Mayhem in Detroit

[Jimcs50]

This is the worst thing ever in bball. The fans and players are fighting, the fans are throwing shiot all over the players and the court.

[Jimcs50]

Artest and Wallace started it, and Stephen Jackson was trying to fight everyone. A fan threw a beer on Artest and he charged the fan

[ducks]

let me guess ron artest is involved

[Guru of Nothing]

Holy Shit

[ducks]

stephen jackson needs to grow up

[Duff McCartney]

I'll say it before and I'll say it again...Ron Artest is a cunt.

[Jimcs50]

This is unreal

[Jimcs50]

It was not Artest's fault...he was laying on the scorers table and a fan came up and threw a bottle of beer on him...the fan deserved to get killed, IMO.

[Duff McCartney]

He was a punk for going for that cheap shot foul.

[Jimcs50]

Detroit fans are totally to blame.

[johnny00]

Holy Cow. Ridiculous, I have never seen anything like this.

[ducks]

yeah kill a fan for throwing a drink on him
please kick the fan out there
but murder's deserve the 25 cent bullet not a fan throwing beer in your face

[Guru of Nothing]

EASY FIX. No beer sales in Detroit.

[Jimcs50]

that was not a cheap shot, it was a slightly hard foul....Wallace will be suspended for 5-10 games.

[Jimcs50]

ducks, killed by getting the shit kicked out of him...you are a numbnuts, you know that?

[Spurminator]

Unreal.

[sickdsm]

I'm on the side of Artest surprisgly on this one, I wish he would have knocked a few teeth out of the guy who threw that.

[Jimcs50]

I would have beat the shit out of the guy if I were Artest.

[ShoogarBear]

Hmm, anyone heard from FearDaFro?

[sickdsm]

The foul wasn't that bad

[thispego]

DAAAAMMMMNNN!!! That one dude who originally threw the beer got MAD slugged by SJax!!! The bastard deserved it!! Dumbasses like that are gonna get alcoholic beverages banned in sporting events. I can't believe how out of hand that got. All out melee. Gonna be interesting to see what transpires in the wake of this atrocity.

[Duff McCartney]

I still think Artest deserves anything a fan does to him. He's always been a punk when it comes to other players. Now he deserves to get treated like a punk.

[johnny00]

Who do you suspend??? Stephen Jackson (I hate to sound corny but) SHAME ON YOU! It's official Ron Artest you've gone off the deep end. I'm still in shock.

[Jimcs50]

Jackson will be suspended for 10 games as will Wallace. Artest might get 3 games.

[SPURS21]

Jermaine Oneal threw a running haymacker at a fat towel boy

dude got the knocked the fuck out, it took three ppl to pick him up

SJax dropped a nice one on a fan in the stands, Artest was being held by 5 ppl n takin shots, he broke lose n connected on a nice one

detroit is wild!

Indy is done for the year

[atlfan25]

they should put that fan and artest alone on centercourt and let artest beat the living fuck outta him. all those fans should be arrested and put in jail for the rest of their life with no parole.

[Guru of Nothing]

This ought to boost sales on Artest's CD.

[Jimcs50]

Artest was totally innocent, he was not getting involved in the fight with the charging Wallace...he was all by himself minding his on bi=usiness and he was attacked by the asshole.

[ducks]

heat actuallly might get the best record in east now with suspens help

[sickdsm]

Are you sure it was that fan? The little guy in black? How about that fatass beating on Jones? from behind, didn't even get a good lick in but backpedaled as soon as he got up.

[Spurminator]

I blame all parties equally.

[ShoogarBear]

I still think Artest deserves anything a fan does to him. He's always been a punk when it comes to other players. Now he deserves to get treated like a punk.

This is, without doubt, the dumbest thing I've heard all year.

I'm trying to draw the logical map of this statement, but it makes my head hurt.

[Duff McCartney]

The only thing I can see is why didn't some other fans just dive on SJax and beat his ass when he was swinging all over the place. I'd have loved to see that.

[Jimcs50]

Whta about the over-under bet??? The game was called with a min to play....Vegas is going to have to do something.

[Duff McCartney]

Whta about the over-under bet??? The game was called with a min to play....Vegas is going to have to do something.

Who gives a fuck about Vegas at a time like this?

[Jimcs50]

Who gives a fuck about Vegas at a time like this?

Duff, there might have been a million dollars on this game in Vegas on the over-under....that might not sound like a lot of money to you, but I say it is something to worry about. The bettors are going to have a problem with it, I assure you.

[SPURS21]

Glad to be a spurs fan but wathcin that live on tv was the hi lite of my nite
sickest thing i've ever seen in a basketball game

SJax is a balla :smokin

[JsnSA]

Who gives a fuck about Vegas at a time like this?
:lol At a time like this?

This wasnt a terrorist attack or anything.

It was a bad fight...but not the end of the world.

He brought up an interesting point...what does happen in Las Vegas when stuff like this interferes???

[mattyc]

haven't seen it yet, but how stupid or drunk do you have to be to attack a 6-8 player?

[Duff McCartney]

but I say it is something to worry about.

Give me a break...who's worrying about it besides you?

[sickdsm]

The guys name was Cosmo Kramer i heard that started it.

[thispego]

Anyone got a link to a Pacers forum?? I bet it'd be funny to see what the fans mae of this, lol

[ShoogarBear]

:rollin

Leave it to Jim to immediately be concerned about the gambling implications.

[GoSpurs21]

all the scummy fans in Detroit that participated need to serve time in jail and be banned from any events at the arena for life. I'm even talking about those that through drinks as the players were leaving. The is no fucking excuse for what the pathetic Piston fans did.

[johnny00]

Whta about the over-under bet??? what the he!! was the final score anyway ?

[thispego]

You got the straight GoSpurs, Those assholes in Detroit arent 1 bit deserving of the Larry O'Brien trophy. Bring that shit back to San Antonio, a city that appreciates and respects it.

[sickdsm]

What sucks though is that like in a game if something comes upThere will be Tech fouls, penaltyys in football, etc. Calling the game isn't good enough of a penalty for Pistons fans. They should spot the other team 5 pts in the next 5 games for that crap.

[SequSpur]

Sweet. I bet Rasho would have hidden under a chair.

[Jimcs50]

Shoog...I assure you, I am not the only one with his asshole tightened up on this one. The Vegas book is in deep shit right now with a lot of pissed off bettors. You have the straight up bets, you habve bettors who have parlays with this game as part of their bet, you have trifectas....this is going to be bad.

[baseline bum]

Someone please make a video of the whole thing.

BTW, did I hear right that a beer bottle was thrown at Artest? Anytime anyone's ever thrown a glass bottle at me shit's happened, and I don't fault Artest at all if this is the case.

[Jimcs50]

Someone please make a video of the whole thing.

BTW, did I hear right that a beer bottle was thrown at Artest? Anytime anyone's ever thrown a glass bottle at me shit's happened, and I don't fault Artest at all if this is the case.


I have it on video

[Brodels]

Someone please make a video of the whole thing.


Word.

[thispego]

LOLOL, what about all the poor saps that have Wallace, SJax, and whoever else is gonna get some suspension time off of this on their Fantasy teams, LOLOLOL

[ShoogarBear]

GOOD TIMES AHEAD: SET THOSE TIVOs NOW

Dec 25th Detroit at Indiana (ho, ho, ho!)
Jan 27th Detroit at Indiana
Mar 25ht Indiana at Detroit

[ducks]

Artest was totally innocent, he was not getting involved in the fight with the charging Wallace...he was all by himself minding his on bi=usiness and he was attacked by the asshole.



dude you are responisbile for your actions

you can say he was just defending himself but
if someone walks up to you and do that
and you beat the tar out of him adn break his jaw you are not justified becuase he threee his drink in your face

[SequSpur]

Shit happens. Vegas has nothing to do with it. Win or lose.... that's betting.

[baseline bum]

I mean make a video and post it online - the whole thing, not just highlights. I gotta see this and it sounds too good to just catch the short version on SportsCenter.

[atlfan25]

Sweet. I bet Rasho would have hidden under a chair.
i bet rasho would have beat the hell out of everybody

[PeterBurns]

Just talked to Siciliano. Artest to probably get 10-15 games. SJAx 7-15 Also.

[Duff McCartney]

Someone please make a video of the whole thing.

BTW, did I hear right that a beer bottle was thrown at Artest? Anytime anyone's ever thrown a glass bottle at me shit's happened, and I don't fault Artest at all if this is the case.

I don't think they have glass bottles at stadiums.

[atlfan25]

dude you are responisbile for your actions

you can say he was just defending himself but
if someone walks up to you and do that
and you beat the tar out of him adn break his jaw you are not justified becuase he threee his drink in your face
ya, he is justified.

[ShoogarBear]

If you have ESPN News, it's all they're talking about.

[diceman]

Artest and Jackson will get at least 10 games each for going up in the stands even thought the fans instigated things. Wallace 2-5 games. They will have the stagger the suspensions as they won't be enough players to suit up for the next game as they will be tons of one game suspensions for players leaving the bench.

[johnny00]

[QUOTE=SPURS21]Glad to be a spurs fan but wathcin that live on tv was the hi lite of my nite


Just to think if I would have gone out tonight I would have missed this.

[thispego]

definitely justified, Artest was the bigger man by walking away from Wallace after that shove.

[JsnSA]

Man...I was rewinding the thing on my DVR...rewatching the fight...and then it occurs to me that I should record this...once the fan fighting starts up. So I hit record (I was just rewinding the buffer before) and the freaking thing started recording fromt that moment..which was after the fight.

So I lost all the actual fight scenes. The damn thing is supposed to record everything I was watching when I hit record...not just from that moment. Thats half the reason it has the damn buffer.

I'm so pissed I could just chuck a cup of beer at a Time warner employee.

[ShoogarBear]

Just talked to Siciliano. Artest to probably get 10-15 games. SJAx 7-15 Also.

Then Wallace should get 20.

[Spurminator]

How fortunate is it for the NBA that this happened on a Friday night?

[johnny00]

Sweet. I bet Rasho would have hidden under a chair. Sequa, you crack me up. :lol

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Ron Artest is the fucking man! Dude gets drilled in the head with a beer and proceeds to pumble the Christ out of ten Detroit drunks.

Stephen Jackson looked like a total idiot during the whole thing, and I loved the way Jermaine O'Neal starting acting tough when he was on his way back to the lockeroom- typical.

[exstatic]

Jim, you don't EVER go after fans for throwing a beer. That's not even self defense, as you can't be hurt by beer. The bottles are even fucking plastic now. Stern will throw the entire library at Artest this time. What a dumbfuck.

Detroit should take away the tickets of the fans involved, but they fans could also very well press charges. This was assault, not self defense.

[TwoHandJam]

Totally classless behavior by the Piston fans. Completely inexcusable. I can maybe understand Artest seeing red and losing it for a while but Jackson acted like a complete moron. He'll get the longest suspension by far. I'm anxious to see how the league is going to deal with this. This reflects very poorly on the league's image and I think Stern will crack down hard. One thing is for sure, two powerhouse teams will be crippled by suspensions for a long time.

[GoSpurs21]

Sweet. I bet Rasho would have hidden under a chair.
Leave to a jackass to take a shot at Rasho
Hey Sequ FUCK YOU
I know longer consider you a real Spurs fan...you are more like the Detroit fans and SA doesnt need your support

[ShoogarBear]

Old timers will tell you that fights with the fans were not unheard of back in the 50s and early 60s.

Yes, it's very bad. But not Armageddon.

P.S. How come nobody punched Jim Gray?

[Spurminator]

Yeah, Artest could've gotten off proving a lot of people wrong about him... now he's just one step closer to permanant expulsion from the league. Unfortunate.

Ex is right. Getting beer on you is not a license for assault. Let security do their job, or face the consequences if they fail to do so.

[atlfan25]

as you can't be hurt by beer.
tell that to guy who got drunk on beer, threw it at artest and got his ass beat. he got hurt cuz of beer

[ducks]

I was hoping arterst would not hurt a nba player before he retires now I have to say fans to

[SequSpur]

Leave to a jackass to take a shot at Rasho
Hey Sequ FUCK YOU
I know longer consider you a real Spurs fan...you are more like the Detroit fans and SA doesnt need your support

:lmao

It's true.

[grjr]

P.S. How come nobody punched Jim Gray?

He was on the phone with Kobe to find out what he should think about the fight.

[SPURS21]

Jermaine O'Neal starting acting tough when he was on his way back to the lockeroom- typical.

Jermain oneal suckered the towel boy while he was on the ground, blind sided the fat fuck, it was hilarious

SJax is tuff as nails

[ducks]

monday will be a long time for pacers to have to wait to see if ron can play before the allstar game

mand just maybe he can get his rap junk down now and not have to take time off

[ShoogarBear]

mand just maybe he can get his rap junk down now and not have to take time off

I think you're on to something here.

He got the time off and embellished the gansta image in one fell swoop.

[PeterBurns]

Well, Now Artest have Street Cred, and time to promote the CD

[TheWriter]

Been watching ESPNews and they showed an angle where Jackson cold clocked a fan that was looking at the Artest/idiot fan.

Seriously the fan was just looking and Jax punch the dude right in his grill.

[Duff McCartney]

Couldn't agree more. Artest is a punk too.

[exstatic]

tell that to guy who got drunk on beer, threw it at artest and got his ass beat. he got hurt cuz of beer

I'll tell it to Ronnie Nutjob. We need a vbookie on this. If they suspend Sprewell for the rest of the seaon for going after his coach in a private gym with no media or video, I'll drop EVERY vbookie $ on Artest being gone for the year. That'll hurt now, won't it?

[Seru Giran]

if this is the first time players and fans were engaged in a fight I feel that the suspensions should be big, just to settle a precedent. If they give 5 games to this thug trifecta what would stop them next time if they want to jump on an obnoxious fan, certainly not 5 games.

[Jimcs50]

Ex, you try to remain calm when some fuck hits you with a bottle of beer when you are laying down. Artest should have chased the dude down and pummeled him to the point of unconsciousness, that is the truth.

[dcole50]

ya, he is justified.
I've had beer poured on me at a game before (I was being an obnoxious Bama fan in Auburn) but I never punched the shit out of some guy half my size.

It's just liquid. Be a man and go to the locker room. Don't get yourself suspended over some idiot fan.

[johnny00]

Did you see the guy who threw the beer???? He looks like the captain of the local high school debating team. DUDE WAKE UP YA PUSS!!!! HE'S A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE. That's what happens when guys can't get laid.

[thispego]

I'm very curious as to whether or not Artest went after the right guy. After looking at replays, that little guy seemed pretty surprised that Artest started coming after HIM.
Surely there will be a plethora of angles to show who threw the instigative beer.

[Jimcs50]

Artest will not get as many games as Wallace who started the whole thing. Jackson needs to get the most, and will...I will bet you on that.

[AgSpursFan]

did you see the guy who threw the beer face, when artest jump into the stands he was like Oh Shit! Artest pop him and was attacked by the other fans, Then SJAX hit the same good right in the face.

[atlfan25]

ben wallace should be the only player with a suspension. the fans responsible should be tracked down and locked in a room with all the pacers players, and whatever they get is deserved. bunch of pussies

[Duff McCartney]

Ex, you try to remain calm when some fuck hits you with a bottle of beer when you are laying down. Artest should have chased the dude down and pummeled him to the point of unconsciousness, that is the truth.

It's either a plastic bottle or a paper cup of beer. Give me a break Jim.

[missmyzte]

AUBURN HILLS, Michigan (Ticker) -- Stephen Jackson made quite a first impression on the overheated rivalry between the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons.

Jackson delivered knockout punches of all kinds as the Pacers brawled with fans in the stands and on the court after a 97-82 victory over the Pistons, a game that was called with 45 seconds to play.

In one of the craziest melees in NBA history, Jackson, Ron Artest and Jermaine O'Neal all delivered haymakers to unruly Pistons fans, who showed the worst side of their behavior by throwing everything from plastic bottles to chairs at members of the Pacers.

The Pacers fought back - literally. Several went into the stands to accost fans who had thrown things. Jackson climbed into the seats and landed a roundhouse right that floored a fan who had thrown a plastic beer bottle at Artest, hitting him in the face.

Fans continued to throw things and verbally accost members of the Pacers. Several came onto the court and one took a fighting stance against Artest, who dropped him with a punch. O'Neal ran over and floored another fan with a righthanded blow.

Fighting with each other minutes earlier, the Pacers and Pistons quickly teamed up to fight off the fans.

Referees called the game, which forced the Pacers to make their way through a gauntlet of angry fans who continued to throw objects despite pleas from Pistons coach Larry Brown. Players and team officials were showered with beer, soda and popcorn.

Acquired in the offseason, Jackson is new to this rivalry, which peaked with the Pistons defeating the Pacers in six physical games in last season's Eastern Conference finals.

He scored 13 points, including a dagger 3-pointer and dunk less than 40 seconds apart that ended a rally by the Pistons and gave the Pacers a 93-79 lead with 3:52 to play.

http://www.nba.com/games/20041119/INDDET/recap.html

[Jimcs50]

that fucking fan throwing punches was some big black dude that was at least 250lbs, he was not some little fuck. the guy that threw the beer was black too and he was also not a small man...he deserved to get the shit kicked out of him.

[baseline bum]

Damn I love Ron Artest. Fuck being the bigger man; don't take shit from anyone.

[exstatic]

Ex, you try to remain calm when some fuck hits you with a bottle of beer when you are laying down.

It's liquid and plastic, Jim. Think: 16 oz "bottle" of soda. I would remain calm if there were millions of dollars at stake, as Ronnie Nutjob is going to find out that there were. :lmao

[ShoogarBear]

Surely there will be a plethora of angles to show who threw the instigative beer.

Hokey smokes. Sounds like a lawyer.

:lol

[atlfan25]

I've had beer poured on me at a game before (I was being an obnoxious Bama fan in Auburn) but I never punched the shit out of some guy half my size.

It's just liquid. Be a man and go to the locker room. Don't get yourself suspended over some idiot fan.
fuck that be a man and take things into your own hands and beat the hell out of the guy. you probably deserved beer on you, artest didn't

[Duff McCartney]

I'm very curious as to whether or not Artest went after the right guy. After looking at replays, that little guy seemed pretty surprised that Artest started coming after HIM.
Surely there will be a plethora of angles to show who threw the instigative beer.

I agree...the fan threw beer..and Artest went at least 40 feet to try and get the guy. It doesn't look like that guy could have run that far and that high in the stands that fast.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Jackson has a negative IQ.

[Jimcs50]

a plastic bottle thrown at a prone man hurts like shit, Duff....I would have gone after him too...and so would any self respecting man...only pussies take that shit.

[Duff McCartney]

fuck that be a man and take things into your own hands and beat the hell out of the guy.

Be a man? How does beating somebodies ass make you more of a man? I admit sometimes you just gotta throw down...but man big deal...it's just beer. You act like the man shot your kids or something.

[SPURS21]

Artest, Oneal and Jackson should be ogne for the year, and Im a big Buckets fan

[AgSpursFan]

i think the guy who threw the beer was a skiny little white guy with glasses. Artest and SJAX both got him good.

[exstatic]

Jackson is so screwed. No one threw anything at him.

[boutons]

The lawyers all around will make millions here.

Criminal assault charges for Artest and Jackson?

[Bambi]

Glad to be a spurs fan but wathcin that live on tv was the hi lite of my nite
sickest thing i've ever seen in a basketball game

SJax is a balla :smokin

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[ducks]

read the article it was plastic

[atlfan25]

Be a man? How does beating somebodies ass make you more of a man? I admit sometimes you just gotta throw down...but man big deal...it's just beer. You act like the man shot your kids or something.
the man who threw the beer was way out of line and deserved it, it dont matter if its beer or whatever, its a split second reaction to a fan being way out of line. those morons need to be taught a lesson then maybe just thrown out of a stadium if they happen to be seen doin that, its good artest finally did.

[Jimcs50]

I have the whole thing on tape...Artest went after the right guy. I saw it from the getgo...the replays do not have the original angle...I do not know why, but they have not played the original live version. Artest got it square in the face and the black guy ran away and Artest caught him.

[Duff McCartney]

a plastic bottle thrown at a prone man hurts like shit, Duff....I would have gone after him too...and so would any self respecting man...only pussies take that shit.

Hurts like shit? What kinda pussy are you? It's plastic.

[Jimcs50]

read the article it was plastic


a plastic full bottle thrown at you face hurts like hell...it does not matter, the guy deserved a lot more than he got. He should go to prison for at least a year.

[Duff McCartney]

the guy that threw the beer was black too and he was also not a small man...he deserved to get the shit kicked out of him.

I just saw the replay on tv...if the guy who threw the beer was black...enlighten me on why Artest went after a white guy with glasses.

[AgSpursFan]

Did yall see Jermaine Oneal hit that fan with the Piston Jersey on on the court. He got him real good in the face. That was the best hit during that fight.

[dcole50]

fuck that be a man and take things into your own hands and beat the hell out of the guy. you probably deserved beer on you, artest didn't
I probably did deserve beer on me. I was being pretty obnoxious because I had had too much to drink.

But it's just a liquid. Get over it. If a fan actually harmed him, then I would understand. They poured a beverage on him. Boo hoo.

A suspension for Artest would hurt his team. How is he being a "man" by attacking a fan who, as thispego pointed out, didn't even look like the fan who threw beer on him?

[thispego]

Hurts like shit? What kinda pussy are you? It's plastic.

Duff have you ever purchased one of those plastic beer bottles? They are thick as shit and would hurt if you got hit with one, Especially if there was still beer in it.

[foodie2]

I didn't see any of this. I'm confused--I've read this entire threaad and I still don't know what Ben Wallace did. Why do some of you say that he should get suspended?

[dcole50]

I just saw the replay on tv...if the guy who threw the beer was black...enlighten me on why Artest went after a white guy with glasses.
I just saw the replay too. Wasn't the right guy.

Suspend this thug, please.

[thispego]

I didn't see any of this. I'm confused--I've read this entire threaad and I still don't know what Ben Wallace did. Why do some of you say that he should get suspended?

Wallace went of pur a dunk and Artest commited a semi-flagrant foul and then backed away, but then BigBen came and gave him a hard shove to the face.

[Duff McCartney]

Duff have you ever purchased one of those plastic beer bottles? They are thick as shit and would hurt if you got hit with one, Especially if there was still beer in it.

They aren't that thick and this is all theoretical...I don't recall anybody saying that he threw a beer bottle. I didn't even see a bottle anywhere. He just threw beer...that was probably in a cup considering the amount going on Artest at one time.

[ShoogarBear]

Wallace started it by shoving Artest after a foul, then had to be restrained as he tried to go after him.

Then, just when it seemed things were dying down, he started it up again by throwing a towel at Artest.

[AgSpursFan]

artest hacked Wallace. It wasnt that bad of a foul. Ben Wallace the turn around and pushed artest mightly. He definitely overreacted.

[dcole50]

I didn't see any of this. I'm confused--I've read this entire threaad and I still don't know what Ben Wallace did. Why do some of you say that he should get suspended?
Big Ben was out of line. Artest delivered a fairly soft foul. Ben put his hand around his neck and pushed him. It was like a half-choke.

Things should have ended there but the players and fans made matters alot worse.

[ducks]

a plastic full bottle thrown at you face hurts like hell...it does not matter, the guy deserved a lot more than he got. He should go to prison for at least a year.


iI do not want my tax dollars being wasted like that

he throw liquid not bullets or knifes

[Jimcs50]

Ben Wallace threw a puch with his open hands to Artest's face then kept charging after him as Artest was going away from him...then he kept having to be restrained by his team and coaches, thus causing all the melee with the fans.

[Jimcs50]

iI do not want my tax dollars being wasted like that

he throw liquid not bullets or knifes


ducks, it is not the weapon, it is protecting the sanctity of sports, he needs to be made an example of...he needs to be punished to the full extent of the law to discourage other incidents in the future.

[Jimcs50]

ONeal will be suspended for 10-20 games

[Duff McCartney]

OH I just saw a great angle. No beer bottle...a plastic cup....a fucking plastic cup with beer. Then Artest just goes after any random fan that he sees. Probably not even the right one cause he's a stupid punk.

[baseline bum]

Someone upload a fucking video!

[thispego]

WHOA!!! there's the proof right there! replay shows it was that little black guy in the black hooded sweatshirt that threw it. He ran off to the left and Artest went for the poor white guy that STILL HAD HIS BEVERAGE IN HIS HAND!!! Damn Artest, if you're gonna get revenge, get revenge on the right guy. I mean shit... make it worth your while.

[Duff McCartney]

There you go..not only was it not a beer bottle...it was a plastic cup, and it Artests incredible genius. He just goes after a random fan.

I also saw O'Neal punch some towel boy..O'Neal is a punk ass bitch too.

[Mr Dio]

Did yall see Jermaine Oneal hit that fan with the Piston Jersey on on the court. He got him real good in the face. That was the best hit during that fight.
__________________________________________________ ______
Classic sucker punch & when the guy was 1/2 way down. You'd figure he could take the guy anyways so why the faggot ass sucker punch?

[Mr Dio]

Who hasn't been hit by a cup of beer suds @ NIOSA? C'mon..Artest went after that fan but backed down like a B1+ch when Ben went after him.

[Spurminator]

With all the time off they're sure to have, expect Artest and Jackson to collaborate on a follow up to Artest's hip hop record.

http://img58.exs.cx/img58/5145/clockin.jpg

[Jimcs50]

Look at original shot..I have it on tape as I was taping the game because I wanted to get the highlights of Spurs since I missed game. Artest went after the black guy with the white hat on who threw the beer. There was another fan that threw a whole beer at Artest after he was going after the original fan...Artest went after that guy, then Jackson went after the original guy.

[thispego]

^^^^^LOL, you threw that together pretty fast

[Duff McCartney]

No he didn't you moron..he attacked some white guy with glasses. Then that white guy threw his cup of SODA in Artests face to stop him from beating him because he didn't do anything.

[JsnSA]

The white guys were wearing black clothing. I think thats what he meant.

[Jimcs50]

Duff, you better not call me a moron again or I will send my cousin Guido to break your kneecaps until I get my 800 dollars back.

[Duff McCartney]

You got your tongue so far up Artests ass...Steve Francis is getting jealous.

[dcole50]

:lol

Great stuff, Spurminator. Nice job for the limited time given.

[Jimcs50]

The black guy with a white hat threw the beer...Jackson took care of him after Artest went after the white guy who threw beer at him afterwards. Jim Gray saw who threw the beer and he said that Artest went after that guy, the right guy...I have watched it a dozen times. The guy withe white hat on suckerpunched the players from behind.

[Kori Ellis]

I think criminal charges for Artest, Jackson and Jermaine.

Isn't Jermaine the one who knocked out the ball boy?

[Duff McCartney]

Isn't Jermaine the one who knocked out the ball boy?

Yeah Jermaine is a cheap shot artist....the towel boy has nowhere near the athleticism as O'Neal but Jermaine cheap shots the towel boy when he's on the ground trying to get up.

[Jimcs50]

Duff, STFU, I guess you are pussy enough to let some fuck throw beer in your face. Maybe you are, but Artest did what I or any real man would have done and that is go kick the shit out of the perp...yadig?

[Duff McCartney]

Duff, STFU, I guess you are pussy enough to let some fuck throw beer in your face. Maybe you are, but Artest did what I or any real man would have done and that is go kick the shit out of the perp...yadig?

Think what you will....but I'm not gonna go get a guy who threw some sorry ass overpriced beer anyway.

[FilSpursFan]

Jermain oneal suckered the towel boy while he was on the ground, blind sided the fat fuck, it was hilarious

SJax is tuff as nails
A fan poured something on Jermain on his way back to the locker room. That's when he went back to his teammates

[SequSpur]

Man, I really miss Jackson.

:lmao

[Kori Ellis]

Didn't Artest hit that towel boy three times and then Mike Brown push him, then Jermaine hit him when he's getting back up?

[exstatic]

SJax is tuff as nails

You almost got that right. SJax is as DUMB as a bag of nails. See the difference?

[Duff McCartney]

Here you go Jim....even your boy Jim Gray said Artest just goes after the wrong guy. The guy who threw the beer was a guy with a hat and Artest just goes after another guy who isn't even him.

[SequSpur]

The Sports Golden Rule:

You Never Go After A Fan, No Matter What, No Matter How. You Fucking Run To The Locker Room Or Get Security To Take Care Of It.

If You Can Sit Here And Type Excuses For The Players, Then You're Pathetic.

I Hope Those Fucks Get Suspended For The Year.

[Duff McCartney]

Didn't Artest hit that towel boy three times and then Mike Brown push him, then Jermaine hit him when he's getting back up?

Artest hit another guy that went on the court...the towel boy tried to break it up. He gets knocked on the floor and then O'Neal punches him when he tries to get up.

[Tres_Till_it_MHz]

Man that was insane, old boy in the stands knew he was about to get his ass beat....Wonder how NBA.com will address the event or if they sweep it under the carpet.

[grjr]

I think I just saw Mike Brown get a shot in on the roly-poly fan's buddy. Wasn't he wearing a brown suit?

[exstatic]

The Sports Golden Rule:

You Never Go After A Fan

Sequ, the voice of reason. I think the pilot light on the sun just went out. :lmao

These are NOT good times for the league, and if fan's think that mayhem may break out, they'll stop going.

THERE IS NO LEAGUE OR ANY BIG CONTRACTS WITHOUT THE FANS.

[pooh]

Don't forget the fan who tossed the chair into the crowd.

[Jimcs50]

Sequ, if you are 5 feet tall, then no, you do not go after bullys, but most men would go after the fucks..it is in our makeup...we will not take shit from anyone...nuffsaid.

[atlfan25]

it doesn't matter what artest did, you people who hate him already would talk shit about him endlessly. if he ran to the locker room after that you people would call him a pussy, he tries to after them and he's a punk. its no win

[ShoogarBear]

Was that definitely a fan who threw the chair? I was wondering about that.

[Jimcs50]

Jim Gray originally said Artest went after the right guy, now he says it was the guy in the white hat, the guy who was sucker punching the players and coaches...that guy needs to go to prison for a year for sure.

[Duff McCartney]

if he ran to the locker room after that you people would call him a pussy, he tries to after them and he's a punk.

I'd actually applaud him for that...if there's one thing that Artest has shown throughout his career in Indiana, is that he lacks the ability to actually think and use his brain. Artest shouldn't even be in the league...he's the type of player who's skills are equaled only by his stupidity.

[atlfan25]

it was clearly in the fault of the fans and they should be punished.

[Jimcs50]

The Pacers are fucked...they might not make the playoffs now, and it is all the fucking Detroit fans fault and the so-called security at the game. Detroit needs to be fined 10 million at least.

[exstatic]

So, ARTEST WENT AFTER THE WRONG GUY. That's what happens when you take matters into your own hands instead of letting security handle it.

[Kori Ellis]

Getting a beer cup thrown at you by a fan doesn't constitute jumping into the stands and punching people.

It was the fault of the players and the fans.

[ShoogarBear]

The fact is that Artest initially did the right thing.

Wallace continued to instigate, which incited the fans and brought about the whole shabang.

He'll probably get the smallest suspension of anyone, but in my mind he's the most to blame.

[Kori Ellis]

Stephen Jackson was still trying to fight as well -- even before the fans got involved at all.

[Duff McCartney]

Getting a beer cup thrown at you by a fan doesn't constitute jumping into the stands and punching people.

Nevermind actually getting the right guy...he went and attacked the wrong guy. What a moron.

[exstatic]

I'm also very disappointed that Mike Brown was involved. As a coach, he should know better, both from a right and wrong angle, and an "I'm only a coach and may actually get fired over this" angle. Not very smart.

If' Im the league, the big three serve their suspensions TOGETHER, and the one gamers can be staggered to give them at least 8 players active.

[ducks]

The Pacers are fucked...they might not make the playoffs now, and it is all the fucking Detroit fans fault and the so-called security at the game. Detroit needs to be fined 10 million at least.


maybe those idiots will get better character people and get rid if artest who is drug addict


pacers are reponsible for how they reacted
they could haqve kepted their head and walked off the court

whar wasw the pacers coach doing all this ?

[SequSpur]

Sequ, if you are 5 feet tall, then no, you do not go after bullys, but most men would go after the fucks..it is in our makeup...we will not take shit from anyone...nuffsaid.

Dude, you don't go into the stands. Bro, I grew up on the Southside, and believe me I have no fucking problem throwing down. Been there, done that...

What if one of those fans pulled a knife?? What if a little kid was killed or crushed to death? What if some handicapped person was injured?

YOU NEVER GO INTO THE STANDS.... NEVER!!!!!

BUT GUESS WHAT....

RON ARTEST AND STEPHEN JACKSON.....

2 STUPID FUCKS.

I JUST CALLED MY BUDDY AND HE SAID RON ARTEST WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING SHIT.

[ShoogarBear]

Jax was trying to fight, but after a while everything had pretty much calmed down. Then Wallace threw a towel at Artest and got everything started again.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Kori, LJ, User, SW and I were at Firehouse when this came on.

IIRC, Vernon Maxwell's suspension was 10-13 games.

Jackson and Artest have a legitimate shot at being suspended for the whole season, Fred Jones will probably go for 10-15.

Whether or not the fans instigated it - which they did and deserve to face criminal charges for it - you can't go into the stands.

I don't say give all the blame to Artest as Duff does. Artest was lying on the scorer's table when he gets it from nowhere, Jax goes fucking nuts and will probably face the most overall.

I think Artest and Jackson will face criminal charges as do a number of the Pistons fans, Artest and Jax have a good shot at missing at least half the season.

Sad night, but it will open discussion towards fans and alcohol and sporting events.

[Duff McCartney]

I think the guy who is a bigger punk that is making off like a bandit in all this is Jermaine O'Neal. Forget the fact that he sucker punch the towel boy that was on the floor, he tried to jump in the stands near the tunnel and fight fans. Then went back out after being inside the tunnel. What a punk.

[Jimcs50]

Getting a beer cup thrown at you by a fan doesn't constitute jumping into the stands and punching people.

It was the fault of the players and the fans.


Kori, these pro athlets are pumped full of testosterone, it is almost impossible to have that happen to you in the heat of the moment and not retaliate...impossible, I say. I have gotten into fights in softball games over less, because we were all amped up and some fuck does something that cause things to boil over...Artest was wrong, but it is totally understandable and in my mind justified.

[Kori Ellis]

Jackson and Artest have a legitimate shot at being suspended for the whole season, Fred Jones will probably go for 10-15.

Jermaine O'Neal laid a horrible punch on a fan or towel boy that was getting up off the ground. He's got to have a serious suspension too.

[grjr]

I'm also very disappointed that Mike Brown was involved. As a coach, he should know better, both from a right and wrong angle, and an "I'm only a coach and may actually get fired over this" angle. Not very smart.
.

I may be wrong about Mike Brown. I saw an earlier clip now and he may have had a grey suit on. So he probably wasn't the one involved later.

[Spurminator]

Sometimes what is natural and expected is still not justifiable. While many players may have reacted as Artest did, it doesn't mean he is any less accountable.

[Kori Ellis]

I saw Mike Brown push a fan, I don't know if he threw any punches.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Forgot about O'Neal...he's gonna get a long suspension as well. One approaching Jax and Artest.

Duff, what did you want Artest to do. He was chilling on the table. Had the fans left well-enough alone, he wouldn't have gone off.

[Duff McCartney]

Kori, these pro athlets are pumped full of testosterone, it is almost impossible to have that happen to you in the heat of the moment and not retaliate...impossible, I say. I have gotten into fights in softball games over less, because we were all amped up and some fuck does something that cause things to boil over...Artest was wrong, but it is totally understandable and in my mind justified.

It just means you have no self control. The most important test of someones ability to handle themselves and maintain control is in the heat of the moment. It happens in sports...we bash players who can't hack the pressure and they don't last long. The same goes for the average person who is thrown something as insignificant as a plastic cup of beer.

[whottt]

Kori and Duff were right...Artest got a plastic bottle thrown at him...he should have let security kick the guy out...he didn't get hurt...

He went into the stands and attacked an innocent fan...and then Jax went and beat the shit out of the guy as well.

That poor Pistons ball boy got his ass totally kicked and he didn't do anything either...a fan came onto the floor the ballboy was trying to get him off the floor...Person just started wailing on him and then when he got up O'Neal went and hit him with a running haymaker. He coulda killed that ballboy.

Artest was not at fault..until he went into the stands like the dumbass hothead that he is.

The people at fault in this...

Ben Wallace...
Stephen Jackson
Artest
The fan that threw the beer
That big fan that went and started sucker punching guys in the back of the head.

But Jax and Artest both deserve a major fucking lawsuit...thrown at them.

They went into the stands and physically assaulted a much smaller innocent man. I mean they cleaned this guys clock and he didn't do a damn thing.

Artest had a chance to be a stand up guy, but instead he over-reacted like the dumbass he is....and escalated this thing into a brawl by going into the stands.

He should just gotten over the plastic cup hitting him...and let the security do it's job.

I hope Artest and Jax get their asses sued off like the dumb fucks they are for going and assaulting an innocent man.

[grjr]

Jermaine O'Neal laid a horrible punch on a fan or towel boy that was getting up off the ground. He's got to have a serious suspension too.

He wasn't a towel boy. He was the fan that squared off against Artest after most of the original fight was over.

[whottt]

Jermaine O'Neal laid a horrible punch on a fan or towel boy that was getting up off the ground. He's got to have a serious suspension too.


He hit the towel boy who was trying to get the fan off the court. That towel boy didn't do anything to anyone exept try and get the fan off the court.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Indiana's Finals hopes just went out the window with these upcoming suspensions.

There's no way the NBA low-balls these suspensions with the outrage that will be expressed by mainstream America.

[exstatic]

grjr and Kori. I hope I'm wrong about Mike Brown, because I like the way he works with the younger players.

[Kori Ellis]

exstatic, someone else told me that he threw a punch at the towel boy. I hope it's not true.

[Duff McCartney]

The fan that threw the beer
That big fan that went and started sucker punching guys in the back of the head.

Those are the same person....like I said...Artest and Jackson went after the wrong guy. But Jackson was even more of a punk because he was just trying to fight anybody he could.

[whottt]

He wasn't a towel boy. He was the fan that squared off against Artest after most of the original fight was over.


No it was the towlboy...who had been trying to get the fan off the court.


The fan that was on the court was a white guy with a baseball cap on..and towel guy was trying to pull him off the court.

The guy that was hitting Artest in the back of the head was big black dude.

You can tell the difference...the towel boy looked mexican, the big dude that was hitting Artest in the back of the head was dark black...and the guy that ran on the court was a white guy.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Kori, it's the guy in the Detroit jersey and the Tigers "D" hat. He comes at Artest in a fighting stance - kind of doing that Jax step at him. Artest swings and knocks him down, then O'Neal (it looked like) comes in and clocks him square and lays him out.

[whottt]

Those are the same person....like I said...Artest and Jackson went after the wrong guy. But Jackson was even more of a punk because he was just trying to fight anybody he could.

No they aren't the same person...the guy I am talking about that was getting some good shots in on the back of Artests head was a black dude...not the intial fight where Artest went and attacked the guy in glasses but when they were trying to get Artest off the court a bit later...

[Duff McCartney]

Kori, it's the guy in the Detroit jersey and the Tigers "D" hat. He comes at Artest in a fighting stance - kind of doing that Jax step at him. Artest swings and knocks him down, then O'Neal (it looked like) comes in and clocks him square and lays him out.

You've got the wrong guy...the guy that O'Neal clocks is just an innocent towel boy. The guy that Artest hit was just some fan that tried to come in and fight....and the towel boy was trying to throw him off the court.

[pooh]

I plead the fifth....that's what I get for leaving Firehouse early. :) But I had fun though tonight, thanks.

[Jimcs50]

No they aren't the same person...the guy I am talking about that was getting some good shots in on the back of Artests head was a black dude...not the intial fight where Artest went and attacked the guy in glasses but when they were trying to get Artest off the court a bit later...

There were two fans sucker punching, one a big black guy in a suit and a guy in white baseball hat.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Somebody got hit by Artest after Artest came back on the court. This guy gives a stutter-step to Artest. Ron swings at him and somebody comes in and just lays the "kid" out. Either O'Neal or Jax.

[whottt]

The fan that started it was wearing a blue jersey and a baseball cap...the guy that got cold cocked by O'Neal was wearing an official Pistons jersey...

[grjr]

Kori, it's the guy in the Detroit jersey and the Tigers "D" hat. He comes at Artest in a fighting stance - kind of doing that Jax step at him. Artest swings and knocks him down, then O'Neal (it looked like) comes in and clocks him square and lays him out.

Yes, this is what I saw also. Then at the end someone in a brown suit comes in and lays one on the other guy in the Piston's jersey who got inbetween Artest and the guy who squared off on him.

[Duff McCartney]

Somebody got hit by Artest after Artest came back on the court. This guy gives a stutter-step to Artest. Ron swings at him and somebody comes in and just lays the "kid" out. Either O'Neal or Jax.

Yeah like I said...the guy Artest swings at and the guy O'Neal hits is not the same person. One is a fan that came on the court and tried to fight Artest...the other one was the towel boy that was trying to throw the fan off the court.

[Kori Ellis]

Then at the end someone in a brown suit comes in and lays one on the other guy in the Piston's jersey

Yeah, that's who I thought was Mike Brown.

[whottt]

There were two fans sucker punching, one a big black guy in a suit and a guy in white baseball hat.


Right, I agree....... the two guys that got the biggest ass kicking were the fan wearing glasses and the ball boy...neither of whom were throwing punches.

That big black guy wasn't the towelboy either...the towelboy looks mexican it's not the same guy that was in the stands.

[whottt]

Yes, this is what I saw also. Then at the end someone in a brown suit comes in and lays one on the other guy in the Piston's jersey who got inbetween Artest and the guy who squared off on him.


And the guy in the Piston's jersey is the one O'Neal laid the fuck out too.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

The fan that started it was wearing a blue jersey and a baseball cap...the guy that got cold cocked by O'Neal was wearing an official Pistons jersey...

Yeah. He was the guy wearing the "Wallace" old-school shooting shirt and a beige cap.

He seems to try and pull Artest off the guy in glasses and a black shirt, then proceeds to get one or two shots at Artest's head from behind. Artest knocks him back with an elbow, then somebody comes in and hits the guy again - O'Neal maybe?

[Spurminator]

Okay... Maybe I'm a bad person for laughing at this... but did anyone see the look on that guy's face right between when he was taunting Artest and when he realized that Artest was coming after HIM?

I hope he's alright, but it was quite amusing.

[PeterBurns]

O'neal hit the wrong dude, he hit the towel boy trying to break it up

[Kori Ellis]

The guy in the brown suit might be Chuck Person -- not Mike Brown. Chuck Person is in a brown suit ushering Artest out of the tunnel.

[Jimcs50]

Well, this is a black eye on our sport and now a Spur NBA championship will mean a whole lot less because mainstream America will totally hate the NBA and go on and on about how it is full of gangsta thugs(probably true) and the class acts like ou SA team will be thrown into the gutter with the scum.

I am sickened by all of this.

[SequSpur]

Brown Suit= Chuck Person?

[Duff McCartney]

Yeah. He was the guy wearing the "Wallace" old-school shooting shirt and a beige cap.

He seems to try and pull Artest off the guy in glasses and a black shirt, then proceeds to get one or two shots at Artest's head from behind. Artest knocks him back with an elbow, then somebody comes in and hits the guy again - O'Neal maybe?

Yeah that's the guy who threw the beer at Artest...and Artest goes after the wrong guy. Like a dumbass he just goes after any fan he gets first. I think the guy who hits him at the end was Fred Jones..and then some other guy grabs Jones and then punches him a few times.

[grjr]

Okay... Maybe I'm a bad person for laughing at this... but did anyone see the look on that guy's face right between when he was taunting Artest and when he realized that Artest was coming after HIM?

I hope he's alright, but it was quite amusing.

I just looked up "Oh Shit" in the online dictionary and there was a picture of that guy's face there. :lol

[Kori Ellis]

Also, the black guy in the suit fighting in the audience has an NBA credential around his neck -- that wasn't a fan.

[Duff McCartney]

Well, this is a black eye on our sport and now a Spur NBA championship will mean a whole lot less because mainstream America will totally hate the NBA and go on and on about how it is full of gangsta thugs(probably true) and the class acts like ou SA team will be thrown into the gutter with the scum.

I am sickened by all of this.

Thats alot of bullshit Jim...if that's the case...then I guess the Red Sox championship means alot less because of that father-son duo that ran out on the field during a White Sox(I think) game and beat one of the White Sox coaches up.

[pooh]

It was quite a mess that's for sure.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'd sure like to hear the radio broadcast since they had to be right on top of everything.

[grjr]

The guy in the brown suit might be Chuck Person -- not Mike Brown. Chuck Person is in a brown suit ushering Artest out of the tunnel.

Yeah, I think you're right. The first time I saw it live I thought Mike Brown was the one in the brown suit there but I saw another clip where it looked like Mike had a grey suit on.

[exstatic]

Damn, I hope that's not Mike Brown. Did anyone catch him on tape during the game? What was he wearing?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

It was quite a mess that's for sure.

You realize your guys are done for the year, right?

No Finals for you. No way. Mark it now.

[pooh]

You realize your guys are done for the year, right?

No Finals for you. No way. Mark it now.


Think both teams are actually.

[Duff McCartney]

So much for the East "catching up" with the West.... :lol

[Jimcs50]

Duff, I will promise you that the NBA will be the redheaded stepchild of prosports from now on.

[Spurminator]

Well, this is a black eye on our sport and now a Spur NBA championship will mean a whole lot less because mainstream America will totally hate the NBA and go on and on about how it is full of gangsta thugs(probably true) and the class acts like ou SA team will be thrown into the gutter with the scum

I don't think it's going to be as serious as you imply... as long as this is an isolated incident.

The Mark Cuban in me even flirts with the possibility that this will create more interest. Particularly for future Pacers/Pistons games. Not that it's for the right reasons... but I don't think the game is in trouble by any stretch.

[JsnSA]

Are you guys sure it was the guy in the white hat that threw the drink?

I was watching the video and before its thrown...he is standing there with his hands in his pockets..and as Artest charges...he is still standing still with his hands in his pockets.

I never saw him throw it....but I might have missed something in the camera angles switching.

[exstatic]

Why is that, Jim? I thought this was all justified?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Milwaukee just ascended to the number 3 spot in the East.

Seriously, though.

This is just bad for all parties involved. Kori pointed out something at Firehouse tonight.

Didja notice 'Sheed trying to restrain the situation for the beginning part of it?

[grjr]

I just looked up "Oh Shit" in the online dictionary and there was a picture of that guy's face there. :lol

Here it is:
http://img35.exs.cx/img35/2959/ohshi1.jpg

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Pistons @ Indiana - Christmas Day

Pistons @ Indiana - January 27th

Pacers @ Detroit - March 25th

[Duff McCartney]

Pistons @ Indiana - Christmas Day

Pistons @ Indiana - January 27th

Pacers @ Detroit - March 25th

It wouldn't surprise me if the NBA cancels those games.

[Jimcs50]

Why is that, Jim? I thought this was all justified?

ex, because mainstream America is what you are...you are shocked ans apalled by all this gansta shit and thugary.....I am a fan of a class team...I am not apalled, because I would have done the same thing, but all the Soccer moms and dads will now have another reason to hate the NBA. Almost everyone I know have zero interest in the NBA because of the nature of the sport, now it will turn off all the fringe fans as well.

[infinite styles]

http://www.infinitestylesinc.com/opinions/FIGHT%20001.mpg

heres a taste of what happened. my homeboy was usin his digital cam to get the action (yes ghetto, but what the hell) I think its all on the fans. a person can only take so much and then thats it. but thats my opinion. i got more vids comin.

[Morphgizmo]

Jim Gray sounds like he's about to bust out crying while giving his report for ESPN News.

[jcrod]

This is totally unbelivable. But their both at fault. I blame the fan for throwing that at artest, and artest for going after the wrong guy. I don't blame the players for fighting though. You almost have too in that situtation.

[pooh]

Pistons @ Indiana - Christmas Day

Pistons @ Indiana - January 27th

Pacers @ Detroit - March 25th


Yeah they'll alll be classics now.

[Spurminator]

Actually, what MAY be bad for the NBA is that the next Pistons/Pacers game falls on Christmas Day, when many people who don't typically watch the NBA will be tuned in. And they will be seeing replays of this incident ad nauseum.

[Duff McCartney]

ex, because mainstream America is what you are...you are shocked ans apalled by all this gansta shit and thugary.....I am a fan of a class team...I am not apalled, because I would have done the same thing, but all the Soccer moms and dads will now have another reason to hate the NBA. Almost everyone I know have zero interest in the NBA because of the nature of the sport, now it will turn off all the fringe fans as well.

I think if a silly fight between a fan and a player was that serious...then nobody would have given a crap about the Red Sox winning the title this year because of the fiasco with Francisco Rodriguez of the Rangers.

I guess that means the Red Sox titles means alot less now huh Jim?

[Jimcs50]

on the other hand we might pick up the fans that like Wrestling and NASCAR.

[samikeyp]

Artest was wrong for an unneccessary foul that late in the game up by that much, BWallace was wrong for overreacting like he did and the fans who threw things were wayyy wrong for that. I don't blame Artest for going into the stands. Its not like the Rangers-A's game when the pitcher went nutty just because people were saying shit. Throwing things crosses a line and at that point, the player has to defend himself. No one was right in this.

[dcole50]

play them on a neutral court or something. :(

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041120/capt.dtp10811200452.pacers_pistons_dtp108.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041120/capt.dtp10411200430.pacers_pistons_dtp104.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041120/capt.dtp10711200433.pacers_pistons_dtp107.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041120/capt.dtp10611200424.pacers_pistons_dtp106.jpg

[jcrod]

If Indiana's coach is saying he felt he was fighting for his life. You got to believe the players felt that way. And if you feel that way in somebodys elses arena, you'll be swinging at everyone who touches you also.

Anybody who says otherwise hasn't experinced shit and don't know what they are talking about.

[exstatic]

ex, because mainstream America is what you are...you are shocked ans apalled by all this gansta shit and thugary.....I am a fan of a class team...I am not apalled, because I would have done the same thing, but all the Soccer moms and dads will now have another reason to hate the NBA. Almost everyone I know have zero interest in the NBA because of the nature of the sport, now it will turn off all the fringe fans as well.

That's...why...you...NEVER go into the stands. They pay your bills.

I don't blame the players for fighting though. You almost have too in that situtation.
Uh, there WAS no fighting until the players went into the stands.

[Jimcs50]

I think if a silly fight between a fan and a player was that serious...then nobody would have given a crap about the Red Sox winning the title this year because of the fiasco with Francisco Rodriguez of the Rangers.

I guess that means the Red Sox titles means alot less now huh Jim?

Baseball is more popular than the NBA, Duff and the Red Sox WS was one of the best stories in the year.

[ShoogarBear]

Pistons @ Indiana - Christmas Day

Pistons @ Indiana - January 27th

Pacers @ Detroit - March 25th

Dude, that is so post #54.

Get some original material.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Dude, that is so post #54.

Get some original material.

I was probably still at Firehouse during post #54. :lol

We even talked about how many threads would be up by the time we got home.

[GoSpurs21]

Dude, you don't go into the stands. Bro, I grew up on the Southside, and believe me I have no fucking problem throwing down. Been there, done that...

What if one of those fans pulled a knife?? What if a little kid was killed or crushed to death? What if some handicapped person was injured?

YOU NEVER GO INTO THE STANDS.... NEVER!!!!!

BUT GUESS WHAT....

RON ARTEST AND STEPHEN JACKSON.....

2 STUPID FUCKS.

I JUST CALLED MY BUDDY AND HE SAID RON ARTEST WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING SHIT.
Sequ - despite your hate for Rasho, I now got your back anytime

As a player you never go after a fan, any player that does that needs to be suspended, no excuse for that behavoir

As a fan, if you through anything at a player or go onto the court you need to be arrested and banned from any future games

the least that should happen is that Detroit should lose the right to sell alcohol at the games for the rest of the season

as for the so called ball boy, he went on the court and confronted J O'Neal, he wasnt innosent

this is black eye for the NBA, this is America people. this kinda shit happens in the 3rd world

[Spurminator]

The self defense argument is preposterous.

It's fucking liquid.

If someone punched you, that's one thing. But beer? No sympathy.

[Duff McCartney]

Baseball is more popular than the NBA, Duff and the Red Sox WS was one of the best stories in the year.

Give me a fucking break man. This is stupid..now you are pulling a double standard...you say the Spurs title if they win one...will mean alot less, even though they have nothing to do with what happened in Detroit....but the Red Sox title isn't tarnished in anyway because of what happened with the Rangers even though the Sox had nothing to do with that as well.

[Jimcs50]

Duff, wait and see...I will tell you I told you so.