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no. he did not have a hall of fame career. retiring his number would be an emotional decision and would dilute the meaning of retiring numbers altogether.
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Should the Spurs retire Sean Elliot's 32? Well should they?
742 games played 669 for SA 73 for Detroit PPG 14.2 RPG 4.3 APG 2.6 FGP .465
2 Allstar appearances
May Day miracle shot
3rd pick of the 1989 draft.
I would love to have him at SF now. Should his # be retired?
no. he did not have a hall of fame career. retiring his number would be an emotional decision and would dilute the meaning of retiring numbers altogether.
Uhm, you don't have to have a hall of fame career to get your jersey retired. Retiring a jersey shows the appreciation that player did for the team, not the league. So your say AJ shouldn't get his jersey retired either? Or maybe we should take down the "00" from the rafters.
uh i was being sarcastic
LMAO, I love it....Elliot, is getting backed big time while AJ is getting a worse trouncing than he was when I left the board lastnight.
Kudos to the fans of this forum...they know the score. This forum definitely has the most knowledgable fans IMO. They know who really represented Spurs basketball...and who nutrode.
whottt you dont know jack about the game
I would atleast agree to say Elliot deserves it more than Avery. Besides, he's the best commentator we have right now!
how does elliott deserve it more than avery? any argument you make is based on emotion. if its because he played while sick well thats an emotional argument because dammit retiring numbers is about superior play not play qualified by an ailment. elliott had a fairly average to somewhat mediocre pro career for a wooden award winner. he was a pretty soft player who was easily taken out of his game when a defender bodied up on him and when the refs called him for travelling when he took that first step of his. other than one memorial day in 1999 he had a rather unremarkable career and the spurs shouldnt be retiring numbers based on emotional homeristic claptrap.
Last edited by AJ num 6; 11-30-2004 at 10:57 AM.
Ohh I'm getting attacked by a ballot box stuffer...whatever will I do.
hypocrite i voted once now shut the up
ok kitty...will do.
you calling me a pussy now thats something else. hypocrite cant respond to my argument so now you have to divert attention.
Elliot deserves it more than AJ on more than just emotion. He had much better numbers than AJ, was an allstar while with the Spurs, and played almost his entire career here. You also bring up that he played sick which is just another example of how he gave it up for the team. He even contributed that year. Elliot was a good defender and was a Bowen light with (much)more offense. He was the second scorer to Robinson and the key role player in'99 and '04. I am not saying that AJ doesn't deserve it, just look at what Elliot has done here.
he averaged 14 a game wow thats impressive. compared to gervin and robinson and even silas elliott was a piker. who gives a if he scored more than aj and bowen they are both . weak players make the all star team all the time. derrick coleman was an all star once at least. yeah i said he played sick and i said that any argument based on that is based on pure emotion and you just confirmed that
Sean was also huge for the Spurs as a non-player...he took the lead as the spokesman for the Spurs on the bond issue for the proposed "community arena" (now the SBC Center)...While team "leaders" like David Robinson and Tim Duncan were quiet, Sean Elliot stepped up and campaigned tirelessly for the new arena...
off the court is irrelevant. avery was an on court leader and you people say that doesnt matter what does it matter if elliott shilled for the spurs owners so they could rape the public?
My biggest pet peeve as a Spurs fan is Spurs fans who can't spell Sean Elliott's name right.
S-E-A-N E-L-L-I-O-T-T
I see that mistake way too often for being a player that will one day have his name and number in the rafters.
Damn straight they should retire 32. Sure he's never going to make it into the hall of fame but this guy did some great things with the Spurs, almost all of it on knees that were shot to . He was a big part of the organization during his entire career (which was almost entirely with the Spurs. How many championships do you think the Spurs would have gotten with Bill Curley?) He was the anchor of the perimeter D that routinely frustrated opponents during that championship season. Factor in that he made history by becoming the first transplant recipient to return to any sport, the Memorial Day Miracle, and that he's part of the Spurs broadcast team. This wouldn't be a decision based purely on emotion just because its not entirely based on stats. He's done a lot of great things that the record books just can't show.
That's from ET right?
AJ num 6, how can you say Elliott had better numbers than Aj, then say AJ was more the "on the court player"? Elliott had much better numbers than AJ and was a part of both championships. He is still a part of the organisation today. He played nearly his whole career here and lives here now. He does a lot of community related stuff on the side. So in summary, Elliott>AJ on the court, Elliott~AJ off the court. I believe Elliot should get his jersey retired for his contributions to the Spurs. This has nothing to do with AJ's jersey so let's all understand that.
i said avery was a team leader and the critics say that doesnt matter so how the does off the court matter
as for on the court so ing what if elliott put up better scoring stats than avery. who was setting his soft ass up? also it doesnt matter how elliott performed relative to avery what matters is how elliott measures up to the standard of gervin and robinson and he doesnt. hes undeserving just like avery was, no matter what emotional appeals you want to make
Very well said SpurFaninExile...
Sean Elliot= the best SF in Spur history..in a runaway contest...and I don't agree with calling him Bowen lign on D either...he could hold his own with Bruce...Elliot was an excellent defender who didn't get the praise he deserved, his D was the best part of his game. If Elliot had been in his prime in 2001, no way does Kobe smoke us for 35 a game. It was in that series that I finally realized just how much of a toll those kidney problems had taken on his game...Elliot in his prime would have made Kobe look at least mortal...I know because I watched him do it to Jordan...we owned the pre MJ retirement Bulls and Elliot's d on Jordan was a big reason for that.
Elliot should be in the rafters for the reasons AJ fans want AJ there...because Elliot was a community stalwart...he lived in SA...he cried when this franchise traded him...yet never said 1 bad word about them...and he came back as fast as he could.
Sean Elliot = a career Spur who had his career cut short...but was truly among the best at his position in his prime and was the best ever, by far, at his postion, for the San Antonio Spurs.
Sean Elliot belongs in the rafters no matter which case you want to make for him...skill, embodiment of the team, or tragic end to his career. The Ninja deserves to be hanging up there with Drob and Gervin.
It's not Elliot, Whot.
Word.
I do agree with TimVP on one thing.
It's two "T"s!
You should know that especially, whottt.
such a long time spur fan surely would remember larry kenon. learn a little bit before you lecture us you hypocritical blowhard. stop making those emotional appeals too
skill dont matter its ing performance and his performance was quite mediocre other than on memorial day 99. some of you armchair ballers should now be seeing the error of your ways when you say avery's number shouldnt be retired because the reasons are all emotional and not stats based.
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