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sa_butta
04-29-2007, 01:26 PM
Butta...you were the first person I thought of when they announced Ginn.
I think the Fins blew it on that one.I was so happy when he dropped to 9, but I was in shock when we selected Ginn.
I dont know what to say other than I hope the scouts know something I dont. If Quinn pans out for the Browns, it will be an everlasting Dolphin draft blunder.
sa_butta
04-29-2007, 01:27 PM
No one answered my question.
WHATS THE NEED FOR 15 MINUTES FOR PICKS!!!
:lolNo shit I thought all these teams already have a draft board, they know who they want and who is left. Every team used the whole clock. This had to be the longest draft.
T Park
04-29-2007, 01:29 PM
Well, the fucking raiders have been preparing Draft boards since November :lol
They've prob gone through 500 different mocks and situations.
Christ, 5 mins, make the pick, move on.
samikeyp
04-29-2007, 01:46 PM
No shit I thought all these teams already have a draft board, they know who they want and who is left. Every team used the whole clock. This had to be the longest draft.
I agree...if there is some legit trade talk ok, but if you are set on your guy and he is there...no need to waste time.
TheTruth
04-29-2007, 01:47 PM
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TheTruth
04-29-2007, 01:48 PM
So many things are going on in the first round that teams sometimes do need the entire 15 minutes. Teams are calling in for trades, 2 players are about even on the draft board, i can understand the 15 minutes. Teams are putting their futures on the line. The fucking Raiders should have just made the pick right away though. Fuck them.
TheTruth
04-29-2007, 01:49 PM
My suggestion would be to have a set amount of time for teams ENTIRE draft. 30 minutes total for all of your picks, and a 15 minute max for anyone pick. Something like that.
sa_butta
04-29-2007, 02:04 PM
So many things are going on in the first round that teams sometimes do need the entire 15 minutes. Teams are calling in for trades, 2 players are about even on the draft board, i can understand the 15 minutes. Teams are putting their futures on the line. The fucking Raiders should have just made the pick right away though. Fuck them.I can understand some of that, but you should be prepared before draft day. And if two guys are even on the board, you should have already broken it down as far as team needs and best available.
scott
04-29-2007, 02:34 PM
Jerry Jones and Phil Savage must be in love... just pulled off their 3rd draft trade with each other.
TheTruth
04-29-2007, 02:36 PM
I can understand some of that, but you should be prepared before draft day. And if two guys are even on the board, you should have already broken it down as far as team needs and best available.
you can be prepared as you want to be, but you never know what is going to happen. Tedd Ginn going #9 probably messed with a lot of teams draft boards. 15 minutes flys by for those teams in the war rooms. I can guarantee you that.
TheTruth
04-29-2007, 02:37 PM
Jerry Jones and Phil Savage must be in love... just pulled off their 3rd draft trade with each other.
Two franchises going in opposite directions. Browns making a move to respectability, and the pokes moving to the back of the pack.
leemajors
04-29-2007, 03:24 PM
Two franchises going in opposite directions. Browns making a move to respectability, and the pokes moving to the back of the pack.
delusional.
John Patrick
04-29-2007, 04:07 PM
agreed. the cowboys are one of two teams next year guranteed two first rounders.
and I doubt the Cleveland Browns will finish 15th or worser.
not a word.
mardigan
04-29-2007, 04:11 PM
I just woke up to find the Cowboys didnt pick Mason Crosby and instead picked some kicker Ive never heard of from Arizona, picked a qb that will probably get turned into a reciever, a fullback, a cornerback that used to be a reciever, and some lineman Ive never heard of. Im not to happy with the second day. Maybe its just because I woke up hung over, maybe I will like the picks later on but I doubt it
mardigan
04-29-2007, 04:13 PM
Two franchises going in opposite directions. Browns making a move to respectability, and the pokes moving to the back of the pack.
Your a fucking hater dude, Cowboys have a good team
John Patrick
04-29-2007, 04:32 PM
oh shit Brandon siler.
well if he fell this far......
hopefully ron rivera can groom him to eventually start.
I like a shaun Phillips, Merriman, Cooper and siler as the 4 in the 3-4.
TheSanityAnnex
04-29-2007, 04:38 PM
Siler and Waters in the same draft? Unbelievable. How did Siler fall so far?
John Patrick
04-29-2007, 05:01 PM
guess they thought he checked out at a lower grade than other ILBs
TheTruth
04-29-2007, 05:10 PM
Your a fucking hater dude, Cowboys have a good team
Sorry to be a hater, but what makes the Cowboys so damn good? They have a QB that turned a few good games into a pro bowl appearance and a trip to Carrie's underwoods, and then choked when his team needed him most. A VERY suspect secondary with probably the worst coverage safety in the league. ONE good pass rush threat, and not a single decent defensive lineman. An offensive line that is counting on LEONARD FUCKING DAVIS to turn help turn it around. They rode a hall of fame coach to the playoffs last year, and are going to take some steps back with Wade "I'm Happy To Be Here" Phillips. And another fantastic job by Jerry Jones of picking gems on the second day of the draft. Oh, and TO is in his 2nd season with the Pokes. Just ask the Eagles how he works out his 2nd season, and that was with a team coming off a Super Bowl.
John Patrick
04-29-2007, 05:10 PM
Mr irrelevant ets a lotta perks for being last.
TheTruth
04-29-2007, 05:12 PM
9-7 in the NFC = 6-10 in the AFC
John Patrick
04-29-2007, 05:12 PM
Sorry to be a hater, but what makes the Cowboys so damn good? They have a QB that turned a few good games into a pro bowl appearance and a trip to Carrie's underwoods, and then choked when his team needed him most. A VERY suspect secondary with probably the worst coverage safety in the league. ONE good pass rush threat, and not a single decent defensive lineman. An offensive line that is counting on LEONARD FUCKING DAVIS to turn help turn it around. They rode a hall of fame coach to the playoffs last year, and are going to take some steps back with Wade "I'm Happy To Be Here" Phillips. And another fantastic job by Jerry Jones of picking gems on the second day of the draft. Oh, and TO is in his 2nd season with the Pokes. Just ask the Eagles how he works out his 2nd season, and that was with a team coming off a Super Bowl.
you have repeatedly said you will stop with the Cowboys hate, but this is great.
2 good pass rush threats
fixed
John Patrick
04-29-2007, 05:14 PM
last year's champion QB was taken third overall.
this year's was taken....
oops.. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
TheTruth
04-29-2007, 05:17 PM
you have repeatedly said you will stop with the Cowboys hate, but this is great.
fixed
ah shit man, anyone that has been posting on this site for any extended amount of time knows I give the Cowboys shit, and they give my Broncos shit right back. These guys in this thread are just sensitive. I need Scott to come in here and put the Broncs down somehow.
TheTruth
04-29-2007, 05:18 PM
last year's champion QB was taken third overall.
this year's was taken....
oops.. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
the funny thing is?? He's still a championship QB.
samikeyp
04-29-2007, 05:29 PM
and a trip to Carrie's underwoods,
That was funny. :lmao
John Patrick....Truth is good people. He is gonna bring the smack so don't take it personal. Besides...he has cultivated his Dallas hate to an art form because he knows his Broncos are only playing for third in the AFC :lol
(Scott wasn't here so I thought I would take a shot!)
If the Cowboys do something this season, Truth will give props but until they prove something...they will feel his wrath...and I tend to agree.
leemajors
04-29-2007, 06:32 PM
broncs will have to fight for that wild card, they are light years behind the chargers on both sides of the ball. much better to be in the nfc if you wanna make the super bowl!
TheSanityAnnex
04-29-2007, 06:55 PM
How did H.B. Blades slip so far (6th round)? Along with other LB's?
TheTruth
04-29-2007, 07:07 PM
broncs will have to fight for that wild card, they are light years behind the chargers on both sides of the ball. much better to be in the nfc if you wanna make the super bowl!
Light years? Not so much this year. Jay Cutler IS going to be a great QB. They've added a workhorse RB, the best blocking TE in the league, and Scheffler and Marshall are a year older. The defense is improving, but isn't on the Chargers level yet. But, I can see the competing for the division title this season. People were saying the same the opposite about the Broncos and Chargers before last season. The AFC West is the best in the league, and the Broncos, Chiefs, and Chargers should be battling all season. Chargers are the favorite though.
God, I WISH the broncos were in the NFC.
leemajors
04-29-2007, 07:25 PM
cutler may be a great qb in a couple years, but he's going to struggle next year, esp in that division.
John Patrick
04-30-2007, 11:34 AM
Light years? Not so much this year. Jay Cutler IS going to be a great QB. They've added a workhorse RB, the best blocking TE in the league, and Scheffler and Marshall are a year older. The defense is improving, but isn't on the Chargers level yet. But, I can see the competing for the division title this season. People were saying the same the opposite about the Broncos and Chargers before last season. The AFC West is the best in the league, and the Broncos, Chiefs, and Chargers should be battling all season. Chargers are the favorite though.
God, I WISH the broncos were in the NFC.
well your D beats the shit outaa us in terms of the secondary.
but as for pass rush, run stopping...we got you there, although tim Crowder and Moss will help that tremendously, although I think you couldve gotten Jarvis had you stayed at 21.
Cutler will be great this year, and I look for him to have some huge days against Jammer and Florence, seeing as they both suck. What i wanna know is where the fuck did they get all that cap room?
John Patrick....Truth is good people. He is gonna bring the smack so don't take it personal. Besides...he has cultivated his Dallas hate to an art form because he knows his Broncos are only playing for third in the AFC
ok
the funny thing is?? He's still a championship QB.
yeah youre right
i was supried Blades fell that far. redskins got lucky
mardigan
04-30-2007, 12:09 PM
Cowboys d is a lot better than what Truth will give it credit for. They were great until Ellis went down last year. After he got hurt, we couldnt put any pressure on the QB and the secondary suffered from it the rest of the year. Ellis is coming back, they added Spencer, Carpenter is a year older, and Hamlin will help. I really think that the Boys wil have one of the best d's in the league next year in Wades offense. And somehow to you, Romo could still suck and be a fluke next year but Cutler will be a stud. You should take off your homer shades.
mardigan
04-30-2007, 12:12 PM
Updated: April 30, 2007, 9:58 AM ET
Leak signs free-agent contract with ChicagoESPN.com news services
CHICAGO -- Chris Leak is a Chicago Bear.
Leak, the Florida quarterback who went undrafted in this weekend's NFL draft, signed a free-agent contract with the Bears.
Leak won the college football national championship at Florida last year. His size (a hair under 6 feet tall) was one drawback cited by NFL scouts.
"We were happy that he is with a Super Bowl team like the Bears," his father, Curtis Leak, told the Charlotte Observer on Monday. "It's a good situation for him. That's all that matters to us. I feel great about it."
Leak threw for 2,435 yards and 16 touchdowns last season for Florida.
Florida had eight players selected in the draft, including two in the first round. Defensive end Jarvis Moss went No. 17 to Denver and safety Reggie Nelson was the 21st pick, heading to Jacksonville.
TheSanityAnnex
04-30-2007, 02:31 PM
Cutler will be great this year, and I look for him to have some huge days against Jammer and Florence, seeing as they both suck.
Jammer actually had a pretty decent season last year. Look for Cromartie to get more time this year as well, he showed a lot of promise.
mardigan
04-30-2007, 02:53 PM
Texans | Team signs Zabransky
Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:32:54 -0700
ESPNews reports Boise State QB Jared Zabransky has signed a rookie free-agent contract with the Houston Texans.
TheTruth
04-30-2007, 06:59 PM
Cowboys d is a lot better than what Truth will give it credit for. They were great until Ellis went down last year. After he got hurt, we couldnt put any pressure on the QB and the secondary suffered from it the rest of the year. Ellis is coming back, they added Spencer, Carpenter is a year older, and Hamlin will help. I really think that the Boys wil have one of the best d's in the league next year in Wades offense. And somehow to you, Romo could still suck and be a fluke next year but Cutler will be a stud. You should take off your homer shades.
Big difference betweend Cutler (a rookie) actually getting better from start to start, and Romo (a guy in his 3rd year in the system) getting worse as his season went along. I sure am glad that Carpenter is a year older, cause they just drafted someone in the first round to play his position. Just admit that dude is a bust. Everyone else already has. I can never believe that a defense that relies on Roy Williams and Henry in their secondary will ever be anything but average. Your secondary sucks massive balls. MASSIVE. And yet you guys do nothing to help it in the early part of the draft. I love Jerry Jones. As long as he is around, the Cowboys will never be more than mediocre.
mardigan
04-30-2007, 07:12 PM
Big difference betweend Cutler (a rookie) actually getting better from start to start, and Romo (a guy in his 3rd year in the system) getting worse as his season went along. I sure am glad that Carpenter is a year older, cause they just drafted someone in the first round to play his position. Just admit that dude is a bust. Everyone else already has. I can never believe that a defense that relies on Roy Williams and Henry in their secondary will ever be anything but average. Your secondary sucks massive balls. MASSIVE. And yet you guys do nothing to help it in the early part of the draft. I love Jerry Jones. As long as he is around, the Cowboys will never be more than mediocre.
It was his first year playing, of course he was going to have ups and downs. Im still not sure he is the future, but he has a lot of potential, so I guess we will see. As far as Carpenter, he was drafted as a outside lb, then Parcells tryed to move him inside, that didnt work, and when Ellis got hurt he replaced him later in the year and did great. Carpenter will probably get more snaps next year than Ellis and Spencer, who are both just pass rushers. Carpenter is going to be a damn good lb due to his coverage skills, speed, and his smarts. Spencer was drafted for depth and a added pass rush, but Carpenter is by far the more well rounded of the 2. And as far as our safetys, yea they suck in coverage, but Id still take em over Lynch, Ferguson and Brandon
TheTruth
04-30-2007, 07:15 PM
lol. you guys drafted 2 guys in consecutive years to play the same position? How Bout Them Cowboys???
sa_butta
04-30-2007, 07:20 PM
Texans | Team signs Zabransky
Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:32:54 -0700
ESPNews reports Boise State QB Jared Zabransky has signed a rookie free-agent contract with the Houston Texans.Interesting pick up, Im sure he will be a project for them.
mardigan
04-30-2007, 07:24 PM
lol. you guys drafted 2 guys in consecutive years to play the same position? How Bout Them Cowboys???
We got the best available and another 1st rounder next year in the 1st round, pretty good I think. The Boys didnt have any pressing needs, so we just got the best guy we could. He helps with our depth, pass rush, and overall toughness. Our weakest positions depth wise were lb and dt, we addressed the 1st, and our lb core next year should have great versatility and production. Oh well, Im happy with it, you cant address all your needs, like how your team still doesnt have a #2 reciever
TheTruth
04-30-2007, 07:27 PM
No pressing needs???? You have one "decent" cornerback, two aging wideouts, a very suspect offensive line, and a QB that blew the biggest moment of his life.
Good thing that Carpenter is good in coverage and Spencer is a good pass rusher. Oh wait, those are both going to be needed on passing downs. Carpenter was a wasted pick.
mardigan
04-30-2007, 07:35 PM
No pressing needs???? You have one "decent" cornerback, two aging wideouts, a very suspect offensive line, and a QB that blew the biggest moment of his life.
Good thing that Carpenter is good in coverage and Spencer is a good pass rusher. Oh wait, those are both going to be needed on passing downs. Carpenter was a wasted pick.
Average corner? You obviously havent seen Newman play, he is a top corner in the league. Henry is pretty good himself, although he hasnt been as productive as most Boys fans would have liked. Yea, our starting recievers are old, but can play one more year, so there wasnt any need to draft one this year, especially with the production our 3 young recievers gave us last year. Our o-line is decent, I know people laugh at the Davis signing which is fine. But we drafted two young guys in rounds 3 and 4 this year, so hopefully they can help as well. I would still take the Boys wide outs over Denvers, our secondary over Denvers, our lbs and d-line over Denvers, and our tightends over Denvers. Qbs are a wash, and the Broncs def have a better o-line, running back and kicker, but thats about it. Talk all the shit you want about the Boys, but your team isnt much better if at all
TheTruth
04-30-2007, 07:43 PM
lol mardigan. You'd seriously taker your secondary? I'm done arguing with you. Seriously. You are delusional. LOLOLOLOL. What in the hell has Jason WItten done? I'll take Scheffler and Graham over your TE's every day of the week. ESPECIALLY Sundays. LOL. You are funny man. Leonard Davis is getting paid big bucks? LOL. I love Jerry Jones. Good thing you guys are so good at drafting wasting all that money in Free Agency. Oh wait. Nevermind.Go find some more useless blurbs to post in the offseason thread. You don't need to be arguing actual football. Stick to keeping me updated on the latest waterboy the titans have hired.
TheTruth
04-30-2007, 07:44 PM
2006 Dallas Cowboys 16 15 64 754 11.8 42 1 10 1 37
damn, i didn't even think witten scored a td last year. guess i was wrong.
2006 Denver Broncos 13 5 18 286 15.9 29 4 6 0 15
a better avg per catch, more tds in less games. Yeah, i'll take scheffler over witten.
mardigan
04-30-2007, 07:49 PM
lol mardigan. You'd seriously taker your secondary? I'm done arguing with you. Seriously. You are delusional. LOLOLOLOL. What in the hell has Jason WItten done? I'll take Scheffler and Graham over your TE's every day of the week. ESPECIALLY Sundays. LOL. You are funny man. Leonard Davis is getting paid big bucks? LOL. I love Jerry Jones. Good thing you guys are so good at drafting wasting all that money in Free Agency. Oh wait. Nevermind.Go find some more useless blurbs to post in the offseason thread. You don't need to be arguing actual football. Stick to keeping me updated on the latest waterboy the titans have hired.
You were never arguing because you never made any points. What has Witten done? I really dont think that needs to be answered, as any Cowboy fan would tell you he is a top tight end in the league. And as a whole, yes, I would take the boys secondary over the Broncos two good players in the whole secondary and no depth. How did their secondary do the second half of the year? Trying to act like your opinion is such a great one, youve never added shit with anything you have ever said, except letting us all know youve got a mouth full of Jay Cutler ball sack
leemajors
04-30-2007, 08:47 PM
personally, i would take witten because he is a proven commodity, although not the best blocker. i think denver and dallas have a lot of the same problems - last year both defenses sustained some injuries which affected their ability to rush the passer, and their overall defense really suffered for it. they also both have one really good receiver and another decent one in decline, decent rb tandems, fairly inexperienced qbs, and one really good corner. i think losing al wilson will definitely affect the broncos in a bad way for at least the first quarter of the season.
mardigan
04-30-2007, 08:49 PM
personally, i would take witten because he is a proven commodity, although not the best blocker. i think denver and dallas have a lot of the same problems - last year both defenses sustained some injuries which affected their ability to rush the passer, and their overall defense really suffered for it. they also both have one really good receiver and another decent one in decline, decent rb tandems, fairly inexperienced qbs, and one really good corner. i think losing al wilson will definitely affect the broncos in a bad way for at least the first quarter of the season.
Well, both of the Boys recievers are in decline, but which one are you talking about Lee? And I dont know if your a Boys fan or not, but if you are what do you think of Crayton?
DisgruntledLionFan#54,927
04-30-2007, 08:55 PM
lol. you guys drafted 2 guys in consecutive years to play the same position? How Bout Them Cowboys???
You mean that's not how you build a team? How about 4 out of 5?
Signed,
These two dumb fucks
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/35/358333.jpg
leemajors
04-30-2007, 08:58 PM
Well, both of the Boys recievers are in decline, but which one are you talking about Lee? And I dont know if your a Boys fan or not, but if you are what do you think of Crayton?
i think crayton is a good slot receiver - glenn is theone getting up there in years though. still quick.
Kevin Blackistone
04-30-2007, 09:08 PM
lol. you guys drafted 2 guys in consecutive years to play the same position? How Bout Them Cowboys???
In the 3-4 LB is the position where you need the most depth. Besides, the reason they took Spencer is because they got Cleveland's 1 (which will probably be top 10) for a 3rd and 5th. It allowed them to give up middle rounders to get back into the late 1st.
Wade Phillip's defense (as evidenced by the Chargers of late) is predicated on a supremely good pass rush to negate the need for exceptional corners or coverage safeties. If they get that kind of pass rush going (which is where the Spencer pick fits) Williams will be allowed to roam the line and Newman/Henry should be just fine in coverage.
In the 4-3 the Broncos run - the suspect secondary will be a much bigger issue IMO. Also, Cutler will be mediocre at best this season as he hasn't even gotten anywhere near a full year under his belt, and IMO will not amount to much more than a career mediocre to good QB that won't win it all unless the Broncos manage to get the '00 Ravens defense.
Light Grenades
04-30-2007, 09:11 PM
Well this year will prove if romo is a fluke or not.
Cutler has the one thing all QB's need- a strong arm. His accuracy and decision making skills willl imprvoe over the course of the season. Walker is good, Marshall is suited more to a slot kinda role, and Msith has some stuff left. i personally ackowledge Witten's accomplishments, but id rather have Scheffler and Graham.
Travis Henry is better than Julius Jones, and Marion Barber is better than Mike Bell, also my opinions.
I would rather have Denver's secondary, even with its lack of depth, although Terrence Newman can reach Champ Bailey like heights: the CB you avoid, at all costs.
they are both defenses with problems, but Denver's are easier to fix.
Kevin Blackistone
04-30-2007, 09:11 PM
In fairness, I'm not sold on Romo being anything more than an inconsistent QB, and the Cowboy's OL is going to need a very solid season to be a great team. I'm not sure they have it in them.
Light Grenades
04-30-2007, 09:16 PM
The line looks to be a bit more improved than last year's but it all depends on Leonard's Davis' overpaid shoulders
TheTruth
04-30-2007, 09:28 PM
God bless America.
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