View Full Version : Ric Bucher - My vote for MVP - Tim Duncan
judaspriestess
03-13-2007, 09:32 PM
on NBA Coast to Coast
the debate was on Dirk and Steve Nash, Bucher gives mad props to Duncan and how Duncan in his opinion defines his idea of MVP. Thanks Ric, you are pretty much the only one I have ever seen or heard give consistent props to the Spurs over the years.
dg7md
03-13-2007, 09:47 PM
Duncan is by far not the MVP of the league this year. It's definitely Dirk's.
ShoogarBear
03-13-2007, 09:49 PM
No chance.
But Tim will take Finals MVP as a consolation prize.
TDMVPDPOY
03-13-2007, 09:58 PM
the mvp this season is all dirk, but he can lose it.
nash shouldnt even be in discussions though, i dont give a shit if his more efficient this season, or sitting out games to prove his valueble to the team, that shit applies to every franchise player on every other team, and your telling me a team like phoenix with all the talent cant win without nash? SONS = OVERRATED. whose to blame for their 6-7 man rotation, whose to blame for there players logging big minutes, whose to blame they dont have a backup PG for nash......fuck the sons.
mardigan
03-13-2007, 10:00 PM
Yea, not this year for Tim, but that doesnt mean shit. Skip Bayless also gives the Spurs props every year
dougp
03-13-2007, 10:00 PM
No chance.
But Tim will take Finals MVP as a consolation prize.
I doubt that Tim would manage to snag MvP ... I believe that Nash will for the 3rd year in a row, and that Timmy will win his 4th Finals MVP or Parker/Manu will get their 1st.
mavs>spurs2
03-13-2007, 10:03 PM
I doubt that Tim would manage to snag MvP ... I believe that Nash will for the 3rd year in a row, and that Timmy will win his 4th Finals MVP or Parker/Manu will get their 1st.
Keep dreamin buddy :smokin
dougp
03-13-2007, 10:04 PM
Keep dreamin buddy :smokin
Welcome to a Spurs forum, gofuckyourself. You don't like how we talk, go post over at MavsTalk ... oh wait. :lol
NO LIMIT ARMY COMMANDER
03-13-2007, 10:05 PM
Reminds me of the perfect title for a future gay porno...."Cuban's Missle Crisis".
dbreiden83080
03-13-2007, 10:32 PM
Duncan is by far not the MVP of the league this year. It's definitely Dirk's.
I agree it is Dirk's to lose he has had the best year on the best team in the NBA all year long. Timmy has his 2 mvp's and this team is no longer set up for him to have to carry them in the Reg season.
jaespur21
03-13-2007, 10:51 PM
yeah, although timmy has have had another all-star season he has received contributions from just about every1 on this squad.
Keep dreamin buddy :smokin
if any1 is dreaming its you and your name mavs>spurs in what way? :p:
judaspriestess
03-13-2007, 11:23 PM
its how each individual who is voting defines MVP. Bucher spoke about Stern never 'defining' MVP for that specific reason. It could be a number of things not just a team record, its all subjective. I don't see Tim getting MVP either but Mr. Bucher put up a very nice argument for it.
CubanMustGo
03-13-2007, 11:31 PM
Gotta be Dirk this year.
Kent_in_Atlanta
03-13-2007, 11:45 PM
Duncan is by far not the MVP of the league this year. It's definitely Dirk's.
That's true. But it's kind of like every year back in Shaq's prime when someone other than Shaq would win it. The other player may have been more deserving of the award... but the fact of the matter was that Shaq was as valuable as any player in the league.
The fact right now is that Tim Duncan is as valuable as any player in the league. It isn't just his numbers, but his precense in the post that creates so many opportunities for other players. Dirks numbers are better this year, but he doesn't have quite the precense that Tim does in the sense of creating open looks and open lanes for teammates.
That's not to say Dirk doesn't create those opportunities... just not as many as Duncan does. And in a big game Duncan has always been as valuable as anyone.
Vingianx
03-14-2007, 12:07 AM
That's true. But it's kind of like every year back in Shaq's prime when someone other than Shaq would win it. The other player may have been more deserving of the award... but the fact of the matter was that Shaq was as valuable as any player in the league.
The fact right now is that Tim Duncan is as valuable as any player in the league. It isn't just his numbers, but his precense in the post that creates so many opportunities for other players. Dirks numbers are better this year, but he doesn't have quite the precense that Tim does in the sense of creating open looks and open lanes for teammates.
That's not to say Dirk doesn't create those opportunities... just not as many as Duncan does. And in a big game Duncan has always been as valuable as anyone.
Dirk is a scorer
judaspriestess
03-14-2007, 01:23 AM
That's true. But it's kind of like every year back in Shaq's prime when someone other than Shaq would win it. The other player may have been more deserving of the award... but the fact of the matter was that Shaq was as valuable as any player in the league.
The fact right now is that Tim Duncan is as valuable as any player in the league. It isn't just his numbers, but his precense in the post that creates so many opportunities for other players. Dirks numbers are better this year, but he doesn't have quite the precense that Tim does in the sense of creating open looks and open lanes for teammates.
That's not to say Dirk doesn't create those opportunities... just not as many as Duncan does. And in a big game Duncan has always been as valuable as anyone.
precisely and that was the whole Tim for MVP argument. :)
I have long believed that there should be two separate awards: Player Of The Year and Most Valuable Player. That sounds stupid, and in practice the two awards would go to one player in the majority of seasons.
However, there are occasions where the best player in basketball is not necessarily the most valuable, and I would like for the two award system to record that distinction where appropriate.
johngateswhiteley
03-14-2007, 04:37 AM
Duncan is by far not the MVP of the league this year. It's definitely Dirk's.
wrong and no.
slayermin
03-14-2007, 04:53 AM
The MVP is usually decided from now until the end of the season. It's still up for grabs.
TDMVPDPOY
03-14-2007, 04:56 AM
is there an award voted by the players? i find that more credible than a bunch of media anals giving their opinions, since a bunch of them are homers.
Up until the 1981 season, the MVP was voted on by the players.
Shank
03-14-2007, 09:13 AM
MVP of the streak is Manu. Why not throw his name into consideration, rather than Duncan?
cherylsteele
03-14-2007, 09:19 AM
MVP of the streak is Manu. Why not throw his name into consideration, rather than Duncan?
That would be sweet but......not gonna happen.
I would like to see him win sixth man of the year honors though. This probably won't happen either because he was moved to the bench a little too late....but you never know.
IMO, Dirk will probably win MVP....but you can make a case for Nash too.
Shank
03-14-2007, 09:30 AM
Well, from what I've seen as of late, I don't know who else would take that 6th man away from Manu. I don't think anyone could argue should he win that award.
FromWayDowntown
03-14-2007, 10:17 AM
I can't see how the MVP goes to anyone other than Dirk this year. He's earned the award; he's been stellar for months on the best team in the league.
What I do think is interesting, though, is the fact that Timmy is legitimately in the MVP conversation again after several years of hearing stories about how Tim Duncan was in decline, how Tim Duncan's career was spiraling downward because of injuries and age, and how Tim Duncan wouldn't ever be a dominant player again.
The reports of Tim's demise appear to have been exaggerated.
mavsfan1000
03-14-2007, 10:18 AM
Manu>Duncan so far this year. No way Duncan has a chance at this years MVP.
weebo
03-14-2007, 10:35 AM
Manu>Duncan so far this year. No way Duncan has a chance at this years MVP.
And no way is Manu greater than Duncan--As much as we all love Manu on the floor, his job is to come in and provide energy and scoring--Duncan's responsiblities are far and beyond greater than anything Manu brings--Duncan is the anchor of the team on both offense and defense.
George Gervin's Afro
03-14-2007, 10:36 AM
It's Dirk's year.
Phenomanul
03-14-2007, 12:35 PM
I have long believed that there should be two separate awards: Player Of The Year and Most Valuable Player. That sounds stupid, and in practice the two awards would go to one player in the majority of seasons.
However, there are occasions where the best player in basketball is not necessarily the most valuable, and I would like for the two award system to record that distinction where appropriate.
MVP
Finals MVP
judaspriestess
03-14-2007, 01:16 PM
That would be sweet but......not gonna happen.
I would like to see him win sixth man of the year honors though. This probably won't happen either because he was moved to the bench a little too late....but you never know.
IMO, Dirk will probably win MVP....but you can make a case for Nash too.
I think Manu still qualifies for the sixth man award this year, at least thats what I heard Steve Kerr and Marv Albert say at the last game they called just a few games ago.
degenerate_gambler
03-14-2007, 01:25 PM
I think Manu still qualifies for the sixth man award this year, at least thats what I heard Steve Kerr and Marv Albert say at the last game they called just a few games ago.
I'd love for Manu to bag that award, but Ben Gordon will probably win it.
Shank
03-14-2007, 02:34 PM
As per usual, Bucher is all over the board:
On the MVP:
Bucher: Steve Nash. Just because the voters screwed up and didn't recognize Kobe Bryant last year doesn't mean Nash should pay the price this year, when he deserves it more than ever before. The arguments I hear for Dirk is that he's the best player on the best team and that "he's due," as if he's accrued brownie points over the years.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2797091
MVP
Finals MVP
Finals MVP is not a regular season award, and I was referring to regular season awards.
Besides, Finals MVP can go to some guy who gets hot at the right time. JoJo White, Cedric Maxwell, and Joe Dumars have all won Finals MVP. Nice players, but were any of these players ever the best in basketball for a full season? Of course not.
cherylsteele
03-14-2007, 02:46 PM
I think Manu still qualifies for the sixth man award this year, at least thats what I heard Steve Kerr and Marv Albert say at the last game they called just a few games ago.
How many games off the bench does Manu need to qualify?
If he is qualified it is between Ben Gordon and Manu.
mFFL03
03-14-2007, 02:51 PM
Wow read the writer round up on espn.com right now....ric bucher is the biggest idiot.
Out of the 5 writers on the article, he sticks out like a sore thumb....AND Hollinger is in there.
TMTTRIO
03-14-2007, 02:56 PM
I think Manu still qualifies for the sixth man award this year, at least thats what I heard Steve Kerr and Marv Albert say at the last game they called just a few games ago.
I would love to see Manu win that award because he really does deserve it and does a lot for this team but I don't think he's going to win it (especially with the very few minutes that he gets as it already is). Ben Gorden is averaging more points and Leandro Barbosa is having a great year and averaging a little more than Manu is right now. Maybe if he had some more minutes and a few more shots he could get it.
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