With all the Surrender Monkeying in...

[Yonivore]

...Congress, we almost missed talking about the abysmal failure of Gore's Live Earth!

The folks over at The Corner (http://corner.nationalreview.com/) offer some insightful explanations for the failure of the so-called "Live Earth" concert to take off this weekend. The ratings were terrible, it cost too much to produce and, ironically, used too much energy and produced more greenhouse gases than the annual yield of some countries. Jonah Goldberg (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjUxZGM1MDRmMGIzNDlmMzYwZjI5ZDU2YmRmZjBiYjc=) linked to this witty explanation (http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/2007/07/10/dean-martin-didnt-play-woodstock/):


the folks at "Live" Earth were barely alive. It was all music from really old guys and gals. And it was put together by a former Vice President. How many ways are there to bore your kids to death? Imagine, he notes, if Woodstock had been organized by Hubert Humphrey!
I've come to a conclusion. I'll start acting like global climate change is a crisis when those who are telling me global climate change is a crisis start acting like global climate change is a crisis.

[clambake]

Have you filed that lawsuit yet?

[PixelPusher]

Man, Yoni's going apeshit with all these new threads, he's putting Nbadan and Boutons to shame!

It's been a rough these past 2 weeks for the Bushbots.

[Nbadan]

Yoni is no Reagan Republican....

[boutons_]

Yoni is rat on dubya's sinking ship. Yoni is frantic as hell that he is being discredited for believing and hyping all of dubya's and dickhead's lies.

[Yonivore]

Yoni is no Reagan Republican....
Never claimed to be.

[clambake]

Yoni is no Reagan Republican....

Let's see.......Yoni is a racist, he's in law enforcement but thinks his party is above the law, he thinks God sent us Bush as a Divine Savior.

What kind of republican is that?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm still trying fo figure out why the 'abysmal' ratings for this concert are relevent? For that matter is this thread relevent?

[clambake]

I'm still trying fo figure out why the 'abysmal' ratings for this concert are relevent? For that matter is this thread relevent?
I could answer that question if I didn't have you on ignore.

[Yonivore]

I'm still trying fo figure out why the 'abysmal' ratings for this concert are relevent? For that matter is this thread relevent?
Well, let me see if I can help you out.

Algore is a former politician of some notoriety -- you may or may not agree, who knows.

Algore is (and has been for some time now) screaming, at the top of his lungs, that we're headed for a existential man-made calamity caused by anthropogenic global climate change.

Much of the mouth-breathers on left have jumped on Algore's "man-is-causing-global-climate-change" wagon and have, too, joined the cacophony of noise we have all come to know and love as the religion of Global Climate Change.

So, here we have Algore, the high priest of this church, organizing a 7 continent (well, I doubt there was much of a carbon footprint in Antartica), so, organizing a 6 continent "aren't-we-environmentally-conscious" love fest that probably produced more greenhouse gases, used more energy, and emitted more pollutants than -- by some estimates -- the same by a country the size of Afghanistan.

And he did all this for nothing...nobody watched.

That's why it's relevant.

Again, I'll start acting like global climate change is a crisis when those who are telling me global climate change is a crisis start acting like global climate change is a crisis. I'd recommend this credo to everyone.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I could answer that question if I didn't have you on ignore.


Ok. Ignore my post then.

[clambake]

Ok. Ignore my post then.
I think I'll just ignore certain parts of your post, like everyother word or something.

Yoni has no creativity.

[Yonivore]

I'm still trying fo figure out why the 'abysmal' ratings for this concert are relevent? For that matter is this thread relevent?
Did I help you out any -- vis a vis relevancy?

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think I'll just ignore certain parts of your post, like everyother word or something.

Yoni has no creativity.


No that's ok keep me on ignore.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Did I help you out any -- vis a vis relevancy?


Well that's certainly a stretch but I seem to think you will always find something negative to say about Democrats in general.

[johnsmith]

So this is how the forum works now?

A "liberal" starts a thread on something and every other liberal chimes in with their bashing of everything on the right.

A "conservative" starts a thread on something and every other liberal chimes in with attacks on said conservative.


Ok, got it.

[johnsmith]

I think I'll just ignore certain parts of your post, like everyother word or something.

Yoni has no creativity.


Yeah, unlike your fearless leader Boutons, he's Mr. Creativity.

"Dickless, twerp, Repug, Dickhead, etc".

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yeah, unlike your fearless leader Boutons, he's Mr. Creativity.

"Dickless, twerp, Repug, Dickhead, etc".


I do agree. My ears hurt when I read through bouton's posts.

[johnsmith]

I am a little curious about the "global warming is caused by man" group and their opinion on this Live-Earth stuff.


Seems a touch hypocritical to me.

[clambake]

I do agree. My ears hurt when I read through bouton's posts.
Boutons is very bright. Just needs to adjust the volume on his delivery.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Boutons is very bright. Just needs to adjust the volume on his delivery.


Am I on ignore again? seriouly though i've never put anyone on ignore does that mean you don't see their posts?

in regards to boutons his messages he would be better received if he used less confrontational lagnuage. anyway my 2 cents.. I don't approve calling anyone names (except on occasion when yoni deserves it).

[johnsmith]

Boutons is very bright. Just needs to adjust the volume on his delivery.

Oh, no doubt, you can tell just by this quote here:


dubya and dickhead have way too many, and continue to lie, that most serious Americans simply don't believe dubya and dickhead anymore.




I've also noticed that he talks about "dicks" alot.

I dunno, seems kind of gay...........not that there is anything wrong with that.

[johnsmith]

Am I on ignore again? seriouly though i've never put anyone on ignore does that mean you don't see their posts?

in regards to boutons his messages he would be better received if he used less confrontational lagnuage. anyway my 2 cents.. I don't approve calling anyone names (except on occasion when yoni deserves it).


No, you're not.


Back to the original subject though, what do you guys think about Al Gore's hypocrisy?

[Yonivore]

Well that's certainly a stretch but I seem to think you will always find something negative to say about Democrats in general.
Why is it a stretch?

I took 3 easy steps to relevancy for you.

1) Algore (political element);

2) throws a party with a HUGE carbon footprint for all anthropogenic climate change myrmidons and nobody's interested (topic of political interest); and,

3) the irony is ignored by the press, (another favorite of mine -- a slanted press).

What's the stretch? I hit the trifecta of liberal hypocrisy.

[clambake]

I am a little curious about the "global warming is caused by man" group and their opinion on this Live-Earth stuff.


Seems a touch hypocritical to me.
Celebrities need to use transportation that will afford them a certain amount of protection. (if that's what you mean by hypocritical)

When they say " caused by man" they're including themselves.

If Bush didn't use the same kind of transportation, he'd be a dead man.

[johnsmith]

Celebrities need to use transportation that will afford them a certain amount of protection. (if that's what you mean by hypocritical)

When they say " caused by man" they're including themselves.

If Bush didn't use the same kind of transportation, he'd be a dead man.


What about all the energy used up by putting on 6 different concerts around the globe?

Was that to make sure that they wasted energy throughout the entire world rather then just a centralized location like most concerts do?

[Yonivore]

Am I on ignore again? seriouly though i've never put anyone on ignore does that mean you don't see their posts?

in regards to boutons his messages he would be better received if he used less confrontational lagnuage. anyway my 2 cents.. I don't approve calling anyone names (except on occasion when yoni deserves it).
That's okay, I can take it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Why is it a stretch?

I took 3 easy steps to relevancy for you.

1) Algore (political element);

2) throws a party with a HUGE carbon footprint for all anthropogenic climate change myrmidons and nobody's interested (topic of political interest); and,

3) the irony is ignored by the press, (another favorite of my -- a slanted press).

What's the stretch?


That's a stretch.

I guess I could make the claim that 9/11 and the war on aren't related to the war in Iraq

1. Al-qaeda attacked us on 9/11
2. Taliban harbored al-qaeda and leadership in afghanistan
3. we invade afghanistan
4. bush invades iraq under the guise of the war on terror and 9/11

to me this is a HUGE stretch

[clambake]

Boutons is referring to Dick Cheney. C'mon John, I agree with his need for delivery adjustment.

[johnsmith]

That's a stretch.

I guess I could make the claim that 9/11 and the war on aren't related to the war in Iraq

1. Al-qaeda attacked us on 9/11
2. Taliban harbored al-qaeda and leadership in afghanistan
3. we invade afghanistan
4. bush invades iraq under the guise of the war on terror and 9/11

to me this is a HUGE stretch


So let me get this straight, Al Gore and the rest of the "global warming" folks put on a giant concert that isn't watched by hardly anyone, accomplishes next to nothing, pollutes the entire planet, and wastes enough energy to power Wisconsin, and everyone is going to avoid it and move back to the Iraq stuff?


Got it.

Since we're changing the subject, who do you guys like for next year's Super Bowl?

[johnsmith]

Boutons is referring to Dick Cheney. C'mon John, I agree with his need for delivery adjustment.

Alright, fine, I'm done with that stuff for today.





On a side note, I'm not accomplishing anything at work today. Good for me.

[Yonivore]

First. No, clambake, you're not off ignore. I just couldn't resist responding because, in all fairness, you raise a couple of good points.


Celebrities need to use transportation that will afford them a certain amount of protection. (if that's what you mean by hypocritical)
What's wrong with an environmentally conscious concert where the celebrities perform via satellite from their environmentally-friendly homes?

I know the technology exists.


When they say " caused by man" they're including themselves.
We know, it's the excluding themselves from doing any of the things they admonish you and I to do that is the hypocrisy.


If Bush didn't use the same kind of transportation, he'd be a dead man.
I don't think the President is a big Algore "man-is-killing-the-planet" follower, if you know what I mean and I think that you do.

[clambake]

What about all the energy used up by putting on 6 different concerts around the globe?

Was that to make sure that they wasted energy throughout the entire world rather then just a centralized location like most concerts do?
You could say that about every political fund raising event or convention.

It takes energy to spread any word to the masses.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think we can agree that Al Gore can't jump on a bus in downtown DC for security purposes (especially with people like Yoni out in the world). Secondly anybody who is 'famous' must always have a certain amount of security due to your every day societal nuts. it would be impractical for any VP or 'star' to take public trasnportaion or ride a bike. so to say that this should exclude these people from promoting activities that would lessen the impacts on our climate is politically motivated.

[johnsmith]

You could say that about every political fund raising event or convention.

It takes energy to spread any word to the masses.


You're telling me that the best way to spread the message in regards to global warming is to cause mass-pollution in the form of greenhouse gases and to waste an unbelievable amount of energy to put on a bunch of rock concerts in which the average age of attendance was probably around 13 (judging by the bands they had)?


Come on, you guys know, you absolutely know that "Live Earth" was a hypocritical waste of damn near everything.


Hell, it's wasting my time right now as I type this.

[Yonivore]

That's a stretch.

I guess I could make the claim that 9/11 and the war on aren't related to the war in Iraq

1. Al-qaeda attacked us on 9/11
2. Taliban harbored al-qaeda and leadership in afghanistan
3. we invade afghanistan
4. bush invades iraq under the guise of the war on terror and 9/11

to me this is a HUGE stretch
Ah, but you left out some very significant steps. Let me summarize them in two points:

3a. Saddam ignored all attempts to bring him into compliance with international mandates, he defied the international community, harrassed and threatened weapons inspectors -- ultimately running them out of Iraq, he failed to account for tons of known stocks of chemical weapons agents, and he behaved as though he were reconstituting his WMD programs -- and made threats to Kuwait -- among other things, including committing human and environmental atrocities in his own country. (okay, that was longer than I intended it to be and, it's not an exhaustive list, but, you get the drift).

3b. A large contingent of al Qaeda fled to Iraq after we invaded Afghanistan.

You're welcome.

[johnsmith]

Ah, but you left out some very significant steps. Let me summarize them in two points:

3a. Saddam ignored all attempts to bring him into compliance with international mandates, he defied the international community, harrassed and threatened weapons inspectors -- ultimately running them out of Iraq, he failed to account for tons of known stocks of chemical weapons agents, and he behaved as though he were reconstituting his WMD programs -- and made threats to Kuwait -- among other things, including committing human and environmental atrocities in his own country. (okay, that was longer than I intended it to be and, it's not an exhaustive list, but, you get the drift).

3b. A large contingent of al Qaeda fled to Iraq after we invaded Afghanistan.

You're welcome.


Hell, I'm spent. You guys managed to get Yoni to change the subject on his own thread.

Rock on Al Gore, Rock On indeed.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Ah, but you left out some very significant steps. Let me summarize them in two points:

3a. Saddam ignored all attempts to bring him into compliance with international mandates, he defied the international community, harrassed and threatened weapons inspectors -- ultimately running them out of Iraq, he failed to account for tons of known stocks of chemical weapons agents, and he behaved as though he were reconstituting his WMD programs -- and made threats to Kuwait -- among other things, including committing human and environmental atrocities in his own country. (okay, that was longer than I intended it to be and, it's not an exhaustive list, but, you get the drift).

3b. A large contingent of al Qaeda fled to Iraq after we invaded Afghanistan.

You're welcome.

My point is that it's a stretch. I am just using the same logic you use and applying to other situations.

[Yonivore]

I think we can agree that Al Gore can't jump on a bus in downtown DC for security purposes (especially with people like Yoni out in the world).
Did Algore attend all 7 concerts? If not, why personally attend any? Satellite feeds are very environmentally conscious.


Secondly anybody who is 'famous' must always have a certain amount of security due to your every day societal nuts. it would be impractical for any VP or 'star' to take public trasnportaion or ride a bike. so to say that this should exclude these people from promoting activities that would lessen the impacts on our climate is politically motivated.
Again, I think you're missing the bigger point of why create a huge event with an even bigger "carbon footprint" to raise awareness of what you believe is the cause of global climate change -- human activity.

Duh.

[clambake]

I don't think the President is a big Algore "man-is-killing-the-planet" follower, if you know what I mean and I think that you do.
We agree. And I wouldn't think you would be either, without W's approval.

But Bush's bed is made of oil and coal, so that's where your allegiance lies, in Bush's bed.

Why do you follow this guy with no regard to logic? Is it that God thing of yours?

[Yonivore]

My point is that it's a stretch. I am just using the same logic you use and applying to other situations.
A stretch to relevancy? What the fuck do you mean?

What wasn't relevant about my post?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Did Algore attend all 7 concerts? If not, why personally attend any? Satellite feeds are very environmentally conscious.


Again, I think you're missing the bigger point of why create a huge event with an even bigger "carbon footprint" to raise awareness of what you believe is the cause of global climate change -- human activity.

Duh.


I am talking about the bigger picture. I am talking about the argument in general reagrding anyone who promotes climate friendly practices and not specifically about this concert.

[Yonivore]

My point is that it's a stretch. I am just using the same logic you use and applying to other situations.
First, my two points nicely tied your last point to the others and, they're relevant to what you were trying to demonstrate.

Second, if I used the same logic, what steps did I omit?

[George Gervin's Afro]

A stretch to relevancy? What the fuck do you mean?

What wasn't relevant about my post?


I never said it wasn't relevant. I said it was a stretch.

[Yonivore]

I am talking about the bigger picture. I am talking about the argument in general reagrding anyone who promotes climate friendly practices and not specifically about this concert.
Yeah, but I WAS talking about the concert. Maybe it's you that's not relevant here.

Don't you find it completely hypocritical that the biggest proponent of draconian methods to reduce man's production of greenhouse gases would throw together a global spectacle that belched out greenhouse gases measured in the tons?

It's kind of got me wondering if his support will start eroding. After all, he's the one that's been the big cheerleader for this idiotic new scientific certainty measurement called "concensus." If he's this reckless with our climate, what's to say he wasn't wrong about all that other shit he spewed out in his Oscar-winning Docudrama?

And don't you find it exquisitely ironic that, in creating this huge carbon footprint of a fiasco, he reached so few people? I do. It's why I posted this thread. What's your excuse?

[Yonivore]

I never said it wasn't relevant. I said it was a stretch.
What do you mean stretch?

What was I stretching?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yeah, but I WAS talking about the concert. Maybe it's you that's not relevant here.

Don't you find it completely hypocritical that the biggest proponent of draconian methods to reduce man's production of greenhouse gases would throw together a global spectacle that belched out greenhouse gases measured in the tons?

It's kind of got me wondering if his support will start eroding. After all, he's the one that's been the big cheerleader for this idiotic new scientific certainty measurement called "concensus." If he's this reckless with our climate, what's to say he wasn't wrong about all that other shit he spewed out in his Oscar-winning Docudrama?

And don't you find it exquisitely ironic that, in creating this huge carbon footprint of a fiasco, he reached so few people? I do. It's why I posted this thread. What's your excuse?

If the end result created more awareness and encouraged more eco friendly practices then it was worth it. Sort of like going to war will cause us to use resources in the short term with the hope that it will save more lives in the long run.

[Yonivore]

If the end result created more awareness and encouraged more eco friendly practices then it was worth it.
Yeah, but it didn't create more awareness and, second, when you're acting like 25 incandescent bulbs in my house are killing the planet and should be replaced immediately (with highly toxic, super-fund spill producing, miniature flourescent bulbs), I think you owe it to me to be more environmentally responsible if you want me to pay attention to you.

Like I said before, and I'm not in the business of putting together the big glitzy concerts, I think it could have been done much more environmentally friendly. Much, much, much more. I also believe a person who feared -- and who has put the fear in many other people -- of catastrophic climate calamities caused by just such extravagancies should be more aware, himself, of what he's doing.

Don't you?


Sort of like going to war will cause us to use resources in the short term with the hope that it will save more lives in the long run.
Well, according to Algore, there is no long-term to catastrophic climate change. If we don't stop today, they're may not be a tomorrow. If he is to be believed, he doesn't have the luxury of employing a strategy that considers the long term.