Updates: Luis Scola [Archive] - SpursTalk.com Forums

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 12:42 PM

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Luis Scola
Birthdate: 4/30/80
NBA Position: PF
Ht: 6-9
Wt: 230
Int Team: Tau Cerámica
Hometown: Buenos Aires, Argentina

How acquired: Selected by the Spurs with the 56th pick in the second round of the 2002 NBA Draft.

TAU Ceramica profile (http://www.baskonia.com/web/plantilla/jugador1.asp)
ACB (Spanish) league profile (http://www.acb.com/jugador.php?id=A3C)
InterBasket profile (http://www.interbasket.net/players/scola.htm)
Eurobasket profile (http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=ESP&PlayerID=26083)
NBA.com draft profile (http://www.nba.com/draft2002/profiles/luis_scola.html)
NBADraft.net profile (http://nbadraft.net/profiles/luisscola.htm)
ESPN.com draft profile (http://sports.espn.go.com/nbadraft/tracker/player?playerId=18336)
Yahoo! EuroSport profile (http://es.eurosport.yahoo.com/fot/ftxt/luis_scola.html)
Wikipedia profile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Scola)

Spurs.com update by Presti (2006) (http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/presti_060327.html)

Euroleague interview with Scola (2004) (http://217.13.116.51/noticia.jsp?temporada=E04&jornada=1&id=1727)

Tau v Real Madrid '07 Semifinal highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRBL9wr03U0)
YouTube highlights (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=luis+scola&search=)

rayray2k8

06-17-2007, 12:43 PM

So whats up with this guy?
Is he ever gonna play with San Antonio or will his contract in Europe prevent him from doing so?

ALVAREZ6

06-17-2007, 12:52 PM

Probably will never wear a Spurs uniform.

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 12:53 PM

Let's try to keep this to reports about Scola, at least at the start. Thanks.

-MB

Strike

06-17-2007, 12:53 PM

I thought the title of this thread was Updates.

So, where's the update?

ALVAREZ6

06-17-2007, 12:55 PM

There probably aren't any updates...it's the same story every year.

spurscenter

06-17-2007, 12:58 PM

SCOLA buy out is now at 2.5 mil, can be done, now more than ever.

rayray2k8

06-17-2007, 01:19 PM

Thanks.
That's why I asked. I wanted an UPDATE on Scola.

SenorSpur

06-17-2007, 01:21 PM

Probably will never wear a Spurs uniform.

I hope not. Personally, I've not been impressed with what I've seen. I'd rather the Spurs leverage his rights into a suitable trade package.

Russ

06-17-2007, 01:29 PM

Sclola update -- he's even slower than he was a year ago.

Mavs<Spurs

06-17-2007, 02:10 PM

Thanks.
That's why I asked. I wanted an UPDATE on Scola.

exactly.

Where's the update? Where is there any new information about Scola.

If someone wants to start a new thread titled, "Updates: Luis Scola" , shouldn't he provide some new information about him, especially in relation to the Spurs.

The other thing is that the early posters were on point. They didn't go off topic. So, why reprimand them?

:wtf :wtf :wtf

Lame thread. Lame posts.

:reading

spursfaninla

06-17-2007, 03:10 PM

People are going to be asking about updates on the potential new spurs for next year. Taking a "mod-like" structuring role around here is not a bad idea; better than posting 10 threads about this topic, one each day, that falls off the first page.

appreciated.

ducks

06-17-2007, 03:24 PM

some people do not know how this forum works in the offseason

SpursWoman

06-17-2007, 03:31 PM

Lame thread. Lame posts.

:reading

Ummm...these are threads that are started at the beginning of each offseason to keep track of what's going on and keeping all the info together for each free agent/prospect. It's something that we've done every year...the index of players with links to their threads are stickied to the top for reference.

It's not lame, it's very useful. If you find some info on a player, find them in the index and post it in their thread.

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 03:37 PM

I see many can complain, but few can contribute. Thanks to SW for explaining the concept.

ducks

06-17-2007, 03:39 PM

will scola be willing to come off the bench and play with manu
him and manu would know where each like the ball
most spurs take a year to learn the system
hopefully if he is not traded it will not take that long

Twisted_Dawg

06-17-2007, 03:41 PM

That "other" board is reporting the Spurs plan to add him to the roster for 2007.

WalterBenitez

06-17-2007, 03:46 PM

Free Scola to play in another team

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 03:55 PM

Scola makes progress on buyout from Spanish team

Web Posted: 05/14/2006 12:35 AM CDT

Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer

DALLAS — The Spurs currently don't have a first-round pick in next month's NBA draft, but they may derive some benefit from a couple of their previous selections this summer.

Argentine forward Luis Scola, who was taken by the Spurs in the second round of the 2002 draft, has negotiated a more affordable buyout with his Spanish team.

The Spurs broke off talks with Scola last summer over fears he wouldn't be able to free himself from his contract with Tau Ceramica because Tau officials claimed his buyout would cost almost $15 million. Recent discussions between Scola's agents and the team, however, have lowered the amount Scola will have to pay to come to the NBA to between $3 million-$3.5 million.

"We feel good about the progress that's been made," said Spurs assistant general manager Sam Presti, who recently visited Scola in Spain, "and about Luis' possibilities of coming to the NBA."

Whether Scola ever wears a Spurs uniform remains to be seen. The Spurs will assess their needs this summer, as well as what type of contract Scola is seeking, before deciding whether they would be better off trading his rights.

Scola, 26, remains one of Europe's top players. A 6-foot-9 power forward, he again helped lead Tau to the Euroleague Final Four while averaging 14.7 points and 6.6 rebounds.

link (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA051406.14C.BKNspurs.notebook.892e582.html)

ducks

06-17-2007, 04:03 PM

Free Scola to play in another team
why?
spurs own him and will trade him for only somethink they do not consider stupid
which is a late second round pick so far

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-17-2007, 04:14 PM

no update on Scola

nice misleading title

stupid thread

Bruno

06-17-2007, 04:14 PM

The latest on Scola :

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1795615&postcount=12

in the last year of his contract in Spain, Tau staff should let Scola go, with a buyout of $2.5M, instead of getting nothing for him in one year. It's up to the Spurs to decide to sign him with them or to use him as a trading asset during the draft...

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1795665&postcount=29

No definition on Scola’s future.

About the possibility of Scola arriving to the Spurs this year, the coach commented: “He can be, or not. He wants to be here, we want him to be here, but it’s a problem in his contract that I’m tired of hearing about. We’ll see what happens this year”. However, when asked about the possibility of trading his rights to another team in exchange for draft picks, he answered: “Yes, it’s probable, RC Bufford is on charge there, but so far we have received stupid offers. There’s nothing good in return”.

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 04:15 PM

Team officials will evaluate Ian Mahinmi, their 2005 first-round pick, in the summer leagues to determine whether he is worthy of a roster spot next season. They also have the rights to Argentine forward Luis Scola, who remains one of the best players in Europe, but they might not have room for him if Oberto and Horry return.

San Antonio Express-News June 17, 2007 (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA061707.01C.BKNspurs.main.35d986a.html)

Kori Ellis

06-17-2007, 04:15 PM

no update on Scola

nice misleading title

stupid thread

Umm... it's a thread where people are supposed to post the latest news and updates on Scola, so it's not spread in multiple threads.

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 04:18 PM

no update on Scola

nice misleading title

stupid thread

Spurs fans are the worst trolls.

ducks

06-17-2007, 04:19 PM

no update on Scola

nice misleading title

stupid thread
bruno just posted an update on scola
congrat on your first post in a threa you did not start

timvp

06-17-2007, 04:21 PM

in the last year of his contract in Spain, Tau staff should let Scola go, with a buyout of $2.5M, instead of getting nothing for him in one year.

I thought Scola still had a buyout even after his contract expires? If he doesn't perhaps you keep him overseas one last year and then replace Horry with him.

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 04:24 PM

I thought Scola still had a buyout even after his contract expires? If he doesn't perhaps you keep him overseas one last year and then replace Horry with him.

I saw that reported somewhere as being $1 mil.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 04:26 PM

I thought Scola still had a buyout even after his contract expires? If he doesn't perhaps you keep him overseas one last year and then replace Horry with him.With Horry's wanting to come back one more season. I see that as the most likely case if Scola is ever going to be a Spur. I actually think re-signing Bonner is more critical than alot of people might think -- more important than bringing in Scola this summer.

ducks

06-17-2007, 04:26 PM

most spurs take one year to learn the system
you bring him over now
then he will be ready to replace horry when horry retires

if you showcase manu and scola off the bench scola and manu know where each likes he ball you could make scola look better right away

I wonder if spurs think scola and duncan can not play at the same time?
if so manu and scola comes off the bench then you trade scola for that long 3

SequSpur

06-17-2007, 04:26 PM

So what is the update? :D

sounds like the same ol' sheyitt to me...

texasqb2

06-17-2007, 04:30 PM

With Horry's wanting to come back one more season. I see that as the most likely case if Scola is ever going to be a Spur. I actually think re-signing Bonner is more critical than alot of people might think -- more important than bringing in Scola this summer.

I like Bonner, but I am tired of throwing nickels and dimes out to get guys like Bonner, Elson, Butler, etc....I would rather get one player with all that money that will help us a lot more than Bonner riding the pine "learning the system" along with Butler......Scola can ball much better than Butler or Bonner

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-17-2007, 04:34 PM

No definition on Scola’s future.

About the possibility of Scola arriving to the Spurs this year, the coach commented: “He can be, or not. He wants to be here, we want him to be here, but it’s a problem in his contract that I’m tired of hearing about. We’ll see what happens this year”. However, when asked about the possibility of trading his rights to another team in exchange for draft picks, he answered: “Yes, it’s probable, RC Bufford is on charge there, but so far we have received stupid offers. There’s nothing good in return”.

make it happen Buford

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 04:35 PM

Q) There are rumors that Luis Scola's rights, held by San Antonio, could involve a trade at draft time. Is he a guy that could make an immediate NBA impact in the league right now?

A) There are always a flurry of trades and trade offers around draft time. Specifically, Luis has been the leader and franchise player of Taugres for at least the last five years. Just like Garbajosa he would be a solid NBA contributor. I think that's pretty much a unanimous opinion by NBA experts.

Tim Shea, Director of International Scouting, Bobcats (http://nbadraft.net/sheainterview003.asp)

timvp

06-17-2007, 04:37 PM

^^Nice find.

timvp

06-17-2007, 04:40 PM

I actually think re-signing Bonner is more critical than alot of people might think -- more important than bringing in Scola this summer.

Yeah, Bonner could have a bright future with the Spurs. A power forward who can rebound and shoot threes can be a nice weapon. When Horry retires, what they'll miss most is his ability to spread the floor. And luckily, Bonner can do the same.

Bonner had some first season blues like most first year Spurs, but if he figures out the defense he can be a nice asset down the line.

texasqb2

06-17-2007, 04:42 PM

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/qa_scola.html

texasqb2

06-17-2007, 04:45 PM

I like this article better....what a pipe dream...or is it?

http://highfivehoopschool.blogspot.com/search/label/Luis%20Scola

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 04:47 PM

I like this article better....what a pipe dream...or is it?

http://highfivehoopschool.blogspot.com/search/label/Luis%20Scola
A crack pipe dream. We can't even get a late first rounder for Scola.

SequSpur

06-17-2007, 04:47 PM

Yeah, Bonner could have a bright future with the Spurs. A power forward who can rebound and shoot threes can be a nice weapon. When Horry retires, what they'll miss most is his ability to spread the floor. And luckily, Bonner can do the same.

Bonner had some first season blues like most first year Spurs, but if he figures out the defense he can be a nice asset down the line.

Bonner doesn't have playoff skills. He's too slow.. He has no basketball IQ, he needs to pack up his Pontiac and move.

spurster

06-17-2007, 04:56 PM

That "other" board is reporting the Spurs plan to add him to the roster for 2007.

Well, it good to know now that Scola won't end up on the Spurs.

Gummi

06-17-2007, 05:28 PM

R.C. and Pop should try everything to get Scola over this summer. He'll be a great player comming of the bench for Oberto. He brings toughness like Oberto but is a better offensive player with some nice moves. He's a scorer and that's always nice to have off the bench.

I don't think Scola will need a lot of time to adjust to the NBA game. He won't have to be a go to guy like he's in Spain so he could take a couple of months to adjust and it wouldn't affect the Spurs that much.

Imagine having Manu and Scola comming of the bench next season. That alone would give the Spurs the best bench in the league.

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-17-2007, 05:33 PM

LOL @ Bonner, he would be a nice 10th man off the bench

but to put him in the same class of Scola is ridiculous

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 05:34 PM

If his buyout is around $2.5 to 3 mil then the Spurs would end up using a sizable chunk of their MLE to sign Scola. With Finley's future in SA as of now uncertain, it's not a given that the MLE will be available to use on Scola.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 05:36 PM

Neither Finley nor Oberto would have to be re-signed using MLE money if either opted out, but your point is taken if you are talking about replacing them.

Gummi

06-17-2007, 05:43 PM

I think that the Spurs front office knows that Scola is a great player and would make the Spurs a better team. Now, are they willing to use their mid level on him either the full or a big chunk, I don't know.

IMO they should try everything to land him this summer. He's only 27 and he's been playing at the highest level in Europe for a while, even longer then Manu did.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 05:47 PM

Scola would be most effective in a lineup with....

....Francisco Elson.

Yikes.

Gummi

06-17-2007, 05:52 PM

No. I think that Scola and Duncan would be an awesome pair. Scola has a nice jumper and he's also a player that crashes the board on the offensive end.

He could also bring some offense when Duncan takes a breather. Possibly with Elson.

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-17-2007, 05:54 PM

Scola would be most effective in a lineup with....

....Francisco Elson.

Yikes.

Duncan at C and Scola at PF

TD plays center a lot anyway

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 05:55 PM

I haven't seen anything especially nice about his jumper, and his rebound totals don't inspire alot of confidence in that area either. He could add to the team, but "Scola at all costs" is not a prudent philosophy for the summer.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 05:56 PM

Duncan at C and Scola at PF

TD plays center a lot anywayWith PFs parked outside the three point line.

Gummi

06-17-2007, 06:02 PM

He's not a deadly shooter, we all know that. He's no Dennis Rodman, but don't forget that he plays in Europe where the playing time is 40 minutes and he averages 29 minutes a game with TAU. 6.2 rebounds is pretty good in 29 minutes.

When I'm saying aat all costs, I'm meaning the mid level.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 06:10 PM

He's not a deadly shooter, we all know that.So his use in offensive sets with Duncan will be...?

He's no Dennis Rodman, but don't forget that he plays in Europe where the playing time is 40 minutes and he averages 29 minutes a game with TAU. 6.2 rebounds is pretty good in 29 minutes.5.6 in 27 minutes in Euroleague, which puts him a little under Marcus Haislip. Please don't bring up ACB unless you want to discuss Marcus Fizer.

When I'm saying aat all costs, I'm meaning the mid level.That's pretty much all costs -- what else is there?

itzsoweezee

06-17-2007, 06:14 PM

bonner will never more than a 7th or 8th on any nba team. scola, on the other hand, his potential is huge. he could be a great nba player if given the chance. the spurs aren't getting any younger. finley, barry, horry, vaughn all need to be replaced with a couple of young guys that have star potential. and scola + duncan could be an awesome duo. with oberto during the playoffs we all saw the destructive potential the spurs have the when the other big guy playing with duncan is a scoring threat. now imagine a post player that is much better offensively than oberto. that would be downright scary.

the spurs need to stop being cheapskates (we all know they are) and do what needs to be done to finally get a repeat in san antonio.

Bruno

06-17-2007, 06:15 PM

Scola isn't a good rebounder.
FYI, Romain Sato, who plays in Italia and won the championship today, averages 6.3 rebounds in 28 minutes.

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 06:15 PM

Neither Finley nor Oberto would have to be re-signed using MLE money if either opted out, but your point is taken if you are talking about replacing them.

Yep.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 06:22 PM

:lol @ Oberto's being a scoring threat. Why do you think he was open all the time?

Again, I'm fine with signing Scola -- only after taking care of our more pressing needs.

Gummi

06-17-2007, 06:29 PM

So what do you want Chump? Sign Posey like some people want and stack up swing players that all need minutes? The Spurs most likely won't trade Barry or Finley this summer.

I just don't think that we need to sign a swing player until next season when Barry, Finley, Bowen are supposed to come off the books.

Add a player like Scola and call it quits.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 06:34 PM

So what do you want Chump? Sign Posey like some people want and stack up swing players that all need minutes? The Spurs most likely won't trade Barry or Finley this summer.What do you want? Sign Scola and stack up power forwards that all need minutes? The Spurs most likely won't trade Duncan, Horry or Bonner this summer.

I just don't think that we need to sign a swing player until next season when Barry, Finley, Bowen are supposed to come off the books.I just don't think we need to sign Scola until next season when Horry, Elson and Oberto come off the books.

Add a defensive long three and a point guard, another young guy and call it quits.

Mr.Bottomtooth

06-17-2007, 06:36 PM

Pwnt!

Gummi

06-17-2007, 06:40 PM

OK. Be rude. Nice.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 06:41 PM

You'll know when I'm being rude. Your post simply begged for the madlibs treatment.

Obviously other people on this board think much more highly of Scola's NBA potential than I do. I'd love to be wrong about it.

itzsoweezee

06-17-2007, 06:44 PM

What do you want? Sign Scola and stack up power forwards that all need minutes? The Spurs most likely won't trade Duncan, Horry or Bonner this summer.

I just don't think we need to sign Scola until next season when Horry, Elson and Oberto come off the books.

Add a defensive long three and a point guard, another young guy and call it quits.

and say goodbye to any championship hopes in 2009.

itzsoweezee

06-17-2007, 06:45 PM

:lol @ Oberto's being a scoring threat. Why do you think he was open all the time?

Again, I'm fine with signing Scola -- only after taking care of our more pressing needs.

because duncan was constantly double teamed. not many teams can win with only three players on the court at any time who can score. you think the spurs can do that two years in a row? i don't think so.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 06:45 PM

and say goodbye to any championship hopes in 2009.08-09 is the season we're saving the cap space for. Who knows who could be signed then?

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 06:47 PM

because duncan was constantly double teamed. not many teams can win with only three players on the court at any time who can score. you think the spurs can do that two years in a row? i don't think so.So how much is Scola going to score per game and what is that worth the next 3-5 years?

itzsoweezee

06-17-2007, 06:50 PM

So how much is Scola going to score per game and what is that worth the next 3-5 years?

next year, probably not much. but the year after that, he's going to demand a lot of attention from the other team. spurs have to build for the future. they can draft a guard or a small forward, but they're definitely not going to get a big man with the talent of scola in the draft. and if they bring him over this year, he'll be able to put in big time minutes in 2009.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 06:51 PM

So how much is Scola going to score per game and what is that worth the next 3-5 years?

Mr.Bottomtooth

06-17-2007, 06:53 PM

:lol

itzsoweezee

06-17-2007, 07:16 PM

you tell me nostradamus

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 07:18 PM

I know you are but what am I?

itzsoweezee

06-17-2007, 07:20 PM

I know you are but what am I?

thanks for playing.

MajorMike

06-17-2007, 07:21 PM

The best thing we can do with him is trade him if Fab comes back.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 07:23 PM

thanks for playing.
So how much is Scola going to score per game and what is that worth the next 3-5 years?

Despot

06-17-2007, 08:14 PM

Well, IF Scola was in the draft this year, where do most of you think he would go?

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 08:16 PM

Well, IF Scola was in the draft this year, where do most of you think he would go?

Hmmm...best big in Europe, able to score well, probably 12-20.

smeagol

06-17-2007, 08:22 PM

Scola wold be a great addition to the Spurs just as all the Argentines that ever played for the Spurs were all great additions.

td4mvp3

06-17-2007, 08:26 PM

08-09 is the season we're saving the cap space for. Who knows who could be signed then?
whose the big fish in 08-09 to save cap for?

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 08:26 PM

whose the big fish in 08-09 to save cap for?Good question.

td4mvp3

06-17-2007, 08:28 PM

Good question.
:lol crap, i was hoping you had the answer! :spin

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 08:30 PM

My grand total for correct predictions of Spurs offseason moves stands at 0.6667.

Marcus Bryant

06-17-2007, 08:32 PM

whose the big fish in 08-09 to save cap for?

I'm not sure there is one. I think the Spurs plot their cap flexibility based on their estimation of the shelf life of the current group. 2001 was about planning for the post-DRob Spurs, along with the uncertainty surrounding TD's decision in 2000. 2003 was about life after DRob along with, again, the uncertainty about TD's future. Oddly enough, TD can opt out in '08. But if you look at how this Spurs team is constructed, Bowen's deal is up in '08 as is Horry's, Barry's, Finley's, Oberto's, etc. Of course TP and Manu are under contract past that. 2008 seems to be about the Spurs having the ability to reshape the team around the Big 3. Don't think so much about what stars the Spurs might go after but rather what solid starters they may seek out. Of course, there are no guarantees, as the Spurs' careers of Derek Anderson and Rasho Nesterovic attest. The best bet for the Spurs is to draft shrewdly, trade wisely, and seek out experienced veteran free agents with relatively cheap price tags.

td4mvp3

06-17-2007, 08:45 PM

My grand total for correct predictions of Spurs offseason moves stands at 0.6667.
actually, i can't remember a time when anyone guessed what the spurs were up to and their draft day also end up with the analysts saying "who?"

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 08:47 PM

Oh, with the draft I always say they'll try to trade up but end up trading out.

I'm right well over half the time, but that's too easy to actually count.

ChumpDumper

06-17-2007, 11:05 PM

Basically, as long as he keeps playing pro ball outside the league, the Spurs can keep his rights.

ducks

06-17-2007, 11:06 PM

Scola wold be a great addition to the Spurs just as all the Argentines that ever played for the Spurs were all great additions.
just because you are a agrentine does not make you a nba player

BeerIsGood!

06-17-2007, 11:22 PM

I'm not sure there is one. I think the Spurs plot their cap flexibility based on their estimation of the shelf life of the current group. 2001 was about planning for the post-DRob Spurs, along with the uncertainty surrounding TD's decision in 2000. 2003 was about life after DRob along with, again, the uncertainty about TD's future. Oddly enough, TD can opt out in '08. But if you look at how this Spurs team is constructed, Bowen's deal is up in '08 as is Horry's, Barry's, Finley's, Oberto's, etc. Of course TP and Manu are under contract past that. 2008 seems to be about the Spurs having the ability to reshape the team around the Big 3. Don't think so much about what stars the Spurs might go after but rather what solid starters they may seek out. Of course, there are no guarantees, as the Spurs' careers of Derek Anderson and Rasho Nesterovic attest. The best bet for the Spurs is to draft shrewdly, trade wisely, and seek out experienced veteran free agents with relatively cheap price tags.

That's what most people are missing here. With TD, TP, and Manu the Spurs aren't looking for a high priced star to add to the books in '08 but rather a mix of young and experienced talented role players whose strengths accentuate the big 3 and who will make an overall great team. Just like this season, no stars outside of the big 3, but plenty of contributors and players who perform their roles well under Championship pressure. That's going to be the key - being able to draft or sign the right people to make the mix Championship level. Granted that RC and Pop have a lot to work with and a great luxury having the big 3, but we'll see just how good they are by the choices they make for the role players that will be the difference between a Championship ball club and just a contender.

rob5

06-18-2007, 01:06 AM

That "other" board is reporting the Spurs plan to add him to the roster for 2007.
what other board?

Kori Ellis

06-18-2007, 01:08 AM

what other board?

SpursReport. They say that they have some inside scoop that he's coming to the Spurs. But then they put some restriction on it like .. unless he wants too much money :lol

Bruno

06-18-2007, 05:05 AM

Something to notice about Scola :

Scola will sign with Spurs as a draft pick and not as a FA.
FA signed during the summer can't be traded before december 15th while draft picks signed during the summer can be traded 30 days after the signing.

Even if it's quite unlikely, you can imagine a scenario where Spurs sign Scola in July and trade him in August. Teams could be more interested in Scola with a "cheap" nba contract than in Scola's rights (and not being sure to be able to get him from Tau).

whottt

06-18-2007, 05:16 AM

I can see the oncourt synergy that was apparent between Manu and Oberto at times during these playoffs, as giving the Spurs a reason to be interested in adding Scola...Manu and Oberto have been playing national ball together for years...and it showed...it showed at big times during these playoffs. The idea of adding Scola to that mix is extremely intriguing, no matter what doubts exist about his NBA ability.

Oberto's success has definitely made me more interested in Scola, inspite of what seems to be a bad attitude, and although I still think Oberto is better. After watching some of the things Manu and Oberto did within the Spurs offense, I like the idea of rolling Team Argentina(the best national team in the World) off the bench to destroy the second units of 100% of the teams in the NBA...and about 60% of the starting units as well.

Scola..Nocioni...Team Argentina(with Horry thrown in for good measure)...what have we got to lose?

Bruno

06-18-2007, 05:24 AM

Tau has made an offer to Will McDonald (an american center who plays in Spain).
It could be relating with a Scola or Splitter leaving.

Kori Ellis

06-18-2007, 05:28 AM

Tau has made an offer to Will McDonald (an american center who plays in Spain).
It could be relating with a Scola or Splitter leaving.

McDonald played on Spurs summer league in 2004. I like that guy.

Kori Ellis

06-18-2007, 05:29 AM

whottt

06-18-2007, 05:31 AM

, I like the idea of rolling Team Argentina(the best national team in the World) off the bench to destroy the second units of 100% of the teams in the NBA...and about 60% of the starting units as well.

The more I think about the idea, the more I like it. If the Spurs could pull this off, it's kind of an experiement, but on paper it would provide a kind of depth unheard of in the NBA...

You'd have the core of the best National Team in the World, supporting the core of the best Professional Team in the World...not even the 60's Celtics had that kind of depth.

The core of Team Argentina is Nocioni, Scola, Manu and Oberto(starter or not) IMO...Hermann is kind of their emotional rallying point, and I guess Sanchez and Wochiohowski(SP?) have their roles to play...but the core is that 4. That'd be awesome if the Spurs could somehow pull that off. Even if they can't get Nocioni..adding Scola still nearly complete the core.

And I think those guys playing with each other could maximize their NBA potential as well, because they know each other...I mean hell, we just won a championship with Oberto and Manu starting(Manu's the starter, he just comes off the bench)....

It's definitely a case of the sum being greater than the individual parts...

And adding the Argentina coach even increases that potential.

It works out great for Team Argentina too...their National Teqam gets extensive PT together heading into the 08 Olympics. That could give them a repeat they are not likely to get with some of their guys avoiding the regular National Tournaments.

The more I think about this idea the more I like it...but we still need a long SF no matter what...it'd be so awesome if we could get Nocioni...and he's already NBA ready.

whottt

06-18-2007, 05:37 AM

Maybe the Argentinean posters know this ...

Do Oberto and Manu like Scola?

I mean I know they like him. But are they good friends with him like they are with each other? Are they good friends with Nocioni?

I'm just curious.

I'm pretty sure Manu does like Scola...but Manu kind of likes everyone...and as the godfather of Argentine basketball, and leader of Team Arentina, he doesn't really have the luxury of disliking anyone.

Scola and Manu do play well together of that I am certain....that much was apparent when we played them in the Olympics in 04. That was the Manu and Scola show that blew team USA off the court.

Kori Ellis

06-18-2007, 05:38 AM

I'm pretty sure Manu does like Scola...but Manu kind of likes everyone...and as the godfather of Argentine basketball, and leader of Team Arentina, he doesn't really have the luxury of disliking anyone.

Scola and Manu do play well together of that I am certain....that much was apparent when we played them in the Olympics in 04. That was the Manu and Scola show that blew team USA off the court.

I know they played well together then. I'm just curious as to the personalities. I think Manu has a genuine brotherly love for Fab. I was just wondering if he's that close to guys like Scola and Nocioni.

Bruno

06-18-2007, 06:03 AM

Six years ago, Oberto, Scola and Nocioni were teammates in Tau. It could be fun to have them back in SA six years later. :smokin

objective

06-18-2007, 06:07 AM

like most people I can only go on the international games we've all seen, but it always seemed to me that if anyone wasn't particularly well liked amongst them it was Delfino.

objective

06-18-2007, 06:10 AM

Tau has made an offer to Will McDonald (an american center who plays in Spain).
It could be relating with a Scola or Splitter leaving.

according to the draftexpress guy Splitter as of now won't be in the NBA next year because he has no buyout clause.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2121

Splitter as we’ve written many times has no escape clause in his contract this summer—although negotiations are ongoing—but will be able to break his contract following the 2007/2008 season by paying a one million dollar buyout. If Splitter does not fork over the one million dollar buyout next summer, Tau has an option to extend his contract until 2012.

The New York Post erroneously wrote earlier this month that Tau Vitoria lowered his buyout to $500,000, a report that was dismissed as possessing no substance by his agent Rudoy.

Bruno

06-18-2007, 06:25 AM

McDonald coud too sign as backup and Tau plays with a Scola/Splitter/McDonald rotation at PF/C.

BTW, some newspapers have said that Scola has a $1M buyout next summer, some have said that he hasn't a buyout. Since Splitter has a $1M buyout next summer, maybe some journalists are confusing Scola and Splitter.

Dartherus

06-18-2007, 08:17 AM

I still think Oberto is better.
Could anybody post a RATIONAL, BASKETBALL KNOWLEDGE based explanation of why they think Oberto is better than Scola?

Are you aware that, with FIBA rules, and playing in stronger teams, Scola's stats, intangibles and relevance are QUITE HIGHER than what Oberto got in the same leagues (Spanish league and Euroleague)?

You can check www.acb.com and www.euroleague.net there you will find a lot of info to verify. Scola is year after year, leader of a team that gets into Euroleague Final Four, perennial MVP candidate of competitions, and even more of a lock in the starting five of such competitions, the level of performance of Oberto wasn't near.....

Yuo cold say NBA is different...ok, why is it different? because NBA IS MORE PHYSICAL, so I'd ask.....Given FIBA rules where strenght, speed and 1 on 1 habilities are FAR LESS important than in NBA, and Scola took noticeable advantage over Oberto there....

How come Scola would be in disadvantage against Oberto in a more physical league....when you know the fact that he's younger, FASTER, MORE ATHLETIC (remember the huge blcok against Jermaine ONeal if you think he has the same vertical as Oberto), with better mid-range shoot, and equal in size and Basketball IQ as Oberto?

What physical (NBA) advantage would Oberto have over Scola to make you suppose that Oberto is better suited for NBA?

Could anybody explain it to me?

and this is for everyone, not just for you, Whottt.....

PS: LEt me confirm again that I don't hate Oberto, I consider him a great, intelligent player....I ask this because I don't understand why Spurs fan fail to realize that Scola is like saying Oberto++....¿why don't you get it?

spurscenter

06-18-2007, 08:38 AM

SpursReport. They say that they have some inside scoop that he's coming to the Spurs. But then they put some restriction on it like .. unless he wants too much money :lol

spursreport ........ hahahahahahahahahaha

they cant even get the scoop on why their server is so shtty.

batman2883

06-18-2007, 08:51 AM

Scola is a beast, he is a powerfoward that plays with the same tenacity as Manu Ginobili. I am all for bringing Scola to pound the boards and post up in the paint with a little help from Timmy, Scola and Manu coming off the bench could spark an even better bench than we already have!!!! Just think of the possibilities

objective

06-18-2007, 09:03 AM

people who wonder where Scola's offensive game would fit with the Spurs should go back and watch Malik circa 2003, he got his share of post touches, even playing with Duncan or Robinson.

nkdlunch

06-18-2007, 09:20 AM

Maybe the Argentinean posters know this ...

Do Oberto and Manu like Scola?

I mean I know they like him. But are they good friends with him like they are with each other? Are they good friends with Nocioni?

I'm just curious.

I ain't argentine but...

lanacion.com

"Los tres juntos... ¡Sería increíble! Con Luis jugué tres años en Tau y otros tres lo tuve como rival. Tenemos una buena amistad y una excelente química de juego", afirmó ayer Fabricio Oberto, que seguirá otro año aquí. "Yo creo que tarde o temprano va ser un Spur", fue la diplomática respuesta de Ginóbili.

"3 of us together... It would be incredible! With Luis I played 3 years in Tau and another 3 I had him as rival. We have a great friendship and excelled game chemistry," Fabricio Oberto who will stay 1 more year with Spurssaid "I think that sooner or later he will be a Spur" was the diplomatic answer from Ginobili.

and I heard they are just as close with Nocioni. they all are childhood friends pretty much.

smeagol

06-18-2007, 10:37 AM

Bring Scola and Nocioni. An entire country will become fans of the Spurs.

ThomasGranger

06-18-2007, 10:39 AM

Bring Scola and Nocioni. An entire country will become fans of the Spurs.

It's not already?

MadDog73

06-18-2007, 03:37 PM

Well, there could be worse things than having a Gold-medal team playing NBA basketball...

Bruno

06-18-2007, 03:44 PM

I can imagine a Parker/Manu/Chapu/Scola/Oberto lineup.
If Parker start shooting the ball, Argentina will start a war with France (and France will aise the white flag in 5 minutes). :)

thousandth

06-18-2007, 03:49 PM

Could anybody post a RATIONAL, BASKETBALL KNOWLEDGE based explanation of why they think Oberto is better than Scola?

Are you aware that, with FIBA rules, and playing in stronger teams, Scola's stats, intangibles and relevance are QUITE HIGHER than what Oberto got in the same leagues (Spanish league and Euroleague)?

You can check www.acb.com and www.euroleague.net there you will find a lot of info to verify. Scola is year after year, leader of a team that gets into Euroleague Final Four, perennial MVP candidate of competitions, and even more of a lock in the starting five of such competitions, the level of performance of Oberto wasn't near.....

Yuo cold say NBA is different...ok, why is it different? because NBA IS MORE PHYSICAL, so I'd ask.....Given FIBA rules where strenght, speed and 1 on 1 habilities are FAR LESS important than in NBA, and Scola took noticeable advantage over Oberto there....

How come Scola would be in disadvantage against Oberto in a more physical league....when you know the fact that he's younger, FASTER, MORE ATHLETIC (remember the huge blcok against Jermaine ONeal if you think he has the same vertical as Oberto), with better mid-range shoot, and equal in size and Basketball IQ as Oberto?

What physical (NBA) advantage would Oberto have over Scola to make you suppose that Oberto is better suited for NBA?

Could anybody explain it to me?

and this is for everyone, not just for you, Whottt.....

PS: LEt me confirm again that I don't hate Oberto, I consider him a great, intelligent player....I ask this because I don't understand why Spurs fan fail to realize that Scola is like saying Oberto++....¿why don't you get it?

Why? Because, Oberto can play in big pressure games like games 4 against Cavs.

Scola did his disappering act again in big games against Barcelona in this playoffs of acb 2007-2008, and in the Finals Fours this year against Panathinaikos (greak team).

He played so bad this year in the big games.

I like Nocioni. NOCIONI> Scola.

Russ

06-18-2007, 09:31 PM

I can imagine a Parker/Manu/Chapu/Scola/Oberto lineup.
If Parker start shooting the ball, Argentina will start a war with France (and France will aise the white flag in 5 minutes). :)
Argentina vs. France, great matchup for soccer. Or winemaking.

But when it comes to war, Argentina vs. France -- that's like a dead heat on a Merry-Go-Round. (And that's a good thing.) :)

smeagol

06-18-2007, 10:06 PM

It's not already?
Spurs could play a couple of home games in BA.

ducks

06-18-2007, 10:10 PM

would saying he could be like boozer to a certain extent to much

spursfan4ever

06-19-2007, 12:02 AM

Scola's buy out this summer is 3 mil. I wouldnt get my hopes high yet. In the summer of 08' his buy out will only be 1 mil. Scola will probably not be a Spurs in 07-08 season if his buy out is still at 3 mil. His buy out was the same last year and as I understand, his agent and the spurs are really not in good terms after last summers debacle.

ducks

06-19-2007, 12:05 AM

scola's agent is a fucking fool
he made scola sign that fucking stupid 10 year deal

spursfan4ever

06-19-2007, 12:18 AM

scola's agent is a fucking fool
he made scola sign that fucking stupid 10 year deal

Yeah, i agree. The Spurs can only help out by paying only 500 k of that 3mil this summer. Scola will have to pay the remaining 2.5 mil for the buy out. I just dont see it happening this year because if Scola has to dish out 2.5 mil, he will probably ask the spurs to pay him something out rages to come over.

Marcus Bryant

06-19-2007, 12:28 AM

One thing to consider is that Pop has assiduously sought to keep the minutes of his starters down during the regular season (35 minutes seems to be the bar). Scola would give the Spurs a low post scorer off the bench to run against the opponents' second team bigs. As Duncan nears retirement over the next 4-5 seasons, such a player would be a nice piece to have. I can see the Spurs putting together a nice offer for Scola if they don't have a reason to use their MLE (to replace Finley or opportunistically pick up another free agent). 3 years, $15 mil with the final year partially guaranteed sounds about right.

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz

06-19-2007, 02:11 AM

Well, there could be worse things than having a Gold-medal team playing NBA basketball...
:lol imagine if they all came off the bench for us? :lol

TDMVPDPOY

06-19-2007, 02:23 AM

scola is a white version of malik rose, without the hustle on the b oards, the retro endless pumpfakes but with a offensive game

carrecaminos

06-19-2007, 06:26 AM

scola's agent is a fucking fool
he made scola sign that fucking stupid 10 year deal

A 10 years deal, when nobody thought Argentine players could play in the NBA. The Euro market was the best Argentines could go, and was a lot of money.

I am sure you don't know what is going to happen to you in ten years.

It is clear enough?

Dartherus

06-19-2007, 08:11 AM

Why? Because, Oberto can play in big pressure games like games 4 against Cavs.

Scola did his disappering act again in big games against Barcelona in this playoffs of acb 2007-2008, and in the Finals Fours this year against Panathinaikos (greak team).

He played so bad this year in the big games.

I like Nocioni. NOCIONI> Scola.
Uh, so you're saying Oberto LEADERSHIP is above what Scola had? how many extra titles got Oberto over Scola there, care to show me?

FWIW, what about the rest? where is the Basketball_knowledge_based analysis? why don't you say anything regarding the fact that Scola in FIBA Basketball (where less physical shape and a lot more intelligence is needed) Scola played waaay better? why would he play worse than Oberto in a more physical league, given the fact that he's younger, faster, more atheltic, better post moves and better mid range shooting, having the same BB IQ, rebounding and size?

Dartherus

06-19-2007, 08:13 AM

Yeah, i agree. The Spurs can only help out by paying only 500 k of that 3mil this summer. Scola will have to pay the remaining 2.5 mil for the buy out. I just dont see it happening this year because if Scola has to dish out 2.5 mil, he will probably ask the spurs to pay him something out rages to come over.
What would you do if you're a 17 year old kid, with no money, where no argentinian had gone to NBA back then, and a top euro team offers you a huge salary for european standards, in a 10 year contract?

Would you really have refused the money that would let you rest assured for the rest of your life?

MajorMike

06-19-2007, 08:15 AM

Wow. We got a powder blue fight about to erupt.

smeagol

06-19-2007, 08:18 AM

scola's agent is a fucking fool
he made scola sign that fucking stupid 10 year deal

Dude, you need to think before you post

MajorMike

06-19-2007, 08:20 AM

I'm taking smeagol. That guy bites off fingers.

ducks

06-19-2007, 08:29 AM

spurs can pay up to 750k now under the new cba
sign scola for 3 years at 9 million if not less

Bruno

06-19-2007, 09:07 AM

spurs can pay up to 750k now under the new cba

no, 500k

thousandth

06-19-2007, 10:55 AM

Uh, so you're saying Oberto LEADERSHIP is above what Scola had? how many extra titles got Oberto over Scola there, care to show me?

FWIW, what about the rest? where is the Basketball_knowledge_based analysis? why don't you say anything regarding the fact that Scola in FIBA Basketball (where less physical shape and a lot more intelligence is needed) Scola played waaay better? why would he play worse than Oberto in a more physical league, given the fact that he's younger, faster, more atheltic, better post moves and better mid range shooting, having the same BB IQ, rebounding and size?

C'mon.No kidding.Are you view his last game in ACB2007 against Barcelona or last game against Panathinaikos in Euroleage2007?
Really...bad games. :rolleyes
I'm talking about Scola, but you're talking about Kevin Garnett or Paul Gasol or... Are you talk about Scola? :rolleyes

Oberto won ACBLeague2002-3 whit Tau like started. Scola? from bench. Oberto played so well Finals World ChampionShip 2002, Scola? from bench. Oberto did guard Tim Duncan in Olympic Games 2004, Scola? from bench.

Scola is a great player, but not much better than Oberto.
His offensive is very good, but his defensive isn't decent.

I like Scola, really, I like this guy.
But NOCIONI>>>>>>>>>>Scola.

Dartherus

06-19-2007, 11:26 AM

C'mon.No kidding.Are you view his last game in ACB2007 against Barcelona or last game against Panathinaikos in Euroleage2007?
Really...bad games. :rolleyes
I'm talking about Scola, but you're talking about Kevin Garnett or Paul Gasol or... Are you talk about Scola? :rolleyes

Oberto won ACBLeague2002-3 whit Tau like started. Scola? from bench. Oberto played so well Finals World ChampionShip 2002, Scola? from bench. Oberto did guard Tim Duncan in Olympic Games 2004, Scola? from bench.

Scola is a great player, but not much better than Oberto.
His offensive is very good, but his defensive isn't decent.

I like Scola, really, I like this guy.
But NOCIONI>>>>>>>>>>Scola.
Nocioni and Oberto and Scola were teammates several years ago, remember, when Oberto was a starter and Scola a bench player, Scola was a junior and Oberto a mature player, and even then Scola stats weren't inferior to Oberto, not even i rebounding....
And Scola was also a leader of Tau ahead Nocioni, when both of them consolidated as starters....
And talking about the Olympics, Scola was practically the co-MVP with Ginobili, why did you forget to mention that? why not checking the whole olympics not just one game? Scola 25 pts 11 rebs in the final was forgotten?

Do you forget that, as happened in Tau, Scola was ahead Nocioni there also?

And again, ¿is it false that Scola has far better midrange shoot than Oberto? is it false that Scola is faster? is it far that Scola has noticeable better vertical?

Of course Scola is not Garnett regarding athelticism, but, would you deny he's faster and more athletic than Oberto?

thousandth

06-19-2007, 11:36 AM

Nocioni and Oberto and Scola were teammates several years ago, remember, when Oberto was a starter and Scola a bench player, Scola was a junior and Oberto a mature player, and even then Scola stats weren't inferior to Oberto, not even i rebounding....
And Scola was also a leader of Tau ahead Nocioni, when both of them consolidated as starters....
And talking about the Olympics, Scola was practically the co-MVP with Ginobili, why did you forget to mention that? why not checking the whole olympics not just one game? Scola 25 pts 11 rebs in the final was forgotten?

Do you forget that, as happened in Tau, Scola was ahead Nocioni there also?

And again, ¿is it false that Scola has far better midrange shoot than Oberto? is it false that Scola is faster? is it far that Scola has noticeable better vertical?

Of course Scola is not Garnett regarding athelticism, but, would you deny he's faster and more athletic than Oberto?

C'mon, guy. Are you angry?.
I said "I LIKE SCOLA" "SCOLA'S A GREAT PLAYER"But no more better than Oberto. Nothing else.
And I like so much Nocioni than Scola.
What's the thorny problem? :lol

hater

06-19-2007, 11:38 AM

whats up with the annoying bold and large font.

MajorMike

06-19-2007, 12:57 PM

Look, you guys are completely whacking out over this.

1st off... euro ball is COMPLETELY different than NBA. The season is around 20 games long start to finish. They allow you to bang much much more. This is why Scola is so valuable to his team, because he is a big brute. That is also why Fab and Manu, for example, will foul so much in silly situations. Because in euro, it is allowed.

Next, the player carrying Tau is Tiago, not Scola. Personally, I think we should dump Scola and draft Tiago. He is a monster down low, taller, younger, and more athletic than Scola. He is expected to last until late 1st round. His 7'2" wingspan and 9'1.5" standing reach would be useful. Heck, I'd also rather have the younger Gasol brother over Scola at this point, tho Tiago is supposed to be quicker than Marc.

One of the main bitches about Scola is that he is MVP-type material all reg season and then goes to sleep in the Final Four.

Mr. Body

06-19-2007, 01:02 PM

Vito Corleone

06-19-2007, 02:58 PM

When I saw Scola play the first time I couldn't find an NBA player he reminded me of, but watching Boozer play this year made me believe that Scola could make it in the NBA he has a very similar game but a more polished post game. I now believe he will be able to excel in the NBA. It's not like he is Charles Barkley/Milik Rose height trying to play the 4 spot. The only questions are can he and Tim play together and can he play defense? We won't know that until we see them play together.

Vito Corleone

06-19-2007, 03:01 PM

Scola is by far the better player over Tiago Splitter. It's not even close.

"Fab and Manu... foul so much in silly situations... in euro, it is allowed."

I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. In Europe, they get five fouls a game, not six. And given the length of the season, fouling out is much more devastating over there.

I would agree that Scola is better but Tiago is more versitle and can do more things than Scola can. defensively I don't know if Scola can defend effectively. I compare him to Boozer from Utah and he is not a very good defender. Splitter atlease looks like he has the ability to defend in the post. And yes I have read his scouting report and know he has a lot of work to do in that department.

Bruno

06-19-2007, 03:21 PM

The season is around 20 games long start to finish. They allow you to bang much much more.

Tau has had something like 70 games this year.

Bruno

06-19-2007, 03:26 PM

On spanish forums, figure given for Scola's buyout is 2M€ ($2.6M). His salary is 1.5M€ ($2M).

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-19-2007, 03:35 PM

So is he going to buy out his own contract?

GrandeDavid

06-19-2007, 03:48 PM

Bring Scola and Nocioni. An entire country will become fans of the Spurs.

With Manu and Fabricio already on the team, and having enjoyed so much success in San Antonio, I'd assume that all of Argentina already is a fan of the Spurs.

temujin

06-19-2007, 04:12 PM

Scola had a very good winter but ended up the season on low notes.
Yes, Boozer is the NBA player that reminds Scola the most.
More physical and talented offensively than Oberto, less basketball IQ.
In a Spurs system relying on TD' double coverage, he would get lots of opportunities from mid range (and make the most of them). He would also spare TD's minutes as a sub, as his low post game is very solid.
There are two ifs.
1) Defense: he would have to adapt quickly to a different system. That can be done, as defense is just a matter of will.
2) Big games. He still has to prove the he can win big games with big shots. Is this a problem for the Spurs?

Other than that, it's just matter of money.

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 04:55 PM

Other than that, it's just matter of money.

I dont think it´s a matter of money at this point.
Scola is done with Europe.He wants out of Tau,no matter what.
Tau has no other choice tham leting him go for a rasonable buyout,or He´ll just play the way He did for the last month and a half.Period
He just got the NBA on his head.There´s nothing else to do in Europe for him.

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 04:58 PM

Tau has no other choice tham leting him go for a rasonable buyout,or He´ll just play the way He did for the last month and a half.PeriodAre you saying Scola Vince Cartered Tau?

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 05:01 PM

Are you saying Scola Vince Cartered Tau?

Just put yourself on his shoes.The guy has done all that He could posibly do for Tau for many years.Even when the spurs drafted him a dacade ago,He waited and waited,and waited....

what would you do?

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 05:19 PM

what would you do?I wouldn't pull a Vince Carter.

batman2883

06-19-2007, 05:22 PM

I Would Pull A Vince Carter To Get Into The Nba

batman2883

06-19-2007, 05:23 PM

And Play For A Championship Team Right Away

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 05:24 PM

So what will he do if he doesn't like his playing time here?

The same?

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-19-2007, 05:25 PM

So what will he do if he doesn't like his playing time here?

The same?

no, because he isn't the "man" on the Spurs, and he understands that

Spurs don't have character problems with it's players, history shows that

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 05:26 PM

no, because he isn't the "man" on the Spurs, and he understands thatDoes he?
Spurs don't have character problems with it's players, history shows thatBecause they don't sign or keep players that do what you're saying Scola did.

batman2883

06-19-2007, 05:27 PM

Luis Scola Coming Off The Bench With Manu In The Same Lineup Is So Money Its Money Baby!!! How Can You Think Otherwise

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 05:29 PM

How Can You Think OtherwiseThe reported Vince Carter bitch move.

AFBlue

06-19-2007, 05:32 PM

Flawed argument by Args...

I think the answer is somewhere in-between. My guess is that Scola does want to come to the NBA, but that he wants to at least be in the rotation whenever he plays. I don't think he'll demand to start or play 30MPG, but I do think he'd ask to be a 15-20MPG guy. Given the lack of talent that the Spurs have at that position it's not impossible...but Pop might go with the proven guy who's been in the system longer. It'd be hard to wrestle away minutes from Oberto and Horry...

This is just my opinion, but I think Scola works best in SA if Horry retires and/or Oberto leaves via FA. I'm not advocating that happen, but it seems the best situation for Scola to succeed.

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 05:34 PM

I´m not saying He would pretend being sick or injured,but He wont play as his best in a place he doesn´t feel confortable anymore.I wouldn´t

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 05:35 PM

I´m not saying He would pretend being sick or injured,but He wont play as his best in a place he doesn´t feel confortable anymore.I wouldn´tSo if for any reason he doesn't feel comfortable in San Antonio, Luis Scola won't play his best.

Good to know.

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-19-2007, 05:36 PM

He would be in teh Spurs rotation

Pop won't even give Horry and decent min untill playoffs anyway, and you can't expect Bonner get regular minutes

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 05:40 PM

Why would I not expect Bonner to get any minutes? There were a couple of months last season where he averaged over 16mpg, and he'll be ahead of Scola in knowledge of the system, and he can hit 40% of his threes.

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 05:40 PM

So if for any reason he doesn't feel comfortable in San Antonio, Luis Scola won't play his best.

Good to know.

Of course.That´s called Real life chump.It´s all mental,even if you try your best,you´ll never perform at your best in a place you aren´t confortable at.
And not just in sports,on any activity in life(read:your job,your wife/girl,etc)

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 05:42 PM

Of course.That´s called Real life chump.It´s all mental,even if you try your best,you´ll never perform at your best in a place you aren´t confortable at.
And not just in sports,on any activity in life(read:your job,your wife/girl,etc)You said it was intentional. That's called a bitch move.

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-19-2007, 05:43 PM

at the end of the day he's not coming to the Spurs this season

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 05:44 PM

at the end of the day he's not coming to the Spurs this seasonGreat.

End of thread.

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-19-2007, 05:47 PM

Great.

End of thread.

if the Spurs wanted him, they would have brought him in already

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 05:49 PM

You said it was intentional. That's called a bitch move.

Where did I mention intentional?? :reading
or said something like that?

Mr.Bottomtooth

06-19-2007, 05:49 PM

at the end of the day he's not coming to the Spurs this season
Yea he is. SpursReport even said so.

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 05:51 PM

Where did I mention intentional?? :readingSo he just sucks at the most important time of the season naturallly?

I asked you straight up if he pulled a Vince Carter, which means intentionally sucking.

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 05:56 PM

So he just sucks at the most important time of the season naturallly?

There are many factors,but never said intentional.
when you don´t feel confortable at work you´d naturally dont do your work at your best,cose you just don´t like it where you work at.It´s that simple.
not saying intentionally,but naturally yes.
Like I said before,put your self on his shoes.Would you work your ass off in a job you are not confortable at??Of course not,you would just quit it and find a new one,He didn´t quit,but you can see the guy said NO MORE,THIS IS NOT FOR ME ANYMORE.

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 06:06 PM

So he pulled a bitch move.

Ok.

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 06:08 PM

You said so,not me.

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 06:09 PM

You said it was his choice to do so.
ut you can see the guy said NO MORE,THIS IS NOT FOR ME ANYMORE.That's a bitch move.

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-19-2007, 06:12 PM

There are many factors,but never said intentional.
when you don´t feel confortable at work you´d naturally dont do your work at your best,cose you just don´t like it where you work at.It´s that simple.
not saying intentionally,but naturally yes.
Like I said before,put your self on his shoes.Would you work your ass off in a job you are not confortable at??Of course not,you would just quit it and find a new one,He didn´t quit,but you can see the guy said NO MORE,THIS IS NOT FOR ME ANYMORE.

when did that happen?

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 06:13 PM

.That's a bitch move.

you know what a bitch move is?
I´ll tell you what a bitch move is..
when you quit your national team coze you just want to enjoy the summer.Like most of U.S players.
Those are quiters chump.remember that.
ohh,and don´t bring Manu.oberto and nocioni not playing for Argentina in Vegas coze aint gonna work,those guys already did their job for their national team,its time for Americans players to do their job now.

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 06:19 PM

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 06:24 PM

:lmao Change the subject much?

The action you described Scola as taking is a bitch move, plain and simple. I'm sure you were just trying to make excuses for his repeated sucking in the big games, but either way it doesn't look good for your boy.

I don't like bitch moves from American players any more than I do from foreigners. I couldn't care less about professional athletes playing for national teams and I don't blame American players for not giving a shit about them either.

never changed the subjet.I was just showing you that Scola aint no quiter like your boys are,and I wasn´t making no excuses.
The fact that Tau didn´t win the Euroleague doesnt mean Its all Scola´s fault.
it´s like saying that now that the Mavs chocked in the playoffs Dirk worths shit.That would be a stupid way of thinking,don´t you think?

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 06:31 PM

the day I give in,I´ll be 6 feet under dude.So STFU.

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 06:34 PM

never changed the subjet.I was just showing you that Scola aint no quiter like your boys are,and I wasn´t making no excuses.Actually, you agreed that Scola was exactly the same kind of quitter Vince Carter is.
The fact that Tau didn´t win the Euroleague doesnt mean Its all Scola´s fault.It doesn't mean he is blameless either.
it´s like saying that now that the Mavs chocked in the playoffs Dirk worths shit.That would be a stupid way of thinking,don´t you think?If it happens often enough and Dirk is one of the main reasons, it would be safe to say he's worth shit.

But thanks for the unsolicited insight into the reasons for Scola's actions. I found it to be very informative.

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 06:36 PM

so your saying that Dirk worths shit now????
you are really running out of arguments. :lol

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 06:37 PM

I wasn't siding with chump, I was just sayin... might as well give in and go on to something else...

that´s cool,nothing personal at all.

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 06:38 PM

I am presenting a situation in which Dirk could indeed be regarded as worth shit.

You already presented proof that Scola pulled a bitch move -- and a player only has to do that once.

Thanks again.

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 06:39 PM

Actually .If it happens often enough and Dirk is one of the main reasons, it would be safe to say he's worth shit.

You said it. :lol
And Dirk has been doing it for what?3,4 yrs?

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 06:41 PM

You said it. :lolYes, I actually presented the conditions under which it could be concluded Dirk is worth shit. That does not necessarily mean I think those conditions have been met.

If you'd like anything else explained to you, let me know.

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 06:41 PM

you´re out of arguments.
let´s just wait and see how He performs with the spurs next season.

The Go For 4

06-19-2007, 06:41 PM

Bring him in or trade him.

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 06:43 PM

you´re out of arguments.What argument? I simply expressed surprise at your report that Scola is a Vince Carter-type bitch. I never thought of him as such, but you have given me something to think about.

let´s just wait and see how He performs with the spurs next season.Yeah, you'll keep your opinions about him to yourself until then, won't you? :rolleyes

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 06:47 PM

at least my opinions are not ¨Dirk worths shit¨ :lol
Just bring something more productive to the table next time.

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 06:49 PM

at least my opinions are not ¨Dirk worths shit¨It's not my opinion either.
Just bring something more productive to the table next time.You first.

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 06:52 PM

nope,you first.

ChaCho's Nacho's

06-19-2007, 06:55 PM

bring that mofo down

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 06:55 PM

ChaCho's Nacho's

06-19-2007, 06:56 PM

Scola is going to be the best player to come out of the Euroleague ever next to Manobili of course

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-19-2007, 06:59 PM

Scola is going to be the best player to come out of the Euroleague ever next to Manobili of course

could def see that happen

but the Spurs need to make it happen

ArgSpursFan

06-19-2007, 07:20 PM

Define "productive."

Your report about Scola's bitch move raised a red flag with me, so I was very productive in expaining how such a bitch move could repeat itself if Scola became a Spur.

And your attempt to change the subject to national teams and Dirk was not productive at all. It was also a bitch move.

I never changed subjets.
you were the one that said Scola pulled a Carter
you were the one that said Dirk worths shit.
and you are the one saying Americans players aint quiters.
ALL 3 wrong.

sorry chump better luck next time.

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 07:28 PM

I never changed subjets.Sure you did.
you were the one that said Scola pulled a CarterI asked, you confirmed.
you were the one that said Dirk worths shit.Nah.
and you are the one saying Americans players aint quiters.Nah, they are quitters -- it just doesn't matter when it comes to the farce of national teams. It does matter when they quit on the teams that pay them millions of dollars to play a child's game like Vince Carter and Luis Scola did.
sorry chump better luck next time.Luck has nothing to do with it.

spursreport

06-19-2007, 07:29 PM

Define "productive."

Your report about Scola's bitch move raised a red flag with me, so I was very productive in expaining how such a bitch move could repeat itself if Scola became a Spur.

And your attempt to change the subject to national teams and Dirk was not productive at all. It was also a bitch move.

Question why are the Hawks under your favorite team? Is it to mock their owner ship or did you lose a bet?

ChumpDumper

06-19-2007, 07:30 PM

Question why are the Hawks under your favorite team? Is it to mock their owner ship or did you lose a bet?Someone has to be a fan.

spursreport

06-19-2007, 07:34 PM

Someone has to be a fan.

:lol :lol Gotcha

AFBlue

06-19-2007, 10:32 PM

Someone has to be a fan.

I'm a fan of the Hawks, just not of Billy Knight. What a god-awful mess this man has created...the most mocked team in all of basketball, maybe all of sports.

Manu'sMagicalLeftHand

06-19-2007, 11:26 PM

Why people talk this much without knowing shit?

Amazing what the offseason can do.

Scola won't pull a Vince Carter. He feels that he has given the club all he could, and he is surely frustrated, because since the season that he is TAU's main offensive weapon, they have been always very close to winning but failed for various reasons. He said he wants to play in the NBA, but if he stays in Tau, he will give 100% for the club, until next summer when his contract runs out and he can sign as a free agent. He said to the Tau board that he wants out now, because that would mean playing for the Spurs, the team that drafted him when he wasn't what he is now, and finally reaching his dream of playing in the NBA.

Next:
- Scola's deal with TAU was signed by his father when he was underage to sign contracts. It was offered when TAU knew Scola had some potential, but no one, even Scola himself, figured out that he was going to be drafted by an NBA team, be the best PF in Europe and Olympic Gold Medal winner.

- Scola has just turned 27 in April.

- The European season isn't 20 games long. Specially not for a team like TAU. They play the Spanish League regular season and playoffs, the Copa del Rey, and the Euroleague regular season and Final 4. That's about 65 games per season.

- Splitter in not carrying TAU in anyway. He is a defensive enforcer, who crashes hard the boards, with physical presence who has to work a lot on his shot if he wants to fit in the NBA.

- Scola "choking" isn't his fault only. He is a good sidekick, like he was in the Argentina National Team when all the FIBA zonal defenses couldn't collapse on him because of Manu, Oberto, Nocioni, etc, and the FLEX OFFENSE. All what TAU seem to know to do with Scola is pick-and-roll and post him up. In the NBA, he wouldn't have to face those collapsed zonal defenses with triple defense on him. Those who doubt his wingspan, he has faced defenders as tall as 6'11'' or even 7'0'' with TAU and Argentina and scored over them. Two words that might sound familiar: footwork and fundamentals.

- Manu and Oberto are from a different generation of the Argentina National Team than Scola. That's why they aren't exactly "friends", but they get along very well.

- In Spanish baskteball forums, the rumour is that TAU will accept Scola leaving this summer for a percentage of his buyout. They preffer that to see him walking away for free next year.

I've said (punches the table -Pop style-)

Marcus Bryant

06-19-2007, 11:29 PM

- In Spanish baskteball forums, the rumour is that TAU will accept Scola leaving this summer for a percentage of his buyout. They preffer that to see him walking away for free next year.

Makes sense.

AFBlue

06-20-2007, 06:09 AM

RADECK

06-20-2007, 06:54 AM

Kamnik

06-20-2007, 07:17 AM

What about PAPALOUKAS's teammate:

SMODIS, MATJAZ
Team: CSKA
Height: 2.05
Born: 1979
Nationality: Slovenia
Number: 8

Min - 24:34
Pts - 12.9
2FG - 55.6%
3FG - 42% 34/81 this year in Euroleague
RPG - 3.8

Plays both forward positions in Europe, but prefers playing small forward on offense and power forward on defense.

Could fit to Spurs and his price is much lower than Scola's, and they are both top forwards in the league.http://www.euroleague.net/resourceserver/4700/d65c5824-e1ca-4139-bf72-e1b1f465110e/df12ca1a44e2b274952a410372a016b4/cl/en-US/filename/d65c5824-e1ca-4139-bf72-e1b1f465110e.jpg

MATJAZ SMODIS (http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/9025/180/euroleague-basketball-february-mvp-matjaz-smodis-cska?smid=277)

agreed

in my opinion this guy is a better player than the likes of Garbajosa, Nachbar, Oberto etc (not counting the great playoff run Oberto had)

his only real problem is his health at times (back issues); but he is tough mentally and phisically

he would possibly be a great addition for a team like Spurs

ArgSpursFan

06-20-2007, 07:19 AM

MajorMike

06-20-2007, 08:32 AM

- The European season isn't 20 games long. Specially not for a team like TAU. They play the Spanish League regular season and playoffs, the Copa del Rey, and the Euroleague regular season and Final 4. That's about 65 games per season.

- Splitter in not carrying TAU in anyway. He is a defensive enforcer, who crashes hard the boards, with physical presence who has to work a lot on his shot if he wants to fit in the NBA.

- In Spanish baskteball forums, the rumour is that TAU will accept Scola leaving this summer for a percentage of his buyout. They preffer that to see him walking away for free next year.

The Euroleague session is only a handful of games long. There are the lesser regional sessions, or 'seasons', like the Spanish Cup, but they are not the Euroleague competition.

Splitter has better stats, more rebounds, less fouls and just as many points, and therefore a higher ranking as the euros do it, than Scola and in less minutes. In the final four, Tiago had 3 less points on 3 less shots more rebounds and 5 less fouls than Scola. Scola was actually the 3rd highest ranked player on the team.

I don't know if people realize he isn't that tall. He's only 6'9 on a good day.

batman2883

06-20-2007, 08:35 AM

I love Argentina!!!!!

Bruno

06-20-2007, 08:42 AM

Another reason for Tau to let Scola go this summer is that they take the risk, if they keep him, to see him going to a spanish rival in 2008. Madrid's GM, Vlade Divac, is very interested in Scola.

ArgSpursFan

06-20-2007, 09:07 AM

yeah,Divac has been asking about Oberto´s future too.

Manu'sMagicalLeftHand

06-20-2007, 11:32 AM

The Euroleague session is only a handful of games long. There are the lesser regional sessions, or 'seasons', like the Spanish Cup, but they are not the Euroleague competition.

Splitter has better stats, more rebounds, less fouls and just as many points, and therefore a higher ranking as the euros do it, than Scola and in less minutes. In the final four, Tiago had 3 less points on 3 less shots more rebounds and 5 less fouls than Scola. Scola was actually the 3rd highest ranked player on the team.

I don't know if people realize he isn't that tall. He's only 6'9 on a good day.

But Tau's season is not only about the Euroleague. The three competitions are important for the club, they represent major trophies that mean a big financial income for the club in the form of TV rights, ticket sales and prize money. The Euroleague is the biggest of the three, but Tau plays their starters in all the competitions. This last season, between the three competitions, they played exactly 68 official competitive matches (not counting friendlies or exhibitions.). The Copa del Rey and the Spanish League playoffs aren't walks in the park, there are good teams like Unicaja, Barcelona and Real Madrid among others.

And I don't agree with Splitter at all. You are just grabbing a determined range of games (the vast amount of 2 out of 68) where Scola was double and tripled marked in the post and Splitter was left alone under the basket (because that is his impressive shooting range) many times. And without Scola the team wouldn't even have reached the Final Four or the Spanish League semi-finals. I see Splitter as a rich man's Marc Gasol, that is a hard nosed defender, who crashes the boards hard and plays very good for the team. He usually scores from offensive rebounds, but he can't create his own shot, for him, to shoot from the free throw line is like a half-court 3 pointer.

The problem came from outside. When Scola has 3 defenders collapsing, and he dishes out, he has:

- A point guard who doesn't know how to shoot, only passes (Prigioni).
- Shooters who are afraid to shoot or constantly airball in crunch time (Rakocevic, Vidal, Planicic, Erdogan).
- A foward that should have helped more (Roe).
- A hustler, who gets his points from rebounds, but can't create them (Splitter).
- A good foward like Teletovic who wasn't used.

And like I said before, the coach only designs two plays for Scola, pick-n-roll and "throw the ball into the post for him, let 3 defenders grab him and dish it out, no it doesn't matter our shooters are 0 for 78 this night".

The point is: Scola wants to play for the Spurs right now. Tau preffers to get a percentage out of his buyout now rather than nothing next year. He would be a good addition to the Spurs, but, as Oberto, he will need time to adapt. He could bring offensive relief for Timmy in the post when the other team doubles TD, denies the penetration to Manu and Tony, and the 3 pointers aren't falling. As Oberto, he makes good basket cuts and baseline runs. His defense and rebounding are a bit worse than Oberto's ('tho he jumps higher than him). But he understands the game, is always in a good position, and specially, plays at his best when he isn't his team main offensive choice.

Mr. Body

06-20-2007, 11:36 AM

CaptMike was the lone Tiago Splitter vote for Euroleague MVP.

Dartherus

06-20-2007, 02:37 PM

But Tau's season is not only about the Euroleague. The three competitions are important for the club, they represent major trophies that mean a big financial income for the club in the form of TV rights, ticket sales and prize money. The Euroleague is the biggest of the three, but Tau plays their starters in all the competitions. This last season, between the three competitions, they played exactly 68 official competitive matches (not counting friendlies or exhibitions.). The Copa del Rey and the Spanish League playoffs aren't walks in the park, there are good teams like Unicaja, Barcelona and Real Madrid among others.

And I don't agree with Splitter at all. You are just grabbing a determined range of games (the vast amount of 2 out of 68) where Scola was double and tripled marked in the post and Splitter was left alone under the basket (because that is his impressive shooting range) many times. And without Scola the team wouldn't even have reached the Final Four or the Spanish League semi-finals. I see Splitter as a rich man's Marc Gasol, that is a hard nosed defender, who crashes the boards hard and plays very good for the team. He usually scores from offensive rebounds, but he can't create his own shot, for him, to shoot from the free throw line is like a half-court 3 pointer.

The problem came from outside. When Scola has 3 defenders collapsing, and he dishes out, he has:

- A point guard who doesn't know how to shoot, only passes (Prigioni).
- Shooters who are afraid to shoot or constantly airball in crunch time (Rakocevic, Vidal, Planicic, Erdogan).
- A foward that should have helped more (Roe).
- A hustler, who gets his points from rebounds, but can't create them (Splitter).
- A good foward like Teletovic who wasn't used.

And like I said before, the coach only designs two plays for Scola, pick-n-roll and "throw the ball into the post for him, let 3 defenders grab him and dish it out, no it doesn't matter our shooters are 0 for 78 this night".

The point is: Scola wants to play for the Spurs right now. Tau preffers to get a percentage out of his buyout now rather than nothing next year. He would be a good addition to the Spurs, but, as Oberto, he will need time to adapt. He could bring offensive relief for Timmy in the post when the other team doubles TD, denies the penetration to Manu and Tony, and the 3 pointers aren't falling. As Oberto, he makes good basket cuts and baseline runs. His defense and rebounding are a bit worse than Oberto's ('tho he jumps higher than him). But he understands the game, is always in a good position, and specially, plays at his best when he isn't his team main offensive choice.
Great post, I hope normal fans begin to understand key concepts of euro basketball, or how FIBA rules are quite harder for dominant inside players when your perimeter is choking (ask Duncan about this).

It's awesome how they don't get it that Scola is like saying Oberto++, same basketball IQ, same or better rebound avg in Europe, same size, but 5 years younger, faster and more athletic.

Spurs fans, Oberto is a great intelligent player, I like him a lot, persons with knowledge of euro bball are just telling you to realize how Scola is an improved version of Fabricio.

coopdogg3

06-20-2007, 02:45 PM

thousandth

06-20-2007, 02:50 PM

Can Scola play center in the NBA? Oberto is only 6' 9" as well, maybe 6' 10" max. If we go small, and Duncan needs a rest, could Scola play center? Is there a big weight difference between Oberto and Scola?

Scola 6-9 (2,05cm)

Oberto 6-10 (2,08cm) Horry 6-10 Butler 6-10 Bonner 6-10 (Mohammed 6-10 :lol )

Duncan 6-11 (2,11cm)

Elson 7 (2,13cm)

Scola's not a center but played excellent like little power foward. He's a better in this position in all Euroleague.

Spurs Dynasty 21

06-20-2007, 03:47 PM

Scola could be like a Boozer of the bench

Man Mountain

06-21-2007, 04:25 AM

I was listening to the DraftExpress podcast and a Bulls fan emailed in asking about trading their 9th pick for Scola!!:lol

I'd do that trade in a second. Is there any way that is a legit trade?

Dartherus

06-22-2007, 09:14 AM

I was listening to the DraftExpress podcast and a Bulls fan emailed in asking about trading their 9th pick for Scola!!:lol

I'd do that trade in a second. Is there any way that is a legit trade?
Why the laugh? Let me ask you a question, ¿Are you aware that #9 of draft 2006 was Patrick O'Bryant?

Do you think Patrick is a better player than Oberto? Would he had contributed more?

How about a player that compared to Oberto, has the same size, fundamentals and basketball IQ, but 5 years younger, much better midrange shoot, faster and more athetic?

Are you really sure that it's a lock that the number #9 of any draft will get you a better player than an improved version of Oberto?

pad300

06-22-2007, 09:30 AM

Why the laugh? Let me ask you a question, ¿Are you aware that #9 of draft 2006 was Patrick O'Bryant?

Do you think Patrick is a better player than Oberto? Would he had contributed more?

How about a player that compared to Oberto, has the same size, fundamentals and basketball IQ, but 5 years younger, much better midrange shoot, faster and more athetic?

Are you really sure that it's a lock that the number #9 of any draft will get you a better player than an improved version of Oberto?

#9 for Scola is legal by the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

However, Scott Skiles (Bulls GM) is not an idiot. Scola is not generally considered to be anywhere near as valuable as #9 pick in this draft...

Mr. Body

06-22-2007, 09:32 AM

Still, in the podcast, Givony seems to get a lot of contract information about Scola wrong - saying his buyout is $9 million, he doesn't look to be coming over any time soon (when he only has one more year on his contract), etc. Frustrating from a guy who should know better.

AFBlue

06-22-2007, 09:35 AM

Why the laugh? Let me ask you a question, ¿Are you aware that #9 of draft 2006 was Patrick O'Bryant?

Do you think Patrick is a better player than Oberto? Would he had contributed more?

How about a player that compared to Oberto, has the same size, fundamentals and basketball IQ, but 5 years younger, much better midrange shoot, faster and more athetic?

Are you really sure that it's a lock that the number #9 of any draft will get you a better player than an improved version of Oberto?

In this draft, #9 gets you a shot at the following players:

Corey Brewer
Jeff Green
Julian Wright
Al Thornton
Thaddeus Young

All of which are the Spurs' dream answer for athletic, long 3 and could play the small-ball 4 (maybe Brewer as exception). Three of which (Green, Brewer, and Thornton) would be ready to play right now, and two of which have the some of the highest potential of anyone in this draft (Wright and Young).

Yeah....I'd take that deal!

No kidding.... :lol

Dartherus

06-22-2007, 09:46 AM

In this draft, #9 gets you a shot at the following players:

Corey Brewer
Jeff Green
Julian Wright
Al Thornton
Thaddeus Young

All of which are the Spurs' dream answer for athletic, long 3 and could play the small-ball 4 (maybe Brewer as exception). Three of which (Green, Brewer, and Thornton) would be ready to play right now, and two of which have the some of the highest potential of anyone in this draft (Wright and Young).

Yeah....I'd take that deal!

No kidding.... :lol
Reading you it would seem that year after year great players come at the #9 of the draft, when RESULTS don't support such issue.
Think about star level euro players lately, Oberto was way below Scola in Europe stardom, Nocioni, Charlie Bell or Garbajosa slightly behind, Anthony Parker at his level....

My question is, checking latest RESULTS with players outcome...would you be so sure that a #9 of the draft has more chance to becoming a better contributor than an Euroleague superstar?

Wich was the latest real contributor coming from #9.... Igoudala? have you checked the rest? aren't crappy players the majority? will you deny that?

Mr. Body

06-22-2007, 09:55 AM

Dartherus

06-22-2007, 10:09 AM

Recent #9 Picks:

2006 - Patrick O'Bryant
2005 - Ike Diogu
2004 - Andre Iguodala
2003 - Mike Sweetney (!)
2002 - Amare Stoudamire
2001 - Rodney White (!)
2000 - Joel Przybilla

You have two stars/superstars in a mix of crap. Too bad, those odds would encourage the Bulls to keep the pick, especially in a good draft.
I guess you're right, several stars from time to time (in the midle of crap players the other years) would make the odd against the spurs, despite Scola being more NBA ready.

What could Spurs negotiate is that Bulls don't need another SF as they need an inside Scorer (Scola and inside scoring are synonyms)...so, if the Bulls won't trade #9 directly, Spurs could include something extra in the package (Spurs first round pick, an interesting bench player), to make the deal happen, ¿don't you think?

Mr. Body

06-22-2007, 10:14 AM

Honestly, no, I don't think there's any way to pry the #9 from Chicago.

ArgSpursFan

06-22-2007, 10:19 AM

I guess you're right, several stars from time to time (in the midle of crap players the other years) would make the odd against the spurs, despite Scola being more NBA ready.

What could Spurs negotiate is that Bulls don't need another SF as they need an inside Scorer (Scola and inside scoring are synonyms)...so, if the Bulls won't trade #9 directly, Spurs could include something extra in the package (Spurs first round pick, an interesting bench player), to make the deal happen, ¿don't you think?

That way we go back to the Nocioni for Scola+someone else scenario.

wildbill2u

06-22-2007, 01:23 PM

I love Argentina!!!!!
I don't give a shit what you say, but post more often. I'm an ass man too.:oink

Bruno

06-22-2007, 02:57 PM

For a futur hypothetical Nocioni for Scola trade, it will be interesting to see who Bulls draft. If they draft Noah, they should be more interested in Scola than if they draft Yi.

AFBlue

06-22-2007, 03:00 PM

For a futur hypothetical Nocioni for Scola trade, it will be interesting to see who Bulls draft. If they draft Noah, they should be more interested in Scola than if they draft Yi.

Agreed, this will be a plot-line to follow as the draft approaches.

A snag in the Nocioni to Spurs hypothetical is the Bulls' interest in Kobe Bryant and the possiblity that Nocioni is a likely candidate to be included in any deals for a superstar player...be it Kobe, Garnett, Gasol, O'Neal, etc.

Bruno

06-22-2007, 03:03 PM

I don't see at all Bulls getting a superstar this summer. Their owner is quite cheap and these players are really expensive.

Mr. Body

06-22-2007, 03:30 PM

No matter if Chicago drafts Yi or Noah, they should still be interested in Scola. Back when they were horning in on Hawes (before Minnesota looked like they'd take him), I still thought they needed two post scorers, since neither Hawes nor Scola would be proven yet.

But yes, a draft of Noah makes a deal for Scola more likely.

texasqb2

06-22-2007, 04:33 PM

Agreed, this will be a plot-line to follow as the draft approaches.

A snag in the Nocioni to Spurs hypothetical is the Bulls' interest in Kobe Bryant and the possiblity that Nocioni is a likely candidate to be included in any deals for a superstar player...be it Kobe, Garnett, Gasol, O'Neal, etc.

Nocioni can pick anywhere he wants to go if he is traded. They can't just sign and trade him, he has to agree to the deal first.

AFBlue

06-22-2007, 04:56 PM

Nocioni can pick anywhere he wants to go if he is traded. They can't just sign and trade him, he has to agree to the deal first.

He's a restricted free agent. All they technically have to do is sign him to a qualifying offer and he's on the hook. But I think if they give him adequate compensation, he won't complain.

mrsprinkles

06-23-2007, 06:20 PM

I would love to have this be the year the Spurs land Scola, but given the Spurs tradition of extreme fiscal responsibility, I think they either try to deal his rights or wait until next year when the buyout price comes down.

UNLESS...

...the Suns land Garnett without having to give up Amare. Or Dallas somehow lands Kobe (which I admit is extremely unlikely).

In the case of either of those things happening, the Spurs would have to make a move to get Scola over here now, and/or find some other help (prying Duhon and Nocioni away from Chicago, signing Gerald Wallace, etc.). Otherwise they can kiss a shot at the 2008 ring goodbye.

T Park

06-23-2007, 06:30 PM

the Spurs would have to make a move to get Scola over here now, and/or find some other help (prying Duhon and Nocioni away from Chicago, signing Gerald Wallace, etc.). Otherwise they can kiss a shot at the 2008 ring goodbye

did some other teams do something already to make themselves better?

Link to that?

Solid D

06-23-2007, 06:39 PM

did some other teams do something already to make themselves better?

Link to that?

The Rockets made a move and got Mike James. The Trophy is practically theirs, now.

:smokin

ArgSpursFan

06-23-2007, 06:50 PM

I think He´s asuming that Garnett & Kobe will be landing in Phx and Dallas,which I highly doubt.

mrsprinkles

06-23-2007, 07:12 PM

I'm saying the Spurs would have to make a move IF something like the Garnett-to-Phoenix or Kobe-to-Dallas thing happened. IF

Granted, if everyone in the Western conference just stands pat then the Spurs look like the favorite for next year.

I was just trying to come up with a situation in which the Spurs would spring for the Scola buyout this year.

tempest186

06-23-2007, 10:52 PM

The Spurs can't pay the whole buyout anyway. Scola has to work that out and last year was looking for more money from the Spurs to pay it himself. If the buyout has indeed gone down and Tau may be willing to work out something more for him then Scola may be more willing to accept a smaller contract with the Spurs.

objective

06-24-2007, 12:32 AM

an update from draft express today (i know the guy has been wrong about his buyout numbers but here is some different news)

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2134

Teams thinking about trading a draft pick on Wednesday for Luis Scola should know that he is mulling over a 5-year contract offer for a ridiculous sum of 10 million Euros. After calculating taxes and the exchange rate, we figure Scola will be essentially signing a deal for the mid-level Exception if he indeed decides to take it. That just gives you an idea of how much ground European teams have made up on the NBA in their ability to compete financially over the past few years. Scola reportedly loves playing in Spain and is a long-shot to ever make it over to the NBA.

more fuel to the fire that is Scola. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Scola does a re-up for the cash. He turned it down before, but now sounds like he's gotten a better offer. Why sit around another year hoping the Spurs trade his rights when he can get paid now? It's not like the Spurs have ever looked to do him any favors, and given his and his agent's toxic statements in the past, people shouldn't be surprised if he ends up destroying whatever value his draft rights have.

Mr. Body

06-24-2007, 12:44 AM

objective

06-24-2007, 12:50 AM

considering how highly (relatively) Givony has spoken of Scola in the past, I would guess the 'ridiculous' part of his statement reflects his astonishment at how high euro-contracts have risen.

Slinkyman

06-24-2007, 12:53 AM

Of course Scola should consider contract offers. There's absolutely no promise the Spurs will let an NBA team bring him over anytime soon. And why the hell does Givony think a 5 year deal for 10 million Euros is 'ridiculous'?

yeah i don't get how it's ridiculous, 10 million euros = 13.4 million dollars. That's 2.7 million usd per year. does anyone know if taxes in europe are higher or lower then in america?

objective

06-24-2007, 12:58 AM

supposedly the numbers posted news accounts of euro contracts are all NET, that is, after taxes.

Mr. Body

06-24-2007, 01:04 AM

yeah i don't get how it's ridiculous, 10 million euros = 13.4 million dollars. That's 2.7 million usd per year. does anyone know if taxes in europe are higher or lower then in america?

I don't know. Givony's been saying some pretty silly stuff about Scola lately.

Bruno

06-24-2007, 04:04 AM

I take what comes from Draftexpress with a big grain of salt.
It's a quite good site with a lot of info but they aren't realiable.
They rally lack of a journalist work ethic.

TDMVPDPOY

06-24-2007, 07:25 AM

2.7after taxes?

MLE IN TEXAS income tax exempt :D:D:D ftw

Marcus Bryant

06-24-2007, 09:32 AM

Of course Scola should consider contract offers. There's absolutely no promise the Spurs will let an NBA team bring him over anytime soon. And why the hell does Givony think a 5 year deal for 10 million Euros is 'ridiculous'?

Maybe he confused the $ to ₤ rate with the $ to € rate. Even then, that would be $20mil/5yrs which isn't close to what a full MLE contract over that time period would be.

ducks

06-24-2007, 09:33 AM

if butler is on the block scola may be a spur

kyleo

06-24-2007, 10:17 AM

He doesn't even reference a source. This is probably a third-hand rumor, or floated by Scola's agent.

Spurs Brazil

06-24-2007, 10:19 AM

I have a very good friend, he's a Mavs fan, but still a good friend that works here in Bandeirantes radio, a big Brazil radio.

Last week he interviewed Tiago Splitter about the draft. He asked him about Scola and Tiago said that he didn't think Scola would go to the NBA next season. Tiago said Scola is doing very good in Spain and fans and Tau respect him a lot.

He said Scola doesn't have the 'dream' to play in NBA

Tiago also said that it will be dificult for him to come to NBA next season because of his contracts problems with Tau but he hopes he can be selected in the 1st round

AnotherArgie

06-24-2007, 02:18 PM

I just hope Scola doesn't become another Bodiroga.

Money316

06-24-2007, 02:35 PM

Aggie Hoopsfan

06-25-2007, 12:32 PM