What's Luis Scola thinking when he see's this?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

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Scola/Duncan front court= REPEAT



FREE SCOLA

[hater]

http://www.interbasket.net/players/scola.jpg

[smeagol]

He is thinking he should be carefull to make the jump to the NBA because his game does not translate well (or at least this is what I read around here).

[Mr. Body]

Anger. Frustration.

The guy could have been in the league at least two years by now.

[itzsoweezee]

He is thinking he should be carefull to make the jump to the NBA because his game does not translate well (or at least this is what I read around here).

those people don't know what they're talking about.

[ChumpDumper]

"Damn, my agent sucked."

[Borosai]

"I shouldn't have signed a ten-year contract."

[ducks]

he looks kinda old...

how old is he?
27

[ducks]

damm tony's girl is hot

[CosmicCowboy]

He's thinking Spurs probably aren't gonna need another power forward.

[T Park]

"hopefully my agent will get me a quick 2 year deal so i can prove i belong and deserve a big contract"

[mikekim]

Trust me...no matter what anyone else says on here, Scola is not much better (if he is in fact, better at all) than Oberto.

There is a reason why the Spurs so quickly went after Oberto when Scola didn't work out.

[itzsoweezee]

Trust me...no matter what anyone else says on here, Scola is not much better (if he is in fact, better at all) than Oberto.

There is a reason why the Spurs so quickly went after Oberto when Scola didn't work out.

why should anyone trust you?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

only 27, damn



Scola and Manu on the same team, energy would be insane

[AFBlue]

Trust me...no matter what anyone else says on here, Scola is not much better (if he is in fact, better at all) than Oberto.

There is a reason why the Spurs so quickly went after Oberto when Scola didn't work out.

First of all, who are you and why are you to be trusted?

Secondly, do you realize how rediculous your statement is? If the Spurs were going after Scola FIRST, doesn't it mean they preferred to have Scola over Oberto. Yeah, I think I'll trust the majority of people...oh and that guy Oberto, who himself said that Scola was better.

[AFBlue]

only 27, damn



Scola and Manu on the same team, energy would be insane

And he just turned 27 this April, so he was 26 for the majority of the season...not sure if it matters, but it puts me at ease a bit.

[yavozerb]

So what exactly is scola's buyout this year?? I have heard 3 mil, is this true?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

seeing how the Spurs get zero pt production from the low post, Scola would be a MASSIVE upgrade


then Spurs need to get much younger on the wings and we talking 2-3 more titles

[Mr. Body]

So what exactly is scola's buyout this year?? I have heard 3 mil, is this true?

God knows.

Seriously, no one is totally sure. I'm thinking even Tau makes up a new figure every time.

It's probably $3M but he's said he'll buy it out himself if he has to.

[BeerIsGood!]

God knows.

Seriously, no one is totally sure. I'm thinking even Tau makes up a new figure every time.

It's probably $3M but he's said he'll buy it out himself if he has to.

Would he come over and play for the type of contract the Spurs would give him?

[mikekim]

First of all, who are you and why are you to be trusted?

Secondly, do you realize how rediculous your statement is? If the Spurs were going after Scola FIRST, doesn't it mean they preferred to have Scola over Oberto. Yeah, I think I'll trust the majority of people...oh and that guy Oberto, who himself said that Scola was better.

Okay, so don't trust me. Like most people, I use "trust me" as more of an introductory phrase than a command.

Watch the "huge," "monumental," "career-defining" game he had in the euroleague finals against Tau. The one where he became the leading scorer in Euroleagues history or something...

I really didn't see anything he could offer that Oberto can't come close to providing. Yeah he's a little more athletic...but he's not nearly the athletic specimen that some people claim he is. His post footwork? I actually like the flashes shown by Oberto against NBA talent during this playoff run more.

Whatever...I just hope the Spurs FO sees more of what I see than you see. He might be better than Oberto, but not by nearly as much as you think. And with the learning curve of getting into the Spurs system, especially as a starter playing a significant role alongside Duncan (yeahhhh....), I'm not sure it's worth the time, money, and effort to bring him over, even for the 2-4 million range.

[ggoose25]

rough... buy himself out!

bring him over. he's kinda ugly lookin, but I hope that means he's not afraid to mix it up like Manu.

[Mr. Body]

Would he come over and play for the type of contract the Spurs would give him?

Trick question... what's the contract the Spurs would give him? Would they offer him a $3M/yr contract? I believe he'd take that. He says his priority now is to get into the NBA.

[mikekim]

He's probably worth the risk for a minimal contract...but beyond that, I say Spurs should back off. Maybe if we got him a few years back...he probably would be a significantly better option than Oberto right now. But today?? I don't know if the costs outweigh the payout.

I'm just saying...AT LEAST TO ME, he doesn't seem like that big a deal.

[AFBlue]

Okay, so don't trust me. Like most people, I use "trust me" as more of an introductory phrase than a command.

Watch the "huge," "monumental," "career-defining" game he had in the euroleague finals against Tau. The one where he became the leading scorer in Euroleagues history or something...

I really didn't see anything he could offer that Oberto can't come close to providing. Yeah he's a little more athletic...but he's not nearly the athletic specimen that some people claim he is. His post footwork? I actually like the flashes shown by Oberto against NBA talent during this playoff run more.

Whatever...I just hope the Spurs FO sees more of what I see than you see. He might be better than Scola, but not by nearly as much as you think. And with the learning curve of getting into the Spurs system, especially as a starter playing a significant role alongside Duncan (yeahhhh....), I'm not sure it's worth the time, money, and effort to bring him over, even for the 2-4 million range.

By saying "trust me", you make it seem like you've followed both of their careers intently and have some insight to offer as to whether one will be better than the other. It sounds like you've seen one game and are making your assessment off of that.

I'm not proclaiming to be a Scola expert, but from everything I've read and everything that has been quoted....Scola is the much more talented low-post player.

[WalterBenitez]

"I shouldn't have signed a ten-year contract."

His father did .. Luis was underage :rolleyes

[WalterBenitez]

He's probably worth the risk for a minimal contract...but beyond that, I say Spurs should back off. Maybe if we got him a few years back...he probably would be a significantly better option than Oberto right now. But today?? I don't know if the costs outweigh the payout.

I'm just saying...AT LEAST TO ME, he doesn't seem like that big a deal.

Have you seen him lately? he's making that money in Europe

[Borosai]

His father did .. Luis was underage :rolleyes

"My father shouldn't have signed a 10-year contract."

[Mr. Body]

The 'give Scola the minimum' advocates don't really grasp the situation. They don't know how good a player Scola is and would cripple the team with their principles that every good player should demand to play for chicken scraps just by asking. Na ga happen. It's dumb.

[itzsoweezee]

looks A LOT more athletic than oberto to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6tNlLqx-TM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19NwWDvErWY

[mikekim]

You're right, I've only seen one full game with Scola in it. But I have seen other clips and parts of other games...but they have all been from very recent times.

But I really don't see the point of going back and "following his career," as what he's done in the past in his "career" doesn't really matter much now. What he can do at the present and what his game is capable of RIGHT NOW should be the main basis of evaluating how he'll fit with the Spurs.

All that you've read and "everything that's been quoted" might reflect a very great player in Scola. But I'm guessing a lot of it takes into context his career and his accomplishments....which are great. But what does he have RIGHT NOW? Go online, find some RECENT games of his and watch him. He is decent...but not much more. Better than Oberto, probably, but what is the cost of bringing him over??

I'm not saying he won't work out. He can. But people need to look at him realistically. Do we really need a Oberto V.2?? Yes, I GUESS he might have the potential to be better than that, but what is the risk?? and how much are the spurs willing to pay to take that risk??

[Mr. Body]

Scola always looks bigger in vids than I expect him to. He has good size.

[AFBlue]

You're right, I've only seen one full game with Scola in it. But I have seen other clips and parts of other games...but they have all been from very recent times.

But I really don't see the point of going back and "following his career," as what he's done in the past in his "career" doesn't really matter much now. What he can do at the present and what his game is capable of RIGHT NOW should be the main basis of evaluating how he'll fit with the Spurs.

All that you've read and "everything that's been quoted" might reflect a very great player in Scola. But I'm guessing a lot of it takes into context his career and his accomplishments....which are great. But what does he have RIGHT NOW. Go online, find some RECENT games of his and watch him. He is decent...but not much more. Better than Oberto, probably, but what is the cost of bringing him over??

I'm not saying he won't work out. He can. But people need to look at him realistically. Do we really need a Oberto V.2?? Yes, I GUESS he might have the potential to be better than that, but what is the risk?? and how much are the spurs willing to pay to take that risk??

I think he's in-line to be Euroleague MVP this year...if not, he's certainly a candidate. How's that for recent?

[Mr. Body]

You're right, I've only seen one full game with Scola in it. But I have seen other clips and parts of other games...but they have all been from very recent times.

But I really don't see the point of going back and "following his career," as what he's done in the past in his "career" doesn't really matter much now. What he can do at the present and what his game is capable of RIGHT NOW should be the main basis of evaluating how he'll fit with the Spurs.

All that you've read and "everything that's been quoted" might reflect a very great player in Scola. But I'm guessing a lot of it takes into context his career and his accomplishments....which are great. But what does he have RIGHT NOW. Go online, find some RECENT games of his and watch him. He is decent...but not much more. Better than Oberto, probably, but what is the cost of bringing him over??

I'm not saying he won't work out. He can. But people need to look at him realistically. Do we really need a Oberto V.2?? Yes, I GUESS he might have the potential to be better than that, but what is the risk?? and how much are the spurs willing to pay to take that risk??

The Spurs don't really want him. He doesn't fit the team needs, which is why they've been shopping his rights for some time. This may be the summer where it happens, since there are a few teams that need post scoring, plus it follows a year when not only did new international players like Garbojosa do very well, Argentinian big men and wings did exceptionally well, too.

[mikekim]

(made a new post at the bottom)

[hater]

[QUOTE=mikekim
There is a reason why the Spurs so quickly went after Oberto when Scola didn't work out.[/QUOTE]

yes the reason is Oberto was available while scola had millions to buy out his contract. genius

[itzsoweezee]

Watch a game.

i guess those spanish league mvp voters don't watch games

[BeerIsGood!]

Trick question... what's the contract the Spurs would give him? Would they offer him a $3M/yr contract? I believe he'd take that. He says his priority now is to get into the NBA.

I worded it like that because I have no idea what the Spurs would be willing to offer. I know it won't be star player money, but then again I'm not sure in what regard Pop and RC hold the guy these days. I also don't know what the Spurs plans are for the immediate future and if they are targeting any future free agents or players in the next couple of years.

I do believe that the Spurs would bring him over if they thought his play on the court and his personality in the locker room would be worth his costs.

[50 cent]

He's probably thinking how much it's gonna suck when he has to play against the Spurs.

If he ever comes over, he will never put on a Spurs uniform. They will trade his rights this offseason.

[hater]

Scola >>>>> Oberto

[mikekim]

I think he's in-line to be Euroleague MVP this year...if not, he's certainly a candidate. How's that for recent?

Watch a game, any game. I'm not telling you to ignore the articles and praises that get posted here. But please, just watch a game...then tell me what you think.

You seem like a fairly intelligent guy, and I'm sure you'll have at least some insights after watching a full game of his. So it'd be cool if you can watch a game then discuss what you think with me.

Same goes for everyone else i guess. I don't know how many spurs fans have actually sat and watched a full game with Scola in it. But it would provide a good basis for all the discussion about him.

EDIT: And please don't take this as some sort of cocky, back handed insult from me and get all offended and stuff...

[Martin R]

if SPURS sign Scola, then NBA would be a ROBBERY.

Scola is currently and arguably the best Euro player outside the NBA.

[makedamnsure]

Scola looks like Carlos Tevez. and that's the worst compliment you could probably give a person.

[Mr. Body]

I worded it like that because I have no idea what the Spurs would be willing to offer. I know it won't be star player money, but then again I'm not sure in what regard Pop and RC hold the guy these days. I also don't know what the Spurs plans are for the immediate future and if they are targeting any future free agents or players in the next couple of years.

I do believe that the Spurs would bring him over if they thought his play on the court and his personality in the locker room would be worth his costs.

It's the Scola Shit Or Get Off the Pot offseason for the Spurs. Technically they don't have to do anything with him, but he still has value. There's still a chance he comes over as a Spur, but I do think it's unlikely - bad blood between the two sides and other Spurs needs leading them to trade his rights. But then things have to fall the right way - Chicago is an obvious trading partner, but what happens if they get their post players elsewhere? Other teams are offering second round picks, which is a joke... it may leave the Spurs to resign him, for that $3M figure, which is more than fine by me.

[hater]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1140YPsrXI

[Mr. Body]

Watch a game, any game. I'm not telling you to ignore the articles and praises that get posted here. But please, just watch a game...then tell me what you think.


ALMOST EVERYONE HAS WATCHED HIM PLAY FULL GAMES.

[mikekim]

ALMOST EVERYONE HAS WATCHED HIM PLAY FULL GAMES.

Are you sure about that? Not even talking about Spurs fans in general (i don't know if that's what you're saying), but even in just this forum??

Hmmm...if that's the case...then I'll apologize and go watch some more Scola to re-evaluate.

[ducks]

most if not all watched scola play against the usa team

[Kori Ellis]

Okay, so don't trust me. Like most people, I use "trust me" as more of an introductory phrase than a command.

Watch the "huge," "monumental," "career-defining" game he had in the euroleague finals against Tau. The one where he became the leading scorer in Euroleagues history or something...


He plays for Tau, so it wasn't against Tau. He became the leading scoring in Euroleague history way before the Euroleague Finals. I think that happened against Roma in the round of 16.

[Kori Ellis]

By the way, I'm not saying you are wrong about Scola. Just that you sound like you don't know what you are talking about in that post.

[picnroll]

If Oberto takes the player option it will be interesting to see if, money being near the same, Spurs would chose to resign Oberto or go for Scola. Maybe go another direction. Quite a few unknowns going into the off season, Oberto, Finley, Horry, Vaughn.

[ChumpDumper]

I like Scola, but he's down the list of priorities this summer.

[BeerIsGood!]

It's the Scola Shit Or Get Off the Pot offseason for the Spurs. Technically they don't have to do anything with him, but he still has value. There's still a chance he comes over as a Spur, but I do think it's unlikely - bad blood between the two sides and other Spurs needs leading them to trade his rights. But then things have to fall the right way - Chicago is an obvious trading partner, but what happens if they get their post players elsewhere? Other teams are offering second round picks, which is a joke... it may leave the Spurs to resign him, for that $3M figure, which is more than fine by me.

Yeah, I hope the Spurs get either Scola as a productive player and teammate or something of value although I'm not too sure either will happen. A 2nd round pick is a joke, and if the Spurs can't get at least a decent 1st for him then I'd just sit on it. Between Oberto, Elson, and now Horry probably coming back for another season I can't see where he would fit in with this team. If there was a way to get him in the frontline rotation during the season next year to keep Duncan and Horry on limited minutes for another deep title run I'd be all for it.

[mikekim]

most if not all watched scola play against the usa team

Ah..haha...yeah, forgot about that. I didn't watch most of those games (no tv at the time, and still no tv)...but yeah, he did play well. I remember hearing about him giving Richard Jefferson a facial back a few years?

I was excited about the Spurs having his rights back then...even after last year's FIBA games.

But after watching his recent games with tau...i just don't see it. Maybe he's like carlos arroyo in the past, where he just looks better with the national team (although he doesn't exactly disappear like arroyo when he returns to his league)

[mikekim]

By the way, I'm not saying you are wrong about Scola. Just that you sound like you don't know what you are talking about in that post.

Ah...of course, the always dependable facts of kori ellis, haha...thanks for the correction, but i implore you to concentrate more on what i said with those facts (even if i messed up the specifics...i don't follow euroleagues...i just got the games).

Yeah...i meant he played for tau. And I don't think it was the finals of the euroleague but round of 16 or something?? was it against maccabi?? not sure

[Mr. Body]

I like Scola, but he's down the list of priorities this summer.

Really? I'd say his situation is very high on the list, buy or sell.

[gaKNOW!blee]

hes thinking Oberto should tuck in his jersey.

[Kori Ellis]

Ah...of course, the always dependable facts of kori ellis, haha...thanks for the correction, but i implore you to concentrate more on what i said with those facts (even if i messed up the specifics...i don't follow euroleagues...i just got the games).

Yeah...i meant he played for tau. And I don't think it was the finals of the euroleague but round of 16 or something?? was it against maccabi?? not sure

I didn't disagree with you about Scola. I think he's a great Euroleague player, but I have always been unsure how good he'd be in the NBA. His game is much different than Oberto, but still I don't know if he'd be good here with the Spurs. He's a low priority to sign this summer, IMO.

From what I heard from some people over there, he'll probably be in the league next year - but probably not with San Antonio.

[zekes]

Scola looks like Carlos Tevez. and that's the worst compliment you could probably give a person.

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Really? I'd say his situation is very high on the list, buy or sell.I'm talking from a pure signing standpoint. There are more pressing needs than backup PF.

[mikekim]

I didn't disagree with you about Scola. I think he's a great Euroleague player, but I have always been unsure how good he'd be in the NBA. His game is much different than Oberto, but still I don't know if he'd be good here with the Spurs. He's a low priority to sign this summer, IMO.

From what I heard from some people over there, he'll probably be in the league next year - but probably not with San Antonio.

Ah I see, much thanks for the clarification.

**The reason why i implored you to concentrate on the content of what i said was because you said that it looked like i "didn't know what i was talking about in that post." I see that you were probably talking about the specific facts (missteps about Tau and the specific euroleague game that it was in) and not my analysis. But it just seems like when someone says "it doesn't look like you knew what you were talking about," it seems to imply that they are talking about the essential aspects of what they said.

[ducks]

scola is thinking no way do I want to play with that james fellow

[wildbill2u]

Spurs can only pay about $500,000 of his buyout. So if he wants to spend 3 million or so on his own hook--without getting a commensurate salary from the Spurs to make it up--he's the master of his fate.

[Money316]

rough... buy himself out!

bring him over. he's kinda ugly lookin, but I hope that means he's not afraid to mix it up like Manu.
All them Argies are ugly but shit they can play.

:fro

[Kori Ellis]

Ah I see, much thanks for the clarification.

**The reason why i implored you to concentrate on the content of what i said was because you said that it looked like i "didn't know what i was talking about in that post." I see that you were probably talking about the specific facts (missteps about Tau and the specific euroleague game that it was in) and not my analysis. But it just seems like when someone says "it doesn't look like you knew what you were talking about," it seems to imply that they are talking about the essential aspects of what they said.


Did you read the post that posted less than 1 minute after my initial post to you?


By the way, I'm not saying you are wrong about Scola. Just that you sound like you don't know what you are talking about in that post.

[Money316]

Scola looks like Carlos Tevez. and that's the worst compliment you could probably give a person.
Don't give a fuck. Shit I'd root for this footballing bitch if he could play D for Pop.

http://www.4thegame.com/media/00/03/55/tevez_carlos_whfc_profile_2006.jpg

[Vito Corleone]

When I first saw Scola play I had a hard time trying to define it by current NBA players, that was back when Argentina beat the US. After watching Carlos Boozer play for a whole season I can now say that if we get Scola we will be getting a Carlos Boozer clone with the energy of Oberto. That's about the best way to describe his game.

[Money316]

Ah...of course, the always dependable facts of kori ellis, haha...thanks for the correction, .... not sure
Got to go with Kori ....

You don't know caca.

:fro

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

When I first saw Scola play I had a hard time trying to define it by current NBA players, that was back when Argentina beat the US. After watching Carlos Boozer play for a whole season I can now say that if we get Scola we will be getting a Carlos Boozer clone with the energy of Oberto. That's about the best way to describe his game.




Scola has Manu energy



imagine Manu in a PF body

[ducks]

Scola has Manu energy



imagine Manu in a PF body
except manu usually plays great in big games scola does not

[ObiwanGinobili]

Are you sure about that? Not even talking about Spurs fans in general (i don't know if that's what you're saying), but even in just this forum??

Hmmm...if that's the case...then I'll apologize and go watch some more Scola to re-evaluate.

*raises hand*

I've seen 6 full games with Scola in them.

Scola is a subject of intense ddebate and discussion around here - most Spurstalkers have educated themselves on the issue.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

except manu usually plays great in big games scola does not



let's see Scola in the NBA before we talk about that

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Scola + Barry for S&Ted Nocioni, that's all you need to know.

[Dartherus]

God knows.

Seriously, no one is totally sure. I'm thinking even Tau makes up a new figure every time.

It's probably $3M but he's said he'll buy it out himself if he has to.
Scola buyout WAS 14.5 mill EUROS (not dollars), however, his contract expires in 2008, and established that in his last year of contract, his buyout drops below 1 mill euros.

He was offfered an extension, with the highest amount signed in Europe and a renewal of a high buyout, but he refused it, to keep the last_year_low_buyout, so he could enter the NBA next season.

For the ones saying that Scola isn't much better than Oberto, perhaps they should have watched more games, both live and in videos.

Scola is a younger, better mid range shooter, faster and more athletic version of Oberto, cause he's par with Fabricio regarding Basketball IQ, size, and fundamentals.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Scola buyout WAS 14.5 mill EUROS (not dollars), however, his contract expires in 2008, and established that in his last year of contract, his buyout drops below 1 mill euros.

He was offfered an extension, with the highest amount signed in Europe and a renewal of a high buyout, but he refused it, to keep the last_year_low_buyout, so he could enter the NBA next season.

For the ones saying that Scola isn't much better than Oberto, perhaps they should have watched more games, both live and in videos.

Scola is a younger, better mid range shooter, faster and more athletic version of Oberto, cause he's par with Fabricio regarding Basketball IQ, size, and fundamentals.




seems primed to be picked up by the spurs

[Admidave50]

He's still young, but with Oberto's breakout performance in these playoffs do we still need him or should we trade up in the draft?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

He's still young, but with Oberto's breakout performance in these playoffs do we still need him or should we trade up in the draft?



Oberto is a center who is not expected to score



Scola could be an All Star in the NBA

[FuzzyLumpkins]

rather than talk about generalities can we atlk aobut specifics in his game?

Hows is his post defesne? Can he defend perimeter bigs like Nowitzki? How is his rebounding? Whats the range on his jumpshot? How extensive are his post moves? Does he favor one hand significanntly over the other? Can he run the floor? Can he beat guys with the dribble? How is his ball handling?

[Brutalis]

crickets

im tired of scola. went two years on this issue not going a third, if he comes he comes and if he dont he dont.

[Despot]

rather than talk about generalities can we atlk aobut specifics in his game?

Hows is his post defesne? Can he defend perimeter bigs like Nowitzki? How is his rebounding? Whats the range on his jumpshot? How extensive are his post moves? Does he favor one hand significanntly over the other? Can he run the floor? Can he beat guys with the dribble? How is his ball handling?

I remember a few articles about how the Spurs wanted him to focus more on rebounding. Can't say if he has improved much since then.

[Dartherus]

I remember a few articles about how the Spurs wanted him to focus more on rebounding. Can't say if he has improved much since then.
FWIW, Scola's rebounding avg in Europe, is superior than the reb avg of Oberto in Europe also, in the same Team, Tau Ceramica, and in Pamesa, a team inferior to Tau, and this season after season, not just cherrypicking a few games. You can comapre Scola and Oberto stats in www.acb.com or www.euroleague.net

As I always say, Oberto is a great player, saying Scola is an improved version of him (better mid range shoot, faster and more athletic, etc.) is not hating Fabricio, is just showing the reality.