Kerr disagrees

[Supergirl]

Proving he's no longer a Spurs homer -
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvCMIMxIH9qxRFgRQSeH5c05nYcB?slug=sk-sunsspurs051507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Kerr comes out and says the NBA shouldn't suspend any of them, except Horry.

Um, what? Horry's punishment was to be thrown out of the game. The league didn't suspend Jason Richardson for his flagrant foul.

Bowen and Duncan didn't leave the bench during an altercation, because there was no altercation.

Amare and Diaw DID leave the bench when there WAS an altercation.

It's really not that unclear at all. The only question is whether the league will follow the letter of the law, or, as Kerr is suggested they should, whether the league will let this little incident slide because it will make for better basketball. Which is just about the most ridiculous thing anyone who cares about the sport of basketball could POSSIBLY suggest.

[BacktoBasics]

Kerr has turned into a piece of shit. His one sided takes are getting on my nerves

[phyzik]

of course he does, he's part owner of the suns.

[SAGambler]

Isn't Steve Kerr part owner in the Suns organaization?

[LilMissSPURfect]

I was listening to another clip of the incident and was hearing Kerr saying Horry shouldn't have fouled him but rather should have grabbed him and padded his fall !! Yes when we see them charging at us just clear space and put some pillows for them so they won't get hurt!

[Gaddabout]

I really don't want to see Duncan or Bowen suspended, but the letter of the law states players aren't allowed to leave the bench for the floor for any reason -- altercation or otherwise.

[BacktoBasics]

Well no shit? I had no idea. No wonder. What cockwhore.

[mabber]

Proving he's no longer a Spurs homer -
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvCMIMxIH9qxRFgRQSeH5c05nYcB?slug=sk-sunsspurs051507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Kerr comes out and says the NBA shouldn't suspend any of them, except Horry.

Um, what? Horry's punishment was to be thrown out of the game. The league didn't suspend Jason Richardson for his flagrant foul.

Bowen and Duncan didn't leave the bench during an altercation, because there was no altercation.

Amare and Diaw DID leave the bench when there WAS an altercation.

It's really not that unclear at all. The only question is whether the league will follow the letter of the law, or, as Kerr is suggested they should, whether the league will let this little incident slide because it will make for better basketball. Which is just about the most ridiculous thing anyone who cares about the sport of basketball could POSSIBLY suggest.

I think Kerr is saying what everyone thinks SHOULD happen in all fairness. Even the media members that are saying that they will get suspended think they shouldn't get suspended if the league had any brains.

[Amare_32]

I really don't want to see Duncan or Bowen suspended, but the letter of the law states players aren't allowed to leave the bench for the floor for any reason -- altercation or otherwise.

I don't want either Duncan or Amare suspended. Stern needs to apply a little flexibilty in this case.

[Trainwreck2100]

I really don't want to see Duncan or Bowen suspended, but the letter of the law states players aren't allowed to leave the bench for the floor for any reason -- altercation or otherwise.


Yeah, no, the rule says altercation. It clearly says altercation, next time do research insead of taking other's words for it.

[Soul_Patch]

I really don't want to see Duncan or Bowen suspended, but the letter of the law states players aren't allowed to leave the bench for the floor for any reason -- altercation or otherwise.


That would make the game interesting. I wonder how they would ever make any substitutions, or go to the locker room for half time. Wierd.

[sammy]

WTF is up with Kerr! Freaking traitor! What a jackass!

[Trainwreck2100]

I think Kerr is saying what everyone thinks SHOULD happen in all fairness. Even the media members that are saying that they will get suspended think they shouldn't get suspended if the league had any brains.


Yeah, it would also be fair to everybody if we make all the players the same skill level then everybody will have fun. I don't think Amare should get suspended, I think he will cause he broke the rules so blatantly. And then tried to bs his way out of it.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lets send michael jordan around to kerr to give the clown another blackeye, homer

[angel_luv]

Steve Kerr has been dead to me since I had to listen to his broadcast during the Raptor's series.
I was already wearing of him last season in our series with Dallas.

My bad guy list for this year (in order of most disliked):
Avery Johnson
Steve Kerr
Kevin Willis
Sean Marks

The last two I only dislike by association; so they're likely not permanent fixtures on the list.

[Kevin Blackistone]

Kerr is alright, he's just talking out of his ass here to protect his financial interests. Most anyone in that situation would do the same. It's up to the contientious reader to realize that and ignore anything he has to say that even remotely involves the Suns as he has a major conflict of interest.

[lefty]

lets send michael jordan around to kerr to give the clown another blackeye, homer

Jordan punches Kerr, take 2

[SScarrJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Sq0uuaMHY

I dont know what qualifies as an altercation in the NBA but the only stoppage in play was to mop up the sweat where Elson landed.

[VaSpursFan]

I really don't want to see Duncan or Bowen suspended, but the letter of the law states players aren't allowed to leave the bench for the floor for any reason -- altercation or otherwise.

???? the rule explicitly states altercation.

[SirChaz]

Um, what? Horry's punishment was to be thrown out of the game. The league didn't suspend Jason Richardson for his flagrant foul.


Flagrant 2 carries a 1 game suspension.

The only way Horry isn't suspended is if the league downgrades the call to a flagrant 1.

[Sportcamper]

Kerr is right on the money! Cheap Shot Rob, Duncan & Bowen should all be suspended...But not Diaw or Amare... :tu

[lefty]

Kerr is right on the money! Cheap Shot Rob, Duncan & Bowen should all be suspended...But not Diaw or Amare... :tu

That's the most stupid thing that has been said a bout the incident :donkey

[lefty]

If Duncan left the bench too, That means that only Horry would be suspended ; the NBA won't ruin a pivotal game 5 by suspending Duncan+Amare+Diaw

[Supergirl]

Flagrant 2 carries a 1 game suspension.

The only way Horry isn't suspended is if the league downgrades the call to a flagrant 1.

Was Richardson's foul not a Flagrant 2, then? I've heard people use that one by comparison, so I assumed it was.

[Gino20]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Sq0uuaMHY

I dont know what qualifies as an altercation in the NBA but the only stoppage in play was to mop up the sweat where Elson landed.

Yeah, clearly no altercation. This is all you need....I don't even think Elson looked at Jones...I feel much better after seeing this...

[Trainwreck2100]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Sq0uuaMHY

I dont know what qualifies as an altercation in the NBA but the only stoppage in play was to mop up the sweat where Elson landed.


:lol That's what their defense is, Duncan was on the floor when the dunk happened. No elbows/punches were thrown.

[SirChaz]

Was Richardson's foul not a Flagrant 2, then? I've heard people use that one by comparison, so I assumed it was.


I am not sure which foul you are refering to.

If he was ejected from the game it probably was. Of course if he already had a technical foul then a flagrant 1 would get him tossed as well.


The closest thing I can remember to this foul was Posey body checking Heinrich last year. That was an F2 and Posey was suspended.

[nkdlunch]

Flagrant 2 carries a 1 game suspension.

The only way Horry isn't suspended is if the league downgrades the call to a flagrant 1.

LMAO you're full of shit.

Flagrant 2 comes with immediate ejection. nothing more.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

LMAO you're full of shit.

Flagrant 2 comes with immediate ejection. nothing more.

No, he's not full of shit.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/heat/2006-04-28-posey-suspension_x.htm

Heat's Posey suspended for one game
Posted 4/28/2006 7:43 PM ET

NEW YORK (AP) — Miami forward James Posey was suspended for one game without pay by the NBA on Friday for knocking down Chicago's Kirk Hinrich on a break Thursday night in the Heat's 109-90 playoff loss to the Bulls.

Posey, called for a flagrant foul two and ejected with 3:15 left in the game, will miss Game 4 of the Eastern Conference series Sunday.

Miami leads the best-of-seven series 2-1.

[nkdlunch]

:idiot What I meant was that if you get Flagrant 2, it does not mean you automatically get 1 game suspension.

It is up to the league to decide if the foul was hard enough to merit 1 game suspension.

in other words, flagrant 2 does not necessarily mean you get 1 game suspension

[nkdlunch]

Horry SHOULD get suspended, but not for the flagrant foul. But for the elbow to Bell's head.


and if Bell tried to punch him(I did not see this part) , then Bell must be suspended as well.


this is a mess

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I stand corrected. I thought you meant that there was nothing more that could be done after the F2 was assessed and was posting an example of where the NBA stepped in further.

But if you want to call me an idiot without seeking further info, go fuck yourself.

[nkdlunch]

I stand corrected. I thought you meant that there was nothing more that could be done after the F2 was assessed and was posting an example of where the NBA stepped in further.

But if you want to call me an idiot without seeking further info, go fuck yourself.

don't be so sensitive. here's a kiss to make it better mhuahhh

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Actually, I'd like you to tell me how I obviously offended you by incorrectly disagreeing with you.

Seems you're the hyper-sensitive one.

[nkdlunch]

Actually, I'd like you to tell me how I obviously offended you by incorrectly disagreeing with you.

Seems you're the hyper-sensitive one.

I didn't get offended.

sorry for the idiot comment, i will never call you an idiot ever again.

[FromWayDowntown]

From the official NBA Rule Book:

RULE NO. 12—FOULS AND PENALTIES

A. Technical Foul

Section V - Conduct

* * * *

l. A player, coach or trainer must be ejected for:
(1) A punching foul
(2) A fighting foul
(3) An elbow foul which makes contact above shoulder level
(4) Technical foul for an attempted punch which does not make contact
(5) Deliberately entering the stands other than as a continuance of play
(6) Flagrant foul penalty (2)
(7) Second flagrant foul penalty (1)
(8) Participation in the game when not on team’s active list


Section VII—Fines

a. Recipients of technical fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct will be assessed a $500 fine for the first offense, and an additional $500 for the second offense in any one given game, for a minimum total of $1,000. If a player is ejected on (1) the first technical foul for unsportsmanlike conduct, (2) a punching foul, (3) a fighting foul, (4) an elbow foul, or (5) a flagrant foul, he shall be fined a minimum of $1,000.

b. Whether or not said player(s) is ejected, a fine not exceeding $50,000 and/or suspension may be imposed upon such player(s) by the Commissioner at his sole discretion.

c. During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be suspended, without pay, for a minimum of one game and fined up to $50,000.

The suspensions will commence prior to the start of their next game.


B. Personal Foul
Section IV—Flagrant Foul

b. If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpreted to be
unnecessary and excessive, a flagrant foul—penalty (2) will be assessed. A personal foul is charged to the offender and a team foul is charged to the team.

PENALTY: (1) Two free throws shall be attempted and the ball awarded to the offended team on either side of the court at the free throw line extended. (2) If the offended player is injured and unable to attempt his free throws, his coach will select a substitute and any player from the team is eligible to attempt the free throws. (3) This substitute may not be replaced until the ball is legally touched by a player on the court. EXCEPTION: Rule 3—Section V—e. (4) The injured player may return to the game at any time after the free throws are attempted. (5) This is an unsportsmanlike act and the offender is ejected.

c. A flagrant foul may be assessed whether the ball is dead or alive.

_____________________________

I think the rules here are rather simple.

1. Level 2 flagrant fouls bring ejections and may bring suspensions and larger fines, at the Commissioner's discretion. But there is no rule compelling a suspension following the issuance of a level 2 flagrant.

2. The rule concerning players leaving the bench area applies, by its express terms, only to instances in which there is an altercation. The rules don't define what qualifies as an "altercation," meaning that it's subject entirely to common sense definitions of the term. But the rule is explicit that IF there is an altercation and a player leaves the vicinity of the bench, he's suspended for at least one game, starting with his team's next game, and fined at least $50,000. The rule itself suggests to me, though, that there's lots of wiggle room -- specifically to define what is or is not an altercation and what is or is not the vicinity of the bench.

[jaespur21]

According to the rulebook, Diaw and Stoudawhiner have a 1 game suspension plus a fine coming to them. when i read your post jb47 i thought 4 a second that you couldnt read or something also

[FromWayDowntown]

According to the rulebook, Diaw and Stoudawhiner have a 1 game suspension plus a fine coming to them. when i read your post jb47 i thought 4 a second that you couldnt read or something also

That's not true -- Stoudemire and Diaw have a 1 game suspension plus a fine coming to them only if they are determined to have left the vicinity of the bench during an altercation. The Commissioner (and Stu Jackson) get the final word about whether the rule was broken -- I could see that they might conclude that it was not; I could also see that they might conclude that it was.

The question, though, is whether the rule was actually broken; it's hard to tell given the vagueness of the terms used to define the rule.

[timvp]

Maybe now Kerr won't be viewed as the 8th best Spur or whatever.

[whottt]

Maybe now they won't want to retire AJ's jersey.

:tu

[jaespur21]

Cmon man, they clearly left the viscinity of the bench and stoudewhiner took his towel off and you can see him raise his hand into a fist. thank you DVR

[ManuMagic]

That's not true -- Stoudemire and Diaw have a 1 game suspension plus a fine coming to them only if they are determined to have left the vicinity of the bench during an altercation. The Commissioner (and Stu Jackson) get the final word about whether the rule was broken -- I could see that they might conclude that it was not; I could also see that they might conclude that it was.

The question, though, is whether the rule was actually broken; it's hard to tell given the vagueness of the terms used to define the rule.

If leaving the coaches box and having to be restrained by assistant coaches isn't deemed outside the vicinity of the bench, then the NBA is nothing but a pack of lying scumbags. The coaches box is there to determine the lateral vicinity of the bench, that's why coaches must stay in it during game play. If stepping out of the box would still be considered in the vicinity of the bench, then the damn box wouldn't be needed in the first place. They only way they aren't suspended is if the league wants to lie and cover it up Roswell style.

[jaespur21]

Exactly

[ManuMagic]

Maybe now Kerr won't be viewed as the 8th best Spur or whatever.

Steve Kerr's my fucking hero. Just like Robert Horry.


Seriously, Kerr's got money in the Suns so he would walk to the depths of hell to suck the Suns' dicks.

[Budkin]

Suspend Duncan, Bowen, and Horry and leave STAT and Boris alone...

/Suns troll take

[ManuMagic]

They only way they aren't suspended is if the league wants to lie and cover it up Roswell style.

Although that would be a stupid move, given the amount of evidence. That would be akin to aliens coming to earth at Roswell, meeting with the mayor and getting keys to the city, holding a press conference on national tv, and then the army claims it's a weather balloon.

[jaespur21]

i really cant wait for tomorrows game.

[jaespur21]

Oh yeah when do yall expect word on all this?

[Strike]

Kerr is right on the money! Cheap Shot Rob, Duncan & Bowen should all be suspended...But not Diaw or Amare... :tu
:dont

[Cry Havoc]

Kerr is an ass.

That is all.

[SirChaz]

LMAO you're full of shit.

Flagrant 2 comes with immediate ejection. nothing more.


Well last year suspensions for flagrant 2 was automatic.
Every flagrant 2 I can remember got a suspension.

I just heard about Richardson, he did get a flagrant 2 and didn't get suspended.

So apparently they are not as suspension happy this year.

[Marcus Bryant]

What does DRob think? Should be just as 'objective'...

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe now Kerr won't be viewed as the 8th best Spur or whatever.

Fuck Kerr. Other than one 5 minute stretch in May of '03 he did jack during his stays in SA. But he's white and talks funny.

Terrell Hills must be conflicted.

[DubMcDub]

If Duncan left the bench too, That means that only Horry would be suspended ; the NBA won't ruin a pivotal game 5 by suspending Duncan+Amare+Diaw

But they're ruin it by suspending Amare and Diaw only? :lol

[leemajors]

they should suspend burke and ely and get it over with already.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

fuck Steve Kerr

[DePastino]

Horry's punishment was to be thrown out of the game.

With a mere 18 seconds left and the outcome all but decided?

Some punishment...

[Trainwreck2100]

With a mere 18 seconds left and the outcome all but decided?

Some punishment...


Richardson got thrown out with less that a quarter to go and the game over and nothing happened to him.

[DePastino]

Richardson got thrown out with less that a quarter to go and the game over and nothing happened to him.

But was his a Flagrant 2 or 1?

Look, the only reason I'm really pissed about this foul is because it might mean losing Diaw and Amare.

If no one is suspended, I'll be pleased as punch.

[FromWayDowntown]

But was his a Flagrant 2 or 1?

Look, the only reason I'm really pissed about this foul is because it might mean losing Diaw and Amare.

If no one is suspended, I'll be pleased as punch.

Richardson's was a flagrant 2 -- he was immediately ejected.



0:37 Richardson Foul:Flagrant Type 2 (4 PF)
0:37 Richardson Ejection:First Flagrant Type 2
0:37 Richardson Substitution replaced by Azubuike

[Trainwreck2100]

But was his a Flagrant 2 or 1?

Look, the only reason I'm really pissed about this foul is because it might mean losing Diaw and Amare.

If no one is suspended, I'll be pleased as punch.


Well Horry is gone and so is at least one Sun cause Stern won't let this go unpunished.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Steve Kerr has been dead to me since I had to listen to his broadcast during the Raptor's series.
I was already wearing of him last season in our series with Dallas.

My bad guy list for this year (in order of most disliked):
Avery Johnson
Steve Kerr
Kevin Willis
Sean Marks

The last two I only dislike by association; so they're likely not permanent fixtures on the list.

I am seriously shocked that you have a 'bad guy' list of those you 'dislike'.

your messing with my image of you lovely!