Elbow from Dirk???

[Medvedenko]

I heard Dirk elbowed James in yesterday's game....I haven't watched it, and BSPN won't show the highlights of this unnatural move. Can anyone comment on this....or provide a youtube of the incident. Stu Jackson and I are trying to review this..... :)

[mardigan]

It wasnt anything, it was as much a James flop as it was a Dirk elbow

[Medvedenko]

Did it connect...

[mardigan]

Looked like it might have, but they never really showed a good angle to tell for sure

[bdictjames]

Was that the part when James bumped his head hard? Im pretty sure the dude in front of him was J-Ho.

[Medvedenko]

So no suspension....just wondering...maybe it will be increased to a Flagrant 1, oh shit what am I talking about, nothing will happen it wasn't Kobe doing the harm.
Silly me......................................

[mavsfan1000]

Time for Dirk to get suspended now. :D

[Medvedenko]

No it wasn't when Lebron hit his head...I heard even the color guy comment on it....didn't see the game, still no Kobe...no suspension.

[mardigan]

Was that the part when James bumped his head hard? Im pretty sure the dude in front of him was J-Ho.
No, it was towards the end of the game, and Dirk had the ball on the wing, James got up in his shit, then Dirk swung his elbow around and looked to hit him in the face. But it didnt look intentional, and no there wont be a suspension

[bdictjames]

No it wasn't when Lebron hit his head...I heard even the color guy comment on it....didn't see the game, still no Kobe...no suspension.
Yeah I thought so.. Jackson's gonna go nuts on this one. :ihit

[JamStone]

LeBron crowded Dirk on the wing and was basically inches away from his face. Dirk had the ball to his side and went to square up his body. As soon as he did, it appeared that Dirk hit LeBron in his face. It was not an unnatural move at all, and LeBron was giving no space for Dirk to bring the ball around. It was probably more of a flop than anything. It is not even remotely comparable to any of the elbows Kobe gave out.

[Medvedenko]

Any hit over the shoulders into the face is deemed unnatural...regardless of being in his grill or not. Still, no consistany in the NBA.

[mavsfan1000]

Any hit over the shoulders into the face is deemed unnatural...regardless of being in his grill or not. Still, no consistany in the NBA.
Lebron stuck his face into Dirk's elbow knowing they needed a stop. So I say Lebron intentionally did it to take the charge knowing Dirk's move. The announcers were joking about it because of the Kobe suspension.

[Medvedenko]

So there was an elbow....hmm...ok, I guess it's much to do about nothing.

[phyzik]

so what have we established with this thread?

Kobe elbows people constantly.

Dirk elbows 1 person who crowds him.

Laker fans are bitches.


great thread.

[Medvedenko]

Just trying to make a point....I'm not saying anything about Kobe's arms or elbow... I was commenting on the lack of consistant punishment deamed by the NBA. As a fan it's sad to see that they make mistakes and never admit they were wrong in the first place.

[nsrammstein]

so what have we established with this thread?

Kobe elbows people constantly.

Dirk elbows 1 person who crowds him.

Laker fans are bitches.


great thread.

thread.

[Shank]

What Dirk did (unintentionally) was NOTHING like that crap that Kobe pulls. Get off it.

[mardigan]

Its true, Dirks was just accidental. Kobe arent, bottom line

[Medvedenko]

How can you judge if it was an accident. Shouldn't dirk like kobe have control of their body and appendages.....

[mardigan]

When it happens three times in the same way it spretty obvious. Dirks happened in the natural flow of the game, Kobes came while flailing around like an idiot. I like Kobe and dont think he is a dirty player, but intentional or not, you cant be flailing your arms around like that

[Chris Childs]

How can you judge if it was an accident. Shouldn't dirk like kobe have control of their body and appendages.....



http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s117/ByrdManFly/2n7m4vboc2.gif

[mabber]

Just trying to make a point....I'm not saying anything about Kobe's arms or elbow... I was commenting on the lack of consistant punishment deamed by the NBA. As a fan it's sad to see that they make mistakes and never admit they were wrong in the first place.

It wasn't a hard elbow. I don't even recall it being highlighted on Sportscenter but I could be wrong. Dirk definitely made contact but it wasn't anything hard.

[LEONARD]

So there was an elbow....hmm...ok, I guess it's much to do about nothing.

:lol

Yes, definitely so... :lol

[mardigan]

Is Medvedenko Phil Jackson?

[nkdlunch]

I heard Dirk elbowed James in yesterday's game

whoever you heard it from, he's a moron. This is not even threadworthy.

Dirt still had the ball in his hands when he made contact. Kobe had already released the ball on his suspensions.

[LakeShow]

whoever you heard it from, he's a moron. This is not even threadworthy.

Dirt still had the ball in his hands when he made contact. Kobe had already released the ball on his suspensions.

What difference does that make? An elbow anywhere above the shoulder is supposed to be a suspension.

That's why this shit is so fucked up. Lame ass rules that can be given different penalties, if any for different players. Dirk and Gino elbows to the face, no suspension. Kobe and Artest elbows to the face, suspension.

[mardigan]

What difference does that make? An elbow anywhere above the shoulder is supposed to be a suspension.

That's why this shit is so fucked up. Lame ass rules that can be given different penalties, if any for different players. Dirk and Gino elbows to the face, no suspension. Kobe and Artest elbows to the face, suspension.
It makes a huge difference, Dirk was making a basketball move, Kobe wasnt

[LakeShow]

It makes a huge difference, Dirk was making a basketball move, Kobe wasnt

Shouldn't matter. If you throw an elbow and dirk did and it catches someone in the face it's supposed to be a violation.

[LakeShow]

Kobe thru an elbow at Korver because he was being crowded. It didn't hit him in the face so it was ruled a flagrant 1.

[LEONARD]

Shouldn't matter. If you throw an elbow and dirk did and it catches someone in the face it's supposed to be a violation.

Unbelievable...have you even seen the play yet dude??? :drunk :hat :smokin

[LakeShow]

Unbelievable...have you even seen the play yet dude??? :drunk :hat :smokin

No I haven't seen the play. I just heard that he hit Lebron with an elbow in the face. That did not happen?

[mardigan]

Kobe thru an elbow at Korver because he was being crowded. It didn't hit him in the face so it was ruled a flagrant 1.
And Kobe being crowded b y Ashton Kutcher wasnt the reason for that elbow. And the Dirk play was nothing, I wasnt even 100% sure he even hit him, just Laker fans trying to prove how unfair Kobe gets treated.

[LEONARD]

No I haven't seen the play. I just heard that he hit Lebron with an elbow in the face. That did not happen?

Yes, while Dirk was raising up to shoot...

:rolleyes

[LakeShow]

Yes, while Dirk was raising up to shoot...

:rolleyes

Oh that makes it okay? :rolleyes an elbow to the face is an elbow to the face, regardless.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want a suspension for any players under that circumstance but the leagues says that is a violation. It does not stipulate, its okay if youre shooting.

[nkdlunch]

dumbass laker fans

[LakeShow]

dumbass laker fans

Ignorant ass spurs fan!

[LEONARD]

Oh that makes it okay? :rolleyes an elbow to the face is an elbow to the face, regardless.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want a suspension for any players under that circumstance but the leagues says that is a violation. It does not stipulate, its okay if youre shooting.

Alright dude...

I can't even believe you started a whining thread and you didn't (and still haven't) seen the play in question...

WOW :lol

[LakeShow]

Alright dude...

I can't even believe you started a whining thread and you didn't (and still haven't) seen the play in question...

WOW :lol

You don't have to see it if it is true that he connected with an elbow to the face. Maybe one of you can give me a link to where the rules stat it's ok to elbow someone in the chops if you're shooting.

[mardigan]

Alright dude...

I can't even believe you started a whining thread and you didn't (and still haven't) seen the play in question...

WOW :lol
Give it up Leonard, this guy is just reaching, because the NBA loves holding back their most popular players

[LakeShow]

That's right give it up. The rules stat any blow above the shoulders is a violation. End of Story!

[LEONARD]

That's right give it up. The rules stat any blow above the shoulders is a violation. End of Story!

and Dirk was called for a foul...


Give it up Leonard, this guy is just reaching, because the NBA loves holding back their most popular players

I know... :lol

Poor Kobe...they're rough on him because he's a rapist :lol

[LakeShow]

and Dirk was called for a foul...



I know... :lol

He was called for a foul? That's definitely suspension material.

[mavsfan1000]

Go fuck yourself Lakeshow1. Kobe extended his arm while Dirk did his normal shot and Lebron leaned in.

[LakeShow]

Go fuck yourself Lakeshow1. Kobe extended his arm while Dirk did his normal shot and Lebron leaned in.

Suck my Dic, mavfan. I dont give a fuck. an elbow is an elbow!

[mabber]

He was called for a foul? That's definitely suspension material.

Maybe if Dirk had raped a girl the league would consider suspending him after throwing an elbow :lol

[LakeShow]

Maybe if Dirk had raped a girl the league would consider suspending him after throwing an elbow :lol

Wont happen, he might rape a boy though.

[mardigan]

Im giving it up because you are too damn dense to even talk to, you are so blinded by your Laker love it has turned you into an idiot


Section IV-Fouls
a. A common personal foul is illegal physical contact which occurs with an opponent after the ball has become live.
b. A technical foul is the penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct or violations by team members on the floor or seated on the bench. It may be assessed for illegal contact which occurs with an opponent before the ball becomes live.
c. A double foul is a situation in which two opponents commit personal or technical fouls against each other at approximately the same time.
d. An offensive foul is illegal contact, committed by an offensive player, after the ball is live.
e. A loose ball foul is illegal contact, after the ball is alive, when team control does not exist.
f. An elbow foul is making contact with the elbow in an unsportsmanlike manner whether the ball is dead or alive.
g. A flagrant foul is unnecessary and/or excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent whether the ball is dead or alive.
h. A punching foul is a punch by a player which makes contact with an opponent whether the ball is dead or alive.
i. An away-from-the-play foul is illegal contact by the defense in the last two minutes of the game, and/or overtime, which occurs (1) deliberately away from the immediate area of offensive action, and/or (2) prior to the ball being released on a throw-in.

There, now you have seen it, in an UNSPORTSMANLIKE MANNER. Which both of Kobes were. So quit crying like a girl on prom night

[mavsfan1000]

Suck my Dic, mavfan. I dont give a fuck. an elbow is an elbow!
Of course there are circumstances where they won't call it. For instance someone looking for contact. Kobe extended his elbow beyond what the normal person does. In that case Kobe deserved the suspension. Stop being such a homer.

[mardigan]

Nothing now, we done?

[mavsfan1000]

Im giving it up because you are too damn dense to even talk to, you are so blinded by your Laker love it has turned you into an idiot


Section IV-Fouls
a. A common personal foul is illegal physical contact which occurs with an opponent after the ball has become live.
b. A technical foul is the penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct or violations by team members on the floor or seated on the bench. It may be assessed for illegal contact which occurs with an opponent before the ball becomes live.
c. A double foul is a situation in which two opponents commit personal or technical fouls against each other at approximately the same time.
d. An offensive foul is illegal contact, committed by an offensive player, after the ball is live.
e. A loose ball foul is illegal contact, after the ball is alive, when team control does not exist.
f. An elbow foul is making contact with the elbow in an unsportsmanlike manner whether the ball is dead or alive.
g. A flagrant foul is unnecessary and/or excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent whether the ball is dead or alive.
h. A punching foul is a punch by a player which makes contact with an opponent whether the ball is dead or alive.
i. An away-from-the-play foul is illegal contact by the defense in the last two minutes of the game, and/or overtime, which occurs (1) deliberately away from the immediate area of offensive action, and/or (2) prior to the ball being released on a throw-in.

There, now you have seen it, in an UNSPORTSMANLIKE MANNER. Which both of Kobes were. So quit crying like a girl on prom night
Pwned. Dirk didn't do it in a unsportsmanlike manner while Kobe did.

[mardigan]

Pwned. Dirk didn't do it in a unsportsmanlike manner while Kobe did.
By the way, thats from NBA.com, in case Im asked

[LEONARD]

Nothing now, we done?

I think he is...still viewing the thread though...thinking hard :lol

[LakeShow]

Im giving it up because you are too damn dense to even talk to, you are so blinded by your Laker love it has turned you into an idiot


Section IV-Fouls
a. A common personal foul is illegal physical contact which occurs with an opponent after the ball has become live.
b. A technical foul is the penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct or violations by team members on the floor or seated on the bench. It may be assessed for illegal contact which occurs with an opponent before the ball becomes live.
c. A double foul is a situation in which two opponents commit personal or technical fouls against each other at approximately the same time.
d. An offensive foul is illegal contact, committed by an offensive player, after the ball is live.
e. A loose ball foul is illegal contact, after the ball is alive, when team control does not exist.
f. An elbow foul is making contact with the elbow in an unsportsmanlike manner whether the ball is dead or alive.
g. A flagrant foul is unnecessary and/or excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent whether the ball is dead or alive.
h. A punching foul is a punch by a player which makes contact with an opponent whether the ball is dead or alive.
i. An away-from-the-play foul is illegal contact by the defense in the last two minutes of the game, and/or overtime, which occurs (1) deliberately away from the immediate area of offensive action, and/or (2) prior to the ball being released on a throw-in.

There, now you have seen it, in an UNSPORTSMANLIKE MANNER. Which both of Kobes were. So quit crying like a girl on prom night

ohhh, I see. Dirks elbow was not unsportsmanlike. Even though he was called for a foul. An elbow thrown while shooting is a natural act. :rolleyes

[mardigan]

I think he is...still viewing the thread though...thinking hard :lol
You were right, he had to think hard for that one.

[dirk4mvp]

ohhh, I see. Dirks elbow was not unsportsmanlike. Even though he was called for a foul. An elbow thrown while shooting is a natural act. :rolleyes


Dipshit. An elbow wasn't thrown. He was shooting and LeBron was too close to him.

[mardigan]

Dipshit. An elbow wasn't thrown. He was shooting and LeBron was too close to him.
Bro, he hasnt even seen the play

[mabber]

ohhh, I see. Dirks elbow was not unsportsmanlike. Even though he was called for a foul. An elbow thrown while shooting is a natural act. :rolleyes

I can't believe you're still arguing this when you haven't even seen the play :lol

[hater]

and I thought mavfans were dumb

[LakeShow]

Of course there are circumstances where they won't call it. For instance someone looking for contact. Kobe extended his elbow beyond what the normal person does. In that case Kobe deserved the suspension. Stop being such a homer.

Well the league needs to straighten out that rule. I don't see how any elbow can be ruled sportmanlike.

[dirk4mvp]

Bro, he hasnt even seen the play


So lakeshow has nothing to argue about but is still arguing.





WOW

[LakeShow]

and I thought mavfans were dumb

They are, and so are you! fucking moron!~

[mavsfan1000]

Someone please ban Lakeshow1 if he is still trying to argue this. He hasn't even seen the play and yet he keeps arguing. :wtf

[mardigan]

If its a natural movement its sportsmanlike, if its what Kobe did, its not.

[mardigan]

They are, and so are you! fucking moron!~
You are reaching epic levels right now, like Spursdynasty and Nashfan levels

[LakeShow]

Dipshit. An elbow wasn't thrown. He was shooting and LeBron was too close to him.

Faggot, thats why he uesed his elbow, to get some space. Moron!

[hater]

They are, and so are you! fucking moron!~

nice comeback lakerfan. you are truly brilliant.

Now go ask your mom to turn your 6 inch tv on and watch ESPN until you actually see basketball. then come back. idiot

[LakeShow]

You are reaching epic levels right now, like Spursdynasty and Nashfan levels

Damn right, I can swing insults just like you morons.

[dirk4mvp]

Faggot, thats why he uesed his elbow, to get some space. Moron!
How do you know that's what happened? You haven't seen the play.

[mardigan]

Even the thread starter was smart enough to bail on this, cause he is actually a smart poster for the most part.

[mavsfan1000]

Dirk didn't know how close Lebron was. His back was towards him. Dirk does his usual pump fake from midrange and Lebron got too close. The end.

[LakeShow]

nice comeback lakerfan. you are truly brilliant.

Now go ask your mom to turn your 6 inch tv on and watch ESPN until you actually see basketball. then come back. idiot

I'll wake your mom up and tell her to do it, after she fixes me my chicken pot pie! Bitch!

[hater]

yes Lebronze's big unclutch nose was in the way

[mardigan]

Damn right, I can swing insults just like you morons.
Your are really making my day right now, I dont even think I have insulted you, just telling you like it is. You whine, so I call you a whiner, you dont listen to well spoken arguments, so I call you dense, you ask to show you where it talks about intent in the rule book, I bust it out. I really just cant believe that you dont get this

[mardigan]

I'll wake your mom up and tell her to do it, after she fixes me my chicken pot pie! Bitch!
What are you like 12?

[LakeShow]

Someone please ban Lakeshow1 if he is still trying to argue this. He hasn't even seen the play and yet he keeps arguing. :wtf

Pussy!

[LakeShow]

Your are really making my day right now, I dont even think I have insulted you, just telling you like it is. You whine, so I call you a whiner, you dont listen to well spoken arguments, so I call you dense, you ask to show you where it talks about intent in the rule book, I bust it out. I really just cant believe that you dont get this

Oh I get it but my argument was his elbow was ruled a foul, how is that sportmanship? It should have been no call.

[mavsfan1000]

Pussy!
fagit

[mardigan]

Pussy!
You got nothing huh?

[LEONARD]

Ban

[LakeShow]

Just like I thought, no explanation on why a foul was called if it was as you bitches say, a basketball move.

[mardigan]

Just like I thought, no explanation on why a foul was called if it was as you bitches say, a basketball move.
Cause it can still be an offensive foul if it is a accidental elbow, but not suspension worthy

[mavsfan1000]

Just like I thought, no explanation on why a foul was called if it was as you bitches say, a basketball move.
I already gave you an explanations. Dirk does his signature move with his back to the basket and pump fakes and instead of Lebron jumping up like most do he sticks his face in there. It was a big surprise to Dirk that Lebron was willing to take a elbow to get the ball back.

[phyzik]

Oh I get it but my argument was his elbow was ruled a foul, how is that sportmanship? It should have been no call.

ya.....

just like a travelling violation is unsportsman like

just like a kickball is unsportsman like

just like palming is unsportsman like




your really reaching for something that just isnt there.

[Kori Ellis]

Faggot, thats why he uesed his elbow, to get some space. Moron!

307 posts of idiocy.

That's enough.

Bring something to the table or find your way out of the forum, thanks.

[LakeShow]

ya.....

just like a travelling violation is unsportsman like

just like a kickball is unsportsman like

just like palming is unsportsman like




your really reaching for something that just isnt there.

Im not reaching, like I said, i dont believe any player should be suspended for that.

We're not talking about that other stuff, we're talking about an elbow to the face. Those things you listed are not suspendable infractions. Any contact above the shoulders is.

[mardigan]

If Its Unsportsman Like What Dont You Understand About That?

[mavsfan1000]

Dirk extends his elbow to hit someone in the face it is suspendable. If Dirk does his routine offensive move and someone puts their face in the way and Dirk doesn't extend his elbow than it isn't suspendable. I know you got pride and don't want to lose an argument but please do it on another thread. This thread has already been lossed for you.

[LakeShow]

307 posts of idiocy.

That's enough.

Bring something to the table or find your way out of the forum, thanks.


Bring something to the table? Please! An elbow is an elbow, I dont care what the circumstances!

[phyzik]

Im not reaching, like I said, i dont believe any player should be suspended for that.

We're not talking about that other stuff, we're talking about an elbow to the face. Those things you listed are not suspendable infractions. Any contact above the shoulders is.

f. An elbow foul is making contact with the elbow in an unsportsmanlike manner whether the ball is dead or alive.

Unsportsmanlike conduct (or unsporting behaviour, or archaically ungentlemanly conduct): a term used in most professional sports to refer to a particular player or team who have acted inappropriately and/or unprofessionally in the context of the game.

Dirk did not act inappropriately, he did not elbow with INTENT.

Kobe, after review from the NBA, did.

[mardigan]

Now its 309 posts of idiocy. I really cant believe how dense you are. If you cant realize that there is a difference between sportsmanlike and unsportsmanlike, than you truly are an idiot

[mardigan]

f. An elbow foul is making contact with the elbow in an unsportsmanlike manner whether the ball is dead or alive.

Unsportsmanlike conduct (or unsporting behaviour, or archaically ungentlemanly conduct): a term used in most professional sports to refer to a particular player or team who have acted inappropriately and/or unprofessionally in the context of the game.

Dirk did not act inappropriately, he did not elbow with INTENT.

Kobe, after review, did.
I already showed him the rule book, he still didnt get it, I think he might be 12

[LEONARD]

307 posts of idiocy.

That's enough.

Bring something to the table or find your way out of the forum, thanks.

Game over...Lakeshow1 loses.... :lol :lol :lol

[LakeShow]

f. An elbow foul is making contact with the elbow in an unsportsmanlike manner whether the ball is dead or alive.

Unsportsmanlike conduct (or unsporting behaviour, or archaically ungentlemanly conduct): a term used in most professional sports to refer to a particular player or team who have acted inappropriately and/or unprofessionally in the context of the game.

Dirk did not act inappropriately, he did not elbow with INTENT.

Kobe, after review from the NBA, did.

Oh the old INTENT definition. Who determines INTENT? How convenient. Kobe did not intend to elbow Manu either. Shit happens!

[mardigan]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/sethhoward/th_images-2.jpg (http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/sethhoward/images-2.jpg)

Sorry terrorists, you lose

[mardigan]

Oh the old INTENT definition. Who determines INTENT? How convenient. Kobe did not intend to elbow Manu either. Shit happens!
I believed that myself until he DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO JARIC. Thats when I realized it was intentional

[mavsfan1000]

Oh the old INTENT definition. Who determines INTENT? How convenient. Kobe did not intend to elbow Manu either. Shit happens!
What was Kobe intending to do when he extended that elbow than? It was not like Manu was close to his elbow.

[LakeShow]

I believed that myself until he DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO JARIC. Thats when I realized it was intentional

Okay, lets say Jaric was intentional, although Jaric himself did not believe it to be and the league suspends Kobe, it was no justification for the Manu suspension because it was the first warning about him flinging his arms to clear space and get the ball back. What's the difference between that first infraction and Dirks elbow? Forget about the intent because none of us can say what was going on in those players mind at the time

[ponky]

4 pages? GOI

[mardigan]

4 pages? GOI
Ponky, quick, look away, before you become dumber talking to this fool

[LakeShow]

Ponky, quick, look away, before you become dumber talking to this fool

Great answer! Just like I thought, You have nothing but ignorance going for you!

[mavsfan1000]

Please Lakeshow1 ignore this thread. You are going to get banned if you are consistently looking to fight with other members. I'm sure you know what Kobe did with his elbow. He of course denies it like he did with the rape case. lol

[mardigan]

Wow, I cant believe you just called me ignorant. Maybe you should take Kobes balls out of your mouth so you can say something worth a shit. You do realize that everyone on this thread thinks you are about the stupidest person any of us have ever heard. Its almost comical to me that this thread has been able to go on this long without you making one valid point. 312 posts of idiocy and counting

[ponky]

Ponky, quick, look away, before you become dumber talking to this fool

lol, i'm not getting into it right now with any foo', i'm playing halo2 on xbox live and just waiting for some games to start!

[LakeShow]

Wow, I cant believe you just called me ignorant. Maybe you should take Kobes balls out of your mouth so you can say something worth a shit. You do realize that everyone on this thread thinks you are about the stupidest person any of us have ever heard. Its almost comical to me that this thread has been able to go on this ling without you making one valid point. 312 posts of idiocy and counting

Oh right, slide right by the question, with out the mind reading excuse of saying what was intentional or not, you have nothing!. I don't give a shit about anyone on this board. Answer the question, moron. If you can

[LakeShow]

Please Lakeshow1 ignore this thread. You are going to get banned if you are consistently looking to fight with other members. I'm sure you know what Kobe did with his elbow. He of course denies it like he did with the rape case. lol

I know it's probably inevitable because I don't agree with the homers on this board, but whatever. Even the moderater comes out with insults.

Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

[phyzik]

Oh right, slide right by the question, with out the mind reading excuse of saying what was intentional or not, you have nothing!. I don't give a shit about anyone on this board. Answer the question, moron. If you can

What question hasnt been answered already?

[mardigan]

Okay, lets say Jaric was intentional, although Jaric himself did not believe it to be and the league suspends Kobe, it was no justification for the Manu suspension because it was the first warning about him flinging his arms to clear space and get the ball back. What's the difference between that first infraction and Dirks elbow? Forget about the intent because none of us can say what was going on in those players mind at the time
YOU HAVENT EVEN SEEN THE FUCKING PLAY! Ive been trying my hardest to be cordial, but you are a fucking moron. You are arguing about a Dirk play you didnt see. And who can tell intent? My fucking eyes! Ive played and watched basketball my whole life and never seen anyone do what Kobe did, and if someone did that to me, we would be fighting. Dirks foul was almost a questionable call in the first place, Kobe was swinging looking for contact.

[mardigan]

I know it's probably inevitable because I don't agree with the homers on this board, but whatever. Even the moderater comes out with insults.

Don't dish it out if you can't take it.
Your calling us homers? You realize Im a Spur fan and I hate Dirk right? You realize that you sound like the ultimate homer of all time right? You realize that you havent said anything except intent, intent, intent, like some kind of fucking Dustin Hoffman Rainman retard that cant say anythin else right? And dont talk shit about Kori, she only comes down on people that make this board worse

[LakeShow]

YOU HAVENT EVEN SEEN THE FUCKING PLAY! Ive been trying my hardest to be cordial, but you are a fucking moron. You are arguing about a Dirk play you didnt see. And who can tell intent? My fucking eyes! Ive played and watched basketball and never seen anyone do what Kobe did, and if someone did that to me, we would be fighting. Dirks foul was almost a questionable call in the first place, Kobe was swinging looking for contact.

Your eyes can tell intent? :rolleyes and you call me a moron? :blah

Dirk was whistled for a foul. Why, if it was nothing wrong with what he did?

[Shank]

I haven't played Halo 2 in forever.

Anyone up for some later? Maybe Crackdown or Vegas?

[LakeShow]

What question hasnt been answered already?

this is what I asked,

Okay, lets say Jaric was intentional, although Jaric himself did not believe it to be and the league suspends Kobe, it was no justification for the Manu suspension because it was the first warning about him flinging his arms to clear space and get the ball back. What's the difference between that first infraction and Dirks elbow? Forget about the intent because none of us can say what was going on in those players mind at the time

[mavsfan1000]

Please ban Lakeshow1. I would so enjoy his ass to be banned.

[mardigan]

Your eyes can tell intent? :rolleyes and you call me a moron? :blah

Dirk was whistled for a foul. Why, if it was nothing wrong with what he did?
What else would you use your eyes for if not to look at things and decide what they are? Thats how I know that the sky is blue, and that bananas are yellow, and that Kobe swung his arm out like a little bitch.

[LakeShow]

YOU HAVENT EVEN SEEN THE FUCKING PLAY! Ive been trying my hardest to be cordial, but you are a fucking moron. You are arguing about a Dirk play you didnt see. And who can tell intent? My fucking eyes! Ive played and watched basketball my whole life and never seen anyone do what Kobe did, and if someone did that to me, we would be fighting. Dirks foul was almost a questionable call in the first place, Kobe was swinging looking for contact.

You have? I didn't notice. I too have played the game and I know elbows can occur at any time. Most of the time you'll get them for reaching in. As a player you learn how to avoid that contact.

Dirks foul was almost a questionable call.

:lol Now thats dumb! Almost a questionable call.

[mardigan]

You have? I didn't notice. I too have played the game and I know elbows can occur at any time. Most of the time you'll get them for reaching in. As a player you learn how to avoid that contact.

Dirks foul was almost a questionable call.

:lol Now thats dumb! Almost a questionable call.
Yea, reaching in, not trying to defend a jumpshot. And yea, it was almost a questionable call, because it could have gone either way, could have been a reaching foul

[td4mvp21]

You have? I didn't notice. I too have played the game and I know elbows can occur at any time. Most of the time you'll get them for reaching in. As a player you learn how to avoid that contact.

Dirks foul was almost a questionable call.

:lol Now thats dumb! Almost a questionable call.
My God, would you shut the fuck up already. No one fucking cares, Dirk didn't mean to, Kobe did. How hard is that to fucking understand? Holy shit, you're a dumbass.

[ponky]

My God, would you shut the fuck up already. No one fucking cares, Dirk didn't mean to, Kobe did. How hard is that to fucking understand? Holy shit, you're a dumbass.

:lol :lol :lol playoffs can't come soon enough!

[LakeShow]

My God, would you shut the fuck up already. No one fucking cares, Dirk didn't mean to, Kobe did. How hard is that to fucking understand? Holy shit, you're a dumbass.

Cause you say so? :lol for people not to care, Im sure getting a lot of responses.

More insults huh, since the moderator came out and insulted me, that makes it ok for the rest of you idiots to do so. Fuck you!

[mavsfan1000]

Cause you say so? :lol for people not to care, Im sure getting a lot of responses.

More insults huh, since the moderator came out and insulted me, that makes it ok for the rest of you idiots to do so. Fuck you!
My guess is at this point you really don't care if Dirk gets suspended. You just enjoy seeing us get pissed off. Am I right?

[td4mvp21]

Cause you say so? :lol for people not to care, Im sure getting a lot of responses.

More insults huh, since the moderator came out and insulted me, that makes it ok for the rest of you idiots to do so. Fuck you!

Poor thing! Maybe if YOU weren't the one being such a damn homer, no one would call you out on it.

[td4mvp21]

:lol :lol :lol playoffs can't come soon enough!

AMEN!!

[mardigan]

Cause you say so? :lol for people not to care, Im sure getting a lot of responses.

More insults huh, since the moderator came out and insulted me, that makes it ok for the rest of you idiots to do so. Fuck you!
Like I said, you must be like 12, cause no one else could be this dumb, I think you just want to piss us off.

[LakeShow]

My guess is at this point you really don't care if Dirk gets suspended. You just enjoy seeing us get pissed off. Am I right?

I said that I did not want to see Dirk suspended nor any player for such trivia bullshit. I really dont care about pissing anyone off because i do not agree with their perception on the elbow to face rule.

[mardigan]

I really thought showing you what it says in the actuall rule book would shut you up, but I guess you just really dont get it

[mavsfan1000]

Ok you are still pissed Kobe got suspended. I'm glad we cleared that up. What did you think about Malone's elbow to Steve Nash than?

[LakeShow]

Like I said, you must be like 12, cause no one else could be this dumb, I think you just want to piss us off.

You're starting to bore me! :sleep

[LakeShow]

Ok you are still pissed Kobe got suspended. I'm glad we cleared that up. What did you think about Malone's elbow to Steve Nash than?

It was flagrant, imo. He should have been suspended!

[mardigan]

You're starting to bore me! :sleep
Well then leave

[mavsfan1000]

It was flagrant, imo. He should have been suspended!
Well that is why they have that rule. Kobe's wasn't as quite as obvious but still there was no reason to extend that far with his elbow. It was definitely questionable if that's what you want to hear.

[mardigan]

He left, thank god, this thread can die out now

[LakeShow]

Well that is why they have that rule. Kobe's wasn't as quite as obvious but still there was no reason to extend that far with his elbow. It was definitely questionable if that's what you want to hear.

That is what I wanted to hear. If it is questionable it should not have been a suspension, if we are suspending players for questionable calls, it should extend to all players.

ok I'm done, going home for the day. Have a good day! :toast

[mardigan]

Look its your opinion that it wasnt on purpose, and thats fine. Its mine that it was, and thats fine, but at least have some info to back up your statments other than who can tell intent, because obviously, someone can

[dirk4mvp]

I haven't played Halo 2 in forever.

Anyone up for some later? Maybe Crackdown or Vegas?


What about Gears? I'd be up for that.

[Shank]

I've got a friend borrowing Gears. I'm thinking I'll just watch some NCAA and "The Riches" on Tivo tonight.

[greywheel]

Six damn pages and nobody could bother to find a clip.
Here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q9OYzh4w1s
Now, having seen it. It was weak.

[mardigan]

Six damn pages and nobody could bother to find a clip.
Here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q9OYzh4w1s
Now, having seen it. It was weak.
I looked for it earlier but couldnt find it. What did you typre in the search? I typed in Dirk elbows Lebron, and nothing came up, so they must have just recently put it up

[phyzik]

Six damn pages and nobody could bother to find a clip.
Here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q9OYzh4w1s
Now, having seen it. It was weak.


Having seen it again convinces me even more it was nothing.... if anything, at least from that angle, It looks like it maybe grazed Lebron's nose.... at most. definitely unintentional and a great flop by lebron (I mean that in the best way possible, he sold the shit out of it).


Then again, it could just be the angle...

*edit*

never mind, after pausing and playing repeatedly, I thought the first action where Dirk crosses his left arm past Lebrons face was the contact, it was dirks right elbow that got Lebron.... but still definitely the motion of shooting with lebron leaning WAY in.

[LEONARD]

Where's Lakeshow1 after seeing the clip?

He'll need a new username after this POS thread :lol

[greywheel]

I looked for it earlier but couldnt find it. What did you typre in the search? I typed in Dirk elbows Lebron, and nothing came up, so they must have just recently put it up

Just "Lebron" "Dirk", no "elbows". It had been up eight hours when I found it.

[LakeShow]

Where's Lakeshow1 after seeing the clip?

He'll need a new username after this POS thread :lol

:lol :lol :lol You asked for me, you got me. I'm not going to debate this but After seeing the clip I realize that I'm dealing with bias posters with no rational thinking. It's funny how we see two different things looking at the same picture. Dirk was in motion to shoot?? :lol Dirk didn't attempt to shoot until contact was made in hopes of drawing a foul. That could easily be considered an intentional elbow, he swung his elbows 180 degrees. He wasn't even facing the basket at the time of elbow. He was elbowing on the dribble as well. Lebron was crowding Dirk and he did what any other player would do, use his elbows to create space. The same exact thing that Kobe did. Does this warrant a suspension? not in my opinion, but neither did Kobe.

Dallas has nothing to worry about because the Cavs organization has too much class to send a video tape to the league whinning. Dallas and S.A are the only organizations that does that. :dramaquee

I want to apologize for some of the name calling but not the stance that I took on the elbow. Even though I didn't see it yesterday, now that I have seen it, I stand by my statements.

When Kobe elbowed Manu. This was the reason given for the suspension.



Here's the rule:

Officials have been instructed to eject a player who throws a punch, whether or not it connects, or an elbow which makes contact above shoulder level. If elbow contact is shoulder level or below, it shall be left to the discretion of the official as to whether the player is ejected. Even if a punch or an elbow goes undetected by the officials during the game, but is detected during a review of a videotape, that player will be penalized.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59123&page=3&pp=26

It was also stated that whether it was intentional or not, it is a violation! I based my argument on this so called rule. I guess Kori just made that up. Or that must be one of those KOBE RULES! This is how I can be so animated that it was an infraction without seeing it. :fro

[Medvedenko]

What's this thread all about...I'm too busy watching a guy average 58 points per game over the last 3 and reigning player of the week.

[LakeShow]

What's this thread all about...I'm too busy watching a guy average 58 points per game over the last 3 and reigning player of the week.

It started off about the elbow that Dirk threw and then it got ugly and turned into a insult thread.

[mardigan]

It started off about the elbow that Dirk threw and then it got ugly and turned into a insult thread.
You turned it into an insult thread. And you are just letting your Kobe homerism blind you from what is sportsman like and unsportsman like

[mavsfan1000]

What's this thread all about...I'm too busy watching a guy average 58 points per game over the last 3 and reigning player of the week.
I was too busy seeing Kobe heroically beating the best teams in the league by a huge margin. :lol

[LakeShow]

You turned it into an insult thread, and you still have nothing except Kobe homerism to understand the difference between sportsman
like and unsportsman like

I'm not even going there today. Whatever!

[mqywaaah]

Elbow from Dirk? What's this? A new Clint Eastwood flick similar to Letters from Iwo Jima? This shit aint even fuckin thread worthy.


Kobe gets a lot of attention due to the fact that he is a rapis... err... I mean a great player. So get over it. The NBA isnt on a KOBE witch hunt. Dirk elbowing James' face wasnt even close to the word "Intentional." It was more of a James flop than a Dirk Flagrant. Fuck! :pctoss

[mardigan]

Yea, cause your insults got taken away and you have nothing if your not calling people faggots or pussys. 325 posts of idiocy and counting

[LakeShow]

Yea, cause your insults got taken away and you have nothing if your not calling people faggots or pussys. 325 posts of idiocy and counting

I just had a post that had none of that, Can't comment on that, can you?

Btw, it is nothing in that rule about sportmanship! It was said, intentional or not, it is a violation! so that doesnt come into play here.

[mqywaaah]

Yea, cause your insults got taken away and you have nothing if your not calling people faggots or pussys. 325 posts of idiocy and counting



Did you by any chance portray count Dracula's voice in the Sesame St. series? :toast

[mqywaaah]

I just had a post that had none of that, Can't comment on that, can you?

Btw, it is nothing in that rule about sportmanship! It was said, intentional or not, it is a violation! so that doesnt come into play here.




So WTF is your point? Get to it then!

[mardigan]

Did you by any chance portray count Dracula's voice in the Sesame St. series? :toast
1 bat, 2 bats, 3 bats!


http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s79/sethhoward/images-4.jpg

[mardigan]

I just had a post that had none of that, Can't comment on that, can you?

Btw, it is nothing in that rule about sportmanship! It was said, intentional or not, it is a violation! so that doesnt come into play here.
Yea, but what you dont seem to grasp is that there are different levels of dealing with a violation, a foul, a flagrant, a ejection, or in Kobes case, a well deserved suspension

[mabber]

So WTF is your point? Get to it then!

He made his point in post #141. He even apologized for all the name-calling so why don't we just let this thread die :rolleyes

No one seems to agree with his point so we can move on.

[mFFL03]

::yawn::

No one is getting suspended, anyone knows that if you are playing bearhug defense, this is bound to happen. Besides it was an offensive foul against dirk anyway. In real time it looked like he took a swipe, but it's one of his normal moves.

On another note, Anyone going to the MLG in Dallas this year. I wanted to get a Halo team together, but I think all the space is sold out just to play. I could be wrong ,but if that's true, that sucks.

[mqywaaah]

No! I refuse this thread to die. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ! Dont Die on me now! Pls for the love of god, saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


j/k :lmao

[LEONARD]

:lol :lol :lol You asked for me, you got me. I'm not going to debate this but After seeing the clip I realize that I'm dealing with bias posters with no rational thinking. It's funny how we see two different things looking at the same picture. Dirk was in motion to shoot?? :lol Dirk didn't attempt to shoot until contact was made in hopes of drawing a foul. That could easily be considered an intentional elbow, he swung his elbows 180 degrees. He wasn't even facing the basket at the time of elbow. He was elbowing on the dribble as well. Lebron was crowding Dirk and he did what any other player would do, use his elbows to create space. The same exact thing that Kobe did. Does this warrant a suspension? not in my opinion, but neither did Kobe.

Dallas has nothing to worry about because the Cavs organization has too much class to send a video tape to the league whinning. Dallas and S.A are the only organizations that does that. :dramaquee

I want to apologize for some of the name calling but not the stance that I took on the elbow. Even though I didn't see it yesterday, now that I have seen it, I stand by my statements.

When Kobe elbowed Manu. This was the reason given for the suspension.




http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59123&page=3&pp=26

It was also stated that whether it was intentional or not, it is a violation! I based my argument on this so called rule. I guess Kori just made that up. Or that must be one of those KOBE RULES! This is how I can be so animated that it was an infraction without seeing it. :fro

:drunk :smokin :hat

[mardigan]

Sometimes you gots to throw some bows

[LakeShow]

Sometimes you gots to throw some bows

Of course you do, or you'll be eaten alive. You have to get some players off of you.

I must say that I was impressed that Dirk even did that. He normally allows hisself to be bullied around. That showed heart, imo.