Is Kobe going to be the greatest player to never with a ring?

[stretch]

lol great thread

[monosylab1k]

So for everyone calling me a Kobe hater, this thread is perfect evidence that I'm definitely not.

I don't hate Kobe, I just hate Kobe knobslobbers who say he's as good as Jordan.

[IronMexican]

Pretty retarded thread.

[mytespurs]

Kobe has 3 championship rings.....and he'll win another.......barring a major upset, perhaps this June. :hat

[Kip Dynamite]

Pretty retarded thread.

Your mom is retarded!

[Allanon]

Kobe has 3 championship rings.....and he'll win another.......barring a major upset, perhaps this June. :hat

mytespurs always calls it like it is, whether it's about the Lakers, the Spurs or the Bobcats.

Too bad all Spurs fans couldn't be so objective.

[eisfeld]

This guy reminds me of Jonathan.

chow Jonathan :downspin:

[z0sa]

mytespurs always calls it like it is, whether it's about the Lakers, the Spurs or the Bobcats.

Too bad all Spurs fans couldn't be so objective.

lol, Boston or Cavs or even Spurs beating the Lakers would not be a major upset. You're being subjective, not the opposite.

[Allanon]

lol, Boston or Cavs or even Spurs beating the Lakers would not be a major upset. You're being subjective, not the opposite.

Exhibit A.

[BacktoBasics]

Kobe has accomplished absolutely nothing since the Shaq departure. At best he's established his TMacish identity.

[carrao45]

Shortest thread maybe but it had such potential.

I think its painfully obvious that Kobe has been nothing without Shaq and he has done nothing to prove that he's the kind of player that can make his surrounding squad any better. Kobe will never ever win another ring.

He will however be totally happy stockpiling stats which is all he ever really cared about in the first place.

how would u know what he cares about exactly???
besides he and the lakers will beat your shitty ass spurs team on the way the kobe's 4th championship.

[carrao45]

Shortest thread maybe but it had such potential.

I think its painfully obvious that Kobe has been nothing without Shaq and he has done nothing to prove that he's the kind of player that can make his surrounding squad any better. Kobe will never ever win another ring.

He will however be totally happy stockpiling stats which is all he ever really cared about in the first place.

how would you know what he cares about exactly???
besides kobe and the lakers will stomp your shitty ass spurs team on the way to championship

[BacktoBasics]

how would u know what he cares about exactly???
besides he and the lakers will beat your shitty ass spurs team on the way the kobe's 4th championship.I'm comfortable referencing games such as:

Kobe goes for 81

Kobe's multiple tantrums where he doesn't score in the first half of games to "make a statement" about his lack of passing.

Kobe rapes a young lady in a hotel room.

All those things are an indication of a stat hungry bitch.

[koriwhat]

as much as i despise the lakers there is one man on that team that i give props to... kobe.

dude is flat out the best since... and you know it.

[BacktoBasics]

how would you know what he cares about exactly???
besides kobe and the lakers will stomp your shitty ass spurs team on the way to championshipDouble posting also drives up your post count much like Kobe shooting 30+ times a game.

[BacktoBasics]

as much as i despise the lakers there is one man on that team that i give props to... kobe.

dude is flat out the best since... and you know it.So he's a great scorer. Maybe the best scorer ever....maybe not. He's proven time and time again that he can't win rings without one of the most dominant big man of this era.

[dirk4mvp]

Mavsfan1000 made himself look like a giant retard in this thread.

[IronMexican]

Mavsfan1000 made himself look like a giant retard in this thread.

I was thinking the same thing.

[BacktoBasics]

I however came out looking great

[King]

So he's a great scorer. Maybe the best scorer ever....maybe not. He's proven time and time again that he can't win rings without one of the most dominant big man of this era.

And the Spurs couldn't win crap without Duncan. And the Rockets couldn't win crap without Hakeem.

So, you take one of the most dominant players to ever play the game off a team, and it becomes more difficult for that team to win games. Brilliant f'n hypothesis, Red.

Jordan never won anything without Pippen. He needed a top 50 player of all time to ever win anything. Discuss.

[dirk4mvp]

I however came out looking great

Who knew Dirties_Robbed_Me would evolve from an ordinary troll to the best life coach on the internet?

[BacktoBasics]

And the Spurs couldn't win crap without Duncan. And the Rockets couldn't win crap without Hakeem.

So, you take one of the most dominant players to ever play the game off a team, and it becomes more difficult for that team to win games. Brilliant f'n hypothesis, Red.

Jordan never won anything without Pippen. He needed a top 50 player of all time to ever win anything. Discuss.I'm not disputing anything you just said. None of that has anything to do with Kobe's lack of ability to win it all. Your analogies change nothing and draw no additional conclusions.

However I'd point out that Jordan did it with many different types of teams spanning a decade. Even though Pippen was the constant and really the argument would be Pippen can't win without Jordan not the other way around although I'm willing to catch your drift for the sake of the argument.

[BacktoBasics]

Who knew Dirties_Robbed_Me would evolve from an ordinary troll to the best life coach on the internet?and to think that Dirtiesrobbedme was an evolution of my first nic here many many years back.

[BeeGee]

I put my money on "YES".Dumbest topic ever.

[BacktoBasics]

Dumbest topic ever.Spoken like a true Lakers fan

[z0sa]

Exhibit A.

lakers homer.

[carrao45]

I'm comfortable referencing games such as:

Kobe goes for 81

Kobe's multiple tantrums where he doesn't score in the first half of games to "make a statement" about his lack of passing.

Kobe rapes a young lady in a hotel room.

All those things are an indication of a stat hungry bitch.

jordan, shaq, and even tim duncan have had crazy good scoring games. he passes enough, especially in the triangle offense. and where is there any proof that kobe actually raped the skank with 8 other dude's jizz inside her loose vagina.

[carrao45]

So he's a great scorer. Maybe the best scorer ever....maybe not. He's proven time and time again that he can't win rings without one of the most dominant big man of this era.

who the hell could win a ring with Smushand Kwami brown as starters?
nobody

[gaKNOW!blee]

Exhibit A.

So your saying it would be a major upset if the the team that beat them last year......or the team with the best record in the league defeated the Lakers in the finals?

Quit acting like this current Lakers team walks on water. It's not 2002.

[Allanon]

lakers homer.

Realist. The Lakers are "supposed" to win, anything else is a failure. If the Spurs beat them, it's a huge upset. The Spurs certainly CAN beat the Lakers, but it will not be from the standpoint of the favorites.

Just look at the thread titles to see if Spurs beating the Lakers would be a major upset. I've never seen such doom and gloom in the Duncan Era.

You're in the very, very small minority that thinks the Spurs are favored to beat the Lakers:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2

[Blake]

I however came out looking great

not bad considering this thread was a fail when you started it

[BacktoBasics]

not bad considering this thread was a fail when you started itI think my post count at the time was less than 10.

[Blake]

I think my post count at the time was less than 10.

and look at you today. congrats on all of your accomplishment.

[BacktoBasics]

and look at you today. congrats on all of your accomplishment.
Thats not my point. They thought I was trolling since thats nics post count was low.

[Blake]

Thats not my point. They thought I was trolling since thats nics post count was low.

and look at you today. nobody thinks youre a troll. congrats on your accomplishment.

[lefty]

Worst
Thread
Ever

ANd yet, 11 pages :lmao

[BacktoBasics]

and look at you today. nobody thinks youre a troll. congrats on your accomplishment.God dammit I hate you.

[z0sa]

Realist. The Lakers are "supposed" to win, anything else is a failure.

The Lakers are supposed to win? For a Lakerfan homer, yeah. For everyone else, Boston or Cavs are favorites. Either one of them beating LA would not be a major upset - you have no idea wtf I was saying, do you, or what you said that spurred it on?


You're in the very, very small minority that thinks the Spurs are favored to beat the Lakers:

Never said, nor implied Spurs were favored. Its obvious you misunderstood my response+sent the wrong message in your own post. You should work on your communication skills before you make broad assumptions about every basketball fan.

[Blake]

God dammit I hate you.

:lol

I don't blame you. It must suck to keep getting owned.

[Allanon]

The Lakers are supposed to win? For a Lakerfan homer, yeah. For everyone else, Boston or Cavs are favorites. Either one of them beating LA would not be a major upset - you have no idea wtf I was saying, do you, or what you said that spurred it on?

Yes, that's why the Lakers "winning it all" have the worst payout in Vegas. The Lakers are heavily favored this, year, it's not even close :lol



Never said, nor implied Spurs were favored. Its obvious you misunderstood my response+sent the wrong message in your own post. You should work on your communication skills before you make broad assumptions about every basketball fan.

You have the favorites and you have the underdogs. Spurs would be the underdogs. When the Underdogs beat the Favorites, it's called an "upset". Learn some English.

Read your own words:

lol, Boston or Cavs or even Spurs beating the Lakers would not be a major upset. You're being subjective, not the opposite.

[kingmalaki]

However I'd point out that Jordan did it with many different types of teams spanning a decade. Even though Pippen was the constant and really the argument would be Pippen can't win without Jordan not the other way around although I'm willing to catch your drift for the sake of the argument.

That's not true at all (the bolded part). The first 3 peat team was built around 3 great defenders (MJ, Pip and Grant), dudes who could make wide open 3's and, interchangeable centers and the fact that MJ could score in the clutch. The second 3 peat team was basically the same. Players changed but the "type of team" was basically the same. If anything, the 2nd team was better because they upgraded at PF and had Kukoc who could score off the bench. They lost in 95 when one of the key pieces...a PF who could defend inside and out...was no longer there.

IIRC MJ has never won one playoff series without Pippen. I believe Pippen almost led the Bulls to the ECF without MJ, and he did get to the WCF with the Blazers. Pippen has actually had more playoff success than MJ on his own....granted he has obviously been on better teams. Which gets to the main point...surround Kobe with enough talent and he is good enough to lead a team to a title.

[cobbler]

The Lakers are supposed to win? For a Lakerfan homer, yeah. For everyone else, Boston or Cavs are favorites. Either one of them beating LA would not be a major upset - you have no idea wtf I was saying, do you, or what you said that spurred it on?



Never said, nor implied Spurs were favored. Its obvious you misunderstood my response+sent the wrong message in your own post. You should work on your communication skills before you make broad assumptions about every basketball fan.

NBA Championship 2009 as of March 28th

Atlanta Hawks 4/1

Boston Celtics 7/2

Charlotte Bobcats 400/1

Chicago Bulls 150/1

Cleveland Cavaliers 9/4

Dallas Mavericks 65/1

Denver Nuggets 25/1

Detroit Pistons 50/1

Houston Rockets 25/1

Indiana Pacers 250/1

Los Angeles Lakers 19/10

Miami Heat 65/1

Milwaukee Bucks 300/1

New Jersey Nets 400/1

New Orleans Hornets 25/1

New York Knicks 350/1

Orlando Magic 10/1

Philadelphia 76ers 80/1

Phoenix Suns 80/1

Portland Trail Blazers 35/1

San Antonio Spurs 9/1

Toronto Raptors 500/1

Utah Jazz 18/1

[z0sa]

Yes, that's why the Lakers "winning it all" have the worst payout in Vegas. The Lakers are heavily favored this, year, it's not even close :lol

the 04-05 Lakers had 5/2 odds going into the season ... :lol



You have the favorites and you have the underdogs.

According to you. I do not go by this classification system. I will play along to show you why you're wrong.


Spurs would be the underdogs. When the Underdogs beat the Favorites, it's called an "upset".

So Boston beating LA would be an upset?


Learn some English.

Sounds like your problem, not mine.


Read your own words

Spurs, Cavs, or Boston beating LA would not be a major upset. Period. Boston most definitely is favored in a series after last Finals.

[Blake]

NBA Championship 2009 as of March 28th

Atlanta Hawks 4/1

Boston Celtics 7/2

Charlotte Bobcats 400/1

Chicago Bulls 150/1

Cleveland Cavaliers 9/4

Dallas Mavericks 65/1

Denver Nuggets 25/1

Detroit Pistons 50/1

Houston Rockets 25/1

Indiana Pacers 250/1

Los Angeles Lakers 19/10

Miami Heat 65/1

Milwaukee Bucks 300/1

New Jersey Nets 400/1

New Orleans Hornets 25/1

New York Knicks 350/1

Orlando Magic 10/1

Philadelphia 76ers 80/1

Phoenix Suns 80/1

Portland Trail Blazers 35/1

San Antonio Spurs 9/1

Toronto Raptors 500/1

Utah Jazz 18/1

the hawks are 4/1? that's gotta be a mistake. I'd much rather drop my dollar on the Spurs or even the Magic.

interesting that the Jazz are more favored than the Nuggets.

[Allanon]

the 04-05 Lakers had 5/2 odds going into the season ... :lol

Although they lost, that doesn't change the fact that the Lakers were favored.



According to you. I do not go by this classification system. I will play along to show you why you're wrong.

Yes, that is why I said you are the small minority, you have your own classifcation.



So Boston beating LA would be an upset?

Yes, see Vegas odds posted by Cobbler. Celtics are the underdogs.



Sounds like your problem, not mine.

Sounds like a personal problem to me.



Spurs, Cavs, or Boston beating LA would not be a major upset. Period. Boston most definitely is favored in a series after last Finals.

See Cobbler's odds. Favored teams get the worst payouts. Lakers have the worst payout. It appears in your world that the favorites get the best payouts. Vegas would go broke with your "classification".

[Allanon]

Spurs, Cavs, or Boston beating LA would not be a major upset. Period. Boston most definitely is favored in a series after last Finals.

Lefty's posted an article for you, and he's definitely not a "Laker homerfan". Your beloved and "favored" Celtics are getting +400 and the Spurs up to +500. And even the Cavs are a +200.

But don't let facts get in the way in Zosa's world. :lol

Boston Celtics repeat chances growing slimmer (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121878)

[z0sa]

Lefty's posted an article for you, and he's definitely not a "Laker homerfan". Your beloved and "favored" Celtics are getting +400 and the Spurs up to +500. And even the Cavs are a +200.

But don't let facts get in the way in Zosa's world. :lol

Boston Celtics repeat chances growing slimmer (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121878)

I bet you're a big fan of Hollinger.

In the real scenario with many different factors and not just one, every fan knows Boston teabagged Kobe and Co. last Finals, and could easily do it again this year.

what a homer, "if ANY team beats us its a huge upset."

You're not the defending champs. LA got assfucked in the Finals by forty by the very team you say is the underdog - an underdog on course for 60+ wins again. Don't let these facts get in the way of "allanon's homerism."

[Allanon]

I bet you're a big fan of Hollinger.

In the real scenario with many different factors and not just one, every fan knows Boston teabagged Kobe and Co. last Finals, and could easily do it again this year.

what a homer, "if ANY team beats us its a huge upset."

This is the real world, not the fantasy league.

Those are the current Vegas odds, not some fan's opinion or the ramblings of a mathematical geek. $$Billions$$ of dollars are at stake, and only in your world are the Lakers the underdogs.

Lakers with <+100 while the lowest for anybody else is >+200 makes the Lakers the very clear favorites.

Read the article by Mr. Lefty, it explains it all quite clearly.

[z0sa]

and only in your world are the Lakers the underdogs.

only in your world is boston beating LA again a major upset :lol

[Allanon]

only in your world is boston beating LA again a major upset :lol

Yah, real favorites, Boston +400 payout. :lmao

[z0sa]

Yah, real favorites, Boston +400 payout. :lmao

who said they were favorites smart guy? who said they aren't the underdog?

you're the one going on about major upsets, homer.

[BRHornet45]

sons the answer is YES. Let me refresh your memories. god bless ....

1999-00 NBA Finals MVP - Shaquille O'Neal
2000-01 NBA Finals MVP - Shaquille O'Neal
2001-02 NBA Finals MVP - Shaquille O'Neal

[Allanon]

who said they were favorites smart guy? who said they aren't the underdog?

you're the one going on about major upsets, homer.


Spurs, Cavs, or Boston beating LA would not be a major upset. Period. Boston most definitely is favored in a series after last Finals.

Spurs +500 payout <-- Underdog
Boston +400 payout <-- Underdog
Cavs +200 payout <-- Underdog

Lakers +80 payout <-- Favorite

Underdog beats Favorite=Upset

[z0sa]

Underdog(anyone) beats Lakers=Major Upset

according to you

[z0sa]

The Lakers are "supposed" to win, anything else is a failure.

if this isn't homer talk, dunno what is

[lefty]

Starting this thread was stupid to begin with.

Sure, Kobe hasn't won shit since Shaq left, but he was still a contributor during the 3-peat.

The guy was part of the dynamic duo; Shaq wouldn't have won without Kobe either.

And to be fair, Kobe had a shitty team around him after Shaq, GP and Malone left

[Allanon]

according to you

and the billion (trillion?) dollar betting industry.

:lmao:lmao

[z0sa]

Kobe has 3 championship rings.....and he'll win another.......barring a major upset, perhaps this June. :hat


mytespurs always calls it like it is, whether it's about the Lakers, the Spurs or the Bobcats.

Too bad all Spurs fans couldn't be so objective.


lol, Boston or Cavs or even Spurs beating the Lakers would not be a major upset. You're being subjective, not the opposite.


Exhibit A.

[Allanon]

Spurs +500 payout <-- Underdog
Boston +400 payout <-- Underdog
Cavs +200 payout <-- Underdog

Lakers +80 payout <-- Favorite

[z0sa]

Underdog(anyone) beats Lakers=Major Upset

[z0sa]

and the billion (trillion?) dollar betting industry.

:lmao:lmao

they go off of one factor: odds. The odds don't specify whether or not a matchup would be a major upset or not, only which team is favored to win.

[Allanon]

Zosa's Homer's Paradise Casino:

Spurs -1000 payout
Celtics -800 payout
Cavs -400 payout

Lakers +5000 payout

[z0sa]

i'm clearly angry someone said another team beating my Kobes would not require a major upset.

you're just too much of a homer that you misread the "major" part when you got all butthurt someone disagreed with you.

[Allanon]

you're just too much of a homer that you misread the "major" part when you got all butthurt someone disagreed with you.

Oh, so now you realize it is an upset but want to differentiate between different kinds of upsets.

Ok.....I'm a homer. Just go have a look at the posts by your fellow Spurs fans today. Those are the posts of a team that is winning it all.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2

:lmao

[z0sa]

Oh, so now you realize it is an upset but want to differentiate between different kinds of upsets.

Ok..... :lmao

i clearly said major upset from the first reply I made. you're the one who can't read :wakeup

you should learn english.

^^ lol, pathetic edit. I could give a fuck what a handful of spurfan's opinions are, first and foremost.

second, it has literally NOTHING to do with Cavs or Boston beating LA not equalling a major upset :lol Boston are the defending champs, no matter what vegas odds have going, they're the team to beat.

[Allanon]

i clearly said major upset from the first reply I made. you're the one who can't read :wakeup

Sure you can say I'm a homer, let's have a look at your fellow Spurs fans who think the Spurs are winning it all this year:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2

There are some real tasty tidbits on your champion Spurs there.

Some of my favorites "The Boys are toast, dudes" :lmao

Yup obviously no major upset there.

[z0sa]

i misread what you said which is why i'm changing the subject

again, i give <2 shits about what the cliffjumpers in the Spurs forum are saying.

[Allanon]

again, i give <2 shits about what the cliffjumpers in the Spurs forum are saying.

Ah yes, Zosa's world, Spurs 2009 Champs, Uber-Favorites and team of the next 10 decades.

[z0sa]

Ah yes, Zosa's world, Spurs 2009 Champs.

Yes.

Allanon's world, where the defending champs beating LA is a major upset.

[Allanon]

Yes.

Allanon's world, where the defending champs beating LA is a major upset.

Only a few $billion on the line in my world.

Boston +400
Lakers +80

[z0sa]

Only a few $billion on the line in my world.

Boston +400
Lakers +80

04-05 Laker odds before the season: 5/2
your world can be full of shit, last I checked Kobe didn't make the playoffs that year.

you're a big fan of hollinger.

[Allanon]

Boston Celtics repeat chances growing slimmer (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121878)

[hitmanyr2k]

The Jazz, Hornets, Mavs, Blazers, or Nuggets beating the Lakers in the playoffs would be a major upset.

The Celtics are defending champs. Those guys beating LA would not be a major upset. The Cavs have arguably the best player in the league and the best record in the league. If they were to beat LA in the Finals would anyone in the basketball world be shocked? I doubt it.

[Allanon]

The Jazz, Hornets, Mavs, Blazers, or Nuggets beating the Lakers in the playoffs would be a major upset.

The Celtics are defending champs. Those guys beating LA would not be a major upset.
The Cavs have arguably the best player in the league and the best record in the league. If they were to beat LA in the Finals would anyone in the basketball world be shocked? I doubt it.

The Celtics are underdogs because they are missing KG and his health is questionable. Vegas is giving bettors a +400 return...that's crazy high.

The Spurs are underdogs because the health of Manu and Duncan is questionable. Vegas is giving bettors a +500 return...that's super-duper high.

The Cavs are underdogs because the health of Ben Wallace is questionable and the Cavs were blown out by the Lakers twice. Vegas is giving bettors +200 return, that's also high. Not as high but they are obviously underdogs to the Lakers and would be a major upset to win.

Thus the Lakers are the clear favorites with the only healthy team.

[anonoftheinternets]

The Celtics are underdogs because they are missing KG and his health is questionable. Vegas is giving bettors a +400 return...that's crazy high.

The Spurs are underdogs because the health of Manu and Duncan is questionable. Vegas is giving bettors a +500 return...that's super-duper high.

The Cavs are underdogs because the health of Ben Wallace is questionable and the Cavs were blown out by the Lakers twice. Vegas is giving bettors +200 return, that's also high. Not as high but they are obviously underdogs to the Lakers and would be a major upset to win.

Thus the Lakers are the clear favorites with the only healthy team.

cmon man, show some respect to the defending champs. if lakers do win this year, they would be favs for next. Deal?

Defending champs always > betting odds. One is fact and the other is conjecture.

To be the man, u have to beat the man. Just looking like u may beat the man is not enough. (See Dallas 2007).

[Allanon]

cmon man, show some respect to the defending champs. if lakers do win this year, they would be favs for next. Deal?

Defending champs always > betting odds. One is fact and the other is conjecture.

I'm not making up the numbers, it's for real.

Look up the current Vegas lines. KG is seriously hurting. If KG was not hurting, I totally would see your point.

A healthy KG would have made the Celtics favorites in anybody's world...but the key piece to Boston is hurting.

These are the KG-less defending champs and thus their beating the Lakers is very doubtful. If the Lakers were missing Kobe or Pau, they have no chance of winning jack this year.

The same has to be said of Boston...defending champs or not, they are missing their superstar player.

Being the defending Champs can't make up for missing your Main man...it's not a fair fight.

Missing/Injured KG, the defending world-champion Celtics would lose to the Cavs, Lakers and yes, even the Spurs in a seven game series.

[fevertrees]

Kobe=rapist

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

Clippers= Worst franchise ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!