it. No first rounders.

[JPB]

No pick involved ?

[SenorSpur]

My guess is that the deal does not include a first round pick unless it's part of a bigger deal.

That's just a guess.

The should offer up the first round pick + Barry + Udrih to the Clippers for Maggette+Daniel Ewing

[timvp]

If they do trade the first and Ely plays well.

Is that as good as something youd get in this draft where they would be drafting?

QUESTION

I wouldn't trade a pick in this year's draft for him. This draft is pretty deep. But the main reason why I wouldn't want to give up any first round pick for him is I think this is a four month rental.

Would the Spurs really re-sign Ely? If he plays well, he'll be out of the Spurs' price range. If he doesn't play well, the Spurs would just re-sign Bonner.

Again, the main reason why the Spurs are doing this is to get under the luxury tax threshold. The fact they are getting back a guy they've wanted for a long time is just good luck.

[T Park]

What if what if what if :lol

[Spurminator]

Out of curiosity, do the Bobcats have any reason to do this move if they DON'T get a pick in the deal? Both players are on the last year of their contracts.

[MoSpur]

I wouldn't go into work if he was involved :lol

:lmao

I would pre-order my Wallace Spurs jersey. I know it won't happen though. Wallace and Knight would solve the Spurs main issues. An athletic 3 and a backup point.

[T Park]

The should offer up the first round pick + Barry + Udrih to the Clippers for Maggette

That deal will happen when pigs fly.

[T Park]

What number does Ely wear.

2? :smokin

[FromWayDowntown]

So if they resign him, then its a good trade? :lol

I can understand optimism, TPark, but you go completely in the tank with every move this team makes and see the rosy upside of everything without any real acknowledgment for the possibility of a downside. You did the same thing right out of the chute with Rasho and Nazr, IIRC.

Tim Duncan does a lot to make guys around him better, but he's not going to turn straw to gold.

I like the idea of making a deal to bring in some fresh and younger blood, particularly if you're able to get something for Eric Williams' expiring contract. But I don't think this is a singular move that makes the Spurs immensely better or that puts them over the top or anything like that. If they're able to parlay this deal into something else -- something that will get them a difference-making player, then it will be exceptional. For now, though, it looks like a solid financial move that might possibly have some basketball upside, or so we hope.

[Mr. Body]

Out of curiosity, do the Bobcats have any reason to do this move if they DON'T get a pick in the deal? Both players are on the last year of their contracts.

I don't think so, unless Ely is a cancer in their locker room. Williams will cost them more, anyway, although the Spurs can pay the difference I think. There has to be at least a 2nd to whet the Bobcats' appetite.

[VaSpursFan]

:lmao

I would pre-order my Wallace Spurs jersey. I know it won't happen though. Wallace and Knight would solve the Spurs main issues. An athletic 3 and a backup point.

I'd piss myslef if that happened. G. Wall is a beast.

[duncan228]

I like that they're doing something. It almost seems like anything is better than nothing at this point in our season. They're acknowledging that there's problems, that sticking with what we have isn't cutting it.
Besides, I was having a bad day and this gives me something to focus on!

[Spurminator]

There is absolutely no reason for the Bobcats to trade Gerald Wallace to the Spurs. Let's go ahead and put that dream to rest.

[bigdog]

wow,i hope this happens. i wonder who we would trade. probably williams,but who knows

[ArgSpursFan]

i hope the bobcats also throw Herrmann in the trade.they are not playing him that much anyways

[Kori Ellis]

wow,i hope this happens. i wonder who we would trade. probably williams,but who knows

It is Williams.

[timvp]

Out of curiosity, do the Bobcats have any reason to do this move if they DON'T get a pick in the deal? Both players are on the last year of their contracts.

The Bobcats will get something more than the one-for-one deal. Ely > Williams. It has to be either a first round pick, a second round pick, rights to an overseas player or cash. And I'd guess it'd be a combination of those three.

If it's Williams for Ely, a second round pick and cash ... then that's a good trade :tu

[td4mvp21]

i hope the bobcats also throw Herrmann in the trade.they are not playing him that much anyways
We don't need another Oberto.

[JPB]

What number does Ely wear.

2? :smokin

21 :)

[AFBlue]

The Bobcats will get something more than the one-for-one deal. Ely > Williams. It has to be either a first round pick, a second round pick, rights to an overseas player or cash. And I'd guess it'd be a combination of those three.

If it's Williams for Ely, a second round pick and cash ... then that's a good trade :tu

Perfect trade if it only involves Ely!

[pad300]

Once again your looking at the bullshit stats of a guy that plays as many minutes as Beno.

Look at his stats when given consistent 23 mins a game.


The come talk to me.


Butler wasn't and isn't playing this year. Get. OVER. IT!!!!!!

T park, I AM TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THOSE STATS. The stats presented were 2005/06 when Butler was with the knicks, getting minutes (averaging 9.3 mpg, 12.3 mpg, 63 games played), and Ely averaged 16 mpg (23 mpg for 57 games played).

How is this guy better than Butler - who's not getting any tick.


From Knickerblogger for 2005/06
NAME POS QUAL G MIN/G PTS/40 eFG FT TS% FT/FG PPR AST-r TO-r REB-r USG-r PER
Melvin Ely FC N 57 23.6 16.6 50.8 66.7 55.0 30 -3.7 11.1 14.6 11.9 18.2 14.4
Jackie Butler FC N 55 13.5 15.8 54.4 75.3 58.7 27 -6.1 7.4 18.5 15.0 17.2 14.9

Better rebounding. Better PER. What does Ely bring to the table that's worth paying for as opposed to playing Butler. Unless there is more to this, trading for Ely is purely lateral.. Which is NOT what we need.

[Kori Ellis]

My guess is that it is Ely for Williams, 2nd rounder and cash.

[Mr. Body]

If it's Williams for Ely, a second round pick and cash ... then that's a good trade :tu

Unless, IMO, that's the Milwaukee pick. Currently at 35 or so, it's going to be a nice pick.

[timvp]

Unless, IMO, that's the Milwaukee pick. Currently at 35 or so, it's going to be a nice pick.

Yeah if it's the Milwaukee pick, I'd have to think about it. Most second round picks don't pan out, but early second round picks are oftentimes more valuable than late first round picks.

[FromWayDowntown]

The Bobcats will get something more than the one-for-one deal. Ely > Williams. It has to be either a first round pick, a second round pick, rights to an overseas player or cash. And I'd guess it'd be a combination of those three.

If it's Williams for Ely, a second round pick and cash ... then that's a good trade :tu

They might not. Back in January, Ely had requested a trade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2724720), citing concerns about playing time. I don't know that the Bobcats feel particularly obligated to move him without getting value back, but I'd think that the trade demand might have diminished his price, to an extent at least.

[JPB]

How will players react to the trade ? Any ideas ?
will some of them fear for their spot until the deadline ?

[FromWayDowntown]

will some of them fear for their spot until the deadline ?

I'd hope so.

[duncan228]

Does anyone know what kind of say Duncan has in these things? If any? I remember in the post game 7 Finals interview that a reporter joked that Duncan wasn't the GM and Duncan responded "not officially" or something close to that.
Does he have any say? If it was a player he didn't want to play with could he kill it before it ever went anywhere out of closed doors?
Just curious.

[VaSpursFan]

How will players react to the trade ? Any ideas ?
will some of them fear for their spot until the deadline ?

the vets will understand the biz aspect of it. beno will crawl further into his shell while cuddling his man purse....or murse :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

Does anyone know what kind of say Duncan has in these things? If any? I remember in the post game 7 Finals interview that a reporter joked that Duncan wasn't the GM and Duncan responded "not officially" or something close to that.
Does he have any say? If it was a player he didn't want to play with could he kill it before it ever went anywhere out of closed doors?
Just curious.

Few things get done without Timmy's approval, I suspect. Although, the reports are that Timmy wanted the Spurs to draft Josh Howard and that didn't happen.

[AFBlue]

Does anyone know what kind of say Duncan has in these things? If any? I remember in the post game 7 Finals interview that a reporter joked that Duncan wasn't the GM and Duncan responded "not officially" or something close to that.
Does he have any say? If it was a player he didn't want to play with could he kill it before it ever went anywhere out of closed doors?
Just curious.

Think LJ said earlier that the Spurs FO had been after this guy for a while...so they probably didn't get input from Timmy

[VaSpursFan]

Does anyone know what kind of say Duncan has in these things? If any? I remember in the post game 7 Finals interview that a reporter joked that Duncan wasn't the GM and Duncan responded "not officially" or something close to that.
Does he have any say? If it was a player he didn't want to play with could he kill it before it ever went anywhere out of closed doors?
Just curious.

if TD had any "real" say, josh howard would be a spur.

[Bob Lanier]

It's great to have another post-up scorer on my team for the first time in my career as a Spur. Now management can concentrate on picking up a decent point guard so that Tony can come off the bench along with Manu and me.

[AFBlue]

the vets will understand the biz aspect of it. beno will crawl further into his shell while cuddling his man purse....or murse :lol

Unless he's part of a bigger trade that sends him to Charlotte with Butler for Ely and Knight....

Ok, sorry I went off on a tangent again about the possibilities...man that'd be nice.

[timvp]

They might not. Back in January, Ely had requested a trade (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2724720), citing concerns about playing time. I don't know that the Bobcats feel particularly obligated to move him without getting value back, but I'd think that the trade demand might have diminished his price, to an extent at least.

I'd be shocked for Williams for Ely straight up. Perhaps if it was a last second deal around the trade deadline, but it's too early for that trade to make sense for Charlotte.

Only way it makes even a little bit of sense for Charlotte is if the Spurs give them cash and Williams' agent already has a buyout waiting.

[JPB]

Pop : "Ok Tim, we're gonna sign Ely !"
Tim : "Who's Ely "

[Spurs Brazil]

Let's put Ely on the starting lineup today

Oberto and Elson sucks

[AFBlue]

Barring a last-minute snag with the league office, the Charlotte Bobcats' Melvin Ely is headed to the San Antonio Spurs, in return for Eric Williams, a 2009 second-round pick and cash compensation.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/16689620.htm

[VaSpursFan]

Barring a last-minute snag with the league office, the Charlotte Bobcats' Melvin Ely is headed to the San Antonio Spurs, in return for Eric Williams, a 2009 second-round pick and cash compensation.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/16689620.htm

[Mr. Body]

I'd be shocked for Williams for Ely straight up. Perhaps if it was a last second deal around the trade deadline, but it's too early for that trade to make sense for Charlotte.

Only way it makes even a little bit of sense for Charlotte is if the Spurs give them cash and Williams' agent already has a buyout waiting.

Or it's as a personal disfavor to the Nets, who wanted Ely. And who, as it happens, are playing the Spurs tonight. Charlotte obviously is trading Williams for Ely straight up as a diss to that team. :blah

[AFBlue]

Quick VA, but not quick enough! :lol

[Mr. Body]

Barring a last-minute snag with the league office, the Charlotte Bobcats' Melvin Ely is headed to the San Antonio Spurs, in return for Eric Williams, a 2009 second-round pick and cash compensation.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/16689620.htm

Sounds good. Resign Ely in the off-season? Sounds excellent.

Thank God it's not a first.

[Kori Ellis]

It's second round pick in 2009, Williams and cash.

[timvp]

Barring a last-minute snag with the league office, the Charlotte Bobcats' Melvin Ely is headed to the San Antonio Spurs, in return for Eric Williams, a 2009 second-round pick and cash compensation.

Sweet.

:fro

[Buddy Holly]

It's being reported the deal may be Beno+Williams+Cash and Picks for Ely and May or Knight.

[Mr. Body]

Just realized, we have two 2nd rounders in 2009, one via the Raptors. So even nicer.

[Bruno]

It should be Hornets 09 second round pick.

[JPB]

"Ely has a gift for low-post scoring, but often fell short of coach Bernie Bickerstaff's expectations as a rebounder and defender."

Ouch !

[MoSpur]

Wow. This is a good trade. Williams wasn't doing much due to no playing time.

[Kori Ellis]

http://www.woai.com/content/sports/spurs/story.aspx?content_id=cd44dc00-2025-4261-8bf2-e80e8413fee7

By Kori Ellis

The San Antonio Spurs have confirmed to News 4 WOAI they have traded Eric Williams and a second round pick in the 2009 draft for Melvin Ely of the Charlotte Bobcats.

The move will give the Spurs about a $1 million worth of tax relief for this season, and a player they hope can contribute to a playoff run.

The 6-foot-10 Ely is in his fifth year in the NBA, out of Fresno State. He has averaged 6.3 points and 3.6 rebounds since coming into the league.

[ArgSpursFan]

So,I wasn´t that wrong after all,asking and suggesting that the spurs needed a buckup SF, for a month now, while everybody was bitching about a lack of buckup of PG.I hope it gets done.
Manu and barry will take care of the Point while TP is getting a rest. :smokin

[AFBlue]

It's being reported the deal may be Beno+Williams+Cash and Picks for Ely and May or Knight.

where is this being reported?!?

[VaSpursFan]

Quick VA, but not quick enough! :lol
great minds and rabid spurs fans think alike :lol :downspin:

[Kori Ellis]

So,I wasn´t that wrong after all,asking and suggesting the spurs needed a buckup SF for a month now,while everybody was bitching about a lack of buckup of PG.I hope it gets done.
Manu and barry will take care of the Point while TP is getting a rest. :smokin

He's a PF/C.

[td4mvp21]

It's being reported the deal may be Beno+Williams+Cash and Picks for Ely and May or Knight.

:wtf Did you not read the posts above?

[timvp]

It's being reported the deal may be Beno+Williams+Cash and Picks for Ely and May or Knight.

Link? :lmao

Where'd you get that? No way in hell the Spurs get May in the deal and it doesn't work money-wise with Knight.

[Kori Ellis]

http://www.woai.com/content/sports/spurs/story.aspx?content_id=cd44dc00-2025-4261-8bf2-e80e8413fee7

By Kori Ellis

The San Antonio Spurs have confirmed to News 4 WOAI they have traded Eric Williams and a second round pick in the 2009 draft for Melvin Ely of the Charlotte Bobcats.

The move will give the Spurs about a $1 million worth of tax relief for this season, and a player they hope can contribute to a playoff run.

The 6-foot-10 Ely is in his fifth year in the NBA, out of Fresno State. He has averaged 6.3 points and 3.6 rebounds since coming into the league.

[Buddy Holly]

where is this being reported?!?

NY1 Sports radio.

[Spurminator]

It's being reported the deal may be Beno+Williams+Cash and Picks for Ely and May or Knight.

No it isn't.

[VaSpursFan]

competent big - check...next backup PG

[Mr. Body]

Elie/Ely connection = Championship assured.

[JPB]

Bobcats, Spurs finalizing Ely trade
RICK BONNELL
[email protected]

Barring a last-minute snag with the league office, the Charlotte Bobcats' Melvin Ely is headed to the San Antonio Spurs, in return for Eric Williams, a 2009 second-round pick and cash compensation.

The Bobcats and Spurs were in a conference call with league officials Tuesday afternoon to finalize the deal. Ely, a 6-9 power forward, requested a trade earlier this season in search of playing time. He's playing on a one-season, $3.3 million contract.

Williams, 6-foot-8, can play either forward spot and is known primarily for his defense. However, he's played little for the Spurs, and his reputation declined in Toronto, where he moped after being traded from the New Jersey Nets.

Williams is making about $4.3 million this season on a contract that expires in July. The Spurs probably will pay the Bobcats the difference in the two contracts. Since the Bobcats are well under the salary cap, they can absorb the additional salary.

The Bobcats extended Ely the one-year qualifying offer with an eye to dealing him. They are loaded with big men, and he was playing behind Emeka Okafor, Sean May, Primoz Brezec and Jake Voskuhl most of this season.

Ely has a gift for low-post scoring, but often fell short of coach Bernie Bickerstaff's expectations as a rebounder and defender.

[Spurminator]

I can't believe we gave up CASH!!!

WTF...

[Spurs Brazil]

Good trade

[MoSpur]

It's being reported the deal may be Beno+Williams+Cash and Picks for Ely and May or Knight.

Where did you hear that from?

[Kori Ellis]

The Spurs have confirmed it's done.

http://www.woai.com/content/sports/spurs/story.aspx?content_id=cd44dc00-2025-4261-8bf2-e80e8413fee7

[Buddy Holly]

No it isn't.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=561108&postcount=6

[Spurs Brazil]

Ely has a gift for low-post scoring, but often fell short of coach Bernie Bickerstaff's expectations as a rebounder and defender.

Great...

[Pop OFits]

If the Spurs had to give up anything, the only thing better than a 2nd rounder in '09 would have been the rights to Sergei Karaulov.

Ely is a physical player. He brings some grit with his game.

[ChumpDumper]

I can't believe we gave up CASH!!!

WTF...You have to spend money to save money.

[angel_luv]

http://www.woai.com/content/sports/spurs/story.aspx?content_id=cd44dc00-2025-4261-8bf2-e80e8413fee7

By Kori Ellis

The San Antonio Spurs have confirmed to News 4 WOAI they have traded Eric Williams and a second round pick in the 2009 draft for Melvin Ely of the Charlotte Bobcats.

The move will give the Spurs about a $1 million worth of tax relief for this season, and a player they hope can contribute to a playoff run.

The 6-foot-10 Ely is in his fifth year in the NBA, out of Fresno State. He has averaged 6.3 points and 3.6 rebounds since coming into the league.

Well, welcome Ely. :)

Bye Williams. :(

[AFBlue]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=561108&postcount=6

Don't get me wrong...that'd be nice, but...

The articles seem a bit more concrete.

[timvp]

Nice trade by the Spurs. Didn't give up much of anything. Ely is a big who almost averaged 10 points a game last year despite playing less than 24 minutes a contest. He can also block shots.

It also gets them under the luxury tax threshold, so we won't see any panic trades right before the deadline. Peter Holt goes to sleep tonight an even richer man.

Hopefully Ely plays well enough to earn minutes.

Props.

:hat