He should be a Spur.

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_derek_fisher.jpg

He's been a big part of keeping the Jazz in this game tonight and now with the lead. Poise, leadership, experience, and calm. The perfect backup point for the Spurs right now. Too bad the Spurs couldn't have lured him away back in '01 or whenever. 0.4* wouldn't be seared into our memories.

[GrandeDavid]

I figured that "0.4" would make you guys not particularly fond of him...

.4 wouldn't have happened had the Spurs lured him when Marcus suggested.

[BigBeezie]

It's funny that you posted this, because I agree 100%. I wondered why the Spurs didn't go after him. He is still pretty young and has won some big games. He is obviously much better than a lot of options out there.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

When you don't want good players to be good against your team, you either beat them or get them to join you.

Fisher >>>>> Vaughn >>>>> HITA >>>>> Beno

[Marcus Bryant]

Mario Elie, Jerome Kersey, and Robert Horry have donned the Silver & Black. Robert Fing Horry is now a Spurs Legend. How crazy is that?

[ThomasGranger]

.

[ChumpDumper]

Lured in 01? The year we begged Bruce to sign for the minimum? What were we going to lure him with When we had three point guards under contract?

[schadenfreude52]

.4 wouldn't have happened had the Spurs lured him when Marcus suggested.

yeah, I misread it the first time...

[Marcus Bryant]

Lured in 01? The year we begged Bruce to sign for the minimum? What were we going to lure him with?

Whenever he was a free agent during the Lakers' run in '00-'02. Pop invited him out for a visit then.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, nice of you to narrow it down.

[Marcus Bryant]

Nice of you to crawl up the ass of this thread.

[ChumpDumper]

Go bump your Troy Murphy thread.

[Marcus Bryant]

Looks like it's a double fister tonight for the Kotex.

[ChumpDumper]

"got to be got"

[T Park]

:lol

I think it was summer o 99.

Him and Lammond Murray were the FA targets.

Would've prevented 01 as well....


Its a shame the Spurs couldn't have swung a deal trading Brent Barry for him this past summer.

[timvp]

Spurs could have had him this summer. But yeah cap space or whatever is more important than having a real backup point.

[Marcus Bryant]

Nah, not '99. Probably '01. Fisher had a couple rings by then, IIRC.

[missmyzte]

Fish has learned his place again. Playing with the 3-peat Lakers (and after 0.4), he got a bit full of himself and when it came time to re-sign, he wanted an outrageous contract and demanded to be a starter. Lakers let him walk. He signed with Golden State for way more than he was worth, then was benched because they realized that he's not as good as he thought he was and then traded.

Fish has value when he knows his role. He's a good guy and you gotta feel for him with all he's going through with his daughter. It was too bad that he took the stance that he did and had to leave LA.

[ChumpDumper]

I like Fisher, but $26 million is a bit steep for the last four years of his deal.

[T Park]

Spurs could have had him this summer. But yeah cap space or whatever is more important than having a real backup point.

god the horse isn't even there anymore.

The beatings are now on the ground where the horse once laid.

[T Park]

Fish has learned his place again. Playing with the 3-peat Lakers (and after 0.4), he got a bit full of himself and when it came time to re-sign, he wanted an outrageous contract and demanded to be a starter. Lakers let him walk. He signed with Golden State for way more than he was worth, then was benched because they realized that he's not as good as he thought he was and then traded.


Hmmm.

Chucky Atkins and Smush Parker, or Derek Fisher.


Hmmmmm.


Yeah Ill go with with Atkins and Parker :lmao


Great move Malcovich.

[exstatic]

We got the PG we needed in the summer of 2001.

[timvp]

Fisher in the Spurs system would be deadly. Then again, with Jacque Vaughn playing like Jacque Vaughn again, a PG with a pulse would be nice.

But you usually can't find one with minimum contract offers.

[Marcus Bryant]

What are we waiting for? I'd rather have Fisher than Vaughn and Murphy than Elson.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Derek Fisher is the last player I want in SA, can you imagine how many times espn, tnt, abc, and every other broadcasting company would show the .04? It would get so sickening, I vowed I would never watch that clip again.

I would rather have Kevin Dyson sign with the Bills. (Im a Bills fan)

[ChumpDumper]

What are we waiting for? I'd rather have Fisher than Vaughn and Murphy than Elson.We're waiting for you to write the $76 million check.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'll remember that the next time I see you advocate a player acquisition. Which would be your first, of course.

[T Park]

Derek Fisher is the last player I want in SA, can you imagine how many times espn, tnt, abc, and every other broadcasting company would show the .04? It would get so sickening, I vowed I would never watch that clip again.

So your gonna not want to improve the team, just because of one shot from a guy who wanted to win a game?

Uh ok....

[ChumpDumper]

Lately I've been advocating buying low, mainly D-Leaguers that are showing potential because that's what I follow and that's the kind of money that is available to us -- not buying at the very height of the market and overpaying some guy like Murphy that was guaranteed to never live up to his asking price -- even if he had been available. You haven't read them because, well, you're an idiot. Not much to be done about that.

[exstatic]

Interesting that dumping Murphy propelled GS from the outhouse to the penthouse...he seems more like a Celtic affirmative action type than a Spur.

[Marcus Bryant]

Damn, someone is raggin' tonight. D league talent ends up low on the Depth charts. Great idea.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs came really close to getting Fisher in the summer of 99. I remember Aldridge reporting it as almost done.

[Big P]

Fisher is a nice role player, but he is not worth $26 mil & Murphy? Please, a soft jump shooting PF? His contract is even more ridiculous. $50 mil. Had we signed the 2 players you advocated, not only would we be so far over the salary cap, but we also wouldn't have a chance to improve because of salary constraints. And I know, now is when you go on about Holt is cheap, etc...dude its old, be glad we have won 3 championships, we still have our big 3 & will be able to compete & have a chance to win the champioship for a few more years. Spending $76 mil on 2 mediocre bench role players is just stupid.

[Dave McNulla]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_derek_fisher.jpg

He's been a big part of keeping the Jazz in this game tonight and now with the lead. Poise, leadership, experience, and calm. The perfect backup point for the Spurs right now. Too bad the Spurs couldn't have lured him away back in '01 or whenever. 0.4* wouldn't be seared into our memories.
how about 36 million for six years? i think that's a reason that he isn't a spur.

[gaKNOW!blee]

So your gonna not want to improve the team, just because of one shot from a guy who wanted to win a game?

Uh ok....


as of right now, how much does the team need improved, we are up 2-1 in the WCSF. I dont want any other players if we win a championship, and if we dont its not because of our backup point guard play. It would be more of a distraction than anything.

[ChumpDumper]

Damn, someone is raggin' tonight. D league talent ends up low on the Depth charts. Great idea.Except when they end up starting for playoff teams

Murphy got $16 million to average 34 games the past two years. Great idea.

[T Park]

The Spurs came really close to getting Fisher in the summer of 99. I remember Aldridge reporting it as almost done.


Yup, I remember that as well.

Fisher on the Spurs right now would make them unstoppable.

Hes Robert Horry but at the PG position.

[mikekim]

I have no clue about contract specifications or whatnot but...

what is the reason why we couldn't get him when he left the lakers (right after .4?) or after he left golden state?

[T Park]

as of right now, how much does the team need improved, we are up 2-1 in the WCSF. I dont want any other players if we win a championship, and if we dont its not because of our backup point guard play. It would be more of a distraction than anything


Not wanting any players if you win a ring is a very horrible attitude to take.

This summer, if the Spurs do win, will be a busy one.

Dallas will improve.

Phoenix will DEFINATELY improve.

Golden State will improve. New Orleans will improve.

You can't stand pat if you win. That attitude killed them after 05.

[gaKNOW!blee]

So your gonna not want to improve the team, just because of one shot from a guy who wanted to win a game?

Uh ok....


and it wasnt just ONE shot from ONE game. it meant a whole lot more than that. without that shot the Spurs couldve had a 3 peet.

[T Park]

what is the reason why we couldn't get him when he left the lakers

well after the Lakers he wanted to be a started.

After Golden State? Stupidity.

[T Park]

and it wasnt just ONE shot from ONE game. it meant a whole lot more than that. without that shot the Spurs couldve had a 3 peet

So with that attitude,

you wouldn't have signed Robert Horry.

Correct?

[gaKNOW!blee]

Not wanting any players if you win a ring is a very horrible attitude to take.

This summer, if the Spurs do win, will be a busy one.

Dallas will improve.

Phoenix will DEFINATELY improve.

Golden State will improve. New Orleans will improve.

You can't stand pat if you win. That attitude killed them after 05.


I guess thats just where we disagree. If it aint broke dont fix it. Thats always how ive looked at it. IMO the spurs were the favorites once again last year and if they wouldve gotten past dallas i really believe they wouldve won it all.

[gaKNOW!blee]

So with that attitude,

you wouldn't have signed Robert Horry.

Correct?

Horry missed that shot in the 03 playoffs in game 5 against SA, that was an omen to bring him here haha. And he didnt hit such a devastating shot against our Spurs, just other teams.

[T Park]

You werent a fan during 1995 against Houston were you....


The Spurs didn't get by dallas, because they didn't go out and get a Matt Barnes, or a Stephen Jackson type player.

[smeagol]

The Dumper vs MB.

Nice match up.

[Marcus Bryant]

You already have the rights to about 10 international players plus 3 picks in this year's draft. Prospects aren't a concern. The Spurs' 5 spot is at it's worst since the mid-80s. Elson is worthless. Oberto is savvy yet limited. Horry is retiring. Tim Duncan, one of the top 10 players of all time is entering the final stage of his career. I know, the solution is in the....D League. Great chat kiddos.

[T Park]

I know, the solution is in the....D League. Great chat kiddos.

I somewhat agree, but with what capspace do you go and get guys?


No one wants Udrih, or Barry.

So your two trade options are out the window, what do you do then?


IMO, the MLE should be used on Pietrus, Barnes, or Nocioni this summer.

[ChumpDumper]

Chuck Hayes would grab a couple of boards.

Played 36 games more than Murphy this season too.

For the minimum.

Remember when he was available?

Of course you don't. You were too busy posting pictures of tractors.

[baseline bum]

Pietrus and Nocioni are pipe dreams for the MLE, IMO. I like Barnes, but not for that kind of money.

[T Park]

Golden States gotta resign Barnes or Pietrus.

Nocioni in a sign and trade could be done.

Especially if Brent Barry could make some shots here in the playoffs, hed become quite appealable to the Chicago Bulls, along witha certain low post scoring player.

[ChumpDumper]

You mean Matt Barnes who used to play for the Fayetteville Patriots?

No talent there whatsoever.

[gaKNOW!blee]

You werent a fan during 1995 against Houston were you....


The Spurs didn't get by dallas, because they didn't go out and get a Matt Barnes, or a Stephen Jackson type player.


not really no, haha i was only 4 years old and dont think i knew was the nba was besides Michael.


If the spurs win game 7 last year, they win the title IMO. and they def had a very good chance to win that game (not blaming anyone)

[T Park]

BTW, someones gonna throw the whole MLE at Barnes. thats a given after these playoffs.

[gaKNOW!blee]

plus T park, it was 10 years ago at the time we signed Horry, wait till 2014 and we can sign Fisher.

[Marcus Bryant]

Chuck Hayes and Matt Barnes? :jack

[T Park]

Chuck hayes would've been great vs Denver.

Matt Barnes would be fan fucking tastic vs Phoenix.


Chumps spot on with these two.

[T Park]

We're actually one of the teams Horry never daggered. He missed in game 5 '03

:lol

Like i said, he daggered us pretty fucking good in 95.

Fucking Rodman...

[ChumpDumper]

Chuck Hayes and Matt Barnes? :jackFor the minimum? :frying:

[Marcus Bryant]

Great. Flawed talent on the cheap. Meanwhile the clock on TD's career ticks by.

[ChumpDumper]

[awaits Sparky's "LeBron James has got to be got" thread]

[Marcus Bryant]

Awaits Big P's attaboy post.

[ChumpDumper]

Sparcus would rather have flawed talent for $45 million.

[Marcus Bryant]

Sparcus would rather have flawed talent for $45 million.

I'd rather see Fisher's flawed ass backing up TP right about now.

[T Park]

Marcus,

who the fuck would you get?

We know Duncan's career is ticking away you only remind us this every 4 minutes out of the day in your "I hate Holt" diatribes.

[ChumpDumper]

You'd rather have Troy Murphy playing less than half the season.

[Marcus Bryant]

Marcus,

who the fuck would you get?

We know Duncan's career is ticking away you only remind us this every 4 minutes out of the day in your "I hate Holt" diatribes.


The opportunities are there. When was the last time outside of this thread that I've castigated Holt?

[T Park]

The oppurtunities are there?

:lol

other than Maggette for Barry and trash, WTF are the oppurtunities?


No one wants in reality these two stiffs, and other than that, the Spurs have no barganing chips.

[baseline bum]

BTW, someones gonna throw the whole MLE at Barnes. thats a given after these playoffs.

Yeah, but that doesn't justify it. Lots of players have gotten hot in a postseason and gotten contracts they didn't deserve: Austin Croshere and Jaren Jackson are two to come to mind right off hand.

[T Park]

Yeah, but that doesn't justify it. Lots of players have gotten hot in a postseason and gotten contracts they didn't deserve: Austin Croshere and Jaren Jackson are two to come to mind right off hand.

Agreed.

Im just saying, you can see it coming that someone like Orlando, or someone of that ilk will overpay the hell out of him.

[Marcus Bryant]

The oppurtunities are there?

:lol

other than Maggette for Barry and trash, WTF are the oppurtunities?


No one wants in reality these two stiffs, and other than that, the Spurs have no barganing chips.


Other than expiring contracts, 3 picks this year and the rights to 50 players abroad.

[T Park]

3 picks

one late in the first, one late in the second, one semi earl in the second.

Im sure teams are climbing over themselves to get them.

Barry, Beno and Oberto?

No one wants them either, nor does anyone want Kauralov, Sanikidze or Mahinmi.

[Marcus Bryant]

When you are willing to take back a contract, a package of that should seal the deal.

[T Park]

depending on the player Id agree.

Thats why Im praying for a S&T of Barry Scola for Nocioni.

[ChumpDumper]

I know the best strategy each summer is to ask yourself "Whom can I grossly overpay that probably isn't available?"

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs' title window closes at some point before TD and Manu retire. Judging by Manu's performance this postseason that's not too far off. Look out, 2015.

[ChumpDumper]

So go back in time to summer 99 and sign Fisher.

[T Park]

The Spurs' title window closes at some point before TD and Manu retire. Judging by Manu's performance this postseason that's not too far off. Look out, 2015


panic.

[Big P]

Awaits Big P's attaboy post.

For what? I know & you know you make these posts just to get people all wound up.

You post crap like, we shoulda gotten Troy friggin Murphy, because he would be the savior & blah blah blah. Then you get excited when someone, like chump comes back arguing why it would be stupid to pay Murphys insane contract for a bench player, like any rational Spurs fan would think..then its like you smell blood because he posted once, now you gotta come back & push his buttons some more, get him to post again, now its a full on pissing contest, which is exactly what you want...look, we get it, your an attention whore, if thats what does it for you, then great(too bad you have to do it by suggesting idiotic player signings)...I know people like you, & your just posting this crap to get a response out of people, when I think that you dont even believe the Spurs should do or get who you have suggested. You know, I would agree with you if you were saying "hey, the FO needs to do what it takes to get Nocioni, or Pietrus or some other decent talent that could be had for a reasonable contract" but suggesting that we take on a $36 mil contract for a backup PG & a $50 mil contract for an unproven jump shooting PF is asinine.

[Marcus Bryant]

panic.

Reality.

[Marcus Bryant]

For what...

Good one, Chumper.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

omfg i would rather cheer for usc and the mavericks than derek fisher in the silver n black

[danger]

Marcus Bryant getting owned by Chump, he is scrapping to be right. reminds me of when he said Nash wasnt drafted by the suns...

hilarious.

[T Park]

WTF, link to that? I don't ever remember marcus saying that....

[whottt]

The Spurs came really close to getting Fisher in the summer of 99. I remember Aldridge reporting it as almost done.

I thought that was the offseason of 2000...I distinctly remember being happy that we didn't get him after he spent most of 00-01 injured with foot problems...and then realizing how wrong I was after he reigned down threes on Spurs domes in the WCF.


I am on the fence on him...I like the shooting, I like it a lot, but he's too slooooooooooow now.

[danger]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66626&page=1&pp=26&highlight=draft+nash%23post1654590

MB was stating Suns BUY their players.

[Dro210]

Fisher would be good.... I would hate it, but once he won us some games, I would get used to it. Murphy tho.... NO FUCKIN THANKS.... That's one of the last guys in the NBA I want on the team. He's like a poor, poor, poor man's Dirk.... and that's nowhere near a complement.

I'm not worried tho.... The way I see it, another win tomorrow night, and we pretty much have another ring (although things can go wrong)... We'll definatly need to make some changes in the off-season, but this year we're alright, so let's just enjoy the run, and worry about getting all these guys when we can actually go out and get 'em.

I'd love to have Noch btw... but I don't see it happening


Bring back Jacks!

[T Park]

MB was stating Suns BUY their players.

they didn't resign Nash after he became an MVP type player in Dallas?

Interesting.

They drafted Nash and Finley and gave em away to dallas.

Thats a fact. sorry.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey don't worry Marcus, I'm working on a list of D-League prospects that might be worth a look this summer. I'm not expecting you to read it.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Watching the Utah-GS series, the two guys that jump out at me who could help us are HARPRING and MILLSAP. Both composed, junkyard-dog types who do what they do well (primarily hustle-work and D) and limit themselves to that. MILLSAP reminds me of Malik Rose at his best.

I'm going to guess that Millsap is off-limits, anyone know Harpring's contract numbers?

[Dro210]

Millsap would be a dream come true, I love Millsap, no homo.... We passed on him, coulda been ours right now. Bet that one's being regreted alittle. Oh well.

Harpring... No thanks really.... but just fyi, he signed a 4-year/$25 million extension with Utah last summer

[ChumpDumper]

It's kind of odd how we bitch about the rebounding from our centers, but when you look at it from a productivity standpoint it's difficult to see how Oberto and Elson can do much better, given their respective shortcomings.

Qualified rebounding per 40 minute rankings

Rank - Name - Team - reb/40 min

9 Tim Duncan SAS 14.9
.
.
.
12 Charles Hayes* HOU 14.6
.
.
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29 Fabricio Oberto SAS 12.9

30 Udonis Haslem MIA 12.6

31 Shawn Marion PHX 12.5

32 Francisco Elson SAS 12.1

33 Zaza Pachulia ATL 11.8

34 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 11.8

35 Jake Voskuhl CHA 11.8

36 Chris Wilcox SEA 11.7

37 Elton Brand LAC 11.6

38 P.J. Brown CHI 11.5

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Rebounds.jsp?league=00&season=22006&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=7&splitDD=Default

It could be argued that the per 40 stats are of limited use, but relatively speaking, exactly how many rebounds should we be expecting from these guys?

Oh and just for Sparcus' sake, I'll rank them with some players from the full list that includes some players who didn't actually qualify since they didn't play enough games....

Rank - Name - Team - reb/40 min

9 Justin Williams* SAC 16.6

19 Louis Amundson* PHI-UTA 15.1

25 Charles Hayes* HOU 14.6

37 Jared Reiner* MIL 14.0

59 Andre Brown* SEA 13.1

67 Fabricio Oberto SAS 12.9

88 Francisco Elson SAS 12.1

121 Troy Murphy IND-GSW 10.7

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Rebounds.jsp?season=22006&league=00&conf=OVERALL&qualified=N&position=0&splitType=9&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=7&splitDD=Default&pager.offset=100

* - denotes flawed D-League callup talent

[Dro210]

I don't know if you're talkin about me or not... but just in case...

I wasn't tryin to say that by sayin I love Millsap, I just think he's an outstanding talent. Great rebounder, physical, decent mid-range, good hands, good character.... All that with being as young and affordable as he is, any team would be crazy not to want him imo. Utah would be just as crazy to give him up tho.

The bashing of our bigs is greatly exaggerated imo... True of it all is that there's just not awhole lot of GREAT big men out there, you've gotta take what you can get.

[ChumpDumper]

No, I'm not addressing you in particular. Millsap is a fine player -- ranks #20 in the qualified list.

Anyone who wanted to sign him was pretty smart. Buy low.

[Dro210]

Well, I take back my previous statement of passing him over, cause I forgot we didn't pick in the 1st round of the '06 draft (NY), and didn't pick in the 2nd round until the very end when he was gone..... but yea, Utah got a hell of a steal when they got him at 40-somethin

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Harpring, 4yrs at $25mil!? Ouch! i was thinking he was a $4mil player.

Yeah, we don't have a shot at Millsap, but he's exactly the solid, dependable type i would like to have coming off the bench to relieve Tim. Do you think he's too slow to guard 3s?

Anyway, I've really come to appreciate Utah. Thought they'd be very good this year and they have been - they are tough and scrappy, they have two low post threats in Boozer and Okur (yes, he can play back to the basket!), a fantastic PG and two great backups in Williams, Fisher and Brown, hustle players who are good defenders in Millsap and Harpring, and the Ace in the Hole in AK-47 who looks incredible at the moment (found himself at just the right time for the team). Very well balanced team. All they lack is SGs (Giricek is below average at best) and 3-pt shooting (shot 33% this reg season)...

Williams is the guy who's gelled it all together though. He's like a young Mike Bibby but bigger, a better passer and defender. He's pretty clutch.

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled programming... ;)

[ploto]

Spurs could have had Pietrus if they were willing to take Fisher's contract- think that was around the trade deadline in 2006.

[Solid D]

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be about Raja Bell.