Amare and Boris Suspended 1 Game - Horry 2 Games

[samikeyp]

Oh now act like 90% of you were not screaming for Amare and Diaw to be suspended. Look at the forum names. You all looked like a bunch of bitches that were relying on this suspension.

Show me where I was and I will gladly apologize.

[tony09manu]

Yeah, and the Cav's CAN win their series WITHOUT Lebron. But we all know the chances of that happening.


A lot of things COULD happen, but we all know the truth.

The difference is is that the Cavs are a one man team -- ya'll have Steve Nash. I still say he'll have a big game tommorow.

[duncan228]

Oh now act like 90% of you were not screaming for Amare and Diaw to be suspended. Look at the forum names. You all looked like a bunch of bitches that were relying on this suspension.

Like I said, you lose Duncan, you go nowhere. We lose Amare AND Diaw (his only replacement on the bench), we go nowhere. James Jones is starting.

So like I said, good luck in the WCF.

I get all that. (Although I personally chose to stay out of the suspension screaming).

I just want to know how you can give up on your team like that. I don't get it. I'm a Spurs fan. I believe no matter what. After games 3 & 4 in '05. Through the final buzzer in OT last year. Through many more bad stretches too numerous to mention.

Don't you believe? At all?

[nkdlunch]

What bullshit! I am not surprised but as a Spur fan I am truly dissapointed. The whole excitement has been taken away from this series!

I wanted both teams to be full strength as suspect most Spur fans.

It was just a bad situation and I knew the league was gonna suspend those poor fools. Even Horry did not merit a 2 game suspension. Look at what the fuck JRich and Baron Davis did :madrun :madrun :madrun :madrun

now, game 5 is pointless. If SPurs win, they were supposed to win, what a surprise. And if they lose, they don't deserve to advance at all.

Game 6 is gonna be exciting, but the series won't be the same.

I am not even blaming the league at this point, because they have their rule and they are sticking to it. Horry is not to blame either. nobody is to blame. its just a bad situation...

just pointing out that I am not happy with this.

[Spider TX]

When a team has that much superior talent like the Suns do over the Spurs, the league office will take any chance to even it out and hope to get the series to still go 7. Had no suspension been handed out, the series is over in 6 in favor of the Suns, and they lose all the revenue and drama of a 7th game.

[picnroll]

Blame the league not the Spurs. Should have been Horry one game and that's it. Hopefully it comes down to a game seven both teams fully manned.

[FromWayDowntown]

Totally agree with your analogy.

As for the lineup, I'd imagine that it would be Nash-Bell-James Jones-Marion-Thomas. The guy who will should be get some minutes will be Pat Burke off the Bench.

The X Factor for us would be Jalen Rose, too see if he can step it up.

I posted this elsewhere, but I really think that D'Antoni's adjustment is to go small -- really small. I think you're right that Jones steps into the starting lineup, but I could see stretches where the Suns play with Marion as the biggest guy on the floor and just try to run the Spurs out of the gym while shooting just about every 3 they can, hoping for lots of makes and for lots of long rebounds.

Teams that have played small ball against the Spurs have had some success.

[sunsbum]

If I remember correctly, the Suns did okay without Amare last season. And Diaw hasn't been much of a factor. I wouldn't throw in the towel if I were a Suns fan.

diaw avg 30 ppg vs dallas last year in the playoffs and somewhere around 18 a game during the entire playoffs... so yea...he was a HUGE loss. the only reason hes down this year is because the return of amare.

[TampaDude]

No DUMB SHIT... it is happening tomorrow night! Suns bench is going to topple the near full strength Spurs! This is going to be great! :clap

If the Suns can pull off the victory tomorrow, I will be most impressed. :toast

[UV Ray]

I wouldn't count the Suns out just yet! Even if the Spurs do win tomorrow night, I don't expect Phoenix to lay down in Game 6. Are you kidding me? :lol
The implication is that: In the event of the worst case scenario.

Comprehend much?

[clambake]

If you can't beat them, hurt them. Then hide behind an outdated rules book.

Asterisk

[Trainwreck2100]

It;s not really even now.

[2centsworth]

Take heart in you will always have an excuse.

[noles1983]

I get all that. (Although I personally chose to stay out of the suspension screaming).

I just want to know how you can give up on your team like that. I don't get it. I'm a Spurs fan. I believe no matter what. After games 3 & 4 in '05. Through the final buzzer in OT last year. Through many more bad stretches too numerous to mention.

Don't you believe? At all?

most suns fans are bandwagoners..kind of annoying really

[bigFUNDAMENTAL]

Spurs should be careful playing in game 5
don't let the crowd involved
control the pace of the game
and last don't forget to play D in 4th quarter damnit...

[Trainwreck2100]

Even? On paper the spurs smoke this team now........on paper.

[Scumbag]

Funny, the two-time MVP is still going to be out there. As is Marion. And Bell. And Barbosa. And a Spurs team that plays crappy against teams missing players.

This is far from over.


Come on dude. You are the same people that were praying for this suspension. Stop acting like the Suns still have a chance.


THIS SERIES
Nash = Will be smothered with no one playing above the rim.
Marion = Not a factor on offense.
Bell = Hit's 2 or 3 from behind the line a night.
Barbosa = Not a factor on offense OR defense.

[duncan228]

Idiot.
Fuck game 7, the Suns advancing is better for the league's pockets.
The Spurs are boring. Stern would want them gone so the Finals can rake in as much as possible.
Can you say Suns/Cleveland?

[Kermit]

If you can't beat them, hurt them. Then hide behind an outdated rules book.

Asterisk
if you can't beat 'em, accept your mvp trophy in a secluded area, cry like you're excited and pretend you actually deserved it.

[ponky]

meh, it's not over, expect a lot of fouls on the spurs in game five...i'm not bashing the spurs by saying this, i'm just saying i think this will happen...suns just need to hope barbosa and particularly marion step up and play well

and scumbag, the suns do have a chance, remember the mavs last year after the terry suspension (which he deserved) and they didn't even have HCA...just take it back the last two games, tough because it's the spurs but hardly impossible considering how well the suns have been playing

[to21]

I already lived through one asterisk season, another would be easy.

[ArgSpursFan]

When a team has that much superior talent like the Suns do over the Spurs, the league office will take any chance to even it out and hope to get the series to still go 7. Had no suspension been handed out, the series is over in 6 in favor of the Suns, and they lose all the revenue and drama of a 7th game.

stop the whining and get over it.It happened to the spurs last game too.

[washingtonwizard]

this rule truly sucks. I was enjoying this series better than any other series.

Somebody should have controlled Amare and Diaw better

[Buddy Holly]

Whats that smell?

Oh, I know, it's tainted victory.

Are you sure it's not fish?

[michaelwcho]

You Fuck Up. You Pay The Price. It's Called Justice.
What about justice for all the paying fans of the nba, who want to see some good games? This isn't a civics experiment, it's entertainment, and people want to see some good games--not down with that?

[Dingle Barry]

We are going to be playing one pissed off team tomorrow on their floor.

[picnroll]

I understand the giddiness of some of the fans here, but the problem is that the human side of sports was completely ignored in this case. Did Duncan, when he clearly came of the bench, with Bowen behind him, think to himself "Oh, let's see, no altercation here, let me go on the court to see if I can help my teammate"? Of course not, if you think so you are just deluding yourself. So calling Amare and Diaw stupid, ignorant, etc. is really ignoring the fact that the same thing happened on the other bench 90 minutes earlier. And for the exact same reason. The fact that Elson and Jones didn't get into a shoving match (which is a good thing) saved the Spurs from the same predicament the Suns are in.... Just my two cents. Call it fate, fortune, or what have you. Amare wasn't looking to go after Horry, just as Duncan wasn't looking to go after Jones. But it is done with.
I'm against the Suns' suspensions but equating Duncan's actions to Amare is something a moron would do. Duncan stepped on the court probably more to help Elson if he was hurt. Amare charged the court while being restrained. That said Amare is enough of a pussy I'm sure he wasn't going to tangle with Horry. More likely he was going to flex and do a couple of push ups.

[duncan228]

most suns fans are bandwagoners..kind of annoying really

I guess so. I've asked twice with no answer.
I don't get that. I have my team and I stick with them.

[The_Worlds_finest]

David Blain will have a commercial showing what really happened

[RonMexico]

In the grand scheme of it all, that rule is archaic and weak and Stu Jackson has no spine.

How are Richardson and Davis playing tonight and two guys that didn't throw a punch are taken out on a technicality?

Like the refs use the half-cirlce too much on block/charge calls, the league uses this "letter of the law" defense as a crutch.

And picnroll, Horry was suspended for 2 games because he threw the first two blows (first - leveling Nash; 2nd - elbowing Bell in the chops before Raja even raised his hand).

[sa_butta]

If you can't beat them, hurt them. Then hide behind an outdated rules book.

Asterisk'
Why dont you go hide behind an empty trophy case. Spurs are far from winning any title this year. We have not even reached the WCF and you are ready to give us an asteriks. Ill be sure to look for that asterik on the trophy if we do pull it off.

[Scumbag]

I get all that. (Although I personally chose to stay out of the suspension screaming).

I just want to know how you can give up on your team like that. I don't get it. I'm a Spurs fan. I believe no matter what. After games 3 & 4 in '05. Through the final buzzer in OT last year. Through many more bad stretches too numerous to mention.

Don't you believe? At all?


I have been a Suns fan since 87 when Colangelo took over.

I am a realist along with a Suns fan. And a realist knows you would lose without Duncan just as we lose without Stoudemire.

[VinnyTestesVerde]

Whats that smell?

Oh, I know, it's tainted victory.

zero room for shit-talking dude. your post is bearly worth a reply.

your team needs to focus on the offseason. :donkey

[Trainwreck2100]

This is actually going to be the next David Blane commercial, there were magnets in the floor that pulled those two on the court.

[UV Ray]

:lol I cant believe Suns fans act like this is the SPurs fault

Please read my post again. No blame there. It is what it is.

[lebomb]

What bullshit! I am not surprised but as a Spur fan I am truly dissapointed. The whole excitement has been taken away from this series!

I wanted both teams to be full strength as suspect most Spur fans.

It was just a bad situation and I knew the league was gonna suspend those poor fools. Even Horry did not merit a 2 game suspension. Look at what the fuck JRich and Baron Davis did :madrun :madrun :madrun :madrun

now, game 5 is pointless. If SPurs win, they were supposed to win, what a surprise. And if they lose, they don't deserve to advance at all.

Game 6 is gonna be exciting, but the series won't be the same.

I am not even blaming the league at this point, because they have their rule and they are sticking to it. Horry is not to blame either. nobody is to blame. its just a bad situation...

just pointing out that I am not happy with this.


Man.....Im with you on this big time. Its just unfortunate.....noones fault....shit happens. I wanted both teams at full strength period. Maybe it will go 7 and both teams will be at full strength again. :toast

[clambake]

Ok, I'll bring some better shit..................

Things spurs fans want to hear,

"Hey, they wouldn't be in this mess if they knew the rules"
"Bowens not dirty, he's just crafty"
"Nash deserved that from Horry because of a non-call"

[SpurOutofTownFan]

I don't know who buys into that thing about the suns players being individually more talented than the spurs players, but the spurs collectively superior than the suns. In one sense it's saying the spurs as a team play better and are better but I fail to see why the suns individuals are better than the spurs'.

You have Tim Duncan, one of the best players ever, or the best for many. Tony Parker, an All start very young and one of the most developed players in the NBA, pretty much unstoppable. Manu Ginobili who has won absolutely everything, from national championships, to Euroleague (being MVP 2 times), to gold medal in the olympics, world champion with the spurs. Then you have Horry with several rings, Bowen, named several times to all defensive team. Oberto, eurolegue champion and olympic champion. Do I need to continue? The pedigree the spurs players have is no fluke. The did that because they are good.

Now draw the line and tell me what have the suns individuals accomplished except for 2 time MVPs for nash?

[gtownspur]

meh, it's not over, expect a lot of fouls on the spurs in game five...i'm not bashing the spurs by saying this, i'm just saying i think this will happen...suns just need to hope barbosa and particularly marion step up and play well

and scumbag, the suns do have a chance, remember the mavs last year after the terry suspension (which he deserved) and they didn't even have HCA...just take it back the last two games, tough because it's the spurs but hardly impossible considering how well the suns have been playing



AMare+Diaw - Horry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dyson terry.

[washingtonwizard]

SPurs better crush Suns in game 5 or I'm gonna laugh my ass off

[The Great Fantastic]

The suns did this to themselves. Stoudemire is fucking stupid. Plain and simple. This isn't a new rule. They know this rule was in place and they broke it. What's not to get. I wish it didn't happen. I want to see both teams at full bore. But fuck you if you don't get it. It happened. There are consequences. Fuck off. Diaw and Stoudemire's emotional reactions just fucked the Suns. The league didn't do anything new.

[The_Worlds_finest]

SPurs better crush Suns in game 5 or I'm gonna laugh my ass off

Agreed

[Kori Ellis]

This sucks. If I was a Suns fan I'd be going crazy.

Amare is going to tear up the Spurs in Game 6.

[washingtonwizard]

Can't wait to see game 6 though, that will be worth the wait.

[Scumbag]

and scumbag, the suns do have a chance, remember the mavs last year after the terry suspension (which he deserved) and they didn't even have HCA...just take it back the last two games, tough because it's the spurs but hardly impossible considering how well the suns have been playing


Losing Terry is not the same as losing Stoudemire AND Diaw (the only decent backup). The Suns always keep one of them on the floor.

[SilverPlayer]

Holy shit, what is this bag on the Spurs day? I realize we made some enemies, But the Spurs aren't a bad/dirty team. They aren't undeserving of what they have worked their asses to achieve. Spurs fans and our team have paid our dues.

Beating Phoenix undermanned does not guarantee the Spurs will win the series. Suns fans are acting like they just lost the whole shebang. You guys have all of the momentum, a chip on the shoulder, and a ready made excuse for tomorrow's potential loss. Even if you do lose tomorrow, The suns still have to be beaten at full strength with a renewed sense of purpose and fuel stoking their fire.

Plus the refs are going to be practically playing for you, with your more desirable ratings, loss of man power, and more media friendly stars.

[GrandeDavid]

I gotta admit. All this crying and bitching is cheap entertainment! Nothing like a hostile playoff series! :lol

[Obstructed_View]

SPurs better crush Suns in game 5 or I'm gonna laugh my ass off
The Spurs have lost to a bunch of teams this year missing their top player. You may yet see them come out and lay an egg.

[duncan228]

I have been a Suns fan since 87 when Colangelo took over.

I am a realist along with a Suns fan. And a realist knows you would lose without Duncan just as we lose without Stoudemire.

Thanks for answering.
I agree it's a bad blow but I still don't think it's over.
Not by a long shot.

[Doug Collins]

Come on dude. You are the same people that were praying for this suspension. Stop acting like the Suns still have a chance.


THIS SERIES
Nash = Will be smothered with no one playing above the rim.
Marion = Not a factor on offense.
Bell = Hit's 2 or 3 from behind the line a night.
Barbosa = Not a factor on offense OR defense.

I guess you didn't see the spurs blow game 5 to dallas in 2003, allowing walt williams and nick van exel to destroy them, and the team the suns have is infinitely better than that one. But whatever if you're gonna fuckin bail on your team then go ahead. Just don't show up if they pull out game 5 and/or win the series. Even if they dont win game 5, you dont think the suns are gonna be fired up for game 6? Come on.

[Scumbag]

I've asked twice with no answer.



Wait 5 minutes before you post.

[noles1983]

I have been a Suns fan since 87 when Colangelo took over.

I am a realist along with a Suns fan. And a realist knows you would lose without Duncan just as we lose without Stoudemire.

im sick of this shit, amare has been bitching this whole series. He was waiting for an opportunity to fight someone. Dumb fuckin ogre deserved what he got

[lefty]

If Amare didn't open his big mouth, there would have beeb no bad blood btwn these 2 teams ; Amare is a fucking moron

[RonMexico]

I'm against the Suns' suspensions but equating Duncan's actions to Amare is something a moron would do. Duncan stepped on the court probably more to help Elson if he was hurt. Amare charged the court while being restrained. That said Amare is enough of a pussy I'm sure he wasn't going to tangle with Horry. More likely he was going to flex and do a couple of push ups.

I'm sure you've watched the video enough. He looked right at Nash and started running towards him. I have a feeling that if Amare really wanted to get in the scuffle at midcourt, he would have made it past Marc Ivaroni (who had his back turned to the play). You can't claim that Duncan was taking the high road and Amare wasn't - that's just plain ignorant.

Three key Duncan moments from Game 4: (a) telling Nash to "stop flopping" (the irony is just too unbearable for me to explain that more); (b) finally getting called for moving his pivot foot; and (c) thrownig up his hands on the bench and acting like the Spurs never receive the benefit of bullshit calls.

But he was only jumping up to "help Elson"... Ladies and Gentleman, Tim "The Humanitarian" Duncan.

[zocool16]

Ok first of all, I'm a Spurs fan and I really don't like the Suns right now. In the heat of the battle, with them making those comments about the Spurs being dirty, with cheap shots who are not only coming from the San Antonio side (Bell knocking down Oberto) and now with their office (did i read this right?) trying to make the league suspend Bowen and Duncan, it's hard to not disklike them. However, having said all of this...

I cannot help but feel bad for Suns' fans. Obviously I don't like Stoudemire because of all the things he's said throughout the series, but he was guilty of a faulty rule that should be examined after the season is over. This could have happened to the Spurs, one of our players could have been delivered a hard foul like that and our players could've been off the bench just the way Stoudemire was. Perhaps the Spurs' players would have known better not to abandon the "bench's vicinity", or not.

It's a bad break for the Suns, because Stoudemire did not really do anything in this occasion. However, he needs to mature sooner, be more aware of what the rules are (stupid as they may be) and do what's best for his team. Those Suns assistants should have been on them as soon as that happened, but they were just as stunned.

It's a break for the Spurs. They should win the next game...but Spurs fans know better at how well San Antonio fares in emotional games.

Go Spurs Go

[The_Worlds_finest]

Amare isnt going to do shit...start a vbookie...POTG Game Six
Amare(+400)
TD(-200)

[Amarelooms]

Keys for the Suns to win Game 5:

1. Play LOTS OF ZONE. Force Parker to shoot and the Spurs to jack up 3's

2. Barbosa HAS TO BE HUGE!!! NEED 30+ from him...he's gotta ATTACK THE RIM and hit his 3's

3. Be PHYSICAL...you gotta but Parker and Flopnobli on their @$$. Not really dirty plays but HARD FOULS.

4. Nash must play like the MVP Nash..can't be having 8 TO a game

5. Marion needs TO BOARD...guards are gonna have to help out as well

Lastly, even if you lose game 5 you can win game 6 and 7. Refs can;t help but feel sorry for the Suns so expect all calls to go the Suns way regardless of where the games are played. Plus Amare will LOOM in game 6...he might go for 50 :elephant

[clambake]

I'd love to see the spurs win it now.

It would be as well earned as Dirks MVP.

[ponky]

AMare+Diaw - Horry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dyson terry.

lol, dyson. this is true but all i'm saying is that duncan played even better last season in the playoffs than this season and the mavs couldn't afford to lose any guy for that series because they didn't have any great edge over the spurs. anyway, my point was more that even if the suns lost this one game, they need to think about one game and one game only, game six in san antonio. win that one game and it's a best of one series in phoenix. they've already won in san antonio so at least they've gotten over that hump. i'm tired of arguing over this, it is what it is, i just don't think this series is over because of the suspensions....but it will be if marion doesn't step up and score more.

[hater]

poor suns they were handicapped by a bad situation. nobody's fault really. oh well, good luck next year.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Fucking A, just what we needed - another thread on this :lol

[gospursgooo]

I sympathize... but a rule is a rule. Now go try and change the rule.

[GrandeDavid]

I think SunsFan is going to implode. Dude, RELAX! Its just freaking sports. You don't get paid to give yourself heart trouble like the millionaires we watch. :lol

[Kermit]

:jack

[Obstructed_View]

In the grand scheme of it all, that rule is archaic and weak and Stu Jackson has no spine.

How are Richardson and Davis playing tonight and two guys that didn't throw a punch are taken out on a technicality?

Like the refs use the half-cirlce too much on block/charge calls, the league uses this "letter of the law" defense as a crutch.

And picnroll, Horry was suspended for 2 games because he threw the first two blows (first - leveling Nash; 2nd - elbowing Bell in the chops before Raja even raised his hand).
The rule is weak. The rule is archaic. The rule is still a rule. The league may address it in the offseason, but a zero-tolerance policy is exactly that for now. You know I hate that it comes to that but there's no getting around when someone violates a clear and established rule.

I think Horry was suspended one game because the flagrant was so late in the game that ejecting him didn't serve any purpose, and the other was for the contact above Bell's shoulders, whether he meant to do it or not.

[michaelwcho]

I gotta admit. All this crying and bitching is cheap entertainment! Nothing like a hostile playoff series! :lol
Issu mesmo!

[Trainwreck2100]

If you have a luggie spit it out.

[to21]

Sign out!

[T Park]

Amare is going to tear up the Spurs in Game 6.

cool

that worked in 05.

Ooops...

[Scumbag]

I guess you didn't see the spurs blow game 5 to dallas in 2003, allowing walt williams and nick van exel to destroy them, and the team the suns have is infinitely better than that one. But whatever if you're gonna fuckin bail on your team then go ahead. Just don't show up if they pull out game 5 and/or win the series. Even if they dont win game 5, you dont think the suns are gonna be fired up for game 6? Come on.


You really do not understand that it got harder, in an already brutal series, to win?

Anything can happen I am not arguing that. But the chances of it happening have been cut in 1/2. What cut it in half? Horry thugging a player of another team then the league decided to punish that same team. Good logic.

[UV Ray]

I wish it didn't happen.
You're a lying fucking Homer. Look in the mirror.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Ok first of all, I'm a Spurs fan and I really don't like the Suns right now. In the heat of the battle, with them making those comments about the Spurs being dirty, with cheap shots who are not only coming from the San Antonio side (Bell knocking down Oberto) and now with their office (did i read this right?) trying to make the league suspend Bowen and Duncan, it's hard to not disklike them. However, having said all of this...

I cannot help but feel bad for Suns' fans. Obviously I don't like Stoudemire because of all the things he's said throughout the series, but he was guilty of a faulty rule that should be examined after the season is over. This could have happened to the Spurs, one of our players could have been delivered a hard foul like that and our players could've been off the bench just the way Stoudemire was. Perhaps the Spurs' players would have known better not to abandon the "bench's vicinity", or not.

It's a bad break for the Suns, because Stoudemire did not really do anything in this occasion. However, he needs to mature sooner, be more aware of what the rules are (stupid as they may be) and do what's best for his team. Those Suns assistants should have been on them as soon as that happened, but they were just as stunned.

It's a break for the Spurs. They should win the next game...but Spurs fans know better at how well San Antonio fares in emotional games.

Go Spurs Go

Absolutely. :tu

How about this scenario: Parker is levelled in the same manner by Thomas. You don't think some of the Spurs leave the bench? And if they are smart and don't, what would happen then? Why the Spurs would all be called out for "not defending their team mate". It's a Catch 22 situation. The rule is flawed. There should be a provision for fines if the "altercation" does not go beyond a scrum, which is basically what happened. Nothing more than a bit of pushing and a few harsh words were exchanged!

[Scumbag]

Thats all you got? Seriously dude, either bring some better shit or shut the fuck up


This guy is an internet tough guy EVERY DAY!

[Obstructed_View]

I'm sure you've watched the video enough. He looked right at Nash and started running towards him.
Dude, he wasn't heading toward the spot where Nash was, he was heading to the spot where Horry was. There's tons of video evidence of that. I understand that you are upset, but at least be truthful.

[The Truth #6]

This could easily backfire on us in game 5 with rabid fans and wussy refs who are too happy to give in to the emotion. I don't normally think refs screw teams on purpose but game 5 might show the refs are not going to take anything from the Spurs. You know Stern is pissed for being "forced" to do these suspensions and will likely tighten up the officiating even more. Bowen will probably have 2 fouls in the first 6 minutes. I'm not saying, I'm just saying...

[mardigan]

This guy is an internet tough guy EVERY DAY!
:lol And your an internet joto everyday

[UV Ray]

I already lived through one asterisk season, another would be easy.

Practice makes perfect ... weasel boy.

[Obstructed_View]

Absolutely. :tu

How about this scenario: Parker is levelled in the same manner by Thomas. You don't think some of the Spurs leave the bench? And if they are smart and don't, what would happen then? Why the Spurs would all be called out for "not defending their team mate". It's a Catch 22 situation. The rule is flawed. There should be a provision for fines if the "altercation" does not go beyond a scrum, which is basically what happened. Nothing more than a bit of pushing and a few harsh words were exchanged!
Defending your teammate? That's the reason the rule was created. A guy can tell everyone what a good teammate he is while watching the game at a sports bar.

[Scumbag]

And your an internet joto everyday


Ahh, a sexual orientation joke.. how mature.

[Pablo Escobar]

fuck the suns

[RonMexico]

This sucks. If I was a Suns fan I'd be going crazy.

Amare is going to tear up the Spurs in Game 6.

Thank you, Kori for being objective about this. I am going nuts, personally, but I've already been through this type of disappointment with Billy Gillispie leaving earlier this year. (By that I mean, all day long I prepared myself to see the headline that they were both suspended, just like I prepared since A&M lost in the tourney for BCG to be introduced in Lexington.)

Now, all that doesn't mean I'm not feeling this hit right now, but it still leaves a huge knot in my stomach for Game 5... and a fair share of antcipation, as well.

However, I think both teams got screwed over because you've got J-Rich and Baron playing tonight with no suspensions after some pretty blatant thug moves. Horry's downfall was probably elbowing Raja in the neck, which got him the extra game.

[The Great Fantastic]

You're a lying fucking Homer. Look in the mirror.

This is bad for basketball, because this is a great series. But I will be happy when your fucking team is out of the playoffs. I have nothing but respect for Nash. I think Stoudemire is a fucking monster, but is as stupid as they come. D'Antoni is completely obnoxious but I dont' hate him. I love watching great basketball, but I understand the rules. The league should look into changing the rules. But for you to blame anyone other than Stoudemire and Diaw is ridiculous. Oh yea, and I will be happy when your team loses and I hear nothing from you ever again. Here's to branding someone a fucking Homer after reading one post from them!!!!!!

[zocool16]

goddamn my freaking post took me an hour to write and it got merged lol ahhh only in spurstalk.com :lol

[MannyIsGod]

In looking at the Suns' options for Game 5, it would seem to me that D'Antoni's best option is to go small -- really, really small. Frankly, teams that can go small like that have given the Spurs fits. Milwaukee did it twice this year with tremendous success. I can't see that D'Antoni will even try to match size-for-size. Go small, keep trying to push the ball, take every shot that you get and see what happens.

I'm not sold on the idea that Game 5 will somehow be a walkover for the Spurs.Exactly, and now the anger that should have been fueling the Spurs over a loss has to swing over to the Suns over being screwed by a technicality. And thats all it was, a technicality.

The rule is spirit is meant to stop from extra players joining a fight the way they did in the old Miami/NY series. It isn't meant to punish players who react emotionaly then think better of it.

If anything I would have liked Raja Bell to get some action tossed his way, but Amare and Diaw were not deserving of suspensions. At some point common sense should come into fucking play.

Seriously, those who think this somehow makes it easier for the Spurs to win just aren't looking at the reality of the situation.

[clambake]

Fuck the Suns?

The Spurs did.

[Spurs Brazil]

That's BS

I think nobody should be suspended

[Scumbag]

Seriously, those who think this somehow makes it easier for the Spurs to win just aren't looking at the reality of the situation.


Right, lose Duncan and whatever scrub big man you have coming off the bench that backs him up and lets see how much "easier" it makes it on the Spurs.

[Jimcs50]

:elephant


Horry comes through again...the guy never ceases to amaze me.

[GrandeDavid]

The implication is that: In the event of the worst case scenario.

Comprehend much?

Shut your f-ing loud, stupid, punk, trashy, sewery, smart ass mouth up. Piss off and cry at a cheezy Suns board or on that azcentral site. Smart ass little piece of dirt asking if I "comprehend much"? I comprehend much more than you are capable, shithead.

Now all you trolls and bitching ass baby Suns fans can kiss my ass to next week. You idiots make it hard to sympathize with your team's situation. I know you fools don't reflect the majority of Suns fans, but stop for a second and think about how you are behaving, you f-ing toddlers.

Now, having said that, may the best team win. :toast

[mardigan]

That's BS

I think nobody should be suspended
I agree, and I think a lot of Spur fans agree, but even though its a dumbass rule, I guess the NBA couldnt do anything about it right now

[Budkin]

I'll take it.

Me too... I'll take any advantage we can get after the debacle last night.

[Budkin]

Shut your f-ing loud, stupid, punk, trashy, sewery, smart ass mouth up. Piss off and cry at a cheezy Suns board or on that azcentral site. Smart ass little piece of dirt asking if I "comprehend much"? I comprehend much more than you are capable, shithead.

Now all you trolls and bitching ass baby Suns fans can kiss my ass to next week. You idiots make it hard to sympathize with your team's situation. I know you fools don't reflect the majority of Suns fans, but stop for a second and think about how you are behaving, you f-ing toddlers.

Now, having said that, may the best team win. :toast

Go Grande! FUCK YEAH!!! :clap :clap :clap

[Jimcs50]

Well ... it doesn't guarantee a win for the Spurs in any case. I was hoping this wouldn't happen, rule or no rule.


Because if the Spurs do win the series, we'll never hear the end of it. :(


I could care less.

If SA wins the 4th ring, they can put a huge asterisk next to it, and I will not give a rat's ass.

:p:

[Scumbag]

The best team plays basketball. The other plays thugball.

[Kori Ellis]

Is it really a Spurs advantage? The Spurs might win game 5, but then game 6 is almost an automatic Suns win. Spurs with No Horry against a pissed off full strength Suns team.

Then it's a game 7 in Phoenix.

I would have just rather no one got suspended.

[UV Ray]

This is bad for basketball, because this is a great series. But I will be happy when your fucking team is out of the playoffs. I have nothing but respect for Nash. I think Stoudemire is a fucking monster, but is as stupid as they come. D'Antoni is completely obnoxious but I dont' hate him. I love watching great basketball, but I understand the rules. The league should look into changing the rules. But for you to blame anyone other than Stoudemire and Diaw is ridiculous. Oh yea, and I will be happy when your team loses and I hear nothing from you ever again. Here's to branding someone a fucking Homer after reading one post from them!!!!!!


Well, hell Homer, I tried to read'em all but I kept falling asleep. :sleep

[1SUNSFAN]

This is who I would start:

Marcus Banks - PG
Pat Burke - C
Jumaine Jones - SG
Sean Marks - F
Eric Piatkowski - PF

I would tell them... listen guys... if you foul someone hard, maybe hard enough for them to end their career. You'll get a signing bonus when this season is over. :)

Stupid DIRTY Spurs! If I had tickets to the game I'd bring a pocket full of D batteries and be hucking them at Bowen and Gino the whole game!

[Scumbag]

I would have just rather no one got suspended.


Even the guy that threw the cheap shot? Let's forget about him. It was clearly Amare and Diaw's fault.

[The Great Fantastic]

hahahahah Dude, I have fucking 60 posts. I have been on this board for at least 9 months. You are hilarious. How long did it take you to get 80 posts? Two weeks?

[mardigan]

Ahh, a sexual orientation joke.. how mature.
Just like you Im callin em like I see em

[Jimcs50]

Is it really a Spurs advantage? The Spurs might win game 5, but then game 6 is almost an automatic Suns win. Spurs with No Horry against a pissed off full strength Suns team.

Then it's a game 7 in Phoenix.

I would have just rather no one got suspended.


Kori, ordinarily I would agree with you, but I have been watching these Spurs for years and they seem to come up big when they have to(Dallas last year was an exception) I think Spurs will win a squeeker tomorrow and then win by at least 10 in game 6...that is my gut feeling.

[Kori Ellis]

Even the guy that threw the cheap shot? Let's forget about him. It was clearly Amare and Diaw's fault.

I didn't say it was the Suns fault, so get off your high horse. I have been saying all day that I think Horry should have gotten suspended - one game.

[ducks]

Is it really a Spurs advantage? The Spurs might win game 5, but then game 6 is almost an automatic Suns win. Spurs with No Horry against a pissed off full strength Suns team.

Then it's a game 7 in Phoenix.

I would have just rather no one got suspended.


I think amare will try to do to much and get in foul trouble in game 6

[Obstructed_View]

Even the guy that threw the cheap shot? Let's forget about him. It was clearly Amare and Diaw's fault.
Jesus Christ, you just have no sense at all. She's defending your guys, douche.

[Scumbag]

Suns should give up game 5. Just show up to cash in on our fouls and see who we can hurt or draw off the bench.

[UV Ray]

hahahahah Dude, I have fucking 60 posts. I have been on this board for at least 9 months. You are hilarious. How long did it take you to get 80 posts? Two weeks?

Homer

[mullet]

spurs are going to lose in 6.

last night was god awful

[Jimcs50]

Stupid DIRTY Spurs! If I had tickets to the game I'd bring a pocket full of D batteries and be hucking them at Bowen and Gino the whole game!


And you would be spending the night in the county jail getting buttfucked all night long....that would be oh so sweet for you, yes?

[Scumbag]

Just like you Im callin em like I see em


I would expect a race joke next from a bigot like you.

[popshark86]

FUCK YOU David Stern.

in your face you piece of shit mav fan who doesnt have a life and has to post here

[ploto]

Diaw hasn't even been playing all that well- Suns are -13 in both of the last 2 games with him on the court. Without Amare, you will see more small ball and the Spurs will also probably be forced to go that way, too. Get your track shoes on...

I also predict a possible Salvatore sighting and a parade to the free throw line- which could hurt the Spurs in 2 ways. 1-- Suns shoot better at the FT line and 2-- if little defense is allowed to be played in this game, the Suns may score like crazy.

[GrandeDavid]

This is too much fun!

I know you guys are impassioned, but DAMN!

:lol

[timvp]

Not surprised.

The Spurs always get the upper hand when the league is ruling on a matter. Literally every time in recent memory, when in doubt the NBA helps the Spurs out.

I'm over the talk of Game 4 and all the extra curricular activity. Time to concentrate on not being the laughing stock of the NBA in Game 5.

[Jimcs50]

in your face you piece of shit mav fan who doesnt have a life and has to post here


Did you see how Cuban was attired at Dirk's MVP presentation....he looked like a slob as usual. The guy has no class what so ever. You Dallas fans aew just as classless.

[jochhejaam]

Huge advantage for the Spurs in game 5


At the very least Stern and his minions should have deferred the suspensions until next regular season.
Darn good series goes to pot!

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'm fully expecting Parker to be on the floor a lot in G5. With the way things have played out, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Suns tried to take him out of this series, especially if they're down big.

[GrandeDavid]

I even jumped into the foray, which is uncharacteristic of me. Just too hard to resist.

[The Great Fantastic]

Homer

NOBODY LIKES YOU! Amare Stoudemire would spit in your face because you would get in the way of him getting tail at a fucking night club with your "I think it was undeserved that you got that suspension, Amare! I even went on Spurs chat boards and told them what was up!!"

[UV Ray]

Shut your f-ing loud, stupid, punk, trashy, sewery, smart ass mouth up. Piss off and cry at a cheezy Suns board or on that azcentral site. Smart ass little piece of dirt asking if I "comprehend much"? I comprehend much more than you are capable, shithead.

Now all you trolls and bitching ass baby Suns fans can kiss my ass to next week. You idiots make it hard to sympathize with your team's situation. I know you fools don't reflect the majority of Suns fans, but stop for a second and think about how you are behaving, you f-ing toddlers.

Now, having said that, may the best team win. :toast


Res ipsa loquitur :rolleyes

[Scumbag]

Now you guys have a chance to win.

[timvp]

The Spurs are the golden child on the NBA. The league office never does them bad.

[Scumbag]

Goooooo Spurs!

[Jimcs50]

I even jumped into the foray, which is uncharacteristic of me. Just too hard to resist.


Welcome to the dark side.

:)

[ploto]

Kori, ordinarily I would agree with you, but I have been watching these Spurs for years and they seem to come up big when they have to(Dallas last year was an exception) I think Spurs will win a squeeker tomorrow and then win by at least 10 in game 6...that is my gut feeling.
Spurs haven't won a game by double digits over a good team in the playoffs the last 2 years (ie, Dallas and Phoenix).

[GrandeDavid]

UV Ray, its high time to give it a rest. Go get in a good workout, have a cocktail, find a shower rod. Just settle down. You've made your point, no need to keep taking the bait.

[UV Ray]

NOBODY LIKES YOU! Amare Stoudemire would spit in your face because you would get in the way of him getting tail at a fucking night club with your "I think it was undeserved that you got that suspension, Amare! I even went on Spurs chat boards and told them what was up!!"

Yo momma.

[Jimcs50]

The Spurs are the golden child on the NBA. The league office never does them bad.


The NBA's answer to the New England Patriots.

It is sweet to be the favorite child.

:lol

[duncan228]

It did finally make NBA.com
http://www.nba.com/news/spurssunssuspension_070515.html

Three Players Suspended Following Spurs-Suns Incident
Posted May 15 2007 7:02PM

NEW YORK, May 15 -- Robert Horry of the San Antonio Spurs has been suspended two games without pay and Amaré Stoudemire and Boris Diaw of the Phoenix Suns have each been suspended one game without pay for their actions in last night's game, it was announced today by Stu Jackson, NBA Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations.

Horry has been suspended for flagrantly fouling Phoenix’s Steve Nash and striking Raja Bell above the shoulders with a forearm. Stoudemire and Diaw have been suspended for leaving “the immediate vicinity of their bench” during an altercation. The incident occurred with :18 remaining in the fourth period of the Suns' 104-98 win over the Spurs last night at AT&T Center.

Horry will serve his suspension sitting out Games 5 and 6 of the Spurs-Suns Western Conference Semifinal series, while Stoudemire and Diaw will miss Game 5 tomorrow night at US Airways Center in Phoenix.

[td4mvp21]

I'm disappointed in the way things turned out....this sucks. It was a very good competitive series and now there is going to be disadvantages. However, the Suns players broke the rule. After all of the Suns fans calling Spurs players dirty, whose players were the first players off the bench ready to fight? The Suns players. STFU and blame your idiot center for not being mature enough. He commits stupid fouls and has a hot head and doesn't know how to handle situations. Part of being a championship squad is knowing how to act and being poised; the Suns clearly have not showed that capablitiy this entire series, especially in the closing moments of Game 4. They have bitched so fucking much it's like watching a soap opera; they get frustrated and start to act like little babies when something doesn't go their way. They need to work on that if they ever want to win a championship. As for Horry-his foul was a hard one and I don't really have a problem with it but it was wrong and immature for him to do. A player with that much experience should know better. I still love Horry and respect him but that was crossing the line. So far, neither team has shown me that they are better than the other. If the Spurs win tomorrow night, there will be no asterisk. If the Suns win tomorrow night, Spurs fans have no right to play the "what if" game. If a team is meant to win a championship, it will overcome all odds possible. So let's play the damn game and quit saying Stern fixed the series. I'm so sick of this fucking drama the Spurs and even more so the Suns have caused. It's annoying as hell. Stern didn't want to suspend Amare and Diaw, but its the rules. He can't make exceptions. Nash shouldn't have overreacted like he did. The Suns players shouldn't have gone on the court. Horry should have just fouled him normally.

And to the Suns fans on this board:
Quit being snobby bitches about everything. Apparently your team isn't so poised so don't blame Stern nor the refs. Blame your players' immaturity.

[Jimcs50]

Spurs haven't won a game by double digits over a good team in the playoffs the last 2 years (ie, Dallas and Phoenix).

Well, then they are due, yes?

[LavaLamp]

Duncan will get 50 points tomorrow.


Or maybe there will be some "active" balancing by the refs... calling ticky-tac fouls on Duncan. Do you think Stern has the power to "instruct" the refs to tilt a game a certain way?

[Obstructed_View]

The NBA's answer to the New England Patriots.

It is sweet to be the favorite child.

:lol
That's because the Spurs keep Momma's pockets lined with great ratings, exciting basketball, and huge merchandise revenues. :toast

[GrandeDavid]

The NBA's answer to the New England Patriots.

It is sweet to be the favorite child.

:lol

Makes sense being that the Spurs are the hottest ticket according to the television ratings. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Or maybe there will be some "active" balancing by the refs... calling ticky-tac fouls on Duncan. Do you think Stern has the power to "instruct" the refs to tilt a game a certain way?
According to the Suns fans, he does it to the Suns in every game they lose.

[The Great Fantastic]

I still wish Horry wouldn't have done that shit.

[Scumbag]

"Get more physical. Get more physical" is all they heard for a week. They get more physical and are paying the price.

[Obstructed_View]

I still wish Horry wouldn't have done that shit.
I wish the officiating crew had called the touch foul on Finley instead of daring the Spurs to have to foul hard enough for it to be called.

[Obstructed_View]

"Get more physical. Get more physical" is all they heard for a week. They get more physical and are paying the price.
Getting off the bench and running onto the court is physical? I'm not sure that's what anyone meant. :lol

[timvp]

I wish the officiating crew had called the touch foul on Finley instead of daring the Spurs to have to foul hard enough for it to be called.

Or if Manu had made the layup . . .

[Jimcs50]

I think is keeping in the spirit of fairness, Pop should sit TD out for game 5. This would show Phoenix that we can beat them without our best player.

Good idea, I think....nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

[The Great Fantastic]

Nobody Talk About My Momma!!! Where Do You Live? I'm Going To Fight You!!! Seriously, I Want To Fight You For What You Said On This Internet Chat Forum.

[mardigan]

Or if Manu had made the layup . . .
Or if Finley had hit that wide ass open 3 at the end

[Scumbag]

I wish the officiating crew had called the touch foul on Finley instead of daring the Spurs to have to foul hard enough for it to be called.


You are right... its the ref's fault. Suspend them!

[The Great Fantastic]

That was suppost to be in all caps. dang it, it's just not as intimidating without all caps.

[Jimcs50]

I wish the officiating crew had called the touch foul on Finley instead of daring the Spurs to have to foul hard enough for it to be called.


I wish that Horry would have gotten to that spot a half second earlier, drew the charge, then hit a 3 to tie the game......

:)

[UV Ray]

UV Ray, its high time to give it a rest. Go get in a good workout, have a cocktail, find a shower rod. Just settle down. You've made your point, no need to keep taking the bait.

Bait? So that's what the smell was. For a minute I thought it was......






TAINTED VICTORY.

[popshark86]

Punk ass pussy.
And then you'll bitch when people say the series was handed to you.

fucking idiot

its not our fault that amare is dumb and can't follow rules

[lefty]

NONE of that would have occured

..if Amare hadn't opened his big mouth.

Calling the whole Spurs team dirty was a huge mistake. He should have just called Bowen a dirty player, like Ray Allen or VC did, but calling the Spurs a dirty team when in fact it's not true, and during the playoffs, that was insulting, and resulted in bad blood.

Way to go Amare.

[Jimcs50]

fucking idiot

its not our fault that amare is dumb and can't follow rules

The guy is a dumbass, if not for a basketball talent, he would be in jail...so having to sit out a game is not too bad....in the grand scheme of things, I'd say.

[SPURSCHAMPS]

The NBA just handed the series to the Spurs. No doubt. We got the best end of the stick. Horry causes all of this crap and we get the best end of the deal. WOW.

How do you know for sure that we got the best deal of the stick? It's not like the suns will fold now that two of their best players are sitting out for one game.I hate this arrogance circulating in this forum nowadays.But be careful for what you ask for. In the end it will come back to bite you.

[ponky]

Nobody Talk About My Momma!!! Where Do You Live? I'm Going To Fight You!!! Seriously, I Want To Fight You For What You Said On This Internet Chat Forum.

:lol :lol :lol

i can't wait until tomorrow night. fuck the scaredy cats who don't believe in their team and bail before it's over, the suns still have a good shot of pulling this out, even tomorrow night. that crowd in phoenix should be crazy, will be interesting.

[LuvBones]

I haven't gone through this whole thread but I just wanted to say that I don't agree Nash could beat the Spurs on his own without Stoudemire (& Diaw). Without him the Suns wouldn't even be in this series. It's not ALL about Nash. Take away all of Stoudemire's stats and the Suns would lose every game.

[Scumbag]

Now you can call the Suns dirty when Parker's career ends tomorrow night.

[UV Ray]

Nobody Talk About My Momma!!! Where Do You Live? I'm Going To Fight You!!! Seriously, I Want To Fight You For What You Said On This Internet Chat Forum.

I think you just crossed the Spurstalk "Do not cross" line. You're suspended.
:nope

[Obstructed_View]

You are right... its the ref's fault. Suspend them!
It's difficult to tell what your position is. It's also surprising that you wouldn't agree that actually calling the Finely foul would have kept Amare and Diaw from being suspended. My team benefitted more from the incident; I think you are working way too hard at being combative and disagreeable.

[Jimcs50]

:lol :lol :lol

i can't wait until tomorrow night. fuck the scaredy cats who don't believe in their team and bail before it's over, the suns still have a good shot of pulling this out, even tomorrow night. that crowd in phoenix should be crazy, will be interesting.


They better use metal detectors, because there might be some crazies in the house, and who knows what might happen.

[ponky]

I haven't gone through this whole thread but I just wanted to say that I don't agree Nash could beat the Spurs on his own without Stoudemire (& Diaw). Without him the Suns wouldn't even be in this series. It's not ALL about Nash. Take away all of Stoudemire's stats and the Suns would lose every game.


just curious, anyone know what the series breakdown was last year during the regular season between the spurs/suns?

[mardigan]

Now you can call the Suns dirty when Parker's career ends tomorrow night.
Shut the fuck up bitch, that shit is uncalled for. No reason to go there

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Now can the Spurs capitalize

[Scumbag]

The guy is a dumbass, if not for a basketball talent, he would be in jail...so having to sit out a game is not too bad....in the grand scheme of things, I'd say.


That is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.

[mardigan]

That is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.

Now you can call the Suns dirty when Parker's career ends tomorrow night.
:rolleyes

[Jimcs50]

Now you can call the Suns dirty when Parker's career ends tomorrow night.

He'd still be fucking Eva Longoria every night, and you'd still be fucking that ugly skank that you have.

:lol

[ponky]

They better use metal detectors, because there might be some crazies in the house, and who knows what might happen.

i hate to say it but you might be right. i was scared shitless when i went to the second round games in s.a. last year and it wasn't because of spurs fans in general, there are always some freakin' psychos in every fanbase...i bet there's some freaks spamming the league with silly email threats right now

[Obstructed_View]

That is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.
You mean aside from your previous post, of course. :lol

[Scumbag]

No reason to go there


Oh, but calling someone a "faggot" is somewhere to go?

Shut your mouth, you are the toughest 13 year old on the internet you have proven that over and over again. Give it a rest.

[Cherry]

NONE of that would have occured

..if Amare hadn't opened his big mouth.


:tu :bang

[anotherphoenixnative]

You have a team full of underhanded cowards. The only one I like is Finley; he's still a Sun. He's got ethics and ability. David Stern is a pussy. Robert Horry is a pussy and Raja would have kicked his washed-up ass. I hate your team; I have more respect for the LA Rapists than your pathetic F!@#ing team. Laugh it up, losers!

[Kori Ellis]

Now you can call the Suns dirty when Parker's career ends tomorrow night.

Really seriously, stop this kind of crap. I am from Phoenix and I sort of still like the Suns. And I definitely feel sorry for their situation. But these type of comments really need to stop.

Also (for the others) people threatening to beat each other up over the internet is beyond pansy. Just calm down, freaks.

[Jimcs50]

That is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard.

Do you know of his history????

You are the most ignorant person, if you do not even know of his long list of problems with the law, and he is supposed to be a member of your own team.

:lol

[GrandeDavid]

I haven't gone through this whole thread but I just wanted to say that I don't agree Nash could beat the Spurs on his own without Stoudemire (& Diaw). Without him the Suns wouldn't even be in this series. It's not ALL about Nash. Take away all of Stoudemire's stats and the Suns would lose every game.

If you enjoy reading people's insults, f-bombs, bitch bombs etc. then I recommend you start on page 1 and read 98% of the takes. :lol

[mardigan]

Oh, but calling someone a "faggot" is somewhere to go?

Shut your mouth, you are the toughest 13 year old on the internet you have proven that over and over again. Give it a rest.
I can call you anything I want you little dumb bitch just like you can call me anything you want. No need to bring one of our players into it talking about his career being over. You are a bitch dude, deal with it

[td4mvp21]

You have a team full of underhanded cowards. The only one I like is Finley; he's still a Sun. He's got ethics and ability. David Stern is a pussy. Robert Horry is a pussy and Raja would have kicked his washed-up ass. I hate your team; I have more respect for the LA Rapists than your pathetic F!@#ing team. Laugh it up, losers!

If I'm not mistaken, the Spurs didn't start anything at all this series. The Suns called a physical team "dirty" because their soft play couldn't keep up. That started the whole thing.

[monosylab1k]

rules are rules....it sucks but whatever.

As long as Nash is out there, Phoenix is in good shape. In fact, this may be a good thing for Phoenix....Amare tends to screw things up with his godawful defense, and Diaw has been practically useless anyways....get Kurt Thomas more minutes and just pray that you get something from James Jones, but either way Phoenix is still in very good shape.

[timvp]

Well it looks like a rivalry was just born.

For whatever that's worth.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The Suns trying to take out Parker would make this series even better than it is.

A brawl would be legendary.

[td4mvp21]

I love Phoenix and the people there, but right now I hate the Suns :lol and their fans are getting on my nerves.

[The Great Fantastic]

I think you just crossed the Spurstalk "Do not cross" line. You're suspended.
:nope

If I did in fact cross the line, I would take my suspension and understand the repercussions that my suspension has on this board. I would not, in fact, blame the moderators for suspending me. I would own up and apologize to the other posters and moderators for losing my cool while being poked and agitated. I would learn from the experience and grow from it. Not bitch and moan until everyone realized what a fucking pathetic tool I am.

[mullet]

Or if Manu had made the layup . . .

whats your call on why he is not even resembling the player of the past two years?

its obviously psychological, but do you think its still a hangover from game 7 last year?

talk about some hardcore performance anxiety.... lets give him some viagra.

or better yet, he likes it rough. lets have someone kick his ass to rile him up

[ducks]

Now you can call the Suns dirty when Parker's career ends tomorrow night.
:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

[Scumbag]

They better use metal detectors, because there might be some crazies in the house, and who knows what might happen.


Last year in the first round after the Raja suspension people called in bomb threats.

[ducks]

I think game 5 will be called very tight

[ponky]

so last season, the suns won a game in phoenix against the spurs without amare or barbosa, kurt thomas played 34 minutes in that game and while diaw played, barbosa didn't even play and he tends to be a more effective scorer. that's the only win they had against the spurs, was when another key guy was out in addition to amare.

[Jimcs50]

Well it looks like a rivalry was just born.

For whatever that's worth.


Have to have one team win every now and again for it to be a rivalry and losing 16 of the last 22 games does not make you a rival...but rather a small pest, a gnat that keeps flying around bothering you...... :lol

[monosylab1k]

Well it looks like a rivalry was just born.

For whatever that's worth.

stupid choking ass Mavericks, we're back to being second tier Spurs rivals... :depressed

[Scumbag]

I can call you anything I want you little dumb bitch just like you can call me anything you want. No need to bring one of our players into it talking about his career being over. You are a bitch dude, deal with it


You really are soooo TOUGH! Here here here! Take my wallet!

[GrandeDavid]

Well it looks like a rivalry was just born.

For whatever that's worth.

Rivalry? Its an e-brawl! :lol

Seriously, I usually avoid smack threads but decided to humor myself tonight.
Was there ever this much animosity with the Lakers and Mavs fans? This seems off the charts!

[ChumpDumper]

Suns will be fine.

[The Great Fantastic]

Really seriously, stop this kind of crap. I am from Phoenix and I sort of still like the Suns. And I definitely feel sorry for their situation. But these type of comments really need to stop.

Also (for the others) people threatening to beat each other up over the internet is beyond pansy. Just calm down, freaks.


Was anyone seriously threatening to beat each other up over the internet? This shit is funny! Can't someone take it so far as to point out how ludicrous all the shit talking on the board is?

[GrandeDavid]

The Suns trying to take out Parker would make this series even better than it is.

A brawl would be legendary.

And then just give the championship to Utah? No thanks. ;)

[Kori Ellis]

Rivalry? Its an e-brawl! :lol

Seriously, I usually avoid smack threads but decided to humor myself tonight.
Was there ever this much animosity with the Lakers and Mavs fans? This seems off the charts!

Umm.. He's talking about rivalry between the teams, not the posters.

And this is nothing here compared to the crap talking Mavs fans from last year.

[ducks]

Well it looks like a rivalry was just born.

For whatever that's worth.


looks that way

[Jimcs50]

Now I kind of like Laker Lanny's old nickname for our Spurs.....from now on I will call my team The San Antonio Sterns.

:lol

[ducks]

just hope sa fans get loud in game 6

[GrandeDavid]

whats your call on why he is not even resembling the player of the past two years?

its obviously psychological, but do you think its still a hangover from game 7 last year?

talk about some hardcore performance anxiety.... lets give him some viagra.

or better yet, he likes it rough. lets have someone kick his ass to rile him up

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[jcrod]

It sucks! But to say its bullshit is stupid. Its the freaking rule, everybody knows the rule. It is not the Spurs fault or the league. Its Amare and Diaw faults, sucks yes, but it falls squarely on them.

So quit bitching to us, we didn't cause it, your players did.

Its a great series that i believe regardless the Spurs would've won in six, now this just makes it easier.

[mardigan]

You really are soooo TOUGH! Here here here! Take my wallet!
:lol

[Jimcs50]

stupid choking ass Mavericks, we're back to being second tier Spurs rivals... :depressed

At least your team beat us more than half the games in the last 2 years.

[ponky]

stupid choking ass Mavericks, we're back to being second tier Spurs rivals... :depressed

good god, enough already, wipe the snot of your nose and man up, the mavs will be back and be good to go next season, how quickly you fixate on this season and are ready to tear everything down when this team showed us so many good things season. this shit happens and it's not exactly a big fucking surprise that the warriors bumped us even if i did have my fingers crossed. mavs will be alright, make some adjustments and move on, stop the mewling already.

[GrandeDavid]

Umm.. He's talking about rivalry between the teams, not the posters.

And this is nothing here compared to the crap talking Mavs fans from last year.

Sorry for not catching the obvious, Kori, and thanks for the clarification. Yes, there is definitely a Spurs-Suns rivalry now. I just got so engaged in this thread. I think I'll duck out now! :lol

[dnull888]

I think we just taught them the wrong message. If it's okay for Horry to take out Nash, then it is also okay for one of their big guys to take out Parker right in front of our bench? Would anybody think it wasn't a fair exchange? Will we be able to keep our guys on the bench?

[mullet]

The NBA, car sales, and Chaos Theory
Roy Bragg, SA Express News

The Spurs were once owned by Red McCombs, the city's flashiest car salesman. Before menu pricing ruined it for everybody, car sales were all about capitalism and getting the best deal you possibly can.

But no deal on any car in the history of McCombs' auto-schlepping empire equaled the deal the Spurs got Tuesday.

"Big Tackle Rob" for All-NBA Center Amare Stoudemire and 20-minute-a-game guard Boris Diaw?

Stoudemire and Diaw: vital cogs in the NBA's second-best team.

Horry: An old guy known for play-off heroics, but pretty much taking up space otherwise.

We'll take it. Just sign here so we can take it back and get it approved by the sales manager/league commissioner David Stern.


Let's see if we can make the numbers work

Robert Horry's late foul on Stevie Gash, a.k.a. Steve Nash, which occurred when the outcome of Game 4 was already decided and the Spurs were headed for a miserable and embarrassing come-from-ahead home loss to the Phoenix Suns, was pointless and stupid.

Diaw and Stoudemire, like good teammates, rushed to Nash's defense.

Nash had taken a French head to the nose from Tony Parker in Game 1. He took a Bruce Bowen knee to the 'nads Saturday in Game 2. Nash is the former two-time MVP. He is what makes that team tick. He is their meal ticket.

But when they got up as an altercation was ongoing, they immediately fell victim to the NBA rules to de-thug the league.


Tell me how much you're willing to pay

The rules introduce an organized, yet random element into the proceedings. Logic doesn't really play a part. Rather, there are guidelines and they are enforced, whether they make sense or whether they're fair. As in chaos theory, it introduces all sorts of unpredictability into the proceedings.

You punch a guy, you get a suspension. You rack up a certain number of technical fouls in a season, you get a suspension. Those make sense.

And it you get off off the bench for a fight, you get suspended. It doesn't matter if you fight. This is guilt by the Association. You don't have to punch. It doesn't matter if you're the guy getting punched. Even if you're reading Scripture to calm the waters, the rules say that if you get up, you get hit with a suspension.


I just want to make sure you're happy with your deal

Diaw and Stoudemire are a large chunk of Phoenix' team and without them, the league has inadvertently leveled a playing field that was going to be very hostile to the Spurs.

It'll still be hostile in Phoenix. In fact, there could be riots. But, for the Spurs, it might be easier.

Thank goodness for the NBA, its bizarre rules and its equally uniform -- albeit cruel -- enforcement of them. Thank goodness for Horry -- who peddles cars on television, by the way -- by contributing when he can, even if he's throwing Gash into the scorer's table rather than throwing balls into the bucket. As sports blogger Richard Oliver put it in a text message to me minutes ago:


"Holy cow. That may be the best shot Horry ever hit."

It's a good deal. We'll take it. Shall we write it up?

[Jimcs50]

horry shouldn't have been suspended at all. diaw and stoudemire should have gotten one each. oh yeah, mav fan take the cake as far as being stupid goes

Horry got fucked...I too do not think he should have been suspended. Nash flopped.

[UV Ray]

If I did in fact cross the line, I would take my suspension and understand the repercussions that my suspension has on this board. I would not, in fact, blame the moderators for suspending me. I would own up and apologize to the other posters and moderators for losing my cool while being poked and agitated. I would learn from the experience and grow from it. Not bitch and moan until everyone realized what a fucking pathetic tool I am.

Gee Wally, I never thought about it like that. Thanks.

[L.I.T]

Eh, don't feel like reading through the thread.

Unfortunate? Yes. Unfair? Probably. Consistent? Yes.

As I said yesterday: It's the beginning of a beautiful rivalry.

[DePastino]

You give up on your team that easy?
You've got Nash. And home court. One game without your badly spoken powerhouse will cost you the series?

Uh...let's see the Spurs make a go of it without Tim Duncan, then we'll talk.

And just in case you're disputing Duncan=Amare

regardless of whether you feel that Duncan is the superior player, there's no one on your roster who even comes close to Stoudemire in terms of impact on this series, except Duncan.

[The Great Fantastic]

Sure, beav!

[ponky]

Umm.. He's talking about rivalry between the teams, not the posters.

And this is nothing here compared to the crap talking Mavs fans from last year.


hmmmm, i didn't notice, guess the spurstalk meltdown of 2006 blinded me, the numerous threads about officiating hid the dirty mavs fans smack well...lol, j/k, i don't think i talked smack so i can't imagine what they were saying but it can't be any different than the way some spurs fans are reacting to the mavs and suns this year now that they have the upper hand

[Obstructed_View]

I think we just taught them the wrong message. If it's okay for Horry to take out Nash, then it is also okay for one of their big guys to take out Parker right in front of our bench? Would anybody think it wasn't a fair exchange? Will we be able to keep our guys on the bench?
Doubtful that anything like that is going to happen. Nash wasn't injured on the play. The worst-case scenario is that Horry committed a frustration foul, and not even the hardest one so far in the playoffs. He was heavily penalized for it. If the Suns can't deal with that and decide to attempt to injure someone just because their own players didn't follow the rules I'm pretty sure the NBA will see their team dismantled.

[beirmeistr]

The Suns trying to take out Parker would make this series even better than it is.

A brawl would be legendary.
The Suns are unable to take out Parker. His head is stronger than titanium.

[UV Ray]

Sure, beav!
:lol

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Now if Amare had decked Parker like that and TD and Finley each garnered suspensions?

This place would be at DEFCON 1, implosion imminent...

And someone needs to Shop Bowen and Horry's picture over Mahorn's and Laimbeer's...

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad Boooooooooooooys!

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad Boooooooooooooys!

Who would have thunk it?

[dnull888]

Do you have to "lean in" to get a body check? I'm sure some dumbass like Burke wouldn't mind a suspension to take out a guy like Parker.

[The Great Fantastic]

Actually my suspension on this board wouldn't mean dick! In my own head though, it would be huge!

[ponky]

:lol at these homers saying horry should've have been suspended, who the fuck cares about that teething geriatric? get over it.

one thing that IS odd though is that all this talk about how the league absolutely must be consistent with the rules and yet, horry gets suspended and davis does not for flooring fisher and throwing an obvious elbow to the head? not sure about this one.

[Trifecta]

Yep -- the league appears inconsistent this playoff season!

Baron Davis was granted a FF2 but no suspension (because the FF2 was not called during the game but after post game review).

Jason Richardson was not suspended for his hard foul on Okur!

I seriously feel bad for Phoenix and their fans over this ruling!

I wanted to see a fair game!

[gtownspur]

Please hip check parker!

IF that happens Raja, Morion, Baboso will try to thug it up, and pop will send in Vaughn and Udrih to clean up the mess.




I think it'll be a great trade,

Baboso, Morion, and Raja for Udrih And Vaughn.



Or maybe Udrih needs to kick thomas in the gonads!

Rofl.

[spurster]

This sucks. If I was a Suns fan I'd be going crazy.

Amare is going to tear up the Spurs in Game 6.
Agreed. Now if the Spurs become champs, we'll hear about asterisks forever. It almost makes me not want it.

[Jimcs50]

Agreed. Now if the Spurs become champs, we'll hear about asterisks forever. It almost makes me not want it.

Does Washington care that the refs gave them the series against the Spurs in 79 with that phantom call? There is no asterisk, I could care less....you you do not want SA to win now, then you need to rethink your alliegences, I think.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

:pctoss :pctoss :pctoss BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT!!!!! Fuck the NBA. Seriously FUCK THE GOD DAMN NBA!!! :madrun :madrun :madrun :madrun

[VaSpursFan]

horry for 2 games for a body check is merely an attempt by the nba to get this series to 7 games. that shit is laughable. the nba is a fucking joke...

[ponky]

:pctoss :pctoss :pctoss BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT!!!!! Fuck the NBA. Seriously FUCK THE GOD DAMN NBA!!! :madrun :madrun :madrun :madrun

:lmao

[dnull888]

Doubtful that anything like that is going to happen. Nash wasn't injured on the play. The worst-case scenario is that Horry committed a frustration foul, and not even the hardest one so far in the playoffs. He was heavily penalized for it. If the Suns can't deal with that and decide to attempt to injure someone just because their own players didn't follow the rules I'm pretty sure the NBA will see their team dismantled.


So, the test is whether Nash actually gets injured, not whether is looks and appears to be intentional and maliciously motivated? Stitches in game #1, knee to the nuts in game #3 and a date with the flying nun in game #4 . . . . I'm pretty sure we won't get dismantled, but I think these guys just might have the guts to follow suit at home. Some bald guy like Burke would probably take a heavy penalty as the height of recognition.

[Obstructed_View]

Yep -- the league appears inconsistent this playoff season!

Baron Davis was granted a FF2 but no suspension (because the FF2 was not called during the game but after post game review).

Jason Richardson was not suspended for his hard foul on Okur!

I seriously feel bad for Phoenix and their fans over this ruling!

I wanted to see a fair game!
I'm lost. Why would you feel bad for Phoenix when Robert Horry got an ejection plus a two game suspension for the exact same level foul that got Baron Davis no ejection and no suspsension?

[Slinkyman]

:lol at these homers saying horry should've have been suspended, who the fuck cares about that teething geriatric? get over it.

one thing that IS odd though is that all this talk about how the league absolutely must be consistent with the rules and yet, horry gets suspended and davis does not for flooring fisher and throwing an obvious elbow to the head? not sure about this one.

funny thing is, davis and GS are done while the spurs and suns are even in a great series so far. No one would give a shit if GS lost Davis as if warrior fans could point to that as to why they lost, as for phx they got fucked.

[Jimcs50]

I'm lost. Why would you feel bad for Phoenix when Robert Horry got an ejection plus a two game suspension for the exact same level foul that got Baron Davis no ejection and no suspsension?


Exactly

[Obstructed_View]

So, the test is whether Nash actually gets injured, not whether is looks and appears to be intentional and maliciously motivated? Stitches in game #1, knee to the nuts in game #3 and a date with the flying nun in game #4 . . . . I'm pretty sure we won't get dismantled, but I think these guys just might have the guts to follow suit at home. Some bald guy like Burke would probably take a heavy penalty as the height of recognition.
I call BS on you as a Spurs fan. Even the Suns aren't stupid enough to get caught up in trying to injure anyone, just Suns fans like you.

You had me going with your original question, but a Spurs fan worrying about Parker getting injured by the Suns wouldn't suddenly turn around and give me reasons why it's justified.

[Frank Brickowski]

In an ideal world Phoenix wins game five, then we take the next two. Problem solved.

[ponky]

I'm lost. Why would you feel bad for Phoenix when Robert Horry got an ejection plus a two game suspension for the exact same level foul that got Baron Davis no ejection and no suspsension?

because if the league can be inconsistent with one ruling they certainly could've been inconsistent about another ruling had they wanted to...the league never has to explain their shit, they could've been inconsistent with either ruling but apparently they chose to be inconsistent about davis' elbow and horry's elbow and consistent with amare's dangerous foot on the court

anyway, i still don't see how davis can still play but horry can't. there is no consistency in the league, despite the b.s. they try to front with the "vicinity of the bench" infractions

[Jimcs50]

In an ideal world Phoenix wins game five, then we take the next two. Problem solved.


How will we win w/o Horry in game 6?

[Obstructed_View]

because if the league can be inconsistent with one ruling they certainly could've been inconsistent about another ruling had they wanted to...the league never has to explain their shit, they could've been inconsistent with either ruling but apparently they chose to be inconsistent about davis' elbow and horry's elbow and consistent with amare's dangerous foot on the court

anyway, i still don't see how davis can still play but horry can't. there is no consistency in the league, despite the b.s. they try to front with the "vicinity of the bench" infractions
Flagrants are a judgment call. Contact to the head can even be a judgment call. Leaving the bench isn't. They ain't my rules, and the situations aren't related. You don't leave the bench. Period. It's the clearest rule in the NBA rulebook.

Tolerating someone breaking a "zero tolerance" rule makes it no longer a "zero tolerance" rule.

[Frank Brickowski]

Honestly, you think we can't win at home without Horry? At any rate I was speaking hypothetically, not stating what I think will actually happen.

[ambchang]

The rule is there, and it's no surprise that the suspensions were handed down that way.
That being said, it is a real shame that the Suns will not be at full strength by missing their 2nd best and player and an important rotational player. However, a Spurs win will not be an asterisk, the Suns players knew the rules, the Spurs players knew the rules, Stoudemire and Diaw acted outside of the rules and will be penalized for it. Suspensions, like injuries, are part of the game. Besides, we have seen time and time again where a team missing an important player can play above their heads, and the opposing team just does not have an answer to the new game plan due to lack of scouting and preparation.
The question I have is, IF the Spurs got past the Horry 2-game suspension, would Pop still play him again in the rest of the playoffs?

[Obstructed_View]

The question I have is, IF the Spurs got past the Horry 2-game suspension, would Pop still play him again in the rest of the playoffs?
It was, at worst, a stupid play that cost the Spurs the game. It also might have been an intentional foul gone way way wrong. The only way Pop keeps Horry out is if Horry suggests that he did it to hurt Nash and will keep on doing it.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The Amare suspension I can understand. He had to be restrained AFTER walking onto the court. But Diaw? Dude took a couple of steps and turned around on his own. Weak.

[Cry Havoc]

because if the league can be inconsistent with one ruling they certainly could've been inconsistent about another ruling had they wanted to...the league never has to explain their shit, they could've been inconsistent with either ruling but apparently they chose to be inconsistent about davis' elbow and horry's elbow and consistent with amare's dangerous foot on the court

anyway, i still don't see how davis can still play but horry can't. there is no consistency in the league, despite the b.s. they try to front with the "vicinity of the bench" infractions

I have to think that if Diaw and Amare don't hop on the floor, Horry's suspension is 1 game max, and maybe nothing.

[gtownspur]

BENO TIME

:cheer :cheer :cheer :cheer :cheer :cheer :cheer :cheer :cheer :cheer :danceclub :danceclub :flag: :flag: :flag: :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant

[ponky]

Flagrants are a judgment call. Contact to the head can even be a judgment call. Leaving the bench isn't. They ain't my rules, and the situations aren't related. You don't leave the bench. Period. It's the clearest rule in the NBA rulebook.

Tolerating someone breaking a "zero tolerance" rule makes it no longer a "zero tolerance" rule.

I understand the difference and I understand the precedence for the rule. I spent lots of time in law school looking for loopholes and things are not so black and white when you have wording like "in the vicinity of the bench." I didn't expect that Diaw and Amare would get off scot free given that Stern rules with a blind hand but had the league wanted to they could've interpreted the whole vicinity wording differently. It's really not that clear at all when you have a league that refuses to talk about their rationale behind all the different suspensions handed out. Look, I didn't expect anything different from the result but I'm not going to run behind a rule and call it justice like some of the idiots here today. The spirit of the law (or rule) is what has been crushed to a pulp today.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I have to think that if Diaw and Amare don't hop on the floor, Horry's suspension is 1 game max, and maybe nothing.


If it is like that, then the NBA is a bigger joke than we all thought.

[dnull888]

I call BS on you as a Spurs fan. Even the Suns aren't stupid enough to get caught up in trying to injure anyone, just Suns fans like you.

You had me going with your original question, but a Spurs fan worrying about Parker getting injured by the Suns wouldn't suddenly turn around and give me reasons why it's justified.

Pride always goeth before the fall. Hope that you're right, that the Suns are too placid to retaliate, and that we skate through unaffected. But, with them losing Amare, we may have cross the line. If they think all is lost, they might get a little more extreme than you anticipate. They might even think of it as the only way to save face.

[ATXSPUR]

Enjoy it guys...hopefully most Spurs fans don't want to win this way.

I will take any win I can get and will not be ashamed.

[diego]

i cant bother to keep reading, but this is my take:

as a fan i wish no one was suspended. nothing crazy happened. the officiating has been bad for both teams all series. rob got ejected. move on.

but rules are rules and some of you are really living in fantasy land if you think interpretation means ignoring the rule. the rule is meant to be harsh so everyone abides it. it was just exteremely stupid of them to get up, and i think the coaching staff is even more responsible for not getting to them earlier. sucks to be a suns fan right now but people were talking about this on the live telecast for a reason. it was too obvious.

I'm a fan of nash, he is a great player and as long as hes playing the suns are a threat. But if the spus lose tommorrow i can only be disappointed.

There is some consolation: even if these suspensions didnt happen, suns fans would have blamed the refs anyway. the thing is now they might have some argument. I do feel they were the ones who brought special attention to this series. if you suns fans are watching other series, you would see that most teams are playing just as if not harder than the spurs are.

we better fucking win tommorrow.
and if it goes to 7, all of this should be moot.

[Obstructed_View]

I understand the difference and I understand the precedence for the rule. I spent lots of time in law school looking for loopholes and things are not so black and white when you have wording like "in the vicinity of the bench." I didn't expect that Diaw and Amare would get off scot free given that Stern rules with a blind hand but had the league wanted to they could've interpreted the whole vicinity wording differently. It's really not that clear at all when you have a league that refuses to talk about their rationale behind all the different suspensions handed out. Look, I didn't expect anything different from the result but I'm not going to run behind a rule and call it justice like some of the idiots here today. The spirit of the law (or rule) is what has been crushed to a pulp today.
The spirit of a "zero tolerance" rule is exactly the same as the letter of a "zero tolerance" rule. I'm not sure why you are having such a tough time with it. The league office has been remarkably consistent about things like this. The amendment "in the vicinity of the bench" was added because Patrick Ewing stood up and his toes were over the line. Everybody knew he wasn't heading toward the altercation, but he was suspended nevertheless. The rule was changed over the summer so that there was some room for interpretation. Amare could not be construed as just standing up, since he was past D'Antoni and Nash almost immediately. There's no way to justify what he did by either the spirit or the letter of the law. There just isn't. You are searching for mitigating circumstances. There aren't different degrees of leaving the bench; he didn't commit justifiable bench-leaving in the second degree while under emotional duress being unable to judge right from wrong. You don't have to hear exactly what they were discussing but you need only look at history to see how they were going to react, and that's exactly how they reacted.

[Obstructed_View]

There is some consolation: even if these suspensions didnt happen, suns fans would have blamed the refs anyway.
But only if they lost. Nobody complained about the officiating last night, it was just great clutch performances by the Suns to overcome the NBA's grudge against them.

[L.I.T]

If Amare hadn't stepped over the coaches 'box' he wouldn't have been suspended.

[ATXSPUR]

But only if they lost. Nobody complained about the officiating last night, it was just great clutch performances by the Suns to overcome the NBA's grudge against them.

Exactly

[diego]

that goes without saying!

[Obstructed_View]

If Amare hadn't stepped over the coaches 'box' he wouldn't have been suspended.
If Amare hadn't burst out from behind the rest of the team and bolted in Horry's direction he might not have been suspended.

[Trifecta]

I'm lost. Why would you feel bad for Phoenix when Robert Horry got an ejection plus a two game suspension for the exact same level foul that got Baron Davis no ejection and no suspsension?

I feel bad only in the sense that should the Spurs go on to win this series, this ruling will be thrown in their face.

But -- you do make a good point in that Robert should have been granted a 1-game suspension vice 2 games.

So this could haunt the Spurs in game 6.

[Louie Vega]

I need to get me an Horry jersey now!!!

[ponky]

The spirit of a "zero tolerance" rule is exactly the same as the letter of a "zero tolerance" rule. I'm not sure why you are having such a tough time with it. The league office has been remarkably consistent about things like this. The amendment "in the vicinity of the bench" was added because Patrick Ewing stood up and his toes were over the line. Everybody knew he wasn't heading toward the altercation, but he was suspended nevertheless. The rule was changed over the summer so that there was some room for interpretation. Amare could not be construed as just standing up, since he was past D'Antoni and Nash almost immediately. There's no way to justify what he did by either the spirit or the letter of the law. There just isn't. You are searching for mitigating circumstances. There aren't different degrees of leaving the bench; he didn't commit justifiable bench-leaving in the second degree while under emotional duress being unable to judge right from wrong. You don't have to hear exactly what they were discussing but you need only look at history to see how they were going to react, and that's exactly how they reacted.


This is certainly incorrect. I already stated that I understood the precedence so please stop repeating yourself with so many words. There really is no point in arguing with someone who is hellbent on a literalist interpretation, same reason I don't argue with people who take the second amendment literally and outside of the context for which it was written. When you say there is room for interpretation and then proceed to shut the door for any possibility of interpretation in this instance, nevermind that the league has never specifically defined what "vicinity of the bench" entails, you are contradicting yourself. I'm going to go watch the rest of the games tonight, good luck tomorrow Suns.