Should the San Antonio Spurs retire Sean Elliott's Number 32?

[Useruser666]

Should the Spurs retire Sean Elliot's 32? Well should they?

742 games played 669 for SA 73 for Detroit PPG 14.2 RPG 4.3 APG 2.6 FGP .465

2 Allstar appearances

May Day miracle shot

3rd pick of the 1989 draft.

I would love to have him at SF now. Should his # be retired?

[AJ num 6]

no. he did not have a hall of fame career. retiring his number would be an emotional decision and would dilute the meaning of retiring numbers altogether.

[mysterious_elf26]

no. he did not have a hall of fame career. retiring his number would be an emotional decision and would dilute the meaning of retiring numbers altogether.

Uhm, you don't have to have a hall of fame career to get your jersey retired. Retiring a jersey shows the appreciation that player did for the team, not the league. So your say AJ shouldn't get his jersey retired either? Or maybe we should take down the "00" from the rafters.

[AJ num 6]

uh i was being sarcastic

[whottt]

LMAO, I love it....Elliot, is getting backed big time while AJ is getting a worse trouncing than he was when I left the board lastnight.


Kudos to the fans of this forum...they know the score. This forum definitely has the most knowledgable fans IMO. They know who really represented Spurs basketball...and who nutrode.

[AJ num 6]

whottt you dont know jack about the game

[Useruser666]

I would atleast agree to say Elliot deserves it more than Avery. Besides, he's the best commentator we have right now!

[AJ num 6]

how does elliott deserve it more than avery? any argument you make is based on emotion. if its because he played while sick well thats an emotional argument because dammit retiring numbers is about superior play not play qualified by an ailment. elliott had a fairly average to somewhat mediocre pro career for a wooden award winner. he was a pretty soft player who was easily taken out of his game when a defender bodied up on him and when the refs called him for travelling when he took that first step of his. other than one memorial day in 1999 he had a rather unremarkable career and the spurs shouldnt be retiring numbers based on emotional homeristic claptrap.

[whottt]

whottt you dont know jack about the game


Ohh I'm getting attacked by a ballot box stuffer...whatever will I do.

[AJ num 6]

hypocrite i voted once now shut the fuck up

[whottt]

ok kitty...will do.

[AJ num 6]

you calling me a pussy now thats something else. hypocrite cant respond to my argument so now you have to divert attention.

[Useruser666]

how does elliott deserve it more than avery? any argument you make is based on emotion. if its because he played while sick well thats an emotional argument because dammit retiring numbers is about superior play not play qualified by an ailment. elliott had a fairly average to somewhat mediocre pro career for a wooden award winner. he was a pretty soft player who was easily taken out of his game when a defender bodied up on him and when the refs called him for travelling when he took that first step of his. other than one memorial day in may he had a rather unremarkable career and the spurs shouldnt be retiring numbers based on emotional homeristic claptrap.

Elliot deserves it more than AJ on more than just emotion. He had much better numbers than AJ, was an allstar while with the Spurs, and played almost his entire career here. You also bring up that he played sick which is just another example of how he gave it up for the team. He even contributed that year. Elliot was a good defender and was a Bowen light with (much)more offense. He was the second scorer to Robinson and the key role player in'99 and '04. I am not saying that AJ doesn't deserve it, just look at what Elliot has done here.

[AJ num 6]

he averaged 14 a game wow thats impressive. compared to gervin and robinson and hell even silas elliott was a piker. who gives a fuck if he scored more than aj and bowen they are both shit. weak players make the all star team all the time. derrick coleman was an all star once at least. yeah i said he played sick and i said that any argument based on that is based on pure emotion and you just confirmed that

[CosmicCowboy]

Sean was also huge for the Spurs as a non-player...he took the lead as the spokesman for the Spurs on the bond issue for the proposed "community arena" (now the SBC Center)...While team "leaders" like David Robinson and Tim Duncan were quiet, Sean Elliot stepped up and campaigned tirelessly for the new arena...

[AJ num 6]

off the court shit is irrelevant. avery was an on court leader and you people say that doesnt matter what does it matter if elliott shilled for the spurs owners so they could rape the public?

[timvp]

My biggest pet peeve as a Spurs fan is Spurs fans who can't spell Sean Elliott's name right.

S-E-A-N E-L-L-I-O-T-T

I see that mistake way too often for being a player that will one day have his name and number in the rafters.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Damn straight they should retire 32. Sure he's never going to make it into the hall of fame but this guy did some great things with the Spurs, almost all of it on knees that were shot to hell. He was a big part of the organization during his entire career (which was almost entirely with the Spurs. How many championships do you think the Spurs would have gotten with Bill Curley?) He was the anchor of the perimeter D that routinely frustrated opponents during that championship season. Factor in that he made history by becoming the first transplant recipient to return to any sport, the Memorial Day Miracle, and that he's part of the Spurs broadcast team. This wouldn't be a decision based purely on emotion just because its not entirely based on stats. He's done a lot of great things that the record books just can't show.

[Useruser666]

My biggest pet peeve as a Spurs fan is Spurs fans who can't spell Sean Elliott's name right.

S-E-A-N E-L-L-I-O-T-T

I see that mistake way too often for being a player that will one day have his name and number in the rafters.

That's from ET right?

AJ num 6, how can you say Elliott had better numbers than Aj, then say AJ was more the "on the court player"? Elliott had much better numbers than AJ and was a part of both championships. He is still a part of the organisation today. He played nearly his whole career here and lives here now. He does a lot of community related stuff on the side. So in summary, Elliott>AJ on the court, Elliott~AJ off the court. I believe Elliot should get his jersey retired for his contributions to the Spurs. This has nothing to do with AJ's jersey so let's all understand that.

[AJ num 6]

i said avery was a team leader and the critics say that doesnt matter so how the fuck does off the court shit matter

as for on the court so fucking what if elliott put up better scoring stats than avery. who was setting his soft ass up? also it doesnt matter how elliott performed relative to avery what matters is how elliott measures up to the standard of gervin and robinson and he doesnt. hes undeserving just like avery was, no matter what emotional appeals you want to make

[whottt]

Very well said SpurFaninExile...

Sean Elliot= the best SF in Spur history..in a runaway contest...and I don't agree with calling him Bowen lign on D either...he could hold his own with Bruce...Elliot was an excellent defender who didn't get the praise he deserved, his D was the best part of his game. If Elliot had been in his prime in 2001, no way does Kobe smoke us for 35 a game. It was in that series that I finally realized just how much of a toll those kidney problems had taken on his game...Elliot in his prime would have made Kobe look at least mortal...I know because I watched him do it to Jordan...we owned the pre MJ retirement Bulls and Elliot's d on Jordan was a big reason for that.


Elliot should be in the rafters for the reasons AJ fans want AJ there...because Elliot was a community stalwart...he lived in SA...he cried when this franchise traded him...yet never said 1 bad word about them...and he came back as fast as he could.

Sean Elliot = a career Spur who had his career cut short...but was truly among the best at his position in his prime and was the best ever, by far, at his postion, for the San Antonio Spurs.

Sean Elliot belongs in the rafters no matter which case you want to make for him...skill, embodiment of the team, or tragic end to his career. The Ninja deserves to be hanging up there with Drob and Gervin.

[timvp]

It's not Elliot, Whot.

:cuss

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Sean Elliot belongs in the rafters no matter which case you want to make for him...skill, or embodiment of the team.

Word.

I do agree with TimVP on one thing.

It's two "T"s!

You should know that especially, whottt.

[AJ num 6]

such a long time spur fan surely would remember larry kenon. learn a little bit before you lecture us you hypocritical blowhard. stop making those emotional appeals too

[AJ num 6]

skill dont matter its fucking performance and his performance was quite mediocre other than on memorial day 99. some of you armchair ballers should now be seeing the error of your ways when you say avery's number shouldnt be retired because the reasons are all emotional and not stats based.

[exstatic]

Sean was a multiple time All Star, a lockdown defender in Bowen's class, an offensive creator and scorer, and hit the single most memorable shot in Spurs history. Case closed.

[AJ num 6]

elliott made the all star team twice. fucking twice. career 14 point a game scorer. not worthy. not by a long shot.

[exstatic]

Two All Star games are more than AJ made. 14 ppg is more than AJ scored. Stop with the bitter fuck routine, MB.

[CosmicCowboy]

skill dont matter its fucking performance and his performance was quite mediocre other than on memorial day 99. some of you armchair ballers should now be seeing the error of your ways when you say avery's number shouldnt be retired because the reasons are all emotional and not stats based.

Avery?

Avery? Is that you?

looking at FSP for tips on how to beat the Spurs and stumbled across this thread?

you should just be grateful we still talk about you occasionally...fuhgeddabout having your number retired...

[AJ num 6]

2 is crap how many did robinson and gervin make? 14 points a game is not special. your argument is pure emotion

[exstatic]

How many AS games did Moore make? Silas?

[AJ num 6]

irrelevant because according to the standards put forth by the anti-avery crowd neither should have had their numbers retired in the first place

[exstatic]

You argue against yourself with the AS game stuff, saying Sean ONLY had two. AJ ONLY had zero, so by your argument that two isn't enough, AJ doesn't belong.

[AJ num 6]

um yeah no shit. ever stop to think that i am arguing that the standards you are using to say aj is unworthy of a retired number pretty much make elliott unworthy too?

[exstatic]

Nope. Sean's numbers all around were clearly better than AJ's. AJ was a journeyman PG who bounced all over the league. He happened to spend about half of his time here. Big woop.

This is all pretty academic, Marcus. Kori says that they're both on deck, Sean next year and AJ the year after. I don't have a problem with AJ going up, it just wouldn't be my choice.

[AJ num 6]

they played different positions and for a great offensive player elliott only had 14 points a game thats weak. avery was no slouch in the scoring department. averys assists average was quite strong and that was his fucking job. avery was here for the bulk of the 1990s and he was the team leader during that time

i dont know who you are calling marcus but thats not me. im greg

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Geez, AJ#6. I don't think you need to take the endorsement of someone over AJ as a direct attack on AJ. Take a chill pill, bro. And then some Vicodin.

[CosmicCowboy]

Johnny Moore was twice the point guard Avery ever was.Didn't he average like 10 assists a game?...His inclusion in the rafters still might have been emotion based because of his career getting cut short by Desert Fever but he was definitely better than AJ...

[AJ num 6]

i take issue with those who argue that avery is unworthy because of some standard they made up which they do not hold other players to

[AJ num 6]

yes moore and silas had their numbers retired of something other than they being hall of famers

[Manu20]

I love Elliott they should definently retire his number.

[T Park]

top FIVE

yes i said it

top FIVE all time SPurs.

Robinson
Duncan
Gervin
Elliott
Silas.

In that order of best players to play here.

20 a game in 96, going to the all star game.

doing all this pretty much on zero knees.

Elliott >>>>>>>>> Avery Johnson



Sean Elliott was also if you forget, considered as good, maybe better than at the time Scottie Pippen.

Had Elliott been healthy?? It would be hard to argue that.

Elliott was a damn damn good player.

Its a great thing hes still involved in the organization and doing all the games again.


RETIRE 32!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Coach Torres]

yes if only elliott would have stayed healthy there was no question he would have been a top notch and maybe a lil bit more flashy player then he was, his really only big noticiable flaw was a consistent jumper that has always pleagues the spurs until the recent years
so yes retire seans 32

[whottt]

It's not Elliot, Whot.

:cuss


Apologies to TimVP and Blaze...there few crimes in life that are more unforgivable than forgetting an additional T...I apologize. .

Did I ever tell you guys that the extra T's on the end of my nick are for the extra T's int he names of Emmitt Smith and Sean Elliott?

It's true.

[timvp]

BS.

You've been spelling Elliott's name wrong since you were a troll on the WOAI boards back in 2001.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

BS.

You've been spelling Elliott's name wrong since you were a troll on the WOAI boards back in 2001.

Nevermind.

[Duff McCartney]

Yes...Sean>>>>>>>>>>AJ....by far.

[AJ num 6]

on what basis

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Sean was a balla before being a balla was cool (I don't mean having 18 wives, 45 kids, and bling bling everywhere, I mean he was lights out on the court and played fearless ball).

Hell yes he deserves it. If it weren't for the Memorial Day Miracle the Spurs wouldn't have won their first ring.

The difference between AJ and Elliott is pretty clear, but I'll take it one step farther...

When push came to shove, Sean deferred some of his salary so the Spurs could build a practice facility. When push came to shove, AJ held out for an 8 million dollar nest egg for averaging 10 and 6. 'Nuff said.

[Useruser666]

Should the Spurs retire Sean Elliot's 32? Well should they?

742 games played 669 for SA 73 for Detroit PPG 14.2 RPG 4.3 APG 2.6 FGP .465

2 Allstar appearances

May Day miracle shot

3rd pick of the 1989 draft.

I would love to have him at SF now. Should his # be retired?

I guess I have to quote myself. These ^^^ stats aren't good enough? His last two seaons even brought his average down, but he stilled played within his abilities and his role with the team. People need to separate the AJ and Elliott argument here. Elliott all alone diserves his #'s retirement.

[PM5K]

Very well said SpurFaninExile...
...I know because I watched him do it to Jordan...we owned the pre MJ retirement Bulls and Elliot's d on Jordan was a big reason for that.

Which years are you talking about exactly ?

[CosmicCowboy]

Elliott DID play great defense on Jordan...nobody stopped him but Sean as good a job of containing him as anyone...it wasn't unusual to see him hold Jordan to the low twentys...

[whottt]

Which years are you talking about exactly ?

As I said earlier...the pre MJ retirement Bulls...I meant his first retirement with the Bulls...When he came back and they added Rodman...they were too tough...plus we were saddled with AJ as our main PG...

I mean specificially...from 89-93 when the Spurs kicked MJ's ass up around his ears to the tune of a 6-2 record, including a memorable 22 point come back in Chicago that was keyed in large part by Elliott's third and fourth quarter Don the man himself...IIRC I think MJ even started taking cheap shots on him towards the end of that game.

I'll always remember that game...it's the one where, as calm and cool Drob iced the game in the 4th quarter with couple of FT's, the announcers said...it's the 4th quarter, they just came back from 22 points, and the man is not even sweating...

I believe that was 90-91...the year the Bulls went on to win their first title...I'm pretty sure that was the year because the Spurs didn't yet have the soft label and many were expecting the young and talented Spurs to give the Pistons a beating in the finals.

[FromWayDowntown]

I always thought it was interesting that the thing that inflated AJ's assist numbers was that he played with All-Star caliber players like David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and Sean Elliott. It's pretty easy to roll up assists when you have some guys around you who have great skill and can put the ball in the bucket.

I also think it's worth noting that since 1990, the Spurs organization has had only 3 players make any All-Star team: David Robinson 10 times (7 times a selection by the coaches), Tim Duncan 6 times (1 time a selection by the coaches), and Sean Elliott 2 times (2 times a selection by the coaches). Since All-Star games in the NBA include on the elite among the elite, an All-Star selection is a pretty significant achievement.

I will say this, though, as a counter to the Sean Elliott argument: if Sean deserves to have his number retired, why isn't there a similar push to have Mike Mitchell's #34 retired. If anything, Mitchell's numbers are stronger . . . .

(I think the answer to that question is the solution to the debate).

[Useruser666]

I always thought it was interesting that the thing that inflated AJ's assist numbers was that he played with All-Star caliber players like David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and Sean Elliott. It's pretty easy to roll up assists when you have some guys around you who have great skill and can put the ball in the bucket.

I also think it's worth noting that since 1990, the Spurs organization has had only 3 players make any All-Star team: David Robinson 10 times (7 times a selection by the coaches), Tim Duncan 6 times (1 time a selection by the coaches), and Sean Elliott 2 times (2 times a selection by the coaches). Since All-Star games in the NBA include on the elite among the elite, an All-Star selection is a pretty significant achievement.

I will say this, though, as a counter to the Sean Elliott argument: if Sean deserves to have his number retired, why isn't there a similar push to have Mike Mitchell's #34 retired. If anything, Mitchell's numbers are stronger . . . .

(I think the answer to that question is the solution to the debate).


So that's a yes, right? :lol

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Well the answer to the Mitchell question is the championship. To be perfectly honest, I don't know that either of these guys would be in line for number retirement if they hadn't been on the first Spurs championship team.

[FromWayDowntown]

So that's a yes, right? :lol

Yeah, I guess I did forget that part of it . . . .

I say yes to Elliott.

[Shelly]

Yes, because S-E-A-N is cool name, one of which I'm rather fond of even though there are a lot of idiots at doctor's offices that don't quite know how to pronounce it.

Oh, and that basketball reason also.

[Useruser666]

Yes, because S-E-A-N is cool name, one of which I'm rather fond of even though there are a lot of idiots at doctor's offices that don't quite know how to pronounce it.

Oh, and that basketball reason also.

Sean, Pat, Terry, or Chris could be girls names! Although I would vote Elliott in because I like Ninjas. :lol

[samikeyp]

I always thought it was interesting that the thing that inflated AJ's assist numbers was that he played with All-Star caliber players like David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and Sean Elliott

Purely playing devil's advocate here....does that mean Magic's numbers were inflated by playing with all-star caliber players like Kareem, Worthy and Byron Scott?

[PM5K]

I could only get boxes for 1992 and 1993 but Jordan averaged 37.3 points per game for the three games I could get boxes for. After that Jordan retired and Elliott was traded to Detroit I believe.

I wouldn't consider 37.3 PPG good defense but you are welcome to prove me wrong if you can find boxes from 1990-1991...

Let's also keep in mind that Sean never averaged more than a block per game and only averaged more than one steal per game once in his career.

He was also never on any defensive team, be it first or second....

[whottt]

I could only get boxes for 1992 and 1993 but Jordan averaged 37.3 points per game for the three games I could get boxes for.

And? You are talking about the second greatest scorer in NBA history...arguably the greatest.


After that Jordan retired and Elliott was traded to Detroit I believe.

Right, which I why I listed their record through the 8 games played between 89-93.




I wouldn't consider 37.3 PPG good defense but you are welcome to prove me wrong if you can find boxes from 1990-1991...

Not necessary...37 ppg is a high total...but not for 8 games VS Jordan in his prime. The number you need to understand is 6-2 against the original triple champion Bulls...and then ask yourself how that is accomplished without someone slowing Jordan down at key moments.





Let's also keep in mind that Sean never averaged more than a block per game and only averaged more than one steal per game once in his career.

Let's also keep in mind that steals and blocks aren't the be all end all in defense...Bowen doesn't have big steal totals either...he's still a great defender...and Elliott played a similar style of tireless hustling defense...he stayed with his man and busted his ass to contest every shot.


He was also never on any defensive team, be it first or second....

Yeah? And Drob was better in 93-94 than he was in 94-95...but he didn't get the MVP that year. Those teams aren't the only indicator of defensive ability and guys do slip through the cracks...Sean was one of them...playing in SA didn't help him...he was great defender...maybe not quite as good as Bowen...bu he was closer than being described as Bowen light...IMO, he was a better defensive player than he was an offensive player but he didn't get much recognition for it...possibly because of a lack of defensive stats.

Sean Elliott was an excellent defensive player...you don't go 6-2 against the early 90's Bulls without someone doing a good job on Jordan...and Elliott was the guy guarding him back then.

[whottt]

And besides...if you had watched that 20 point come back you'd realize how good a defender Elliott was...

[PM5K]

I'm sorry but it just doesn't make any sense to say that because the Spurs won those games that Sean Elliott played good defense or slowed down Michael Jordan.

If you used that logic then you'd have to say that whoever defended Jordan in Boston when he scored 63 points must have been playing good defense against Jordan because Boston won that game...

[AJ num 6]

aj went toe to toe with some of the best point guards in the L and held his own back in the day.

elliott was torched by mj for 37 a game and you tout that as a great example of individual defense what drug are you on

[whottt]

I'm sorry but it just doesn't make any sense to say that because the Spurs won those games that Sean Elliott played good defense or slowed down Michael Jordan.

Neither does thinking you can judge history from a box score. Besides...I never said it was any thing other than my opinion...the W-L record of our team from that era just happens to back my recollections up I am please to find out...call it a coincidence if you will...or you just can just acknowledge I might know what I am talking about...I think that's a more realistic idea than expecting to find boxscores where Jordan was held to 15 points a game...because no one did that.


If you used that logic then you'd have to say that whoever defended Jordan in Boston when he scored 63 points must have been playing good defense against Jordan because Boston won that game...

No, because that wasn't over a span of 4 years and 8 games and those Bulls weren't winning NBA championships in the meantime...

On top of that...that Celtic team that beat Jordan was a pretty good fucking team....Since Jordan didn't score 63 points on Elliot...and since we were beating them without the greatest frontline in NBA history...I'd say Elliot had quite a bit to do with it. In fact, I know he did, because I watched the games...some of them live and in person.

[tlongII]

I voted "yes" for Sean Elliott. He was a top-tier player and keyed the Spurs' run to their first championship with his goddamn memorial day miracle. Avery Johnson was a below-average point guard who was in the right place at the right time. His number should not be retired.

[whottt]

aj went toe to toe with some of the best point guards in the L and held his own back in the day.

elliott was torched by mj for 37 a game and you tout that as a great example of individual defense what drug are you on

Great points actually....

Unfortunately for you, even if that weak shit were taken seriously..AJ, not Elliott, was the one that left here and made some asshole comments...AJ is the one who elected to retire in Dallas, AJ is the one that played elsewhere as a scrub, and often, and AJ is the one who never lived in San Antonio...Unfortunately for you...Sean wins the "Real Spur" contest...he wins any comparison with AJ you want to put him in...so by all means keep trying.

[PM5K]

You are using a very general statistic (the Spurs 6-2 record against the Bulls) to prove a very specific argument (that Elliott defended Jordan well and slowed him down) and that just doesn't work.

And I think you can judge history from a box score, at least in this specific situation. How can you argue that Sean played good defense against Jordan when he averaged 37 PPG and shot 46% from the field?

And I won't acknowledge that you know what you are talking abot because you clearly don't.

[Useruser666]

I think Whottt should have pointed out that Elliott always had the tough assignment of guarding the best small scorers on opposing teams. Of course you will get beat by someone some of the time, that's life. Elliott was a key player for the Spurs for a good run of seasons. He is a good community guy as well. He is one the "guys" people are refering to when they talk about how classy the Spurs organisation is. He came back from a debility that no one had before and was a valuable contributer even then. He was David's right hand man for many years. His stats, even including his last 2 limited seasons, were better than average by league standards and quite good by Spurs' standards.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Oh, I forgot to mention that Sean also did some kick ass Taco Cabana commercials back in the day. He was an even better spokesman than Manu. What did Avery ever endorse?

And if you want to talk about shutting guys down, I think a better indicator would be the kind of performances he put on against the Knicks in the '99 finals. He was chasing Sprewell and Houston for forty minutes a night with craptacular knees and two useless kidneys. The game that sticks out the best in my mind was the one the spurs actually lost because the Knicks shot themselves back into that one when Elliott was off the floor. Or even better, look at that last moment in game 5 when Spree tried to go to the hole in the last seconds. Even if Tim and David weren't there Elliot was all over him like stink on the Warriors.

[whottt]

You are using a very general statistic (the Spurs 6-2 record against the Bulls) to prove a very specific argument (that Elliott defended Jordan well and slowed him down) and that just doesn't work.

And I think you can judge history from a box score, at least in this specific situation. How can you argue that Sean played good defense against Jordan when he averaged 37 PPG and shot 46% from the field?

Because he was averaging about 32ppg on about 51% shooting against the rest of the league....for the other 300 games he played in that era. Because if you didn't slow Jordan down back then, then you didn't beat the Chicago Bulls...as anyone who watched back then knows...and anyone that watched back then knows that no one stopped Jordan...because those that watched back then know that that was when the phrase "you can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him" was born.

In that small sample size I think Elliott aquitted himself very well...




And I won't acknowledge that you know what you are talking abot because you clearly don't.

Then don't, but I suggest that you realize I was never trying to prove anything. I never claimed I could prove it factually nor did I attempt to.

I clearly stated it was my opinion and that I was going by recollection.......it's my opinion...you can believe it...or you can continue to live in ignorance. But if you think going to basketball reference and clicking on boxscores mean you have an insight into why the Spurs went 6-2 or what kind of D Elliott played on Jordan...I assure you, you are wrong. Elliott played great D on him...and he was a big reason we went 6-2...sorry if Elliott isn't going to go hold his head in shame because MJ scored 37ppg against him, mostly in losses, at a time his team was beating the crap out of every other team in the NBA.

[timvp]

What did Avery ever endorse?

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[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Ah, how soon I forget. Still, I ate a whole lot of Taco Cabana when I lived in SA, but I did not do my banking through IBC. Therefore, Sean Elliott belongs in the hall of fame and Avery Johnson should be put in prison...that is what we were discussing on this thread, wasn't it?

[slayermin]

For the mere fact that he hit the Memorial Day Miracle, he should have his number retired. That shot changed the Spurs' lineage forever.

[SequSpur]

Eliot should have his number retired.

[GoldToe]

Of course. Done.

[akeen3]

[QUOTE=the spurs shouldnt be retiring numbers based on emotional homeristic claptrap.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure that argument holds any water. If not for emotional reasons, why do it at all. If the critera is that the player be a Hall of Famer, then every HOF player should have his number retired. That makes no sense. It has to be about the respect. The respect paid to a player assuring that nobody else will ever wear his number (unless he is Jerry Rice, but that is an argument for another forum). Respect=emotion

[InRareForm]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7PvBPepINz/?igshid=s5lkzksjr71a hops

[UZER]

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7PvBPepINz/?igshid=s5lkzksjr71a hops

That’s the dunk I remember vividly more than any other by Sean.

I also remember there was one road trip where he had two monster put back tip dunks in back-to-back games. The second one was New Jersey, I think.