Damn Mavs fans......23pts, 15rb, 5 stls and a block

[lebomb]

......is not all that bad for Dirk. I guess yall need him to score 40pts in order to win a freaking game!!! How can yall blame him for the loss??? Hell Duncans numbers are about in line with what Dirk had, BUT!!! Duncan had some damn help!!!

LOL......yall kill me. :lol

[Islymore]

Nobody is blaming Dirk for the loss. I'm sayin the guy faded and he did. It cannot be denied. He started the series - already defeated. So yes, I am callin' him out. But I never blamed him for any of the losses. That is a collective problem. But him not showing up for not one game... ?? How dare the fans NOT say something??

Please. I would be more upset if nobody said anything about the guy and his poor performance so many times repeatedly in the playoffs. I'm glad more fans are vocal about it.

Out of that 23 pts, we know 6 came in the FINAL 30 seconds... so out of that 17, how many pts were from the FT line? I dont remember.

[ElNono]

You are comparing apples to oranges. TimVP is actually male and has balls.

[monosylab1k]

......is not all that bad for Dirk. I guess yall need him to score 40pts in order to win a freaking game!!! How can yall blame him for the loss??? Hell Duncans numbers are about in line with what Dirk had, BUT!!! Duncan had some damn help!!!

LOL......yall kill me. :lol

17 points, those last 2 desperation three's don't count.

and this is the playoffs, he's playing more minutes, he should be scoring more points and not deferring to stackhouse or devean fucking george.

[mardigan]

He only shot 4 free thows because he refuses to drive to the rim, he shot under 50% again, and had a 1/1 assist to turnover ratio. His teamates didnt really help him out, but if he is going to go to the line 4 times in a game, they wont win.

[Islymore]

17 points, those last 2 desperation three's don't count.

and this is the playoffs, he's playing more minutes, he should be scoring more points and not deferring to stackhouse or devean fucking george.


and he only took those last two 3's in hopes that he would get an additional & 1 called. he was tryin to hard to look like he got fouled both times.

[Trainwreck2100]

6 of those points came pretty late

[lebomb]

OK.....my bad......I didnt know he had only 17 and the rest was garbage time........Dayum....he did suck ass.

[LEONARD]

His lack of assists surprises me most...when the Mavs were really rolling along this season, he was getting 6, 7, 8 assists...

Dirk has been below avg, but I don't blame it all on him...just like I didn't blame him for the finals meltdown last year. People just love to hate the guy...

[johnut32]

Interestingly, I feel that Terry has been the reason for our lack of success against GS. He has been ineffective against Davis both on defense and offense. Notice, our one win coincided with Terry scoring 28 and Davis getting ejected.

Before last night, I felt game 2 would have been won regardless of the Davis and Jackson ejections. watching us blow a 7 point lead in the 4th makes me not so sure now.

If Terry steps up his game, then we have a shot.

[mardigan]

His lack of assists surprises me most...when the Mavs were really rolling along this season, he was getting 6, 7, 8 assists...

Dirk has been below avg, but I don't blame it all on him...just like I didn't blame him for the finals meltdown last year. People just love to hate the guy...
If it was any other un-acclomplished superstar he would be getting ripped as well, kind of the way Kobe and Lebron have gotten ripped all year. He is the teams best player and league MVP, how could you not expect all of the blame to come down on him? In fact , he seems to be getting more of a pass than most guys get, the media hasnt really been as hard on him as thye are on others, only Mav fans are ripping him really, and it is well deserved

[Shank]

Guard play isn't helping, either.

[Cry Havoc]

Not to mention that a few of his shots were so badly off target that they either airballed (bad), or even worse.... led to a fast break for the Warriors.

[picnroll]

Nellie knows Dirk's game better than Dirk does.

[hater]

Dirk is a pussy, but so is Jhoe, Terry, Devin, Dampier, everyone else except for diop and stackhoe

[LEONARD]

LOL...the last 6 pts doesn't count??

So what if Harris doesn't throw it away and gets it to Howard who hits a 3 at the buzzer?? Then Dirk would've been "clutch" and "big time" etc etc...


If it was any other un-acclomplished superstar he would be getting ripped as well, kind of the way Kobe and Lebron have gotten ripped all year. He is the teams best player and league MVP, how could you not expect all of the blame to come down on him? In fact , he seems to be getting more of a pass than most guys get, the media hasnt really been as hard on him as thye are on others, only Mav fans are ripping him really, and it is well deserved

I was speaking more in general...not just this series or even the finals. People seem to over-state his failures and under-state his successes...

[Cry Havoc]

and under-state his successes...

What are those, again?

[LEONARD]

What are those, again?

didn't see that coming... :lol

Everything but a ring and an MVP...

and you just proved my point, btw...

[Islymore]

Not to mention that a few of his shots were so badly off target that they either airballed (bad), or even worse.... led to a fast break for the Warriors.

hell yeah... man that one shot he took that flew right by the hoop out of bounds... i just knew AJ was gonna pull him for jackin up such a wild shot with time enuf for 1 more pass...

[Cry Havoc]

hell yeah... man that one shot he took that flew right by the hoop out of bounds... i just knew AJ was gonna pull him for jackin up such a wild shot with time enuf for 1 more pass...

I'd still leave Dirk in. I mean, wtf? One airball <<< a history of drilling 3s with accuracy.

It was a bad night for Dirk, but he can still hit the shot. Leave him in instead of killing his confidence by pulling him.

[ElNono]

It was a bad night for Dirk.

It's been 4 bad nights for Dirk...

[Islymore]

^ Thank you... 4 bad nights...IN A ROW! Let him play thru it until the series is over?

Plus I think his confidence was down after Game 1 or something... he hasnt been able to get it back.

[Findog]

There were several possessions in the fourth quarter where the Mavs advanced the ball, and he stood around at the arc and refused to call for the ball, or he received a pass and immediately gave it back up without even trying to attack. There were several instances where we actually got the matchup we wanted...Dirk iso'd on Barnes or some other much shorter guy without a chance in hell of normally being able to guard him, and he hesitated instead of attacking. In that situation he was 10 feet in at the elbow, he could've just backed him down and dunked on him, or shot over him since you can't block a 7-footer's jumpshot. Numbers don't tell everything.

For what it's worth...he had the best +/- of any Mav in Game Four...we were +7 when he was on the floor.

It's not like Dirk hasn't been guarded like this before. But the guy who cut up San Antonio and Phoenix is not the same guy flailing away in this series. His problem is between his ears. Someone else referred to it as "Brad Lidge disease."

I will always maintain that if we had last year's Dirk in this series, we would've made short work of Golden State. As it is, by turning him into a role player and Davis playing the series of his life, they're probably gonna take this in 6, if not tonite.

[bdictjames]

yeah.. I havent seen Dirk do that pumpfist everytime he makes a good shot. This isnt the Mav team in the regular season, and this wasnt the Warrior team who won 40 games.

[Cry Havoc]

^ Thank you... 4 bad nights...IN A ROW! Let him play thru it until the series is over?

Plus I think his confidence was down after Game 1 or something... he hasnt been able to get it back.

All due respect to the Mavs bench, but what are you going to do if you sit Nowitzki? If he's really playing that bad, sit him for 30 minutes and let him work in limited time off the bench.

It makes no sense. I don't care if he's struggling, he's your team. Avery needs to slap him and piss him off a little bit. Until then, leave him on the floor, if nothing else for his 23-15. He's not shooting well, but who ELSE on your team can step up? Stack? Seriously. Terry? Maybe, but he's inconsistent and streaky. Josh disappears in the fourth and doesn't seem to have that desire to win in crunch time.

It has to be Dirk. It has to be. If he sucks, the series is over anyway, so put him on the floor, tell him to be aggressive, and hope for the best. If he finds his rhythm and grooves a few, you guys can still win this series.

[MadDog73]

Question: Do people believe that the Nuggets have any chance to win 3 straight against a healthy Spurs game?

So, why do people think Dallas can win 3 straight against Warriors?

Let's say Dirk scores 40 points.... I still don't think it will win the game without some serious stops against GS.

But, we'll see what happens tonight. A win tonight in Dallas, and maybe, just maybe, Mavs can win Game 6.

[mardigan]

Question: Do people believe that the Nuggets have any chance to win 3 straight against a healthy Spurs game?

So, why do people think Dallas can win 3 straight against Warriors?

Let's say Dirk scores 40 points.... I still don't think it will win the game without some serious stops against GS.

But, we'll see what happens tonight. A win tonight in Dallas, and maybe, just maybe, Mavs can win Game 6.
Nuggets are a 6 seed going into SA down 3-1.
The Mavs are a one seed who gets the benifit of the doubt going back into their gym, that is why

[Islymore]

HAVOC - I agree with the rotate him off the bench, I never said sit him for the rest of the game or the series. Just pull him if you see he's in a rut. Which he hasnt been able to play thru and come out of this entire series. Just that AJ should have pulled him for a while.

I know he's the team, I got all your points. We are on the same page...

and the Nuggets dont have a chance unless the Spurs go into Brainfart mode... but that doesn't mean the Mavs cant suddenly outscore GS... lol...

[MadDog73]

Nuggets are a 6 seed going into SA down 3-1.
The Mavs are a one seed who gets the benifit of the doubt going back into their gym, that is why


Bah. Seeding doesn't matter. That's been proved over and over in the playoffs...

Right now, the Warriors are playing harder than the Mavs. Now, that could change, and being back in Dallas could help, BUT the Mavs still need to win in Oakland.

The difference is, the Warriors know they can beat the Mavs in Dallas. Hell, if they kept their composure in Game 2, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I just think that Dallas' chances are slim to none, and it seems their seeding is giving people false hope (not just here, but SI as well...)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/ian_thomsen/05/01/mavs/index.html

[Kobulingam]

......is not all that bad for Dirk. I guess yall need him to score 40pts in order to win a freaking game!!! How can yall blame him for the loss??? Hell Duncans numbers are about in line with what Dirk had, BUT!!! Duncan had some damn help!!!

LOL......yall kill me. :lol


6 of those points came on two desperation threes when the game was out of hand.

[LEONARD]

6 of those points came on two desperation threes when the game was out of hand.

but he still hit the shots...

what if Harris gets the ball in to a wide open Howard and he hits a 3??

[monosylab1k]

but he still hit the shots...

what if Harris gets the ball in to a wide open Howard and he hits a 3??

then Howard is the guy who hit a clutch shot.

[LEONARD]

then Howard is the guy who hit a clutch shot.

and Dirk's were still meaningless?

Makes sense... :dizzy

[monosylab1k]

and Dirk's were still meaningless?

Makes sense... :dizzy

they're not meaningless....but you've gotta admit that there's a huge amount of difference between heaving up a desperation three when your team has almost no chance of winning, and hitting the game-tying 3-pointer to send it to OT. if dirk hits THAT shot, then he's doing something clutch.

[LEONARD]

I get what you're saying, I've just found it funny that some people are saying he really scored 17 pts because those 6 don't count...

I'd rather he have hit on the shots he air-balled (WTF?) instead, but he still hit the shots and they still had a chance at the buzzer...

[MadDog73]

not to mention, no D.

GS made sure they didn't even breathe on Dirk for those final 3's...

[LEONARD]

not to mention, no D.

GS made sure they didn't even breathe on Dirk for those final 3's...

Jackson was right in front of Dirk (very close) with both arms straight up in front of him on one of them...