Enough Is Enough

[tmtcsc]

Robert Horry got suspended for 2 games for his HARD (not cheap, not dirty) foul on Steve Nash. He received a flagrant 2 and was ejected from the game.

Bruce Bowen cleared some room with his leg when Nash was all over him. He was called for a foul and later told Nash it was NOT intentional.

Bruce Bowen's weird clip of Amare's foot was reviewed by the league. While it looked strange, no one was hurt and it was not dirty.

Manu Ginobili went up for a fucking layup and Amare Stoudamire was in the way. He got kneed in the nuts. BFD, it wasn't a foul on Manu and it wasn't dirty.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !! Spurs fans, (and you know who you are) if Robert Horry's late game foul was such a traumatic shot to the image of your team and you feel embarassed then just go the fuck away. In fact, go root for the Suns. Do away with your shirts, flags, hats etc. Delete your Spurs desktop images and so forth.

I'm so sick of hearing about this bullshit. Once and for all, the Spurs don't control the league office. This is our team and we have Nothing to be embarassed about. Every player in the league knows the rules about leaving the bench. I have no apologies for anyone. I thought Nash played the foul up along with taking the shot.

If it makes you feel any better, the Spurs were picked by alot of people to win it all. So if, we are fortunate to get another Championship, I won't be shedding a tear about Phoenix's bad breaks or placing an asterisk by the 2007 trophy. I got no sympathy for the Suns.

We were victims of this mess too. I don't think anyone should have been suspended but I'm not going to cry like a little girl and I'm certainly not going to call a radio station or post an e-mail message on a Suns board making some whiny "I feel your pain" and "I'm ashamed" thread.

Fuck that. GO SPURS !!

[MisterWhodat]

Hear Hear!!!
I couldn't have said it better!
Diaw and Stoudamire, along with every other player at the game knew the rule...
This is kind of cool I think, after all the years of hearing how soft the Spurs are, how did that shoulder feel Steve? Not to soft huh?

And all this "league biased towards the Spurs" is crap, there is no way the league, if they had a choice would put the Spurs in the finals over the Suns, so shut up with all that.

[Phenomanul]

like whottt said.... people's high horses of late are only Shetlands.

No matter how the Spurs managed to win their games... The Suns would have managed to find ways of complaining about it.

[Jimcs50]

I like being the Oakland Raiders.

I am willing to bet that Spurs' NBA garb sales will increase 100% because of our bad boy reputation.

I think resurrecting The Bruise Brothers is in order.

[Kevin Blackistone]

I'm going to have to start watching basketball the way all the mindless idiots watch Nascar - just looking for crashes and fuck ups.

[fyatuk]

Robert Horry got suspended for 2 games for his HARD (not cheap, not dirty) foul on Steve Nash. He received a flagrant 2 and was ejected from the game.


Just a note, Horry was suspended 1 game for his foul on Nash (which was rightfully called flagrant since it was unnecessarily hard, and he did lean into the hit). He was also suspended one game for sticking his forearm in Raja Bell's jaw.

[Jimcs50]

Just a note, Horry was suspended 1 game for his foul on Nash (which was rightfully called flagrant since it was unnecessarily hard, and he did lean into the hit). He was also suspended one game for sticking his forearm in Raja Bell's jaw.

Bullshit, Bell pushed his fist into Horry's face first. Bell needed to be suspended too.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Actually I bet the league is loving it. Horry's hip check Monday night probably bumped this game up 2-3 points in the ratings.

[SAGambler]

Hear Hear!!!
I couldn't have said it better!
Diaw and Stoudamire, along with every other player at the game knew the rule...
This is kind of cool I think, after all the years of hearing how soft the Spurs are, how did that shoulder feel Steve? Not to soft huh?

And all this "league biased towards the Spurs" is crap, there is no way the league, if they had a choice would put the Spurs in the finals over the Suns, so shut up with all that.

Are you sure Amare knew the rule? I'm quit positive it has been explained to him in the past, but somehow he just doesn't look like the brightest bulb in the package, so it may have slipped his mind.

Then to sit there and lie his ass off....."I was uh, just getting up to go check in for the last 18 seconds". Weak shit!

[reddog 99]

Finally someone with some sanity.

There are three guys that brought this on. And none of them play for the Spurs or Suns.

Horry's shot to Nash was the culmination of what was a HORIFFIC job by Javie and his crew.

The last straw was a blatant clear out over the back push on Horry by Phoenix after the Manu layup MISS that landed him on his face. Again no call. Big Shot knew at this point that there would be no justice. Yea he took it upon himself to send a message. Maybe right maybe wrong. But only his teammates should judge him.

I myself agree with Tim. It's the PLAYOFFS!

"Are you willing to FIGHT for what is YOURS!"

Its time to circle the wagons Spurs fans. Are you in or are you out.....


:stfu ALL WHINERS

[to21]

Rack this dude!!

This is EXACTLY how I feel!!

Tell em' eh!!

:flag:

[L.I.T]

This whole mess was created by the NBA. By overreacting to the play of teams like the Knicks and Heat they effectively castrated play in the NBA. So instead, we have these pussy teams running around getting their panties in a bunch everytime someone lays a hit on them. And please, like that was even that hard of a hit. I would love to see Oakley foul someone in the modern NBA. He hits the milkman harder than that.

[tmtcsc]

I would have been perfectly happy if the league decided to suspend Bell and Horry one game each OR fined Horry, Diaw and Amare and Bell and suspended no one.

[tmtcsc]

Rack this dude!!

This is EXACTLY how I feel!!

Tell em' eh!!

:flag:

I know huh ?
--- I got your George Lopez reference. :spin

[Hook Dem]

I like being the Oakland Raiders.

I am willing to bet that Spurs' NBA garb sales will increase 100% because of our bad boy reputation.

I think resurrecting The Bruise Brothers is in order.
Ah yes..........the Bruise Brothers! Good call.......for those old enough to remember. :music

[VaSpursFan]

Finally someone with some sanity.

There are three guys that brought this on. And none of them play for the Spurs or Suns.

Horry's shot to Nash was the culmination of what was a HORIFFIC job by Javie and his crew.

The last straw was a blatant clear out over the back push on Horry by Phoenix after the Manu layup MISS that landed him on his face. Again no call. Big Shot knew at this point that there would be no justice. Yea he took it upon himself to send a message. Maybe right maybe wrong. But only his teammates should judge him.

I myself agree with Tim. It's the PLAYOFFS!

"Are you willing to FIGHT for what is YOURS!"

Its time to circle the wagons Spurs fans. Are you in or are you out.....


:stfu ALL WHINERS


I totally agree!!!! Rob went wild west and got him some vigalante justice and fucked the League in the process. I can see stern shitting a brick when dumb and dumber left the bench. Rob just destroyed the plan which is also why he was suspended 2 games. :toast to horry for standing up to the league and shitty officiating.

the league wants this series to go 7. i hope the spurs man up and end it in 6...but they are going to play 5 against 8 in game 6.

[Soul_Patch]

I agree whole heartedly with the OP and i am quite sick of all the pitty party bullshit that spurs fans are trying to throw.


The OP reflects my sentiments about the entire ordeal exactly.

The spurs are not at fault here, they cannot controll the fucking nba office.

[Jimcs50]

Ah yes..........the Bruise Brothers! Good call.......for those old enough to remember. :music


Oberding, Griffin, Corzine, Restani and Green where are you when we need you?

[LilMissSPURfect]

I agree with pop in saying IT WAS A FOUL ...(not taking into account all the other drama)just the play in question.


I BACK THE MEN IN BLACK!

KICK THEIR ASSES SPURS.....

[to21]

I know huh ?
--- I got your George Lopez reference. :spin

:lol

I knew you would.

[Jimcs50]

I agree with pop in saying IT WAS A FOUL ...(not taking into account all the other drama)just the play in question.


I BACK THE MEN IN BLACK!

KICK THEIR ASSES SPURS.....

About time they lived up to their team colors....

[CosmicCowboy]

Exactly.

All the apologist Sun hugger threads from alleged Spurs fans have been disgusting. That team still has buttloads of talent and isn't about to roll over and die tonight. Spurs need to come out with intensity in game 5 and go to the rack down Kurt Thomas's throat every play and put another Suns big on the bench with foul trouble. This is the game for Ginobili to finally make an impact in these playoffs even if it's getting in foul trouble attacking the basket. Basketball is all about exploiting the other teams weakness, not apologizing for your strengths. That earlier thread suggesting that the Spurs sit Duncan tonight to prove that they are "classy" made me want to projectile hurl. Sack up Spurs fans. This is playoff basketball.

[fyatuk]

Bullshit, Bell pushed his fist into Horry's face first. Bell needed to be suspended too.

That doesn't make the fact that Horry was suspended one game for his actions on Bell bullshit.

I didn't see what Bell did, never caught a replay of it. So can't say anything about that. But Horry did in fact earn both games he was suspended. One for an obvious flagrant foul that was pretty dangerous to the other player, and one for effectively hitting someone above the shoulders.

If Bell hit Horry above the shoulders, that's an automatic suspension, so it would seem that no one saw it and no camera caught it if that's the case.

[Flea]

THANK YOU!!!

I was so tired of all those other threads! Stuff happens in the playoffs. It's not like we have never experienced some type of crap before. Every road to the championship has had some luck involved. Whether it was bad luck or good luck there is some luck involved. I understand all the complaining and whining coming from the Suns but I am really surprised at all the negative posts coming from the Spurs fans.

[Slippy]

So far this series the suns have shown when it comes to hard fouls - they don't like them. In the the event of a hard foul or non-call their coach has chucked mental fits. Stoudemire even after a 20 point win still found a way to cry. TheY have dished it out and talked it up, yet have played the victim card after every game. Spurs fans see and read enought of it , i guess a few soon start to beleive in it.

I'ts an unfortunate situation but not the Spurs fault. When your team has the lead, recieves a hard foul , the last thing you do is lose your cool. We've seen it too often with Manu. You just get up and play to win. The two suns players who got suspended for reacting stupidly stems from the attitude some of their players and coach have displayed through-out this series. Their victim mentality finally got the better of them.

[angel_luv]

like whottt said.... people's high horses of late are only Shetlands.

:lol

I am going to remember that one. :)

[ATXSPUR]

Thank you!!! Let whiners whine and winners win! I dont give a damn about what the media or annybody else says. Boo Hoo the Spurs are dirty!!!! Who gives a fuck. Just win Spurs.

and even if we do lose....it will be so much fun to see the Whining Suns have to Play Detroit in the Palace!!!

[BlackFlagg]

Brilliant post, OP. The Spurs were getting beat on all night. It doesn't justify Horry, but it sure goes a long way to explain his frustration.

Maybe the Suns fans should stop the fucking crying already. If this had happened to the Spurs and the Spurs fans objected, we'd be called the biggest whiners in the league. (Oh wait.. we already are. :lol)

Get over it already and quit making excuses for Stoudemire and Diaw.

[Momma_monkey]

:madrun Bring it on now no one can say the SPURS are weak. This is a battle for the Ring the aches and pains of the battlefield are all apparent. I can't wiat for tonight! Go Spurs Go!

[phoenixnative]

I like being the Oakland Raiders.

I am willing to bet that Spurs' NBA garb sales will increase 100% because of our bad boy reputation.

I think resurrecting The Bruise Brothers is in order.

You're a moron. Your pathetic team is nothing like the fucking Raiders. You're guys are cheap-shot artists, not bad boys. Raja, he's a bad boy. Amare, he's a bad boy. You're team is chalked full of pussies. You see how Horry walked away as soon as he did that, as to not stay around and deal with any of the many Suns who could stomp his ass into the ground? Bowen is a fucking troll, who pulls this shit all of the time, trying to hurt people, make them land funny; Ginoseli, is a little flopping coward. And Tony Parker? Nash was bleeding all over the place, wondering if your French flopper was OK. How do you find the stones to root for a team like that? They are Le Douche.

[Crookshanks]

How do you find the stones to root for a team like that?
Cuz they're the best and classiest team in the league - oh, and they've won 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS!

[violentkitten]

You're a moron. Your pathetic team is nothing like the fucking Raiders. You're guys are cheap-shot artists, not bad boys. Raja, he's a bad boy. Amare, he's a bad boy. You're team is chalked full of pussies. You see how Horry walked away as soon as he did that, as to not stay around and deal with any of the many Suns who could stomp his ass into the ground? Bowen is a fucking troll, who pulls this shit all of the time, trying to hurt people, make them land funny; Ginoseli, is a little flopping coward. And Tony Parker? Nash was bleeding all over the place, wondering if your French flopper was OK. How do you find the stones to root for a team like that? They are Le Douche.

so now it's the spurs are "dirty" but the suns are 'dirtier'? make up your fucking drama queen minds.

[phoenixnative]

Cuz they're the best and classiest team in the league - oh, and they've won 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS!

Classy, there's no class in cheap shots. And best? With or without cheap shots. They're boring little cowards and every other fan in the NBA is rooting against your douchebag team.

[violentkitten]

the spurs were dirty in the 70s and early 80s. soft in the 90s. now dirty again. all i know is i see 3 banners hanging in the at&t center that i dont see in phoenix or dallas. keep crying. :baby

[phoenixnative]

so now it's the spurs are "dirty" but the suns are 'dirtier'? make up your fucking drama queen minds.
You quoted me, but I said nothing about being dirtier, you fucking moron. I said your team is a bunch of pussies, not bad boys. You fuckers in Texas are dumb.

[GrandeDavid]

You quoted me, but I said nothing about being dirtier, you fucking moron. I said your team is a bunch of pussies, not bad boys. You fuckers in Texas are dumb.

Somebody please squash these little Suns troll pests.

Sadly, the only repellant will be tonight's and Game 6's ass kicking of the Suns.

Then worthless specs of dirt like this nobody will disappear. I've gotta admit, these little credents are kind of amusing. Well, painfully amusing to see how many rotten, uneducated pricks we have in our country. As long as scumsucking pigs like this a-hole is confined to his trailer park, perhaps the overall damage to society can be minimized. My question, though, is how do these trolling pieces of filth actually type? I mean, based on this guy's arguments and language usage, its obvious we're talking to a high school dropout or worse.

Anyway, rah rah Suns! Please keep those fans and keep dreaming of that first championship which you won't be earning any time soon.

[violentkitten]

You quoted me, but I said nothing about being dirtier, you fucking moron. I said your team is a bunch of pussies, not bad boys. You fuckers in Texas are dumb.

apparently not as stupid as the fucks in arizona.

[GrandeDavid]

apparently not as stupid as the fucks in arizona.

Read my comment above. And please fix your settings to ignore this tragic case of self abuse called a Suns fan.

[violentkitten]

looks like we have a genuine caucasian suburbanite arizona gangbanger in our midst.

what's next? 'don't make me loosen my tie and type hard on my laptop'?

[spurster]

Enough is enough.

You obviously haven't been around here long. This is fodder for at least a season or two.

[phoenixnative]

Somebody please squash these little Suns troll pests.

Sadly, the only repellant will be tonight's and Game 6's ass kicking of the Suns.

Then worthless specs of dirt like this nobody will disappear. I've gotta admit, these little credents are kind of amusing. Well, painfully amusing to see how many rotten, uneducated pricks we have in our country. As long as scumsucking pigs like this a-hole is confined to his trailer park, perhaps the overall damage to society can be minimized. My question, though, is how do these trolling pieces of filth actually type? I mean, based on this guy's arguments and language usage, its obvious we're talking to a high school dropout or worse.

Anyway, rah rah Suns! Please keep those fans and keep dreaming of that first championship which you won't be earning any time soon.


That's actually funny. I like your verbage and use of language. I like how you start sentences with adverbs and the way you use words like "gotta," that aren't even in the English language. You're the filthy, trailer dwelling, redneck Texas-trash that I hate in this country. You rednecks are barely an evolutionary step above cavemen. Go get some RC Cola and a Moonpie for the game tonight, douchebag.

[BlackFlagg]

looks like we have a genuine caucasian suburbanite arizona gangbanger in our midst.

what's next? 'don't make me loosen my tie and type hard on my laptop'?


:lmao

"For.. um... shizzle... ?... Yes, I said it! Do not force me to pop.. uh.. bust.. a capsule on your arse."

[phoenixnative]

looks like we have a genuine caucasian suburbanite arizona gangbanger in our midst.

what's next? 'don't make me loosen my tie and type hard on my laptop'?

And a handful of good 'ol Texas trash. You are inbred guttersnipe.

[BlackFlagg]

That's actually funny. I like your verbage and use of language. I like how you start sentences with adverbs and the way you use words like "gotta," that aren't even in the English language. You're the filthy, trailer dwelling, redneck Texas-trash that I hate in this country. You rednecks are barely an evolutionary step above cavemen. Go get some RC Cola and a Moonpie for the game tonight, douchebag.

I do believe it is the vernacular with which the gentleman is taking issue. I also believe the correct word is "verbiage," bUt ... WuT Doo eyE no ... oH NO i Am ChOKin oN A cHiKiN LeG!!! caWl 9-1-1!! tELL eM its tH LaSt trAIloR On TH LeFT!!

[violentkitten]

That's actually funny. I like your verbage and use of language. I like how you start sentences with adverbs and the way you use words like "gotta," that aren't even in the English language. You're the filthy, trailer dwelling, redneck Texas-trash that I hate in this country. You rednecks are barely an evolutionary step above cavemen. Go get some RC Cola and a Moonpie for the game tonight, douchebag.

i was going to go with a dry manhattan and an avo but now that you mention it...

[ThomasGranger]

And a handful of good 'ol Texas trash. You are inbred guttersnipe.

Actually, it's "good ol' Texas trash."

[leemajors]

That's actually funny. I like your verbage and use of language. I like how you start sentences with adverbs and the way you use words like "gotta," that aren't even in the English language. You're the filthy, trailer dwelling, redneck Texas-trash that I hate in this country. You rednecks are barely an evolutionary step above cavemen. Go get some RC Cola and a Moonpie for the game tonight, douchebag.

i'm pretty sure he's a brazilian native who lives part time in the US, but whatever floats your boat.

[Obstructed_View]

What's funny is that the Spurs are considered "dirty" before they had committed a single flagrant foul in the series and the Suns couldn't stop whining about it, complete with politicking the league to upgrade contact that Steve Nash initiated to a flagrant foul just because it was Bruce Bowen. All the while apparently nobody has watched the parade of cheapshots coming from the Warriors in the other series. Why, you may ask? Probably because nobody from the Jazz team has breathed a word about it.

Some people whine whenever there's a microphone in their face and ask for help in order to have a chance, others just suck it up and go to work. It's the difference between men and boys.

By the way, does anyone have a link to someplace that tracks flagrant fouls by team? I'd be interested in seeing how many the "dirty" Spurs have committed this year.

[donc2000]

remember u r promoting hard, physical play when Spurs play next round against Utah and then Detroit .... dont dare complain when Parker / Ginobli / Duncan get manhandled by Williams, Chauncey, Rasheed & Co. Basketball is a game of skill and should be played that way .....

[BlackFlagg]

does anyone have a link to someplace that tracks flagrant fouls by team? I'd be interested in seeing how many the "dirty" Spurs have committed this year.

Forget it. They'll just whine that they weren't called.

[vander]

You're a moron. Your pathetic team is nothing like the fucking Raiders. You're guys are cheap-shot artists, not bad boys. Raja, he's a bad boy. Amare, he's a bad boy. You're team is chalked full of pussies. You see how Horry walked away as soon as he did that, as to not stay around and deal with any of the many Suns who could stomp his ass into the ground? Bowen is a fucking troll, who pulls this shit all of the time, trying to hurt people, make them land funny; Ginoseli, is a little flopping coward. And Tony Parker? Nash was bleeding all over the place, wondering if your French flopper was OK. How do you find the stones to root for a team like that? They are Le Douche.


So we are the dirty, cheap, thugs, and pussies. But after the nash flop, you wanted horry to get pounded into the ground? That's not basketball, and frankly, none of the suns success can be attributed to basketball, its all from extreme flopping and whining to the refs.

I don't know if you watched game 4 or not, but I have never seen a team get more cheap, pussy calls as the suns did, it was painfully obvious that the refs were responding favorably to all the suns complaining. and the suns took advantage, falling down as much as possible, and lurching at the hoop for calls.
meanwhile the spurs continued to play actual basketball, at least until the 12-1 run, even Horry's foul at the end was just a hard BASKETBALL foul, he got in nash's way, and stood strong, and nash went down like he'd been hit by an airplane, it topped anything I've seen from Ginobili or Divac or anyone. and that was a microcosm of suns basketball, they can't man up, so they go down hard, make a big fuss, put on a big show.

no, suns fan, it is the suns who are the pussies, the spurs are just playing playoff basketball. and if you happen to get past the Spurs, it is only going to get worse for you, Utah and Detroit are just as physical, if not more.

[beirmeistr]

I do believe it is the vernacular with which the gentleman is taking issue. I also believe the correct word is "verbiage," bUt ... WuT Doo eyE no ... oH NO i Am ChOKin oN A cHiKiN LeG!!! caWl 9-1-1!! tELL eM its tH LaSt trAIloR On TH LeFT!!
Hilarious!

[RonMexico]

Robert Horry got suspended for 2 games for his HARD (not cheap, not dirty) foul on Steve Nash. He received a flagrant 2 and was ejected from the game.

Bruce Bowen cleared some room with his leg when Nash was all over him. He was called for a foul and later told Nash it was NOT intentional.

Bruce Bowen's weird clip of Amare's foot was reviewed by the league. While it looked strange, no one was hurt and it was not dirty.

Manu Ginobili went up for a fucking layup and Amare Stoudamire was in the way. He got kneed in the nuts. BFD, it wasn't a foul on Manu and it wasn't dirty.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !! Spurs fans, (and you know who you are) if Robert Horry's late game foul was such a traumatic shot to the image of your team and you feel embarassed then just go the fuck away. In fact, go root for the Suns. Do away with your shirts, flags, hats etc. Delete your Spurs desktop images and so forth.

I'm so sick of hearing about this bullshit. Once and for all, the Spurs don't control the league office. This is our team and we have Nothing to be embarassed about. Every player in the league knows the rules about leaving the bench. I have no apologies for anyone. I thought Nash played the foul up along with taking the shot.

If it makes you feel any better, the Spurs were picked by alot of people to win it all. So if, we are fortunate to get another Championship, I won't be shedding a tear about Phoenix's bad breaks or placing an asterisk by the 2007 trophy. I got no sympathy for the Suns.

We were victims of this mess too. I don't think anyone should have been suspended but I'm not going to cry like a little girl and I'm certainly not going to call a radio station or post an e-mail message on a Suns board making some whiny "I feel your pain" and "I'm ashamed" thread.

Fuck that. GO SPURS !!

I'd be afraid to drive the lane if I'm Tony Parker and Pat Burke is in there. You just might see what a hard foul looks like (better not call it "dirty" buddy!)

[violentkitten]

burke will administer a hard foul to the space that tp just left.

[Obstructed_View]

Formula:

1. Tell the media that the opposing team is dirty to get more calls, regardless of whether there's any evidence of that. This is the first step in creating all the evidence you'll ever need.

2. Complain when the refs call fouls on you, or when they don't call enough on the other team.

i. Continue to push your advantage, no matter how much it grows

3. Throw your hands up in a demonstrative way at every whistle or perceived non-call, making a "see-I-told-you-this-would-happen" face for the cameras.

4. When there is any bleeding at any point in any game, point to that as evidence of your original premise, even if the contact was initiated by your own player. Make sure to point out that it was the only reason you lost the game, even if they allow your player on the floor to score five points while blood pours from his face.

5. When any body contact takes place that can be construed to be inappropriate, even when initiated by your own player, make sure the player knows to fall to the floor and roll into a fetal position, stand up and make the "I-told-you" face. Send a tape to the league and begin the media campaign to have that player suspended. It helps to complain publicly about all contact prior to this so that you can site your own previous allegations as evidence. Nobody will notice.

6. If, praise Jesus, a hard foul actually take place, make sure to have your entire team, coaches and players, suddenly react as if it was completely unexpected, and be sure to attack said player like soccer fans. If your players are disciplined by the league, refer to the "He started it" defense.

7. Make sure to inflame your fanbase as much as possible. Bomb threats, thrown objects, arson and food poisoning can be used in your favor with no legal repercussions.

i. If possible, set up interviews with your players where they take the high road and proclaim bewilderment at how this situation could have arisen. This plays up the martyr angle and really lathers up the fan base.

8. If it looks like you are going to lose, make sure to take someone out. It's perfectly justified. You've got a laundry list of previous accusations. That's evidence, baby!

9. If nothing else, you now have an excuse to lose and the whole world will hate your opponent as they advance as far as they can. If anyone still interviews you, blame the war in Iraq.

[T Park]

Pat Burke?

The dude who makes Jack Haley look like an all world player?

Frightening....

[tmtcsc]

Flop that !!! And stay the fuck down !



http://www.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0514/nba_dime_395.jpg

[T Park]

9. If nothing else, you now have an excuse to lose and the whole world will hate your opponent as they advance as far as they can. If anyone still interviews you, blame the war in Iraq.

:lol

or the President

[tmtcsc]

remember u r promoting hard, physical play when Spurs play next round against Utah and then Detroit .... dont dare complain when Parker / Ginobli / Duncan get manhandled by Williams, Chauncey, Rasheed & Co. Basketball is a game of skill and should be played that way .....

Are you forgetting Denver ? That was a physical series. No one complained then either. The Suns need to adjust and deal with it, not us.

[Obstructed_View]

I'd be afraid to drive the lane if I'm Tony Parker and Pat Burke is in there. You just might see what a hard foul looks like (better not call it "dirty" buddy!)
You'd be afraid to drive the lane because you are a sniveling pussy. How many Jazz players have spent this much time crying over a flagrant foul? They've received about three times as many in two games.

[RonMexico]

Pat Burke?

The dude who makes Jack Haley look like an all world player?

Frightening....

Nash is his boy and he was pretty upset to see Horry take him down like that. Don't underestimate the value of an angry Irish-born player getting his first time in this series.

[violentkitten]

'all darkies and irishmen are violent.' just go.

[Obstructed_View]

Nash is his boy and he was pretty upset to see Horry take him down like that. Don't underestimate the value of an angry Irish-born player getting his first time in this series.
Awwww. Snuggles wantsum wevenge. How Shweeeet.

[tmtcsc]

The suns made more FT's than the Spurs attempted and they keep bitching about what's fair. What a joke.

[RonMexico]

The suns made more FT's than the Spurs attempted and they keep bitching about what's fair. What a joke.

In one game... Spurs made more than Suns attempted in Game 3... does that even it out?

[RonMexico]

You'd be afraid to drive the lane because you are a sniveling pussy. How many Jazz players have spent this much time crying over a flagrant foul? They've received about three times as many in two games.

Jazz don't ever stop being physical or delivering hard fouls anyways. I think the Jazz would be angrier if AK and Boozer were suspended while the series was tied.

[RonMexico]

'all darkies and irishmen are violent.' just go.

that's what I said? I mentioned "Darkies"?

The Irish don't have a reputation for getting drunk and fighting? That's news to me.

I guess all those people who call the Spurs "dirty" are just stereotyping.

Burke is the only Irish-born player in the NBA. And he has a mean streak.

[ChumpDumper]

In one game... Spurs made more than Suns attempted in Game 3... does that even it out?Are FTA supposed to always even out?

[violentkitten]

that's what I said? I mentioned "Darkies"?

The Irish don't have a reputation for getting drunk and fighting.

Burke is the only Irish-born player in the NBA. And he has a mean streak.


not surprising that was lost on you.

[timvp]

burke will administer a hard foul to the space that tp just left.

:rollin

[T Park]

Nash is his boy and he was pretty upset to see Horry take him down like that. Don't underestimate the value of an angry Irish-born player getting his first time in this series.

Did he put a bandage on his nose, and write 13 on his shoes in memory?

[Obstructed_View]

Jazz don't ever stop being physical or delivering hard fouls anyways. I think the Jazz would be angrier if AK and Boozer were suspended while the series was tied.
The Jazz aren't the ones delivering hard fouls, they are getting way more than the Suns have seen all year and they aren't screeching like teenage girls about it.

[RonMexico]

Are FTA supposed to always even out?

No, they aren't... it depends on the factors of the game: How aggressive one team is, who is officiating, changes in the offense/defense, substitutions, etc.

That's why I don't get what your boy was trying to say by claiming the Suns made more FT in Game 4 than the Spurs attempted. Does this mean that obviously the Suns are getting preferential treatment? It was ok that the Spurs made more than the Suns attempted in Game 3 because the Spurs received that benefit, I guess.

I was just calling him out for using a selective statistic and somehow relating it to the suspensions.

[Obstructed_View]

Did he put a bandage on his nose, and write 13 on his shoes in memory?
Nash is dead? Wow. Okay, Now I understand why the Suns want revenge. If only the Spurs knew what it was like to have their second leading scorer taken out of the series on a hard foul like that, they'd know why they have to get revenge and try to injure someone back.

NASH RIP. YOU WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN.

[RonMexico]

The Jazz aren't the ones delivering hard fouls, they are getting way more than the Suns have seen all year and they aren't screeching like teenage girls about it.

Are you kidding? They deliver subtle, yet hard fouls all game. Just because they aren't cheap or dirty, doesn't mean they are hard.

And Suns/their fans are going to be more on edge because they feel slighted by these suspensions... that's just the nature of where the series has progressed.

Spurs fans in general did not stop btiching about the officiating in Game 4 on this board, but that doesn't make them whiners?

[T Park]

:lol @ OV

[Obstructed_View]

I was just calling him out for using a selective statistic and somehow relating it to the suspensions.
The only thing related to the suspensions is the fact that Diaw and Stoudamire should have known the rules and the coaches should have been smart enough to do their job and keep their players back. Of course you'd rather blame the Spurs or the league office for the failures of the Suns organization.

[RonMexico]

Did he put a bandage on his nose, and write 13 on his shoes in memory?

Spurs fans put bandages under their eyes for Ginobili

They already mocked the Suns in Game 4... your attempt failed...again.

[Obstructed_View]

Are you kidding? They deliver subtle, yet hard fouls all game. Just because they aren't cheap or dirty, doesn't mean they are hard.


Wait a second. A Suns fan is making a distinction between a hard foul and a cheap foul? Oh, I get it. A hard foul is a hard foul that's delivered on a team other than the Suns. A cheap or dirty foul is any foul that's committed on the Suns.

Perfect logic.

[T Park]

Your attempts at being an intelligent person in this debate have failed as well.

So congrats.

[Obstructed_View]

Spurs fans put bandages under their eyes for Ginobili

They already mocked the Suns in Game 4... your attempt failed...again.
That's because Ginobili was actually injured by someone on the other team. If Manu had poked himself in the eye committing a foul on someone else I don't think it would be nearly as interesting.

[T Park]

Wait a second. A Suns fan is making a distinction between a hard foul and a cheap foul? Oh, I get it. A hard foul is a hard foul that's delivered on a team other than the Suns. A cheap or dirty foul is any foul that's committed on the Suns.

Perfect logic


More intelligence from the land of cactus and Circle K

[T Park]

That's because Ginobili was actually injured by someone on the other team

God you unobjective blind homer.

HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!!

[RonMexico]

The only thing related to the suspensions is the fact that Diaw and Stoudamire should have known the rules and the coaches should have been smart enough to do their job and keep their players back. Of course you'd rather blame the Spurs or the league office for the failures of the Suns organization.

I thought this thread was about the suspensions... I guess I was wrong. The thread starter then brings up that the Suns made more FTs than Spurs attempted in Game 4 and I wanted to make sure that he acknowledged the Spurs received the same benefit in Game 3.

I also wondered why he felt the need to bring up that stat.

I'm not blaming anyone but the players, and I'm more disappointed at the specifics of that rule than anything else. Is it fair? No. But it is correct, and that other guy was bring up that FT disparity to show how "fair" it was for the Spurs in Game 4. Again, you're attacking me for making that guy recognize what happened in Game 3.

[RonMexico]

That's because Ginobili was actually injured by someone on the other team. If Manu had poked himself in the eye committing a foul on someone else I don't think it would be nearly as interesting.

That was equal Nash and Parker. Nash leaned in to try and steal... Parker ducked head and they collided.

[LEONARD]

Robert Horry got suspended for 2 games for his HARD (not cheap, not dirty) foul on Steve Nash. He received a flagrant 2 and was ejected from the game.

You forgot about the elbow thrown at Bell's face... :dizzy


Bullshit, Bell pushed his fist into Horry's face first. Bell needed to be suspended too.

:lol

[RonMexico]

Wait a second. A Suns fan is making a distinction between a hard foul and a cheap foul? Oh, I get it. A hard foul is a hard foul that's delivered on a team other than the Suns. A cheap or dirty foul is any foul that's committed on the Suns.

Perfect logic.

There are distinctions. J-Rich's foul in Game 4 - cheap. Barnes' flagrant at end of Game 6 vs. Mavs - cheap. Barnes pulling Boozer at the end of the 3rd quarter - cheap and ruled a tech.

Horry's foul - cheap.

Barbosa's foul on Parker late in the game - hard.

When Amare pulled Duncan's arm down and TD fell - hard.

When Parker got called for the foul on Barbosa - cheap whistle by Javie

When Horry pulled down Amare in Game 3 trying to draw his 3rd - cheap attempt to fool the refs

When Raja threw a hard shot at Oberto on the screen - cheap.

When Amare and Duncan became entangled and Amare got whistled for his 3rd - weak.

[violentkitten]

when bell jumped into duncan for #5 - cheap

[RonMexico]

when bell jumped into duncan for #5 - cheap

Tim was moving and he didn't jump - he simply flopped.

[violentkitten]

maybe one foot wasn't set. cheap call late in the game.

[cornbread]

You're guys are cheap-shot artists, not bad boys. Raja, he's a bad boy. Amare, he's a bad boy.
:lmao Why? Because he has tatoos and a big ego? I never knew a "bad boy" who was also a tattle-tale. Don't confuse dumb with bad.

[T Park]

thank god Suns fan has come here to set us right...

Where would we be without the holier than thou fuckhead Suns fans.

[monosylab1k]

maybe one foot wasn't set. cheap call late in the game.

i thought rules were rules

[RonMexico]

i thought rules were rules

Stop being a "holier than thou" Mavs fan!

[T Park]

Wow, Suns fan has sunk to joining Maverick fan.


Congrats assclowns.

[monosylab1k]

Stop being a "holier than thou" Mavs fan!

lol yeah really, if I don't want to agree 100% with everything Spurs fans say and if I am gonna point out obvious contradictions by Spurs fans then I should just get the FUCK out of here!

[fyatuk]

i thought rules were rules

The rules don't actually require the feet to be set, only for the defender to have established his position in front of the offensive player. The feet are commonly considered a marker to whether the defender has established position, but that isn't necessarily the case.

The rule as written is basically that if the offensive player tries to go through the defender, it is an offensive foul. If the defender pops up suddenly without giving the offensive player the capability to stop or change direction, then it is a defensive foul.

It's really one of the worst officiated rules there is.

The other being a the whole block called in the no-charge zone. According to the rules, it is not an automatic blocking foul in the restricted area, it just cannot be ruled as a charge if a secondary defender establish position in the restricted area against anyone other than a player who received the ball in the general vicinity of the basket. It is however always called a block, which shows that the NBA does not follow its own rules.

[monosylab1k]

The rules don't actually require the feet to be set, only for the defender to have established his position in front of the offensive player. The feet are commonly considered a marker to whether the defender has established position, but that isn't necessarily the case.

The rule as written is basically that if the offensive player tries to go through the defender, it is an offensive foul. If the defender pops up suddenly without giving the offensive player the capability to stop or change direction, then it is a defensive foul.

It's really one of the worst officiated rules there is.

The other being a the whole block called in the no-charge zone. According to the rules, it is not an automatic blocking foul in the restricted area, it just cannot be ruled as a charge if a secondary defender establish position in the restricted area against anyone other than a player who received the ball in the general vicinity of the basket. It is however always called a block, which shows that the NBA does not follow its own rules.

i thought #5 on Tim was for a moving screen?

[hater]

:lmao Why? Because he has tatoos and a big ego? I never knew a "bad boy" who was also a tattle-tale. Don't confuse dumb with bad.

Amare is a bad boy when he gets spanked by Bell late nights

[fyatuk]

i thought #5 on Tim was for a moving screen?

I could just be blanking on that.

Or maybe I lost track of the conversation and used it as an opportunity to go off on a rant about the officials continuously screwing up block/charge calls and showing even they don't really understand those rules ;)

[monosylab1k]

I could just be blanking on that.

Or maybe I lost track of the conversation and used it as an opportunity to go off on a rant about the officials continuously screwing up block/charge calls and showing even they don't really understand those rules ;)

but yeah you're right about the blocking/charging calls - i'm convinced that, unless they're blatantly in the restricted area, the refs just make sure half the calls go one way and half the calls go the other.

[leemajors]

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[tmtcsc]

I thought this thread was about the suspensions... I guess I was wrong. The thread starter then brings up that the Suns made more FTs than Spurs attempted in Game 4 and I wanted to make sure that he acknowledged the Spurs received the same benefit in Game 3.

I also wondered why he felt the need to bring up that stat.

I'm not blaming anyone but the players, and I'm more disappointed at the specifics of that rule than anything else. Is it fair? No. But it is correct, and that other guy was bring up that FT disparity to show how "fair" it was for the Spurs in Game 4. Again, you're attacking me for making that guy recognize what happened in Game 3.


I bring up the FT's because I have heard nothing but complaining from Suns fans on how the Suns are getting jobbed and unfair treatment at the hands of the league office and the refs.

My point is that the officiating was terrible in Game 4. I'm not saying that it was the reason we lost but it sure helped you to win. You guys have gotten the better end of shitty officiating in this series.. So, for Amare and Diaw to be suspended is just shit coming back around.

The Spurs don't make the rules and don't think that us losing Horry for 2 games isn't a big deal. He has 6 rings for a reason. He comes up big in big games.

[fyatuk]

but yeah you're right about the blocking/charging calls - i'm convinced that, unless they're blatantly in the restricted area, the refs just make sure half the calls go one way and half the calls go the other.

Well, if you're going to not call it correctly, at least call it equally incorrectly ;)

I just wish they'd quit calling the block every time in the restricted area. I've seen someone run headlong into someone who was standing in the same spot since the ball crossed half court and it was a block. According to the rules, that should be a no-call (though more likely than not it would fit under defensive 3 seconds as well).

[mardigan]

:lmao Why? Because he has tatoos and a big ego? I never knew a "bad boy" who was also a tattle-tale. Don't confuse dumb with bad.
Dude, be careful before you talk about the Black Jesus, he might hear you

[tmtcsc]

You forgot about the elbow thrown at Bell's face... :dizzy



:lol

Why was Bell so close to Robert Horry's elbow ? He charged at him as if he was actually going to do something. Horry didn't run at Bell with his Elbow. Fuck Bell. He's just a little shit-talker anyways. Of course, I'd take him on my team any day but that's besides the point.

[violentkitten]

Why was Bell so close to Robert Horry's elbow ? He charged at him as if he was actually going to do something. Horry didn't run at Bell with his Elbow. Fuck Bell. He's just a little shit-talker anyways. Of course, I'd take him on my team any day but that's besides the point.


bell was the one who started shit after the foul. had not stoudemire and diaw faced the automatic suspension i bet bell would've been out for game 5.