St. Louis Rams

[djohn14]

Thats my favorite team. They made big moves this off-season signing TE Randy McMichael, WR Drew Bennett, and LB Chris Draft. They also traded for DE James Hall. Hopefully in the draft they can get Amobi Okoye, DT, Pat Willis, LB, or Alan Branch, DT. If they get 1 of these 3 and have a solid all around draft, watch out.

[Pugglekicker_21]

They need Branch or akoye more than anything.

[T Park]

if they can pull off the trade for Kris Jenkis, and draft an Okoye, this team will win the division next year.


Focus on getting pass rushers, and getting a starting nosetackle that can help stuff the run.

If they can stop the run, the team would pick up 5 more wins..

[Dirk Nowitzki]

The curse of Dick Vermeil is still in effect!

[Fillmoe]

this team will win the division next year.


http://www.1077thebone.com/49ers/images/logo.gif

[Pugglekicker_21]

Kris Jenkins....plus Okoye, or even a Branch, if he stops looking so shitty, and the Rams are probaly unstoppable. unless they'd rather have another CB, which id think is a good move. If they take Jenkins and a DT, I look for them to go from 31st in run d to at least top 15.

[T Park]

if they do that, they blowout whoever else is close.

BTW Fillmoe, keep dreaming.

[scott]

Dreaming? Like the thinking the Rams will be "unstoppable"? You guys are hilarious.

The 49ers are much more in contention in that division than the Lambs.

[djohn14]

Dreaming? Like the thinking the Rams will be "unstoppable"? You guys are hilarious.

The 49ers are much more in contention in that division than the Lambs.

Listen Scotty, I know your still upset about Fiona and me doing it in the van every Sunday, she says she's at church but she dosen't go and she's on her knee's and now you know, but the 49ers, come on. They got Clements and Tully Banta-Cain. Thats a over-rated but decent corner, and a back-up LB. The Rams have Will Witherspoon who was adjusting to a new position last year, and a Pro Bowl snub in Leonard Little. He's a pass rushing machine. The Rams offense is now quite possibly the best in league, and if they get Kris Jenkins, then where is Frank Gore gonna run? Not up the middle. He can't just settle for being a east west runner, because the Rams have a fast D, which=a loss of yards. What now Scotty?

[djohn14]

Oh yeah, who would you rather have a young Alex Smith, who can't grip a football, or a mature, but not old, Pro Bowler in Marc Bulger?

[TheTruth]

Both teams are going to be solid, but not yet contenders. I still don't know if I like Alex Smith. He doesn't have much arm, but he's got good composure and makes good decisions. The Rams offense should be great. SJax is a complete monster and their receivers are as good as ever. But that is a bad defense. If they can somehow get Jenkins they may make a move towards the playoffs, but their Corners still suck.

[monosylab1k]

Oh yeah, who would you rather have a young Alex Smith, who can't grip a football, or a mature, but not old, Pro Bowler in Marc Bulger?

Marc Bulger = Matt Hasselbeck. Pretty numbers and he doesn't totally suck, but what the hell does he actually DO to help his team win?

[mardigan]

Marc Bulger = Matt Hasselbeck. Pretty numbers and he doesn't totally suck, but what the hell does he actually DO to help his team win?
Couldnt be more wrong, guy is a great qb, guy has been great since 04. And I think this team after finishing 8-8 last year could definately win the division. The 9ers or going to be way overhyped this year.

[djohn14]

Couldnt be more wrong, guy is a great qb, guy has been great since 04. And I think this team after finishing 8-8 last year could definately win the division. The 9ers or going to be way overhyped this year.

Thank you. Someone agrees.

[Fillmoe]

we will just have to wait til the end of the season... :)

[djohn14]

we will just have to wait til the end of the season... :)


True

[T Park]

If they can acquire jenkins, and get a corner in the draft along with a nosetackle, they win the divison.

Case closed.

[Fillmoe]

If they can acquire jenkins, and get a corner in the draft along with a nosetackle, they win the divison.

Case closed.


if the Niners can sign Jesus and draft God we will win it all

[Vinnie_Johnson]

if the Niners can sign Jesus and draft God we will win it all

Won't fit under the cap and Jesus has lost a step.

[scott]

Listen Scotty, I know your still upset about Fiona and me doing it in the van every Sunday, she says she's at church but she dosen't go and she's on her knee's and now you know, but the 49ers, come on. They got Clements and Tully Banta-Cain. Thats a over-rated but decent corner, and a back-up LB. The Rams have Will Witherspoon who was adjusting to a new position last year, and a Pro Bowl snub in Leonard Little. He's a pass rushing machine. The Rams offense is now quite possibly the best in league, and if they get Kris Jenkins, then where is Frank Gore gonna run? Not up the middle. He can't just settle for being a east west runner, because the Rams have a fast D, which=a loss of yards. What now Scotty?

Fantastic reference... but you are basically telling me that Kris Jenkins, who had a decent year coming back from back-to-back injuries, but still not decent enough for a team who was only so-so against the run to want him back... you are telling me this guy is going to fix your pathetic run D (second to last in the league)? Get real.

Then we have T Fark over here saying that Kris Jenkins and some rookie CB are going to turn your pathetic D into a top-5, unstoppable monster? Reality check time, fellas.

By the way, I could give a shit about the Rams or the Niners, but I think the Niners have more potential to cause havoc in that division, but I see 9-7 as the upper limit for both this year.

[djohn14]

Now I'm not saying Jenkins would fix it, but he would really make it better. If the Rams had a sure tackling team then he would fix it. If he started to stuff someone up the middle, and they had to run outside, it's still not a sure thing the Rams would tackle them. However, I do expect them to be better.

[monosylab1k]

I still don't see them doing anything with Bulger at QB. Anybody that's got Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt to throw to is gonna look halfway decent. And their biggest problem last year was that they didn't run it with Jackson nearly enough...unless they scale Bulger's role way back and turn him into a handoff artist, I really don't like the Rams chances.

[mardigan]

I still don't see them doing anything with Bulger at QB. Anybody that's got Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt to throw to is gonna look halfway decent. And their biggest problem last year was that they didn't run it with Jackson nearly enough...unless they scale Bulger's role way back and turn him into a handoff artist, I really don't like the Rams chances.
First off, Bruce is in his 13th or 14th year. Yea, he is a great route runner, but you have to have a qb to make those good throws. And bro, Jackson was third in the league in rushing attempts and 5th in rushing yards, how much more you want the Rams to give it to him? All I know is, that offense is going to be one of the better offenses we have seen in awhile next year, they just got to get that d fixed. If they do, like i said, its not stupid to think after they won 8 games last year they cant win two more this year. Especially since last year they lost 2 games to the Seahawks on last second fgs, hell they probably should have gotten in last year.

[Fillmoe]

dont give me that anyone that has isaac bruce and torry holt is gonna be half decent excuse..... the cardinals have had fitzgerald and boldin together for 3 years.... and they never had a decent qb until now.

[djohn14]

dont give me that anyone that has isaac bruce and torry holt is gonna be half decent excuse..... the cardinals have had fitzgerald and boldin together for 3 years.... and they never had a decent qb until now.

That is a really, really good one!

[T Park]

Yeah that Bulger guy who was in the top 5 QBs least aount of INts thrown

[monosylab1k]

dont give me that anyone that has isaac bruce and torry holt is gonna be half decent excuse..... the cardinals have had fitzgerald and boldin together for 3 years.... and they never had a decent qb until now.

they also don't have an O-Line. and if ur putting boldin/fitzgerald on the level of bruce/holt you're fucking insane.

you're not winning shit with marc bulger. bottom line.

[monosylab1k]

Yeah that Bulger guy who was in the top 5 QBs least aount of INts thrown

david carr didn't throw too many INT's last year either. you want him as your QB?

marc bulger can put up all the pretty looking numbers he wants and go to all the Pro Bowls in the world, his team hasn't won dick with him at QB and they never will. The guy's not a leader or a winner. I'd take about 15 or 20 QB's over Bulger.

[monosylab1k]

And bro, Jackson was third in the league in rushing attempts and 5th in rushing yards, how much more you want the Rams to give it to him?

look at his numbers in Rams wins, and then in Rams losses. it's pretty clear that when they give it to Jackson, they win, and when they put the game in Bulger's hands, they lose.

i would bet my life savings that the Rams dont' make the playoffs this year. 7-9 at best.

[djohn14]

look at his numbers in Rams wins, and then in Rams losses. it's pretty clear that when they give it to Jackson, they win, and when they put the game in Bulger's hands, they lose.

i would bet my life savings that the Rams dont' make the playoffs this year. 7-9 at best.

Bottom line is that Bulger is an accurate QB who won't through it up for grabs. They have good O-tackles in Orlando Pace and Alex Barron, it's just the interior. They have good potential as well. Oh yeah bud, if your serious about your life savings, I'd be more than happy to take it off your hands.

[mardigan]

look at his numbers in Rams wins, and then in Rams losses. it's pretty clear that when they give it to Jackson, they win, and when they put the game in Bulger's hands, they lose.

i would bet my life savings that the Rams dont' make the playoffs this year. 7-9 at best.
Wrong again. The only game were he had under 18 carries in a loss was against the Panthers, other than that, he had over 18 carries in every game, and that doesnt include his receptions in those games, wich were very high. If they gave him the ball much more than they do, his career wouldnt last very long. Your starting to make me think that you dont watch any football with your bashing of Bulger and claim that Jackson didnt get the ball enough.

[monosylab1k]

Wrong again. The only game were he had under 18 carries in a loss was against the Panthers, other than that, he had over 18 carries in every game, and that doesnt include his receptions in those games, wich were very high. If they gave him the ball much more than they do, his career wouldnt last very long. Your starting to make me think that you dont watch any football with your bashing of Bulger and claim that Jackson didnt get the ball enough.

way to spin the numbers...

Jackson's attempts when the Rams win - 22,24,22,23,23,31,33,25
Jackson's attempts when the Rams lose - 22,20,18,19,18,7,21,18

Bulger's pass attempts when the Rams win - 34,31,42,28,34,22,38,30
Bulger's pass attempts when the Rams lose - 34,39,40,42,40,34,45,55

if you can't see the obvious discrepancies in there, you're fucking blind. more carries for Jackson + less passes by Bulger generally = Rams win. the other way around is almost always a loss.

why don't you tell me what Bulger has accomplished in the NFL that makes you think he's so fucking great? His stellar playoff history? for all those pretty ass regular season numbers, he hasn't exactly torn it up in the playoffs in the few times he's actually gotten there.

[djohn14]

way to spin the numbers...

Jackson's attempts when the Rams win - 22,24,22,23,23,31,33,25
Jackson's attempts when the Rams lose - 22,20,18,19,18,7,21,18

Bulger's pass attempts when the Rams win - 34,31,42,28,34,22,38,30
Bulger's pass attempts when the Rams lose - 34,39,40,42,40,34,45,55

if you can't see the obvious discrepancies in there, you're fucking blind. more carries for Jackson + less passes by Bulger generally = Rams win. the other way around is almost always a loss.

why don't you tell me what Bulger has accomplished in the NFL that makes you think he's so fucking great? His stellar playoff history? for all those pretty ass regular season numbers, he hasn't exactly torn it up in the playoffs in the few times he's actually gotten there.

Do you know why this is little boy? It's because when the Rams don't hand it off, It's pretty easy to step back and defend the pass because you know whats gonna happen. Once again, he was in the top five in the league in least amount of interceptions. Bottom line for the eight time, he has to be good if the D knows he's gonna pass and still can't pick it off. Also, I'm serious about the life savings.

[mardigan]

How about this then, Jacksons total touches in those losses

24, 27, 21, 32, 24, 14, 30, 28, a lot of fucking touches. Regardless of what you think about Bulger, they cant give the ball to Jackson 30 times every game with no backup, he wouldnt last the season. I think your looking past his 90 receptions last year, guy almost had 1000 yards recieving, I dont see how you dont understand that you cant just give the ball 30 to 40 times a game to one back. He was 3rd in the league in carries, how do you not understand that there wasnt much more the guy could do?
And as far as you Bulger question, why dont you tell me what he hasnt done?
Guy was top 10 in qb rating,percentage, ypa, top 5 in tds, yards, and in least amout of ints thrown. Again, how much better do you want him to play? Maybe if he hadnt gotten sacked second most times in the league (49), he could have put up even better numbers than the great numbers he already put up. And you realize that their are things called matchups right? You really think the Rams would run the ball as much against Chicago, SanDiego, Carolina and Seattle as they would against say, Oakland or Washington. Matchups are better passing against those teams.

[mardigan]

And by the way, he is 1 and 1 in his playoff games with a 99 qb rating, 4 to 2 tds to ints, and over 600 yards, pretty good playoff stats. If the Rams could get a line and keep him from getting sacked, his numbers would be even better.

[monosylab1k]

And as far as you Bulger question, why dont you tell me what he hasnt done?

Shit. That's what he hasn't done.

been to the playoffs twice with a 1-2 record. also had his fair share of .500 or less seasons. what's the point of having such a great TD-to-INT ratio when you can't LEAD YOUR TEAM TO VICTORY more than 8 times a year?

plus, he's a product of the Mike Martz system, which is a ridiculously flawed offensive system comparable to what Don Nelson does in basketball. Sure, it won a Super Bowl, but with one of top 5 greatest RB's ever. I'm sure Don Nelson could have won a title with Michael Jordan.

[monosylab1k]

And by the way, he is 1 and 1 in his playoff games with a 99 qb rating, 4 to 2 tds to ints, and over 600 yards, pretty good playoff stats. If the Rams could get a line and keep him from getting sacked, his numbers would be even better.

you forgot his first playoff game vs. carolina where he threw 0 TD's and 3 INT's. look it up.

[mardigan]

Well they didnt run Martz sytem last year, so thats out. Second, that Panthers game was against a team that got to the SB and almost won, and Bulger was in his first year starting, pretty much a rookie, and not many teams do well against a great defense when you have to throw the ball damn near 50 times, and you dont have a productive back, only reason they got in the playoffs that year was Bulger. But , I already thought your football views were jaded after I heard you say that the Raiders tanked last year. :lol

[mardigan]

Shit. That's what he hasn't done.

been to the playoffs twice with a 1-2 record. also had his fair share of .500 or less seasons. what's the point of having such a great TD-to-INT ratio when you can't LEAD YOUR TEAM TO VICTORY more than 8 times a year?

plus, he's a product of the Mike Martz system, which is a ridiculously flawed offensive system comparable to what Don Nelson does in basketball. Sure, it won a Super Bowl, but with one of top 5 greatest RB's ever. I'm sure Don Nelson could have won a title with Michael Jordan.
I hate to say it, but this is a SPurdynasty argument similair to the Dwight Howard one. You cant giive me one actually good reason why he sucks even though the stats, NFL GM's and players say otherwise. If you think he sucks personally , thats fine, but dont act like dedicated NFL fans are going to agree with you. Yea, he hasnt led his team all the way, he has only been to the playoffs twice, and the first time was hoplessly outmatched. You really have no other offering to show me why he sucks.

[djohn14]

I've heard plenty of GM's say he is the most accurate QB they have ever seen!!! Thats pretty good for someone who sucks.

[mardigan]

I've heard plenty of GM's say he is the most accurate QB they have ever seen!!! Thats pretty good for someone who sucks.
Its also pretty good for a former 6th round pick who's team was 4th in the league in passing offense. And Mono, I will give you that the Rams need to run the ball more, they were around 22nd in the league in rushing attempts last year. But until they get another back who can take carries off of Jackson, they will still have to throw it quite a bit.

[djohn14]

I hear there looking at Chris Henry out of Arizona in RD 4 to be his backup.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

The curse of vermiel is still haunting the rams today!! :clap :clap

[monosylab1k]

You really have no other offering to show me why he sucks.

Is there any other game where intangibles play a bigger role than in football? Why is the all-mysterious "it" such a huge factor in football? Tom Brady has "it", Peyton Manning has "it", Vince Young has "it". And Marc Bulger doesn't. Again, I show that he rarely makes the playoffs, and when there, he has a losing record.....and you want MORE proof than that?

Like I said before, pretty numbers don't mean shit in football. Larry Johnson can rack up all the 150+ yard games he wants to, I'd still take about 15 other RB's before I take him. Why? Because other RB's are gonna get me the yards when it MATTERS. Same with Bulger. I don't trust for one second that Bulger is gonna make the perfect throw when it matters.

In pure ability to throw a football, Marc Bulger probably more talented than Brady. But one guy's got three rings and the other one doesn't. And throw the "bill belichick" bullshit out the window...Brady's still the one running the two minute drill at the end of the Super Bowl. One guy's leading his team to the AFC Championship game even though his offense is vastly inferior and his defense is old and slow, and the other guy is sitting at home with a HOF WR on side, a Top-5 receiver on the other, and a Pro Bowl RB lining up behind him as his team goes 8-8.

Bulger's not a winner, plain and simple. And Martz isn't the head coach, but if you don't think that pass-happy offense isn't still using the Martz philosophies, you're the one that's lacking in football acumen.

So take all your stats and arm strength and accuracy and shove em all up your ass. If winning is the bottom line, Bulger doesn't match up to the top QB's in the league by a LONG SHOT.

[DNS Error]

I'd take MArc bulger, but that;'s because I have no QB for my team right now. And hopw exactly would Larry Johnson not get the yards when it matters?

His line is old, but he's the second guy after LT that I'd want in crunch time.

[mardigan]

Like I said before, pretty numbers don't mean shit in football. Larry Johnson can rack up all the 150+ yard games he wants to, I'd still take about 15 other RB's before I take him. Why? Because other RB's are gonna get me the yards when it MATTERS. Same with Bulger. I don't trust for one second that Bulger is gonna make the perfect throw when it matters.

In pure ability to throw a football, Marc Bulger probably more talented than Brady. But one guy's got three rings and the other one doesn't. And throw the "bill belichick" bullshit out the window...Brady's still the one running the two minute drill at the end of the Super Bowl. One guy's leading his team to the AFC Championship game even though his offense is vastly inferior and his defense is old and slow, and the other guy is sitting at home with a HOF WR on side, a Top-5 receiver on the other, and a Pro Bowl RB lining up behind him as his team goes 8-8.

First of all you dont have to start with the shove it up your ass stuff just because your wrong. Second of all, if your really trying to tell me that the Pats defense isnt as good as the Rams, you dont know anything about football. Thirdly, you say throw all of the Bellichek stuff out the window, but not the Martz. So its okay to be a product of the system when it helps your argument. And fourth, LJ had more fourth quarter rushing yards then LT, Gore, and Stephen Jackson,and Tiki Barber, with more 4th quarter tds than any of those guys except LT. Another sign that you dont know shit about the NFL, just like to say things without any information for your argument.

[mardigan]

Is there any other game where intangibles play a bigger role than in football? Why is the all-mysterious "it" such a huge factor in football? Tom Brady has "it", Peyton Manning has "it", Vince Young has "it". And Marc Bulger doesn't. Again, I show that he rarely makes the playoffs, and when there, he has a losing record.....and you want MORE proof than that?
HAHA! Worst argument ever! Bulger has only been a starter for 4 years, and last year he only played half of the season. And before this season Peyton had a 3 and 6 record, I guess you thought he sucked to before the year. I dont know why you dont understand that them not getting into the playoffs isnt just Bulgers fault.

[monosylab1k]

First of all you dont have to start with the shove it up your ass stuff just because your wrong. Second of all, if your really trying to tell me that the Pats defense isnt as good as the Rams, you dont know anything about football. Thirdly, you say throw all of the Bellichek stuff out the window, but not the Martz. So its okay to be a product of the system when it helps your argument. And fourth, LJ had more fourth quarter rushing yards then LT, Gore, and Stephen Jackson,and Tiki Barber, with more 4th quarter tds than any of those guys except LT. Another sign that you dont know shit about the NFL, just like to say things without any information for your argument.

What did LJ do in the playoffs? Again, he can get all the fuckin' yards in the world, but if I need one play, just one play where failure is not an option, there's 15 other backs i'll take before Larry Johnson. For all those Dynasty signs he throws up, he's never done it when his team really needs it.

What did Marc Bulger do in the playoffs? Oh yeah, he wasn't in them.

And Bulger never transcended his place as a system QB. Brady has.

And never did I say that the Patriots defense was worse than the Rams. I just said that the defense is old and slow, right? Or did you not even fuckin read it? Where in the hell did I EVER say the Rams defense was better?

Learn to fucking read. I post in other NFL forums so I rarely do it here, but don't go around fuckin dissing my NFL knowlege right off the bat. I'll fucking take this board over if you're gonna go talking that kind of shit. If you seriously think the Raiders didn't just give it up last season and not even put forth an effort, and now you're trying to convince me that Marc Bulger is a top QB? This NFL Forum is going to be so easy to take over if this is the weak ass shit that goes on.

[monosylab1k]

I dont know why you dont understand that them not getting into the playoffs isnt just Bulgers fault.

Name one "great" QB that misses the playoffs consistently? Every great QB may have an aberration season here or there, but the vast majority consistently take their teams to the playoffs over and over.

Seriously, who the fuck is gonna stick up for Marc Fucking Bulger this much? A dude that hasn't done jack fucking shit ever and is now a 30 year old middle of the road QB who is in a system that allows him to throw for shitloads of yards, not to mention the fact that he's got Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt to throw to.

[monosylab1k]

Seriously, fantasy football has fucked people's minds up when it comes to football. Now a guy that leads his team to an 8-8 record IN THE NFC becomes a great player simply cuz he throws for 4300 worthless ass yards.

[mardigan]

What did LJ do in the playoffs? Again, he can get all the fuckin' yards in the world, but if I need one play, just one play where failure is not an option, there's 15 other backs i'll take before Larry Johnson. For all those Dynasty signs he throws up, he's never done it when his team really needs it.

What did Marc Bulger do in the playoffs? Oh yeah, he wasn't in them.

And Bulger never transcended his place as a system QB. Brady has.

And never did I say that the Patriots defense was worse than the Rams. I just said that the defense is old and slow, right? Or did you not even fuckin read it? Where in the hell did I EVER say the Rams defense was better?

Learn to fucking read. I post in other NFL forums so I rarely do it here, but don't go around fuckin dissing my NFL knowlege right off the bat. I'll fucking take this board over if you're gonna go talking that kind of shit. If you seriously think the Raiders didn't just give it up last season and not even put forth an effort, and now you're trying to convince me that Marc Bulger is a top QB? This NFL Forum is going to be so easy to take over if this is the weak ass shit that goes on.
When did I say he was a top qb in? All I said was that he was a really good qb, I didnt compare him to Brady or anyone, you did. Never said he was one of the best, so why dont you settle the fuck down and learn how to read. And thats great you post in other forums, dont act like your some fucking genius come in every once and a while to drop your knowledge on the state of the Rams. And take over the forum then with your vast knowledge, I dont give a fuck, I only post in here to try and bring info to the few NFL fans that are here. But you dont know shit, and the other forums you post in must be a bunch of mislead fans like you with no knowledge of what the fuck they are talking about. And you ask who likes Bulger that much? Not me, dont even really like him as a player, but I realize that he is damn good. Your arguments arent much better than a Spurdynasty argument. Dwight Howard is a fluke player because I said so=Marc Bulger sucks because I say so. I used to think you were pretty cool, but you got to get all pissy when someone disagrees with you, so fuck it

[monosylab1k]

LOL now you're just flip-flopping dude. first he's good, then you "don't even really like him as a player" then immediately after that he's "damn good"....so what the fuck is it? is he good or not? i've given plenty of proof (mainly the ultimate truth - WINS) if you don't want to look at it reasonably then go ahead and take 4000 yards a year packaged with a measly 8 fuckin' wins. good work. thank God you're not an NFL GM or you'd be job hunting on an annual basis.

[mardigan]

LOL now you're just flip-flopping dude. first he's good, then you "don't even really like him as a player" then immediately after that he's "damn good"....so what the fuck is it? is he good or not? i've given plenty of proof (mainly the ultimate truth - WINS) if you don't want to look at it reasonably then go ahead and take 4000 yards a year packaged with a measly 8 fuckin' wins. good work. thank God you're not an NFL GM or you'd be job hunting on an annual basis.
When have I ever flip flopped? I said he was a great qb, and followed it up by saying he was really good, same shit to me. And if I dont like a player, it doesnt mean he isnt good. I cant stand Donovon McNabb, doesnt mean he sucks. Yea, great proof with your wins argument, guess Carson Palmer sucks too then. And I guess you'll never get it though your head that wins and losses isnt a direct correlation to how good a qb is, ask the Bears. I guess you would be a great gm though, with your Larry Johnson and Marc Bulger suck, you would go a long way

[mardigan]

Oh yea, and the Raiders didnt tank, they were just god awfull, worst offense ever.

[djohn14]

I just want to point this out...remember Dan Marino? How many Superbowls did he win?

[djohn14]

Was it because he sucked? I think not.

[monosylab1k]

Was it because he sucked? I think not.

There's about 50 QB's in NFL history i'll take over Marino. The guy was a loser, plain and simple. Incredible talent, no doubt. But a total loser.

[monosylab1k]

And I guess you'll never get it though your head that wins and losses isnt a direct correlation to how good a qb is, ask the Bears. I guess you would be a great gm though, with your Larry Johnson and Marc Bulger suck, you would go a long way

Rex Grossman has led his team to a Super Bowl...can't say the same for Marcy Marc. Put Grossman on the Rams and they don't make the playoffs....but oh yeah they didn't even make it with Bulger, did they?

And as a GM I'll make it alot farther getting hard-nosed gamers and guys with a knack for winning than you will with selfish pricks out for their own personal stats and shitty system QB's.

[mardigan]

Rex Grossman has led his team to a Super Bowl...can't say the same for Marcy Marc. Put Grossman on the Rams and they don't make the playoffs....but oh yeah they didn't even make it with Bulger, did they?

And as a GM I'll make it alot farther getting hard-nosed gamers and guys with a knack for winning than you will with selfish pricks out for their own personal stats and shitty system QB's.
Blah blah blah, way to go GM, cant wait to see you take over the board

[mardigan]

There's about 50 QB's in NFL history i'll take over Marino. The guy was a loser, plain and simple. Incredible talent, no doubt. But a total loser.
Marino took his team to a Super Bowl as well. Spurdynasty of the NFL forum, well done. Carson Palmer sucks!

[monosylab1k]

Blah blah blah, way to go GM, cant wait to see you take over the board

eh don't worry about it, i'd rather post in forums where people don't even watch football like i've been accused here right off the bat.

but it's nice to see that your argument here was so weak that you ran out of material and resorted to third grade retorts. bang up job.

[djohn14]

Wait, wait, wait. Did I hear you say Grossman led the Bears to the playoffs? The D led the Bears there, and Rex almost kept them from that.

[mardigan]

eh don't worry about it, i'd rather post in forums where people don't even watch football like i've been accused here right off the bat.

but it's nice to see that your argument here was so weak that you ran out of material and resorted to third grade retorts. bang up job.
You just like to ignore all the times when you constantly get called out for being wrong about things. 50 quarterbacks over Marino, right. Grossman is a good qb when he leads his team to the SB but Marinos not. I dont know why your surprised that Im arguing with you. I think most people would say that Marino, Bulger, Larry Johnson and Palmer are all good players. So you should have expected someone to argue with you. I wouldnt have thought your opinions were stupid if you had just stated some facts why you thought he sucked, but all you said was record is everything so I guess this argument is done. Have fun at posting at your other sites.

[monosylab1k]

I'll bookmark this thread for when the Rams go 7-9 this year.

But I'm sure Marc Bulger will kick ass for your fantasy football team.

If only fantasy football was real football. Then maybe Larry Johnson would amount to something more meaningful than empty yards. BTW look for Larry Johnson to never run for 1000 yards ever again in his career. you heard it first from me.

[monosylab1k]

I wouldnt have thought your opinions were stupid if you had just stated some facts why you thought he sucked, but all you said was record is everything so I guess this argument is done.

sorry for using winning as a benchmark for success. next time i'll use something more meaningful like yards per attempt.

[monosylab1k]

Marino took his team to a Super Bowl as well. Spurdynasty of the NFL forum, well done. Carson Palmer sucks!

I'm sure Marino is very pleased with his AFC Championship ring. I guess Joe Namath was a shitty QB to you? Who gives a fuck that he won one of the most important Super Bowls in NFL History, his stats are shit! He would have completely fucked up my fantasy team!

[monosylab1k]

OH MY GOD Warren Moon is the most badass QB like ever! Dude's got over 49,000 career passing yards! Fuckin' awesome!

"What about Joe Montana?"

FUCK that asshole! Only 40,000 career passing yards. That guy ain't shit compared to Warren FUCKIN' Moon! Only a total idiot would take Joe Montana over Warren Moon! Fuck, that's almost as bad as those dumbfucks who think Troy Aikman was a better QB than Dan Fouts! Fuckin' stupid! Fouts has got 10,000 MORE passing yards than that piece of shit Aikman! Gimme Fouts over Aikman any fuckin' day!

[mardigan]

You just love to twist things that I say, ignoring things that make you look dumb and twisting things that I never said. I never said that Bulger was better than Peyton or Brady, you just like to twist things for your benifit. I really dont care, you can take Groosman over Buger and Palmer, I guess it just shows how much smarter you are than me.I never said I would take Fouts or Marino over Aikman, Im a Boys fan for shits sake. My point on Marino is that you say that Rex leads his team to a SB so that makes him ok, but Marino does it and he sucks overated blah blah. Bottom line is that you obviously just dont know much about football if you think Larry Johnson yards were empty stats. They wouldnt even have gotten into the playoffs without his "empty yards". The Rams wouldnt have won 8 games without Bulgers "empty yards". And dont worry, Ill bump this thread myself occasionally so everyone can see some of the best future gm'ing skills in all of the footbal universe

[T Park]

Looks like the Rams are close to getting Kris Jenkins.

Talk of also drafting Karraker, a 4.3 40 Dlineman whos good against the run and improving on pass rush.

If that can be swung, the Rams will be back baby :smokin

[mardigan]

Looks like the Rams are close to getting Kris Jenkins.

Talk of also drafting Karraker, a 4.3 40 Dlineman whos good against the run and improving on pass rush.

If that can be swung, the Rams will be back baby :smokin
Karraker is the shit. 6-6, about 300 pounds, 4.8 40. Guy can play all over the line and has enough speed to get to the qb. Word is the 9ers love him as well, so Im not sure if he will be there, but if not him, Okoye or Anderson or Branch will be there. All of them could help that d-line

[djohn14]

I can't wait for the draft...........Its gonna be hard to sleap these last few days.

[T Park]

Rams today acquired Dante Hall for a 5th rounder.

Looks like the rams special teams just improved drastically :smokin

[mardigan]

Rams | Team acquires D. Hall
Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:21:59 -0700

ESPN.com reports the St. Louis Rams have acquired WR Dante' Hall from the Kansas City Chiefs in exchange for a fifth-round pick in this year's NFL Draft.


Chiefs | D. Hall trade update
Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:19:11 -0700

Updating a previous item, Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs and St. Louis Rams have swapped third-round picks in this year's NFL Draft as part of the trade which sent WR Dante' Hall to the Rams Wednesday, April 25.



He will help, but he is nowhere the player he used to be

[Burn531]

So that leaves Kansas City with no WR in 07'?

[mardigan]

So that leaves Kansas City with no WR in 07'?
They got Kennison and Sammie Parker, but other than that, they need some help. I wouldnt doubt them taking one with their late 1st or early 2nd. they also really need secondary help

[Burn531]

They got Kennison and Sammie Parker, but other than that, they need some help. I wouldnt doubt them taking one with their late 1st or early 2nd. they also really need secondary help
I forgot about them 2. I should've typed decent WR in 07'

[greywheel]

Well Dante Hall wasn't a decent wide receiver either. He's only 5'8" which limits options.
He was a great return guy until everyone started respecting him.

[T Park]

:lol

If this was the Cowboys getting Hall,

OMG HALL!!!!!!

HES FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[Fillmoe]

for a 5th round pick...... id take him.....

[scott]

:lol

If this was the Cowboys getting Hall,

OMG HALL!!!!!!

HES FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Maybe if it were 2004

[mardigan]

Maybe if it were 2004
No shit right?

[djohn14]

Oh, I think he'll do better next year. This will be a good pick up.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Good luck to Dante. As a Chief fan, I'll miss him, but I'm also glad we traded him.

Herm and Vermeil tried to get too much out of him. The insisted at giving him time at WR ... which he isn't. Hopefully the Rams allow him to be a specialist and not do double duty.

[T Park]

Pistons, from what I heard Linehan is making him the PR and KR guy, with VERY VERY Rare times him being a 5th WR in some 3rd down sets.

[mardigan]

Pistons, from what I heard Linehan is making him the PR and KR guy, with VERY VERY Rare times him being a 5th WR in some 3rd down sets.
Doubt he sees any time at wr. He barely played that in KC and they really, really needed wrs. He is just to small and not a very good route runner to be a good wr

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Is this the same Dante Hall whose numbers have been steadily declining since '03?

I don't get this trade at all.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

And if the Lions take Quinn, I'll cry.

Seriously.

[mardigan]

And if the Lions take Quinn, I'll cry.

Seriously.
In a good way or a bad way?

[djohn14]

Is this the same Dante Hall whose numbers have been steadily declining since '03?

I don't get this trade at all.

Yeah, it's the same one. If you knew how bad the Rams special teams is, then your would see why they made this move.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Yeah, it's the same one. If you knew how bad the Rams special teams is, then your would see why they made this move.


So bad that their KR actually had a better average than Hall last year? He's lost a step and is definitely on the downside of his career. Why not draft a speed demon with that 5th round pick or later? Two of the better return men of recent years, Drummond and Hall, both went undrafted. McGee was a 4th rounder, Morton a 5th, Michael Lewis went undrafted as well, etc.

They could have found a younger, cheaper return specialist(Hall scheduled to make $3.5 million over the next two years) and opted for Hall because of his name.

And I'd cry in a very, very bad way, mardy.

[mardigan]

So bad that their KR actually had a better average than Hall last year?

And I'd cry in a very, very bad way, mardy.
You dont like Quin then I take it? Why dont you like him? I think he seems kind of a prick, but his qb skills seem very good. Would you rather take Johnson? Or who do you like?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It's not that I don't like Quinn, it's just that I don't think he is that much better than guys like Stanton, Beck, Kolb and Edwards. Plus, the pressure on QBs here in Detroit is enormous. It's not a good fit for someone who up to this point has shown he isn't very good under pressure. To LionFan, he is Brady Harrington and that's not good.

Ideally, the rumored ATL would push through and they'd take Landry/Willis at #8 and then Spencer/Johnson with one of their 2nds and one of those QBs with the other 2nd.

Realistically, they'll probably take Adam/Thomas at #2. Honestly, I really have no clue but this team cannot afford to draft a QB in the 1st round and then sit him for a year or two. Fans would revolt. Again.

[T Park]

Actually I heard from The nerdy dude on ESPN, that the Lions were gonna draft Calvin Johnson

WIDE RECIEVER

:lmao

[mardigan]

Actually I heard from The nerdy dude on ESPN, that the Lions were gonna draft Calvin Johnson

WIDE RECIEVER

:lmao
It wouldnt be that bad of a move. Guy will be a top 10 reciever his 1st year in the league. Put him next to Roy and you have one of the best reciever duos in the league for the next 7-10 years

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I wouldn't mind CJ but dealing him equates to more value for the organization.

And there are people out there who think passing on/trading CJ would be almost as big a mistake as selecting BMW.


And you're talking about John Clayton, the same guy who said Trent Green is the key to the draft.

[djohn14]

So bad that their KR actually had a better average than Hall last year? He's lost a step and is definitely on the downside of his career. Why not draft a speed demon with that 5th round pick or later? Two of the better return men of recent years, Drummond and Hall, both went undrafted. McGee was a 4th rounder, Morton a 5th, Michael Lewis went undrafted as well, etc.

They could have found a younger, cheaper return specialist(Hall scheduled to make $3.5 million over the next two years) and opted for Hall because of his name.

And I'd cry in a very, very bad way, mardy.

Are you talking about Willie Ponder? He only played like 3 games, and can only return kicks. So instead of having a PR and a KR, they fill that need with one player. If your talking about Kevin Curtis, he is no longer with the team, and had a fumble problem.

[T Park]

the same guy who said Trent Green is the key to the draft.

esentially he is.

If Miami doesn't get him, Quinn may drop to them.....

[djohn14]

They might not have the best draft so far, but the got some good picks. Carriker will contribute right away. Jonathon Wade (CB, Tennessee) will be given plenty of time to develope into a good player, and their 2nd round pick FB/HB Brian Leonard (Rutgers) will combine with Steven Jackson to form a great 1-2 punch. He is projected to be a Mike Alstott type player, but coach Linehan says he won't be an everydown full back because he'll be a third down RB.

[T Park]

Yeah, can't say that im overly enthused about passing over Kiler a fantastic center from SC, to go with a 3rd RB.

The project Corner when they could've gone with some more DTs wich is a damn weakness.

Not too impressed as usual with John Shaw, and the other clowns in the front office.

[djohn14]

Yeah, can't say that im overly enthused about passing over Kiler a fantastic center from SC, to go with a 3rd RB.

The project Corner when they could've gone with some more DTs wich is a damn weakness.

Not too impressed as usual with John Shaw, and the other clowns in the front office.


I see your points, but let me attempt to explain a few of them. I see your point about the RB over the great center thing. Brian Leonard will be great, but the only answer I have to this is the fact that today they got lucky and got a good center for Clemson in Dustin Fry. Carriker will help now, and the project corner could turn out to be a great pick down the road. There not so stacked at corner either. In the 5th Rd., they also got a possible steal in DT Clifton Ryan of Michigan St. In the 7th round they got a good run stuffer in Keith Jackson of Arkansas. But what can I say, you can't expect to much from the 2nd day picks. All in all, it had It's bright spots and It's not so bright spots. I'm still a little confused that they didn't gain any LB help. They have a good starting 3 in Tinaisamoa, Draft, and Witherspoon, but where is the depth? I still think that we are the team to beat in the NFC West.

[djohn14]

Go Rams...I had to get 100 replies.

[T Park]

If they would've gotten the center from USC.

You could've started him, and moved incognito to guard where hes more comfortable.

Oh well.

We will see how Carriker pans out. If this draft sucks as much as it looked, then I want friggen heads to motherfucking roll.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I might have to become a semi-Rams fan.

St. Louis signed Markee White.

[Erect as a Bull]

OH MY GOD Warren Moon is the most badass QB like ever! Dude's got over 49,000 career passing yards! Fuckin' awesome!

"What about Joe Montana?"

FUCK that asshole! Only 40,000 career passing yards. That guy ain't shit compared to Warren FUCKIN' Moon! Only a total idiot would take Joe Montana over Warren Moon! Fuck, that's almost as bad as those dumbfucks who think Troy Aikman was a better QB than Dan Fouts! Fuckin' stupid! Fouts has got 10,000 MORE passing yards than that piece of shit Aikman! Gimme Fouts over Aikman any fuckin' day!

LMFAO @ that^
This thread was a pretty funny Read.

I dont mind the Rams.
Damn I cant wait for NFL season to kick off.

[BUMP]

I'd take about 15 or 20 QB's over Bulger.

ohhhhh, just stop. in fact, nevermind i want to hear this list.


Yeah that Bulger guy who was in the top 5 QBs least aount of INts thrown
heh, i was tied for first on that list

[BUMP]

There's about 50 QB's in NFL history i'll take over Marino.

:spless:

[T Park]

I might have to become a semi-Rams fan.

St. Louis signed Markee White.


I'm sure I'll ruin it for you :lol