They caught the mother...

[Shelly]

who buried her kids under her house. Terrible!

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=440007f6-14b1-42de-86b6-5bbd9038d8b7&rss=68

A city-wide manhunt came to an end early Saturday morning when a missing mother of two and her boyfriend were arrested. 19-year-old Valerie Lopez and her boyfriend Jerry Salazar were found in the I-35 and Zarzamora area. They’d been on the run since Wednesday.
Today, police told News 4 WOAI’S Matari Jones that Lopez confessed to murdering one of her children, 18-month-old Sariyah Garcia. According to an arrest affidavit, Lopez told police, “She was under a lot of stress. The child (Sariyah) wouldn’t stop crying. She hit her several times on the head and body until she was unresponsive.”

Police say Lopez claims the death of her second child, Sebastian Lopez, was an accident.

“She unintentionally rolled on the child,” said SAPD Chief Bill McManus.

Both children were found dead and buried underneath a house on West Winnipeg earlier this week. Their bodies were so badly decomposed the Bexar County Medical Examiner’s Office said additional tests are necessary to determine the causes of deaths. Those results are expected to be released at a later date.

Investigators say that Lopez admitted she and Salazar continued to live in the home while her children’s bodies rotted beneath iit.

At this time, Lopez is charged with Capital Murder. Her bond was set at $10 million. That is the highest bond ever set by a Magistrate Judge. Salazar is being held on a $1 million bond on a driver’s license charge. Police are working to build a case against him in connection with the children.

Bexar County District Attorney Susan Reed says she plans to seek the death penalty against Lopez.

[E20]

They should just kill the bitch. If you can't take care of fucking baby, then wear a fucking condom or don't have sex at all.

[Opinionater]

IMHO, the death penalty is too good for these two.

[E20]

They need to make that bitch pee out a cactus.

Make her drink diarrhea vomited out of a fucking buffalo's penis.

[atxrocker]

this story makes me ill.

[MannyIsGod]

They need to make that bitch pee out a cactus.

Make her drink diarrhea vomited out of a fucking buffalo's penis.Its no wonder in a society where people have thoughts like these that these situations arise.

[mrsmaalox]

I am sooooooooo pissed off. So far this week I have seen a grandmother, a great grandmother, and 2 aunts on tv all saying they knew she wasn't capable of taking care of the kids and suspected the little girl was being abused; so what did they do? NOTHING!!!!!!!! They all waited around for CPS to do something. They are all guilty to some degree. :madrun

[Spurfect]

ok so she allegedly killed her daughter on Christmas Eve. Now how in the hell did it go unnoticed that the child wasn't around for 2 months? wtf??

[1369]

Its no wonder in a society where people have thoughts like these that these situations arise.

Yep, it is society that made her do it.

Not her fault, she's just misunderstood.

[Zombie]

Kill a child be ready to suffer a much worse death than what you performed. That is what needs to be done. This bullshit of post partum depression is a joke. you knew you were having a kid if you can't handle it, one word, ADOPTION!

[E20]

Its no wonder in a society where people have thoughts like these that these situations arise.
I don't consider these bad thoughts, I consider it a good imagination.

Bottom line is society didn't tell the bitch to go fuck the next person she saw and society didn't tell her to kill the baby when the baby started to cry.

That statement is flawed so much that I wanna go punch myself in the face for reading it, because it's free from all logic.

That's right logic is for pussies.

[Fillmoe]

they should put this bitch in the same jail as the rapists and serial killers of the world......

[Fillmoe]

better yet i hope they put this bitch in the same prison as male lifers

[Pugglekicker_21]

Some things are just go unoticed. They probaly lied and said the kids were somewhere else. She had her first child when she was 13. 13. Thats not even old enough to drive, not even old enough for the permit, and she had a kid, something millions of older, more responsible women across the world dont have. What a waste of precious young lives. Luckily her first two kids were taken by CPS, and are now adopted and safe. My heart goes out to the family, but you're right mrsmaaalox, they should have done something. I can only imagine how the surviving kids will have this explained to them. manny is right. with the attitude that people have today, you shouldnt be shocked at this kind of shit. Bless their little souls. Man, the death penalty is just right for these fuckers, I hope they burn in hell. Death is too good for them. "Accidently rolled over him?" WIth what, a fucking car? Crazy bitch.

sigh.

How can some people say the death penalty is wrong? Its reserved for people like this, who never should have been given life in the first place. When killers get spared, its horrible for the family because their loved one is gone forever from this world, and they are packed six feet under in freshly dugged dirt. Meanwhile, at a maximum security prison, the killer sits, confined but, and this is the important thing, alive. Everyday they wake up and breath the air around them, they eat, they can converse with loved ones, and they basically live their life. You see? Death is the worst, or the best , for people. I only hope they have to electrocute, inject, or do whatever to rid the Earth of that sack of shit, twice, afte the first time doesnt quite work.

I am spent. Vaya con Dios. Go with God.

[Zombie]

they should put this bitch in the same jail as the rapists and serial killers of the world......
Why put her in a cell at all? If she is found guilty, put a bullet in her head!

[Fillmoe]

Why put her in a cell at all? If she is found guilty, put a bullet in her head!


theres no pain and suffering with a bullet to the head...... its quick death

[Pugglekicker_21]

Quick death is too good for this bitch.

[Zombie]

theres no pain and suffering with a bullet to the head...... its quick death
So feed the bitch and give her cable TV in her cell?
Dude, prison can't be as bad as most of us think of it. They have TV 3 square meals a day and a bed to sleep in. that could be considered a luxury to some people.
You commit murder, you should suffer a MUCH worse death than what you did. One appeal and thats it. Fuck all this crap that keeps actual murders on death row for 20 years.


NOw no one better come back with "it costs more to execute a inmate than it does to house them"! that is total Bullshit.

[jaespur21]

i feel bad for those kids

yeah man when i was in the drunk tank, other inmates were actually looking forward to going upstairs and 2 a cell.... for the same reasons you stated. you get a bed, tv, play cards with friends that he knew were up there. Weird fucking shit i just wanted to get out and he was lookin forward to going to a cell.

[Pugglekicker_21]

Maybe in some prisons. Definetly not at the one she's going to.

[Spurfect]

So feed the bitch and give her cable TV in her cell?
Dude, prison can't be as bad as most of us think of it. They have TV 3 square meals a day and a bed to sleep in. that could be considered a luxury to some people.
You commit murder, you should suffer a MUCH worse death than what you did. One appeal and thats it. Fuck all this crap that keeps actual murders on death row for 20 years.


NOw no one better come back with "it costs more to execute a inmate than it does to house them"! that is total Bullshit.

even if it DOES cost more.. who gives a shit, we can foot the bill...

[Pugglekicker_21]

Anything to rid the Earth of bastards like this.

[desflood]

Its no wonder in a society where people have thoughts like these that these situations arise.
What, do you think a woman who killed her own kid because it cried deserves a better fate than that? :lol

[Zombie]

even if it DOES cost more.. who gives a shit, we can foot the bill...
Hey stupid, will you give me $20 for a 10 dollar bill? I sure the hell hope you say "no"!

[T Park]

Go ahead and just shove her off the top of the cliff overlooking Fiesta Texas.

The go ahead and slap and beat her till shes unresponsive.

eye for a fucking eye.

[T Park]

even if it DOES cost more.. who gives a shit, we can foot the bill...

speak for yourself.

I prefer my tax dollars be spent on better things.

[1369]

I have a box of .45 rounds they can have.

[Melmart1]

If she is given death penalty, then your tax dollars will be going to countless appeals rather that would cost more in the long run than just leaving her in prison for life.

Besides, in prison people who fuck with kids are never treated well. I would be surprised if she lasted five years. Remember, there is a BIG difference between county jail and a penitentiary.

[E20]

If she is given death penalty, then your tax dollars will be going to countless appeals rather that would cost more in the long run than just leaving her in prison for life.

Besides, in prison people who fuck with kids are never treated well. I would be surprised if she lasted five years. Remember, there is a BIG difference between county jail and a penitentiary.
I usually try to watch Lock Up, on MSNBC, and people who get harrased by other inmates can usually file for a complaint and they get sent to stay with people who have done the same crime as them or they're just isolated and since it's a woman, she'll have a better chance of getting that if she is harrased. I don't know if it's like that for every jail and my expertise is just solely based on MSNBC, so I maybe wrong.

[Melmart1]

I usually try to watch Lock Up, on MSNBC, and people who get harrased by other inmates can usually file for a complaint and they get sent to stay with people who have done the same crime as them or they're just isolated and since it's a woman, she'll have a better chance of getting that if she is harrased. I don't know if it's like that for every jail and my expertise is just solely based on MSNBC, so I maybe wrong.
So... she is going to be sent to stay with other prisoners who killed their children and let their bodies rot under their house?

And she can still be harassed or even murdered in isolation. I don't think people understand how a penitentiary works compared to just 'jail'.

[Spurfect]

speak for yourself.

I prefer my tax dollars be spent on better things.

like keeping her alive and with a hot meal every morning? ok!

[exstatic]

I don't think it would be cruel or unusual punishment to beat both the mother and BF to death with blows to the body and head until they are unresponsive.

[E20]

So... she is going to be sent to stay with other prisoners who killed their children and let their bodies rot under their house?

And she can still be harassed or even murdered in isolation. I don't think people understand how a penitentiary works compared to just 'jail'.

It's more like people of a specific race, orientation, crime, are lumped together for safety reasons or if that still doesn't work, the inmate is sent to another part of the jail where only inmates who don't want to be in the presence of all the violence, gang related and other stuff that happens in general population and/or given murder threats or beatdowns.

Also, she is a woman, so is she gonna be in the pen. with just women or both? I've never heard of killings/shanks/drug killings/gang killings/money laundering in an all women pen. Maybe it goes unnoticed, but I'm kinda sure that women don't operate the same way as men in the pen., but that's just me.

[KEDA]

Go ahead and just shove her off the top of the cliff overlooking Fiesta Texas.

The go ahead and slap and beat her till shes unresponsive.

eye for a fucking eye.


I have to agree with T Park on this one

eye for and eye

[Melmart1]

It's more like people of a specific race, orientation, crime, are lumped together for safety reasons or if that still doesn't work, the inmate is sent to another part of the jail where only inmates who don't want to be in the presence of all the violence, gang related and other stuff that happens in general population and/or given murder threats or beatdowns.

Also, she is a woman, so is she gonna be in the pen. with just women or both? I've never heard of killings/shanks/drug killings/gang killings/money laundering in an all women pen. Maybe it goes unnoticed, but I'm kinda sure that women don't operate the same way as men in the pen., but that's just me.
There are separate prisons for females. A penitentiary is for people convicted of serious crimes--so yes, female drug dealers, murderers, kidnappers, etc are all lumped together.

And if you don't think that women doing hard time or life sentences are just as manipulative, violent and vengeful as their male counterparts, you are kidding yourself.

[Trainwreck2100]

Salazar is being held on a $1 million bond on a driver’s license charge. Police are working to build a case against him in connection with the children.

:lol

He's got a million dollar bond for an expired license. he could be halfway to Mexico if not for that.

Now all they gotta do is catch those fuckers that killed the EB games store emoloyee

[mrsmaalox]

But she can probably get off on some insanity deal, as there is something obviously wrong with her. And then we can pay for her to live out her life in some hospital; and sinceshe's only 19,she could easily go another 70 yrs

[spurschick]

Whatever happens, there is a special place in hell for her.

[sabar]

Just let her go, then no one loses tax dollars!
She'll be judged in whatever afterlife exists.

[Sonia_TX]

I was friends (in high school) with the woman that drowned her child a month ago in Atascosa. It's just a sad situation...and this one is even worse. I can't even imagine what was going on w/them during those times. :(

[MannyIsGod]

Yep, it is society that made her do it.

Not her fault, she's just misunderstood.I made no statement or asserstion as to anything having to do with her fault, so don't misconstrue my words in that manner. What I said very plainly was that I am not suprised that in a society where people make statements as are being made in this thread that situations like the above occur. When people become so damn desensitized that they can make these utterly horrible wishes of death on anyone then its a damn good measuring stick on the society's acceptence of gross violence.

The woman in question obviously bears responsibility for what happened herself - but that doesn't mean there aren't signs the worst parts of our society in this thread outside of her.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't consider these bad thoughts, I consider it a good imagination.

Bottom line is society didn't tell the bitch to go fuck the next person she saw and society didn't tell her to kill the baby when the baby started to cry.

That statement is flawed so much that I wanna go punch myself in the face for reading it, because it's free from all logic.

That's right logic is for pussies.Ok?

[MannyIsGod]

What, do you think a woman who killed her own kid because it cried deserves a better fate than that? :lolBetter fate than what? When did I say anything about who was deserving? Do you people have so much trouble reading that you can't follow a very simple sentence without drawing your predisposed perceptions into it?

See what I said 2 posts above.

[sabar]

You know Manny is 100% right. The people desensatized to this violence, the ones that wish horrible death as "justice", these are the people that lose their temper and impulsively injure or kill someone.

Why is it bad to torture someone to death that is innocent but then you can turn around and do it in the name of justice? That's not justice, that's revenge, and revenge can never justify the means without also justifying the crime for which it was done in retribution for.

[desflood]

Better fate than what? When did I say anything about who was deserving? Do you people have so much trouble reading that you can't follow a very simple sentence without drawing your predisposed perceptions into it?

See what I said 2 posts above.
I got your point, I just don't happen to agree. All the nasty, bloody, violent thoughts in the world mean nothing if they are not acted upon. And no, I don't think "it's only a matter of time before they are."

[desflood]

Why is it bad to torture someone to death that is innocent but then you can turn around and do it in the name of justice? That's not justice, that's revenge.
No, it's punishment.

[2Blonde]

And if you don't think that women doing hard time or life sentences are just as manipulative, violent and vengeful as their male counterparts, you are kidding yourself.

Just look at any group of females in middle or high school and you'll see manipulation, violence and vengeance that could put male prisoners to shame. :lol

[Faccia di Angelo]

This was so sad. I work a block away from where this happened and couldn't believe what was done to those poor kids. I thought it was too unreal and my coworkers were overexaggerating. It just makes me sick. I see signs of abuse and neglect everyday and its all I can do to keep my composure sometimes when I'm working with my young kids. I don't know how parents get away with some of the stuff I see.

To my understanding the family was trying to do something and get those kids away but they were putting their trust alot in CPS. Which I have seen drop the ball alot. They are seriously not staffed enough and its sad. I pray for those two children. Breaks my heart.

[MannyIsGod]

I got your point, I just don't happen to agree. All the nasty, bloody, violent thoughts in the world mean nothing if they are not acted upon. And no, I don't think "it's only a matter of time before they are."So you believe a society where these thoughts are more prevelant is not more likely to be far more violent than one where those thoughts are far less common?

Because that makes complete sense - and by complete I mean none.

And if you understood what my point was, then why did you post a complete red herring?

[E20]

Manny, you just love to play fucking Devil's advocate don't you. On every single topic, from Tylenol against Asprin to this.

People can think whatever they want, there's no thought police to come and bust you, and if it makes you feel better for criticizing on other ways of imaginative thinking, then go do it, because it's a free country.


So you believe a society where these thoughts are more prevelant is not more likely to be far more violent than one where those thoughts are far less common?

How are people induced to think this way? You have to look at what the certain society has to offer -- basically the media. America has violent media, so does Europe and Japan etc, but I'm pretty sure they have different homocide rates and I think USA ranks number 1 in that catogery I'm not 100% sure. People can't express there rage in public, otherwise they'd look stupid and they can't say whatever thing comes into there mind, so the best place is on the internet, and a place like this one where you can say almost anything.


And if you don't think that women doing hard time or life sentences are just as manipulative, violent and vengeful as their male counterparts, you are kidding yourself.[/U]
Well, I'm sure, no cross that, there are way more men serving hard time sentences for murder, drug, grand theft etc. and I'm pretty sure that a majority of people anywhere have a hard time believing that women launder drugs or money and do hire killings in jail, in fact, I've never heard of a case ever in my 18 years of life of a serious drug related or serial killer that is a woman or have heard of jail crimes done by women.

[desflood]

So you believe a society where these thoughts are more prevelant is not more likely to be far more violent than one where those thoughts are far less common?

And if you understood what my point was, then why did you post a complete red herring?
'Cause I just like to fuck with you :p:

And once again, no: The thoughts make no difference. It's the society like ours that is less likely to punish the violent actions themselves that makes the difference.

[Melmart1]

Well, I'm sure, no cross that, there are way more men serving hard time sentences for murder, drug, grand theft etc. and I'm pretty sure that a majority of people anywhere have a hard time believing that women launder drugs or money and do hire killings in jail, in fact, I've never heard of a case ever in my 18 years of life of a serious drug related or serial killer that is a woman or have heard of jail crimes done by women.
Velma Barfield -- 4 to 7 victims, all people she knew.
Marie Becker -- 12 victims, all people she knew.
Marie Besnard -- 13 victims, all people she knew.
Elfriede Blauensteiner -- 5+ victims, all people she knew.
Judy Buenoano -- 3 victims, all people she knew.
Mary Ann Cotton -- 17+ victims, all people she knew.
Faye Copeland -- 5 victims, all people she knew.
Daisy De Melker -- 3 victims, all people she knew.
Nannie Hazel Doss -- 10 victims, all people she knew.
Ellen Etheridge -- 4 victims, all people she knew.
Christine Falling -- 6 victims, all people she knew.
Constance Fisher -- 6 victims, all people she knew.
Debbie Fornuto -- 6 victims, all people she knew.
Tillie Gbrurek -- 5 victims, all people she knew.
Janie Lou Gibbs -- 5 victims, all people she knew.
Amy Gilligan -- 9 victims, all people she knew.
Caroline Grills -- 4 victims, all people she knew.
Anna Marie Hahn -- 5 to 7 victims, all people she knew.
Audrey Marie Hilley -- 3 to 4 victims, all people she knew.
Waneta Hoyt -- 5 victims, all people she knew.
Helene Jegado -- 23+ victims, most or all people she knew.
Martha Ann Johnson -- 4 victims, all people she knew.
Christa Lehman -- 4 victims, all people she knew. Diana Lumbrera -- 6 victims, all people she knew.
Anjette Lyles -- 4 victims, all people she knew.
Rhonda Belle Martin -- 6 to 8 victims, all people she knew.
Virginia McGinnis -- 4 victims, all people she knew.
Blanche Taylor Moore -- 5 victims, all people she knew.
Marie Noe -- 8 victims, all people she knew.
Dorothea Puente -- 9 to 25 victims, most or all people she knew.
Vera Renczi -- 35 victims, all people she knew.
Martha Rendell -- 3 victims, all people she knew.
Lydia Shermman -- 10+ victims, all people she knew.
Marybeth Tinning -- 8 victims, all people she knew.
Lydia Trueblood -- 6 victims, all people she knew.
Debra Sue Tuggle -- 4 victims, all people she knew.
Lise Jane Turner -- 3+ victims, all people she knew.
Maria Velten -- 5 victims, all people she knew.
Louise Vermilyea -- 10 victims, all people she knew.
Jeanne Weber -- 10+ victims, all people she knew.
Rosemary and Fred West -- 10 to 18 victims, many people they knew.
Martha Wise -- 3 victims, all people she knew.
Martha Woods -- 7 victims, many people she knew.
Anna Zwanziger -- 3+ victims, all people she knew.

And this is just women who mostly preyed upon people they knew.

Statistically, females usually account for about 15% of all violent crime and 28% of all property crime. However, there has been about a 140% increase in the number of crimes committed by women since 1970, and the upward trend is steady.
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect11.htm

Don't kid yourself. You ain't seen shit in your 18 years, apparently. True, women make up only 8% of all US serial killers, but American women make up 90% of female killers the world over. Think about that. You seem to have a very virginal outlook on how women behave themselves, which is cute but not very realistic. Not knocking on you or anything, just opening your eyes a bit.

[Melmart1]

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[Kori Ellis]

.

Good point, Mel.

[E20]

Yeah, I'd still take you in fight though.

[midgetonadonkey]

Just because people have a violent imagination doesn't mean they will act on them. I have some of the most violent thoughts of anyone I know but I would never act on them. I think it's just imagination. There is a difference between imagination and being a crazy fuck like that bitch that killed her kids.

[Melmart1]

Good point, Mel.
hahhaa, i meant to go back and edit my post and ended up quoting instead.

[Melmart1]

Yeah, I'd still take you in fight though.
OK, internet tough guy :rolleyes

What does you having to posture like you could take me in a fight have anything to do with the fact that in your 18 very educated and long years of life, you had never heard of a female serial killer when in fact many exist?

[E20]

OK, internet tough guy :rolleyes

What does you having to posture like you could take me in a fight have anything to do with the fact that in your 18 very educated and long years of life, you had never heard of a female serial killer when in fact many exist?
Did you see those on the news or the newspaper? Or did you find them online? I've never seen cases in the news, the worst I've seen is a women kidnapping a child or throwing her own child in a garbage can. Rarely do I see a news report or a paper clipping of 'Women kills'. Or did you find them online? I don't normally google: 'Criminals who are women or 'Women serial killers'

Oh yeah and a point you'll never get through is that or try to argue is:

Female crimes and jails >>>> Male crime and jails

And if you argue that I won't read it, because my brain doesn't allow me to read an arguement that can never ever be won.

Plus it was a joke, nobody can take internet sarcasm. Holy fu**** fu**

[SequSpur]

these people who did this to these children are bad. very bad... for argument's sake if they did what they say they did, then I think a flaming hot pole should be shoved between their rib cage while they are awake.

How does that sound?

[Clandestino]

how about just put them in a room with manny. talking with him would make them want to kill themselves.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

how about just put them in a room with manny. talking with him would make them want to kill themselves.
:lol

[MannyIsGod]

'Cause I just like to fuck with you :p:

And once again, no: The thoughts make no difference. It's the society like ours that is less likely to punish the violent actions themselves that makes the difference.Thoughts are the precursur to actions. You think about something before you do it in all cases other than instant relexive actions, and thats not to say that thoughts can't help shape and develop peoples reflexive reactions. You're statements make no sense.

How on earth would a society with so many violent thoughts not be more inclined to be more violent? I'd love to see you find one sociologist agree with that statment.

[MannyIsGod]

Manny, you just love to play fucking Devil's advocate don't you. On every single topic, from Tylenol against Asprin to this.

People can think whatever they want, there's no thought police to come and bust you, and if it makes you feel better for criticizing on other ways of imaginative thinking, then go do it, because it's a free country.

Oh I'm so happy you said that. I think its people like you who want to make themselves feel better when they make posts like you did. Its a way of showing how different you are from the person who committed the crime. Its an expression of how far above them you are and how you plan on showing it.

So who is it that is trying to make themselves feel better?



How are people induced to think this way? You have to look at what the certain society has to offer -- basically the media. America has violent media, so does Europe and Japan etc, but I'm pretty sure they have different homocide rates and I think USA ranks number 1 in that catogery I'm not 100% sure. People can't express there rage in public, otherwise they'd look stupid and they can't say whatever thing comes into there mind, so the best place is on the internet, and a place like this one where you can say almost anything.
Gee - thanks for making my point with your first statment. I couldn't have pointed it out any better myself. I never said your statement was a cause - I said it was a symptom.

[E20]

Oh I'm so happy you said that. I think its people like you who want to make themselves feel better when they make posts like you did. Its a way of showing how different you are from the person who committed the crime. Its an expression of how far above them you are and how you plan on showing it.

So who is it that is trying to make themselves feel better?

Gee - thanks for making my point with your first statment. I couldn't have pointed it out any better myself. I never said your statement was a cause - I said it was a symptom.
I'm just gonna say: WTF

That didn't make any sense at all, so I'm gonna ask you to elaborate.

Who's trying to feel better or who is trying to make fun of a crazy bitch, is more like it.

Manny, you're not a psychologist. When you read something posted on a internet forum like this:

Make her pee a cactus/Have a buffalo do a diareah dump in her ear.

You can't say people are sadistic and are mentally ill, prescribing symptoms as if you have a PhD; you have too look at the variables when such statements are said, such as seriousness, age, what the person is feeling, political alignment, sexual orientation, race, gender, IQ, habits etc and you cannot know that through your computer, you're not Dr.Strange. Your statements do not make you look smart, in fact they make you look stupid and arrogant, as if you know everything there is to know about the universe and you got it all from Wikipedia.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

Uh, when exactly did I diagnose you?

Why do you keep reading so much into plain and simple sentences? I love how you've turned this all about ME now. You completely ignored how you completely agreed with my original post with your comment in your last post and instead proceeded to ramble on how I don't know everything when I never said anything of the sort.

Since I don't know everything (and never claimed to) nor do I have a doctorate, do you want me to find you sources to where overexposure to violence leads to violent tendencies?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Did you see those on the news or the newspaper? Or did you find them online? I've never seen cases in the news, the worst I've seen is a women kidnapping a child or throwing her own child in a garbage can. Rarely do I see a news report or a paper clipping of 'Women kills'. Or did you find them online? I don't normally google: 'Criminals who are women or 'Women serial killers'

How does popular media based on real events work for you?

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2004/06/03/images/monster.jpg

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/USmugshots/805wuornos.jpg

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/wuornos805.htm

That work for ya?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Did you see those on the news or the newspaper? Or did you find them online? I've never seen cases in the news, the worst I've seen is a women kidnapping a child or throwing her own child in a garbage can. Rarely do I see a news report or a paper clipping of 'Women kills'. Or did you find them online? I don't normally google: 'Criminals who are women or 'Women serial killers'

And another thing?

Just because you don't see it means it doesn't exist?

[E20]

WTF
You're confusing the fuck out of me.

In your first post of this thread you said indirectly that I had the same mentality as a person who would kill there baby if he/she were crying

I think its people like you who want to make themselves feel better when they make posts like you did. Its a way of showing how different you are from the person who committed the crime. Its an expression of how far above them you are and how you plan on showing it.

I never said your statement was a cause - I said it was a symptom.

And WTF is this? Aren't you basically calling me a sadistic torturer/psychopath and what symptom?


You completely ignored how you completely agreed with my original post with your comment in your last post and instead proceeded to ramble on how I don't know everything when I never said anything of the sort.

When did I agree with you?
You asked Desflood this question:

So you believe a society where these thoughts are more prevelant is not more likely to be far more violent than one where those thoughts are far less common?
And I answered it. No wait,I didn't answer that, I just stole what I saw from Bowling for Columbine and half the time I don't even agree with the director.

^ That quote is worded so fucking horrendous I have to read it ten times.

do you want me to find you sources to where overexposure to violence leads to violent tendencies?
No, because aside from violent expsosure other factors play into what the person does and the violence can't be miniscule.

[E20]

And another thing?

Just because you don't see it means it doesn't exist?
I watch the news, nationwide and local rarely do I see it. I read the paper, never read about it, unless if it's a local thing in Texas.

Also, when did I say it never existed? I love IT, LOVE IT, when people put words into my mouth.

[MannyIsGod]

WTF
You're confusing the fuck out of me.

In your first post of this thread you said indirectly that I had the same mentality as a person who would kill there baby if he/she were crying

You have reading comprehension difficulties. I never said anything of the sort and I've stated as much several times in this thread.



And WTF is this? Aren't you basically calling me a sadistic torturer/psychopath and what symptom?
Once again: reading comprehension. I'm speaking very plainly in my posts; I don't know how to further break it down for you.



When did I agree with you?
You asked Desflood this question:

And I answered it. No wait,I didn't answer that, I just stole what I saw from Bowling for Columbine and half the time I don't even agree with the director.
[/qoute]

When you pointed out that America has a violence saturated culture and has a very high murder rate.

[quote]
^ That quote is worded so fucking horrendous I have to read it ten times.
Its worded fine. But if you're going to criticize my wording, perhaps you might want to use the right words? Hint: HorrendousLY.



No, because aside from violent expsosure other factors play into what the person does and the violence can't be miniscule.Bad wording? Anyhow, first you say I don't know it all and I shouldn't act like I have a PHD and then you refuse to listen to the opinions of those with PHDs. I get it, basically everything that might contradict you is incorrect?

[MannyIsGod]

I watch the news, nationwide and local rarely do I see it. I read the paper, never read about it, unless if it's a local thing in Texas.

Also, when did I say it never existed? I love IT, LOVE IT, when people put words into my mouth.Ironic.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I watch the news, nationwide and local rarely do I see it. I read the paper, never read about it, unless if it's a local thing in Texas.

Also, when did I say it never existed? I love IT, LOVE IT, when people put words into my mouth.

Who put words in your mouth? It was a question based on your own statements.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I watch the news, nationwide and local rarely do I see it. I read the paper, never read about it, unless if it's a local thing in Texas.


So again, what am I to take from this statement?

[E20]

Ironic.
A. You acutally said I had the mind of a criminal and was no better then the girl based on my thoughts.

B. When I said I loved it, I was being sarcastic

Who put words in your mouth? It was a question based on your own statements.
The statement was I never hear about killings done by female with criminal intent, so it must not happen to often or it must go unnoticed. Never in that sentence is there an implication of it never existing. Also, I can't take this article into consideration, because I hear all the time of pre-teen skanks who trash or kill there unwanted baby, you may think it's a contradiction, but it's not and I don't want to explain why.


It's 12AM and I have school and I can't afford to be on the internet 24/7 everyday and ever single hour of my existence. Apparently people stay up until 3AM on the internet. :wow

:sleep

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

It's 12AM and I have school and I can't afford to be on the internet 24/7 everyday and ever single hour of my existence. Apparently people stay up until 3AM on the internet. :wow

:sleep

You might want to use that time at school to learn there's a bigger world around you than what you see on TV or read in the papers.

[MannyIsGod]

A. You acutally said I had the mind of a criminal and was no better then the girl based on my thoughts.

B. When I said I loved it, I was being sarcastic
Want to provide a link for when I post that?




It's 12AM and I have school and I can't afford to be on the internet 24/7 everyday and ever single hour of my existence. Apparently people stay up until 3AM on the internet. :wow

:sleepApparently not all people sleep on your schedule. Apparently you have a lot to learn about a lot of things.

[E20]

OMFG, I'm not responding to this holy shitting fuck.

You pissed me the fuck off, I don't even know what the fuck you said to me anymore was it an insult, compliment, something you think about me WTF, now I'm gonna wake up in the middle of the night in a fucking cold sweat having nightmares about this confusing dog pile of turd-shit that is this thread.

Apparently not all people sleep on your schedule. Apparently you have a lot to learn about a lot of things.

You might want to use that time at school to learn there's a bigger world around you than what you see on TV or read in the papers.
I sleep on a normal schedule. Maybe you guys have sleeping disorders or work late in the afternoon or work graveyard shifts mowing peoples lawns or have some activity that doesn't not allow you sleep at night, like reading internet forums.

Whatever.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

OMFG, I'm not responding to this holy shitting fuck.

You pissed me the fuck off, I don't even know what the fuck you said to me anymore was it an insult, compliment, something you think about me WTF, now I'm gonna wake up in the middle of the night in a fucking cold sweat having nightmares about this confusing dog pile of turd-shit that is this thread.


I sleep on a normal schedule. Maybe you guys have sleeping disorders or work late in the afternoon or work graveyard shifts mowing peoples lawns or have some activity that doesn't not allow you sleep at night, like reading internet forums.

Whatever.

I bet if you were to look hard enough, people stay up on the internet until 4 a.m., too.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

OMFG, I'm not responding to this holy shitting fuck.

So the babble that followed this particular statement wasn't a response?

[MannyIsGod]

Brilliant. Its past your bed time.

[Spurfect]

I think the REAL question here is: Would Tlong hit it?

[Trainwreck2100]

Lets be realistic here. We all know that race and what tax bracket you live in is the real stepping stones to getting cuaght

fixed it for you

[Viva Las Espuelas]

fixed it for yougetting cuaght?

:lol

[Shelly]

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ec981097-4596-40c1-a15a-3d0120950a43&rss=68

Mother Who Killed Her Children Apologizes, Cites Depression
Last Update: Mar 12, 2007 10:14 AM







Watch This Video
SAN ANTONIO (AP) - A 19-year-old mother accused of stashing the bodies of her two young children under her apartment said she was "sorry for everything."

Valerie Lopez was being held on $10 million bond after being arrested Saturday and charged with capital murder in the death of her 14-month-old daughter Sariyah Garcia.

Police say Lopez admitted to beating the girl to death on Christmas Eve and hiding her body beneath the home.

Two months later, according to police accounts of Lopez's statements, she put the body of her 5-month-old son Sebastian Lopez under the house after she accidentally rolled over him and killed him.

"I'm just sorry, just sorry for everything, because I hurt everybody that I love," Lopez said Sunday in a jailhouse interview with the San Antonio Express-News.

When pressed about her children's deaths, a sobbing Lopez said: "I want to talk to my attorney ... I don't want to talk about anything. All I can say is, my kids mean everything to me."

Bexar County District Attorney Susan Reed said she plans to seek the death penalty against Lopez.

Police had been searching for Lopez and her boyfriend Jerry Salazar since Tuesday night when the children's bodies were found by residents of a triplex who were trying to locate the source of a foul odor they had been smelling for as long as two weeks.

San Antonio Police Department spokesman Joe Rios said the causes of death for the children had not been released, but the Bexar County medical examiner's office has ruled that they were not accidental.

Salazar, 28, was arrested and charged with injury to a child causing serious bodily injury by omission. He was aware Lopez was abusing her children, police said. His bond was set at $1.1 million, including a warrant for driving with an invalid license.

Lopez said she had been taking medication for bipolar disorder for two years but quit when the doctor visits became too experience. Stopping the medicine brought on mood swings and periods of forgetfulness, she said. She said that if she could have done things differently, she would have kept taking the medication.

"I try to control it," she told the newspaper.

Lopez's sister, Tina Vara, said her sister wouldn't ask for help or acknowledge her troubles.

"She would just hide everything," Vara said. "These babies would have been alive had she just asked for help."


©2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[1369]

getting cuaght?

:lol

http://www.cinefex.com/backissues/number43.jpg

Approves

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Lets be realistic here. We all know that race and what tax bracket you live in is the real stepping stones to most violence. I couldn't disagree with you enough. I can't tell if your statement was dripping with sarcasm though, but I have a good feeling it wasn't.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://www.cinefex.com/backissues/number43.jpg
:wtf

[Spurfect]

if she "accidently" killed her second baby, why did she bury him under her house? She should have reported it or taken the baby to the hospital, although she was probably afraid of the police coming to her house and discover the first child. ugh this is all so sick...

[ZStomp]

We were getting a lot of calls of people spotting this couple all around the south side on Friday night. I was hoping I was going to get lucky and catch them.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Of course it wasn't. Its already been proven in countless courts of law that most messicans and blacks are theives and rapists and that figure compounds to almost 95% of poor people having commited criminal acts before the age of 25. Poor ethnic people are bad people. This is obvious :toast .andrea yates
charles manson
tim mcvae
ed gein
ted bundy
john wayne gacy
jeffery dahmer
eileen wournos
i could go on, but that's a good starting point.

[Mixability]

Does Manny and JB picking on E20 count as child abuse?

[ZStomp]

Does Manny and JB picking on E20 count as child abuse?


:lmao

[E20]

Does Manny and JB picking on E20 count as child abuse?
I'm at school and last night is over so I can post again in this thread.

But, no, I'm fucking 18 years old so it doesn't count as child abuse, how many fucking times I have said that in this thread, holy shit! Even if they did try they'd have a hard time even 2 on 1, judging by the pictures I've seen, they're nothing but big piles of lard that roam the interent in the wee hours of the morning.
Oh yeah and if JB and Manny find solace in that fact that stay up super late browsing the INTERENT, then wow. Telling me that I'm naive for the fact that I cap on normal people who don't sleep on a normal schedule. Holy shit it's one thing that you say that, but at least say why you don't sleep on a traditional schedule, most people who don't have some special or interesting lifestyle/hobby sleep on a normal schedule, nothing you two have because your hobby is browsing the interent at 4AM.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Just because some white people do it too doesn't mean less messicans do it. The two don't have anything to do with each other. You do know that those statistacally have nothing to do with each other don't you?Well your "Poor ethnic people are bad people" statement is pretty broad and very judgemental to me. So rich white people are "good" people? I'm surprised more people aren't offended by this. I'm not replying simply to be an ass. Bad people? Define bad people. none of those people I listed were "nice". Andrea yates was white and well off if i'm not mistaken. Hell, she killed all 4 or 5 of her babies and she wasn't mexican. What about that lady that killed her husband last year that was a Pastor. She fled with her kid to another state before they got her. She was white and they were in a high tax bracket. What about that lady a few years back that threw her kids in the trunk of a car and rolled it into a lake and blamed a black man. She was white, but she blamed a "poor" black person. I don't know what you're referring to "The two don't have anything to do with each other". Killing is killing if that's what you're referring to.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'm at school and last night is over so I can post again in this thread.

But, no, I'm fucking 18 years old so it doesn't count as child abuse, how many fucking times I have said that in this thread, holy shit! Even if they did try they'd have a hard time even 2 on 1, judging by the pictures I've seen, they're nothing but big piles of lard that roam the interent in the wee hours of the morning.
Oh yeah and if JB and Manny find solace in that fact that stay up super late browsing the INTERENT, then wow. Telling me that I'm naive for the fact that I cap on normal people who don't sleep on a normal schedule. Holy shit it's one thing that you say that, but at least say why you don't sleep on a traditional schedule, most people who don't have some special or interesting lifestyle/hobby sleep on a normal schedule, nothing you two have because your hobby is browsing the interent at 4AM.

http://www.louisville.edu/~jacerw01/internet%20tough%20guy.jpg

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Holy shit it's one thing that you say that, but at least say why you don't sleep on a traditional schedule, most people who don't have some special or interesting lifestyle/hobby sleep on a normal schedule, nothing you two have because your hobby is browsing the interent at 4AM.

Unfortunately, the information in newspapers doesn't get sent until after you're in bed.

[Pugglekicker_21]

Its some kind, im not sure which.

[E20]

If my school didn't have filters I'd post of a picture of a nerd or a fat guy on the internet with other geeky shit, but I can't. So sorry.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

If my school didn't have filters I'd post of a picture of a nerd or a fat guy on the internet with other geeky shit, but I can't. So sorry.

Good. You should be using your time on the internet looking for news stories on violent female offenders since you don't see them on TV or in your newspaper.

[MannyIsGod]

HOLY SHIT, I work at the internet at night. Holy shit, if I was a bit older I might be able to make an actual point in this thread.

Danyo, it isn't child abuse, but I probably shouldn't pick on those who aren't very bright.

[MannyIsGod]

Wait, did I fuck up my last post by not putting INTERNET in caps and in bold?

HOLY SHIT.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

More people aren't offended because they know I'm fucking around. :rolleyes . Time and time again you prove how unbelievable stupid and naive you are. Good job Mr. Gullible.I think I asked for you to clarify if you were being serious on my first post before we got into this. Actually I think "more people" aren't offended because they simply ignore your posts. Now go play with your little remote control cars and model cars little boy.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I think I asked for you to clarify if you were being serious on my first post before we got into this. Actually I think "more people" aren't offended because they simply ignore your posts. Now go play with your little remote control cars and model cars little boy.

I knew he was fucking around.

[Pugglekicker_21]

i knew he was because of the fact that it doesnt matter how rich or what social class you are, bad things happen everywhere.

[Mixability]

Danyo, it isn't child abuse, but I probably shouldn't pick on those who aren't very bright.

Fuck it, I called CPS on you anyway. Can't be too careful these days. :lol

[Mixability]

UPDATE: Video Shows Possible Abuse Before Babies Were Murdered
Last Update: Mar 16, 2007 1:23 PM

Posted By: Maritza Nunez

News 4 WOAI has uncovered new information regarding the two babies found dead underneath a South Side home.
A letter was sent to family members after the children's deaths, essentially closing the child abuse investigation for lack of evidence. The letter infuriated family members who spoke to De Leon.

Two days after Sariya and Sebastian were found dead underneath the triplex on Winnipeg, a letter arrived at the home of family members of the children. The letter shows Child Protective Services closed its investigation into the children's mother, Valerie Lopez.

The letter says "The report on your family has been investigated, and there was not sufficient information to determine if abuse or neglect occurred, and we will not be providing further services."

The children's great-grandmother says CPS didn't do its job. She says first called police in November and that is when the case was turned over to CPS.

She says right before the babies' bodies were discovered, she got a phone call that the case was going to be dropped.

"The case worker, he called me at night," says Sylvia Garcia. "After two days, at the most, three days before the babies were found, 'we're closing. I'm just calling because we're closing the case on the Valerie thing.' I said, 'what?'"

Sylvia says she couldn't believe CPS was closing the case. "He says, 'you know, because we can't find them.' I asked him if he could leave it open, 'even if you don't go look for them. Leave it open. Just in something comes up.' He says, 'No, we can't do that.'"

A representative from CPS says she cannot comment on confidential information from a case file. In the meantime, family members say they are looking to hire an attorney.

Funeral plans for both children are still in the works. The memorials and funerals are being handled by Mission Park Funeral Home.



The case is being closed? What the fuck? How come the other family members didn't do something earlier since they had the time to videotape a baby with bruises? I have a problem with putting the entire blame on CPS, a true family would know something was up when they haven't seen someone's kid since Christmas. :dizzy

[Shelly]

Sadly, I think this happens a lot with CPS. And I agree about the family.

There were pictures of the baby with bruises on the front page today.

[Mixability]

Sadly, I think this happens a lot with CPS. And I agree about the family.

There were pictures of the baby with bruises on the front page today.

This is just fucking sad. They had video of a fucking infant with bruises and they don't say shit until AFTER the baby is dead? They have blood on their hands too. Maybe if CPS had that video as evidence BEFORE the murders, those kids would still be alive. Morons.

It's this kind of shit that makes me think having to get a license to be a parent would be a good idea. :spin

[Shelly]

There are just a lot of stupid people in this world.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I just found out I'm related to one of the investigators assigned to the case the day after the children's bodies were found.