PJ Brown heading to the Suns?

[The_Game]

The Forth Worth Star-Telegram is reporting that Webber is close to signing with the Mavs for their MLE. It suggests that "if he signs with the Mavs, figure Brown heads to the Suns."

[JMarkJohns]

He has to want to play first.

[phxspurfan]

If the Suns sign KG, I'll become worried. Else I don't really care.

[hater]

Webber... :lol

[The_Game]

PJ Brown > Kurt Thomas

fact is spurs fans won't want to admit this but the suns will be an even bigger threat than last season. they have upgraded with hill and if they land Brown then they will once again be set for a title.

[Findog]

PJ Brown > Kurt Thomas

fact is spurs fans won't want to admit this but the suns will be an even bigger threat than last season. they have upgraded with hill and if they land Brown then they will once again be set for a title.

Uh, I don't think so. PJ Brown sucks, and he's a horrible fit for their system. Kurt Thomas didn't even play regularly for Phoenix, he was just there for Duncan.

[WalterBenitez]

another grand father?

[ducks]

remind me what pj brown did against the pistons last postseason

[ShoogarBear]

PJ Brown > Kurt ThomasI disagree. Careerwise, yes, but at this stage in their careers, the only advatage is that PJ will be cheaper.

[urunobili]

C-Webb in the Mavs lockeroom could be possitive for us... he will be giving them his "deep playoff/champioonship" experience.... (6)

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

damn the Spurs win 3/5 championships and STILL can't get anyone to come to SA that's any good


FUKK

[Bruno]

PJ Brown could be a decent signing for Suns to help them against Spurs (way better than Webber).
But a 38 years old PJ Brown will be a serious downgrade from Kurt Thomas.

[Darkwaters]

PJ Brown could be a decent signing for Suns to help them against Spurs (way better than Webber).
But a 38 years old PJ Brown will be a serious downgrade from Kurt Thomas.

Definitely. He would probably spend a lot of time on the bench because his huffing and puffing would slow down their offense. With the Hornets he was quite verbal that the up and down game wore him out. And that was 2 years ago.

[Switchman]

C-Webb in the Mavs lockeroom could be possitive for us... he will be giving them his "deep playoff/champioonship" experience.... (6)

I didn't watch much of the Pistons Cav series but when I did, Webber was doing alright.

I'd love for him to be coming off of our bench imo.

[itzsoweezee]

PJ Brown > Kurt Thomas

fact is spurs fans won't want to admit this but the suns will be an even bigger threat than last season. they have upgraded with hill and if they land Brown then they will once again be set for a title.

you're on crack. so now pj brown is going to guard duncan? :downspin:

[OldDirtMcGirt]

I'd be fine with PJ. He isn't quite as good as Kurt, but he's close enough.

[The_Game]

you're on crack. so now pj brown is going to guard duncan? :downspin:

and you are clueless

PJ Brown is a good post defender and he is bigger than Kurt Thomas and has always guarded Duncan well enough. He will be a perfect replacement for Thomas.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

PJ Brown > Kurt Thomas

fact is spurs fans won't want to admit this but the suns will be an even bigger threat than last season. they have upgraded with hill and if they land Brown then they will once again be set for a title.

:lmao A 38 year old PJ Brown is going to be the Tim Duncan stopper? Don't quit your day job. PJ couldn't hang in the post-season last year and suddenly he's going to turn into a defensive stopper when he's huffing and puffing up and down the court in Phoenix?

:rollin

[Findog]

I didn't watch much of the Pistons Cav series but when I did, Webber was doing alright.

I'd love for him to be coming off of our bench imo.

Yeah, people can call Webber a soft choker, but who would you rather have playing 20 minutes a night? Him, Keith Van Horn or Austin Croshere? If the Mavs get him cheaply for that role, it's an upgrade.

[monosylab1k]

Yeah, people can call Webber a soft choker, but who would you rather have playing 20 minutes a night? Him, Keith Van Horn or Austin Croshere? If the Mavs get him cheaply for that role, it's an upgrade.
So then we get Webber.....



....and why exactly did we draft Fazekas?

[lotr1trekkie]

All these moves by teams that had the two best records in the league show how desperate they are to field a team that can get past the Spurs. Mavs know they were lucky in game 7 vs us. Manu's foul and then the non-call on Duncan's last shot. They would have been better off losing to us then embarrasing themselves in the finals. Suns window of opportunity closes a little each year as Nash ages. Luv the guy but he plays above the speed limit all the time and has to play too many minutes at his age. This year he had to ave 40+ vs the Spurs. If I were Kerr I would have targeted a point guard that would allow Nash to ave about 32 to 36 minutes during the season and save him for the playoffs. I also believe that the Spurs system of managing each players minutes has a great deal to do with why we don't have a lot of debilitating injuries. I can't imagine Pop playing Parker 46 & a half minutes like Karl did with Iverson vs us. Yo have to have sub that can hold the fort-- we still have that and the Suns and Mavs still don't.

[JMarkJohns]

....and why exactly did we draft Fazekas?

Because Webber will show the youngster the ins and outs of being an unathletic, soft perimeter forward who can't get stops on defense, can't score close on offense and is basically relagated to shooting semi-open jumpers from 20-feet, passing, and lumbering up and down the floor so your faster teammates can use you as an unintentional moving screen.

Webber is now.
Fazekas, the future...

Not that Phoenix isn't in the same boat if they sign Brown.

[Demo Dick Marcinko]

PJ Brown is a good post defender and he is bigger than Kurt Thomas and has always guarded Duncan well enough. He will be a perfect replacement for Thomas.

Couldn't agree more. Not only that, but if the suns sign Brown, that gives them another big body that can spell Amare, absorbing fouls and minutes away from him. Without him they have no one else of note, unless you include that powerhouse Marks (according to Kerr), or Diaw in the interior.

They're screwed either way. Do they pursue a PG to spell Nash or do they go after Brown? Nash averaged 35.3 minutes in the regular season and 37.5 in the playsoffs. He'll be 34 by the time the 2008 playoffs start. Sounds like a recipe for disaster. He will wear out or worse get injured.

[ShoogarBear]

I like PJ, but bottom line: if Kurt Thomas wasn't making $8 million, he'd still be in Phoenix and the Suns would be a bigger threat.

[Findog]

Mavs know they were lucky in game 7 vs us. Manu's foul and then the non-call on Duncan's last shot.

Keep telling yourself that. If Jason Terry keeps his hands off Michael Finley's junk, that series probably ends in six games. And if you want to talk about non-calls, how many over-and-back violations did Timmy commit that went "unnoticed" by the refs while the Spurs were clawing their way back from a 20-point deficit in Game Seven? The Mavs are a bad matchup for the Spurs, just like the Warriors were a bad matchup for the Mavs. Rock-Paper-Scissors.


They would have been better off losing to us then embarrasing themselves in the finals.

Yes, it's better to go out in the second round than for a young team to accumulate Finals experience. I suppose it would've been better for Cleveland to lose to Detroit than to gain experience in the Finals. The Bulls should never have battled the Pistons year after year, accumulating experience until they finally passed them. Bitch, are you for real?

[phxspurfan]

PJ Brown > Kurt Thomas

fact is spurs fans won't want to admit this but the suns will be an even bigger threat than last season. they have upgraded with hill and if they land Brown then they will once again be set for a title.


neg. Nash is one year older and his back is one year closer to retirement. His hair should have retired 3 years ago.

[rasho8]

Keep telling yourself that. If Jason Terry keeps his hands off Michael Finley's junk, that series probably ends in six games. And if you want to talk about non-calls, how many over-and-back violations did Timmy commit that went "unnoticed" by the refs while the Spurs were clawing their way back from a 20-point deficit in Game Seven? The Mavs are a bad matchup for the Spurs, just like the Warriors were a bad matchup for the Mavs. Rock-Paper-Scissors.

The average Mavs fan also needs to realize that Dirt Nodicksky also gets the star treatment. His phantom foul calls where he flails around like a drooler in shallow water when driving to the basket gets him alot of free throws.

If he actually grew a pair and drove the basket trying to finish, like he started doing against us last year, he would earn those phantom calls.


Yes, it's better to go out in the second round than for a young team to accumulate Finals experience. I suppose it would've been better for Cleveland to lose to Detroit than to gain experience in the Finals. The Bulls should never have battled the Pistons year after year, accumulating experience until they finally passed them. Bitch, are you for real?

Lets see... Mavs choke in Finals... Mavs choke in first round. How is that experience working for you?

[barbacoataco]

P.J. Brown is way past his prime, and I just don't see how he could work in the Suns up-and-down tempo.

[Findog]

Lets see... Mavs choke in Finals... Mavs choke in first round. How is that experience working for you?

It's better to go to the Finals and lose than lose in the second round. Our title window is open for another 5 years. Are you retarded?

Dirk gets the star treatment because he's a star. There was no lopsided officiating in the Spurs-Mavs series. If you want to complain about this call or that call, I can do the same. It evened out...two teams that are about even, and it went down to overtime in seven games. If they played 100 times, it would be 51-49 or 50-50.

[Demo Dick Marcinko]

Keep telling yourself that. If Jason Terry keeps his hands off Michael Finley's junk, that series probably ends in six games. And if you want to talk about non-calls, how many over-and-back violations did Timmy commit that went "unnoticed" by the refs while the Spurs were clawing their way back from a 20-point deficit in Game Seven? The Mavs are a bad matchup for the Spurs, just like the Warriors were a bad matchup for the Mavs. Rock-Paper-Scissors.



Yes, it's better to go out in the second round than for a young team to accumulate Finals experience. I suppose it would've been better for Cleveland to lose to Detroit than to gain experience in the Finals. The Bulls should never have battled the Pistons year after year, accumulating experience until they finally passed them. Bitch, are you for real?


Com'on Findog, you're better then that. You know we got hosed in game 7, just like we all know the Mavs got hosed against Miami in 2006. If we're not careful we're going to start sounding like whiny, excuse making Phoenix fan.

The experience you guys got in last years finals didn't exactly help you much this year. The "bad match ups" and your Rock-Scissors-Paper theory doesn't hold water, because great coaches and great players ordinarily make adjustments throughout the season, the playoffs and the series. That's one of the reasons why the Spurs got the hardware again this year.

[barbacoataco]

The Mavs shooters were hitting their jumpshots like crazy in the 2006 Mavs-Spurs series. Then they stopped falling against the Heat.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The Mavs shooters were hitting their jumpshots like crazy in the 2006 Mavs-Spurs series. Then they stopped falling against the Heat.


don't forget they shot 70% for the first half of game 7.

[Findog]

Com'on Findog, you're better then that. You know we got hosed in game 7, just like we all know the Mavs got hosed against Miami in 2006. If we're not careful we're going to start sounding like whiny, excuse making Phoenix fan.

The experience you guys got in last years finals didn't exactly help you much this year. The "bad match ups" and your Rock-Scissors-Paper theory doesn't hold water, because great coaches and great players ordinarily make adjustments throughout the season, the playoffs and the series. That's one of the reasons why the Spurs got the hardware again this year.

No, I don't think the Mavs got hosed against the Heat. I refuse to make excuses. We lost our poise and composure against Miami and paid dearly for it. Yes, Game Five was officiated in a one-sided manner, but we pulled a no-show in Game Four, we stopped running our offensive sets at the end of Game Three and didn't play a smart game in Game Six. That's three games that can't be pinned on the refs.

And I don't think the Spurs got hosed against us in that series. Manu clearly committed a foul. Duncan was allowed to get away with some over-and-back violations while the Spurs were making their comeback. Considering the game was tied going into overtime, if the refs call those, the Mavs win in regulation. I think the reason you guys lost that game is because Dallas came out on fire and shot 78% from the field in the first half, and San Antonio emptied the tank coming back. They simply had nothing left in OT.

And yes, the experience of the Finals will help this team in the long run. I don't know if this team will win a title or not, but it's just how it is. Sometimes you have to lose before you can win. The Spurs got their asses beat down by the Lakers before finally toppling them. The Bad Boy Pistons took their lumps against the Celtics, as did the Bulls with the Pistons. We lost to you guys twice before finally winning. The Heat had a lot more playoff and finals experience than we did: Shaq had 3 titles and 5 Finals appearances, Riley had coached in umpteen Finals. On our side, Avery played in one Finals and so did KVH. Experienced teams tend to beat inexperienced teams.

[rasho8]

It's better to go to the Finals and lose than lose in the second round. Our title window is open for another 5 years. Are you retarded?

No actually, Im not. And your finals experience sure didnt seem to help your team get out of the first round.


Dirk gets the star treatment because he's a star. There was no lopsided officiating in the Spurs-Mavs series. If you want to complain about this call or that call, I can do the same. It evened out...two teams that are about even, and it went down to overtime in seven games. If they played 100 times, it would be 51-49 or 50-50.
I didnt say there was lopsided officiating, read the post cockbite. YOU were bitching about Duncan getting no calls. Not me.

[Obstructed_View]

The only way PJ sees any significant time is if he scores. D'Antoni has proven that he's not going to keep a guy on the floor just because he's playing good defense against Duncan.

[Obstructed_View]

The Mavs shooters were hitting their jumpshots like crazy in the 2006 Mavs-Spurs series. Then they stopped falling against the Heat.
Jumpshots are easy when you are playing against a defense that has to pack four guys in the paint in an attempt to prevent layups and dunks.

[Findog]

No actually, Im not. And your finals experience sure didnt seem to help your team get out of the first round.

I didnt say there was lopsided officiating, read the post cockbite. YOU were bitching about Duncan getting no calls. Not me.

Ah, that explains it. I was having trouble parsing your post, and now it's clear: you didn't really have a point, you just wanted to make some anti-Mavs smacktalk. Fine, leave the X's and O's talk to the grownups, son.


And your finals experience sure didnt seem to help your team get out of the first round.

There will come a time in the next five years when the Mavs will advance deep into the playoffs and go up against another championship-caliber team. Having been to the Finals will be an asset. In seven years, Dallas has failed to make it out of the first round only twice, so it's the exception and not the rule. If you can't grasp that, then you're clueless.

[exstatic]

I like PJ, but bottom line: if Kurt Thomas wasn't making $8 million, he'd still be in Phoenix and the Suns would be a bigger threat.
Yeah, PJ would be an even bigger boat anchor to their offense, and he doesn't have that nice 18 footer that Thomas sticks with regularity. People here are outraged when the Spurs make a pure cost cutting move, yet fail to recognize the same in our opponents. Thomas was a better option, he just made too much jack.

[CarefreeAZ]

[QUOTE=Demo Dick Marcinko]Com'on Findog, you're better then that. You know we got hosed in game 7, just like we all know the Mavs got hosed against Miami in 2006. If we're not careful we're going to start sounding like whiny, excuse making Phoenix fan.

Easy there Demo Dick Marcinko. If the "classy" Phoenix fan's see this comment they are likely to start launching full water bottles at your teams players.