USA vs Argentina

[samikeyp]

Accept you got beat and move on.

Hmm...I have heard this before....Athens 2004. When they say it, its gospel, when we say it, its arrogance.

How do you say "double standard" in Spanish?

[ArgSpursFan]

So then, exciting, fluid basketball is ok to play, as long as it doesn't offend the Argentines.

no that´s fine.you can do that all the time.
I just wanna see you go down and keep throwing the fansy passes while your down or up by 2 in a close game in the Olympics. :fro

[samikeyp]

no that´s fine.you can do that all the time.
I just wanna see you go down and keep throwing the fansy passes while your down or up by 2 in a close game in the Olympics.

Me? I don't play Olympic basketball.

As far as this US team goes, they have been up and down by 2 in close games......in the first quarter.

Tell you what you get the Argie "A" team in and get within 10 points of this particular team in the 4th quarter and we will see.

[ArgSpursFan]

Me? I don't play Olympic basketball.

As far as this US team goes, they have been up and down by 2 in close games......in the first quarter.

Tell you what you get the Argie "A" team in and get within 10 points of this particular team in the 4th quarter and we will see.

just add Manu and Chapu,not a complete team,and them I´ll tell you what their faces will look like in a 4rd quarter vs Arg.

[samikeyp]

They beat Manu and crew last year in Japan.

I noticed you still haven't answered my question about Beijing.

You are a coward.

[ArgSpursFan]

They beat Manu and crew last year in Japan.

I noticed you still haven't answered my question about Beijing.

You are a coward.

yeah,for a 3rd place.

manu doesnt play for 3rd places with the same determination as it was a semis or finals(you should know that as spurs fan),we lost by 1 with Spain in the semis and there was nothing else to do in Japan.

[samikeyp]

yeah,for a 3rd place.

manu doesnt play for 3rd places with the same determination as it was a semis or finals(you should know that as spurs fan),we lost by 1 with Spain in the semis and there was nothing else to do in Japan.

Irrelevant. A great player tries to win every game no matter what. Manu always goes out to win. (You should know that as a Spurs fan)

And you still haven't answered my question.

Was it too difficult?

[nfg3]

I don't want to hate on Billups too much tho....he's a great player, but he's alot like Duncan cuz I just don't think his game translates over to the FIBA-style of play at all.

Good observation, I was thinking much the same thing. I love Billups and frankly he would fit into the Spur's system well but the we do seem to to lose focus when Kidd leaves. Maybe K could flip Deron and see what happens.

As for Chris Paul being put on the Olympic team that is questionable IMO. He got abused in Athens due to his lack of strength. He is a smaller guard who runs the floor well but can't handle the big international guards. Now if he hits the weight room and beefs up then that would be different. I think his lack of strength is the reason for his not being on the team.

[ArgSpursFan]

Irrelevant. A great player tries to win every game no matter what. Manu always goes out to win. (You should know that as a Spurs fan)

And you still haven't answered my question.

Was it too difficult?

I did.In that game you were the ones(and still are) that havent won shit in the international scenario for a while.
in that game for the 3rd place we were,and still are,the Olympics champs.
We couldn´t reach our goal(win the world cup)and just played for the finals stats,while you holded on to that game like it was for the gold medal.
But that´s ok,I guess we just got diferent standards that world cup.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

I thought Denial was in Africa...and the Amazon was in S. America...

Guess I was wrong.


You guys are going to get owned in the 08 Olympics...surely you know this?


You aren't going to be playing a team that's only been together for 2 weeks this time around...but we will :smokin

First we both need to qualify for the Olympics. Important games are to be played on Saturday. One step at the time.


I'm curious.

Why is it that when a US player shows enthusiasm or makes an athletic play, its arrogance but when other players from other countries do it...its passion or beautiful basketball?

It's not that...it's the things they do after a dunk or a block, they seem to be more concerned about the cameras than the actual play. Lebron dunked on LoGrippo and stared at him like he was badass. Why? I don't know, I guess that your majesty got upset because some unknown Argie dared to contest his dunk. And the next play was hilarious, Lebron was guarding LoGrippo, who is the most unathletic player in the world, and yet he scored a layup and got the foul just with good footwork and fundamentals. LoGrippo just smiled and made his free throws.

Like I said before...this kids playing for Team USA are tremendously talented, but they need to watch more tapes from the 1992 Olympics. That team had Bird, Magic, Jordan, Barkley, etc. and they never acted that way after a dunk or a good play. They had some of the best players in the history of basketball and they respected every opponent by playing as hard as they could, that's what made them so great.


So when an American does it, its arrogance but when someone else does it, its enthusiam.

Nice double standard.


The US team could walk the ball up every time, shoot nothing but layups and jumpers and never crack a smile and you would still find them "arrogant" because of your pre-determined prejudice against American ball players, and probably Americans in general. I have seen European and Latin American ball players do THE EXACT SAME THING as American ball players and not once have any of them been called arrogant.

You accuse Americans of arrogance and bad sportsmanship, yet you are guilty of the same. Hell...you even brought up Iraq (with a Q by the way) for the sole purpose of anti-American hate.

Puerto Rico are arseholes. Some of their players copy the "balla" kind of basketball, and that's killing their game. In this tournament, when they played Argentina they were thumping their chests because they had a lead in the 2nd quarter. They scored a couple of contested 3 pointers and put a look in their faces like "ohhh, how tough I am". Then Argentina won the game, their antics stopped and their headbands ended on the floor. When their coach got mad and made adjustments, they started winning.

[ArgSpursFan]

the 92 dream team was classy,all the way

these clowns just want the flashes(exept Billups)....

I reapet they are the best team (as individuals)in the world,but Basketball is a team´s game,and needs to be taken seriusly.
Coze when you start facing the real guys that smile your gonna have to hide it where the sun dont shine.

[hendrix]

A side question here...
Based on the standings, W/L, etc. it appears to me that the U.S. and Argentina will both finish first and second in the tournment, even if they lose their games tomorrow. Am I correct, or can someone clear this up for me?

Saturday is the semis. It's elimination round. It does not matter the record.
For example.. if for some strange phenomenom USA loses to PUR, USA loses the olympic berth. They would have to play next year in the last qualy.

[samikeyp]

I did.In that game you were the ones(and still are) that havent won shit in the international scenario for a while.
in that game for the 3rd place we were,and still are,the Olympics champs.
We couldn´t reach our goal(win the world cup)and just played for the finals stats,while you holded on to that game like it was for the gold medal.
But that´s ok,I guess we just got diferent standards that world cup.

So, if your team isn't playing for the Gold, you think they are not going to give their all? I would disagree. Judging but what I have seen of the Argentine team, they play their asses off no matter what because they want to win.

To me, winning is the ultimate standard.


It's not that...it's the things they do after a dunk or a block, they seem to be more concerned about the cameras than the actual play. Lebron dunked on LoGrippo and stared at him like he was badass. Why? I don't know, I guess that your majesty got upset because some unknown Argie dared to contest his dunk. And the next play was hilarious, Lebron was guarding LoGrippo, who is the most unathletic player in the world, and yet he scored a layup and got the foul just with good footwork and fundamentals. LoGrippo just smiled and made his free throws.

Maybe he was fouled or something was said.

You act like it was every player doing it after every play and that is just not the case. I have seen plenty of stares from non-US players but hear nothing about that.

I saw Scola push Kobe, Delfino elbow Billups and plenty of hacks and trash talk from the guys in blue.

Why is that ok for them but not for US players? Why is the same thing done by others ignored but pointed out if done by the US team? Is it because they are American? or Black? Or Rich??

Again...double standard anyone?

[samikeyp]

I reapet they are the best team (as individuals)in the world,but Basketball is a team´s game,and needs to be taken seriusly.
Coze when you start facing the real guys that smile your gonna have to hide it where the sun dont shine.

So you can't have fun?

What makes you think the US is not taking this seriously? They looked pretty serious last night.

[ArgSpursFan]

So you can't have fun?

What makes you think the US is not taking this seriously? They looked pretty serious last night.

yeap,they wouldn´t even get to 100 pts vs Arg C team.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

So, if your team isn't playing for the Gold, you think they are not going to give their all? I would disagree. Judging but what I have seen of the Argentine team, they play their asses off no matter what because they want to win.

To me, winning is the ultimate standard.



Maybe he was fouled or something was said.

You act like it was every player doing it after every play and that is just not the case. I have seen plenty of stares from non-US players but hear nothing about that.

I saw Scola push Kobe, Delfino elbow Billups and plenty of hacks and trash talk from the guys in blue.

Why is that ok for them but not for US players? Why is the same thing done by others ignored but pointed out if done by the US team? Is it because they are American? or Black? Or Rich??

Again...double standard anyone?

Don't play the racial card on me...you are going the wrong way there...

And don't come with shit like that. The game got physical at one point, and I think that's what some of the US players didn't like. They were coasting to a dunk contest in the previous games and here they got fouled many times in their way to rim. I guess that got in their heads. Like Carmelo...who after his dunk he shouted "I owe them one" :lol . No you don't, you owe one to the team that beat you in 2004, not this one. And like someone cares...haha, enough of this. Real games are on Saturday, good luck with Puerto Rico (you won't need it, but just to be sure...I really, really, dislike the PR players attitude).

[samikeyp]

yeap,they wouldn´t even get to 100 pts vs Arg C team.

Irrelevant, they still won.

Don't know about you, but to me, winning is what matters most.

[Switchman]

Don't play the racial card on me...you are going the wrong way there...

And don't come with shit like that. The game got physical at one point, and I think that's what some of the US players didn't like. They were coasting to a dunk contest in the previous games and here they got fouled many times in their way to rim. I guess that got in their heads. Like Carmelo...who after his dunk he shouted "I owe them one" :lol . No you don't, you owe one to the team that beat you in 2004, not this one. And like someone cares...haha, enough of this. Real games are on Saturday, good luck with Puerto Rico (you won't need it, but just to be sure...I really, really, dislike the PR players attitude).

Right before that dunk he got leveled out by a screen on the def. end.

[monosylab1k]

The game got physical at one point, and I think that's what some of the US players didn't like.
Funny considering the Argentina head coach was the one who commented afterwards that the game was too physical for his team.

[hendrix]

Look... to me is just waaaay too significant that this US team is pulling all these "street basketball" tricks and manners against Argentina (i.e: Kidd's board assist, Kobe's nodding after his plays, Lebronze's staring at poor LoGrippo after a dunk...). It's just they know Argentina is the reigning champion and they want to take that back. They are the better team (individually or as team, I don't care, they are better).

To compare USA basketball to Argentina's is just ridiculous.
I mean, I can be a "patriotic" douche if I want to, but just for fun. Some guys here are probably too young and have no idea that argentine NTs were finishing 8th or worse in international competitions prior to this golden era.

This does not mean we cannot keep as a strong basketball nation for some time, but it's going to be hard to be the best team and to even keep it close to a USA team.

Yes, Manu, Nocioni, Herrmann, Oberto, and some others playing in Europe that did not participate here would make much difference.

Look, all I want is to be better than Brazil. That's our real goal ;)
Tomorrow is the important game. Last night was just a "debut" for most of the guys, aside from Scola, Delfino, Prigioni (how may TO did he had?)... most likely the rest were a little intimidated by playing "the NBA stars". It happened to Manu once for sure.

[samikeyp]

And don't come with shit like that.

or you'll what?

I am not saying things were not said. I didn't see or hear Carmelo say that so I will take your word for it. If he did, then yes, that was unneccessary.

Physical play is fine but physicality within the course of the game is one thing and I have no problem with it. Getting physical just because you are getting beat is bush league, which is a problem I have with the NBA but that is another thread for another time.

My point still stands though. The US players are not the only who are talking trash, staring down, or celebrating after good plays, yet they are the only ones getting called out for it. That is a double standard.

If the US team wins, they are arrogant and they "were playing our C team" or "they were supposed to win". If another team wins a game its because of talent, heart and passion. Another double standard.

I have no problem giving respect to the winners. That is what you do in sports. It is a sign of good sportsmanship and win the US got beat in 2002, 2004 and last year, I was one of many here who gave credit where it was due. On those nights the US got beat, the other team was better. But respect goes both ways and it seems that too many people use their anti-US feelings as reasons to rip this basketball team who just just trying to succeed in international competition like anyone else. The US style is based on athleticism. So is Argentina's. Both are fun to watch. Neither is better than the other, they are just different. So to riducule one style for the sole reason of the color of that team's uniforms is ignorant. Argies got pissed when some fans here talked shit about them in 2004 (and rightfully so) so why shouldn't I defend my country's national team for the same reason?

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

Funny considering the Argentina head coach was the one who commented afterwards that the game was too physical for his team.

Probably lost in translation...but taking it in context, what he meant is it was too athletic.

And if you don't believe me, just read any of the US players statements in the last 7 years of international basketball. The FIBA refs allow a lot more of contact in screens, box-outs and in the post than the NBA's.

FIBA Americas Tournament website (http://www.2007lasvegas.fibaamericas.com/pages/eng/fe/07/fibaAmer/men/news/quotDay/p/newsid/21825/FE_news_quotDay.html)

USA 91, Argentina 76

COACH MIKE KRZYZEWSKI , HEAD COACH USA
That was more of an international game tonight where you have to adjust. I think the physicality especially below the waist is something we haven't experienced here, that was good for us. We were a little bit sloppy in transition, I think we could have had five to 10 more fast breaks, you have to credit Argentina for getting back and making their stands. Overall I though our defense was good and we were ready to play, we have so much respect for Argentina, I thought our guys competed the whole 40 minutes as did they. We feel honored going in undefeated and playing Puerto Rico on Saturday afternoon.

[samikeyp]

To compare USA basketball to Argentina's is just ridiculous.
I mean, I can be a "patriotic" douche if I want to, but just for fun. Some guys here are probably too young and have no idea that argentine NTs were finishing 8th or worse in international competitions prior to this golden era.

This does not mean we cannot keep as a strong basketball nation for some time, but it's going to be hard to be the best team and to even keep it close to a USA team.

You don't sound like a douche to me, sounds like you are proud of your country's NT. You should be. They have done a hell of a job this decade and deserve the accolades they receive.

[samikeyp]

COACH MIKE KRZYZEWSKI , HEAD COACH USA
That was more of an international game tonight where you have to adjust. I think the physicality especially below the waist is something we haven't experienced here, that was good for us. We were a little bit sloppy in transition, I think we could have had five to 10 more fast breaks, you have to credit Argentina for getting back and making their stands. Overall I though our defense was good and we were ready to play, we have so much respect for Argentina, I thought our guys competed the whole 40 minutes as did they. We feel honored going in undefeated and playing Puerto Rico on Saturday afternoon

Oh wait...I thought all US BBall players and fans were arrogant and disrespectful. ;)

[ArgSpursFan]

Oh wait...I thought all US BBall players and fans were arrogant and disrespectful. ;)

did I ever metion coach K???
ok,never mind jack.

[monosylab1k]

did I ever metion coach K???
coach K said "we"

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

or you'll what?

I am not saying things were not said. I didn't see or hear Carmelo say that so I will take your word for it. If he did, then yes, that was unneccessary.

Physical play is fine but physicality within the course of the game is one thing and I have no problem with it. Getting physical just because you are getting beat is bush league, which is a problem I have with the NBA but that is another thread for another time.

My point still stands though. The US players are not the only who are talking trash, staring down, or celebrating after good plays, yet they are the only ones getting called out for it. That is a double standard.

If the US team wins, they are arrogant and they "were playing our C team" or "they were supposed to win". If another team wins a game its because of talent, heart and passion. Another double standard.

I have no problem giving respect to the winners. That is what you do in sports. It is a sign of good sportsmanship and win the US got beat in 2002, 2004 and last year, I was one of many here who gave credit where it was due. On those nights the US got beat, the other team was better. But respect goes both ways and it seems that too many people use their anti-US feelings as reasons to rip this basketball team who just just trying to succeed in international competition like anyone else. The US style is based on athleticism. So is Argentina's. Both are fun to watch. Neither is better than the other, they are just different. So to riducule one style for the sole reason of the color of that team's uniforms is ignorant. Argies got pissed when some fans here talked shit about them in 2004 (and rightfully so) so why shouldn't I defend my country's national team for the same reason?

You're missing the point. One thing is to celebrate and another completely different is try to look cool and badass. US played better, deserved to win, end of story. I'm not arguing against the US victory, their style of play or anything like that. What is kind of sily is the posturing, the stares...Do the Spurs make any of those? No, they don't, and if a Spur dared to do something like that, Pop would sit his ass on the bench.

For the sake of your own game, this kids need to watch more tape from Magic or Bird and less hip hop music videos. Specially about on and off the court attitudes. Not the entire team...you know who they are...they seem more concerned to look cool or badass for the latest Nike ad than other things.

I also disagree that Argentina's game is based on athleticism, our historic style was fundamentals, but just in the recent years with players becoming top professionals athleticism is starting to be a factor.

[ArgSpursFan]

coach K said "we"

yeah,Bush says also WE,but that doesnt mean all Americans Think the same way

[Switchman]

They should be able to stare down anyone they want. If the arg players don't like it. Keep them from scoring or hipcheck them into the score keeper.

Sounds like you guys are admitting defeat and just coming up with things to knock team usa for.

[samikeyp]

You're missing the point. One thing is to celebrate and another completely different is try to look cool and badass. US played better, deserved to win, end of story. I'm not arguing against the US victory, their style of play or anything like that. What is kind of sily is the posturing, the stares...Do the Spurs make any of those? No, they don't, and if a Spur dared to do something like that, Pop would sit his ass on the bench.

For the sake of your own game, this kids need to watch more tape from Magic or Bird and less hip hop music videos. Specially about on and off the court attitudes. Not the entire team...you know who they are...they seem more concerned to look cool or badass for the latest Nike ad than other things.

I also disagree that Argentina's game is based on athleticism, our historic style was fundamentals, but just in the recent years with players becoming top professionals athleticism is starting to be a factor.

No....I see the point, I just don't agree. I do agree that some of the US players have been guilty of it some of the time, but my point was it was not every player nor every time and its not just US players.

I do agree though about watching more Bird and Magic. I think that should be fundamental viewing.

As far as the Argie style of play, I have only watched really since 2002 so that is what I was going on.

[samikeyp]

yeah,Bush says also WE,but that doesnt mean all Americans Think the same way

You think we do.

[manubili]

conclusions from a happy argie:

1. This US Team is the best I've seen in a long time. Too bad Duncan isn't playing as the starting center. That would make a truly new Dream Team.

2. The only argentine player who showed NBA caliber is Scola. Too bad for Delfino. (And bad for the Spurs too).

3. I want to see this US team playing under real preasure. It would be a complete different story playing against some other all-nba teams like Spain, full-argentina, Serbia, etc.

4. I love flashy moves, even those against my NT, but I don't like the cocky attitude. That's different, some US players seem not to know the difference. Manu or Tony did a lot of flashy moves in the Spurs, but we never saw them trying to humilliate anyone. That's classless. Period.

[freedom&justice]

conclusions from a happy argie:

1. This US Team is the best I've seen in a long time. Too bad Duncan isn't playing as the starting center. That would make a truly new Dream Team.

2. The only argentine player who showed NBA caliber is Scola. Too bad for Delfino. (And bad for the Spurs too).

3. I want to see this US team playing under real preasure. It would be a complete different story playing against some other all-nba teams like Spain, full-argentina, Serbia, etc.

4. I love flashy moves, even those against my NT, but I don't like the cocky attitude. That's different, some US players seem not to know the difference. Manu or Tony did a lot of flashy moves in the Spurs, but we never saw them trying to humilliate anyone. That's classless. Period.

I agree with number 1. But Tim will never play in FIBA again.

2. Delfino is Delfino. He's really talented, but just so damn inconsistent. I wish him luck with the Raptors.

3. Me too. They're freestyling a bit too much for my tastes right now, but I think they'll be ok. They have a bunch of vets who know how to play in the end game on that team.

4. Flashy moves are the specialty of Melo, Bron and Kobe. That's part of what makes them superstars - it brings excitement and gets people off their seats. Kidd is also an excellent PG for that kind of play. Flashy moves and gestures are normal for them, so I wouldn't read too much into it. They're not really immersed in international play, so they act like they do in the NBA. And it's not everyone. I haven't seen Deron Williams or Chauncey Billups or Tayshaun Prince do that, so... Just my 2 cents.

[hendrix]

I don't have ANY problem with the flashy moves. Argentina has its own set of moves (mainly as a team, not many individual flashy moves, except for Manu, because he can) and it's fun to watch them do that.

And the attitude issue... OK, it makes you hate them a little.
The staring, the hitting on the chest, etc..
But it's because they need to feel they can be atop again. They respect us and so they are happy to beat us. And also it's a dominant male attitude. Or dominant basketball player in this case. As when a dog faces another one.

You can do 3 things in these cases:

1. Disregard, which is the smart thing to do in this case, because it is not A REAL PIMP vs PIMP situation. It's not a clash, just a game. They make millions of dollars more than any of our guys. They have the best chicks and may f*ck some others even if thay don't want to.

2. Compete at that level. BUT... making starings after a layup, or knocking the chest after a failed 3-pointer dont have the same effect.

3. Punch them. Yeah... that is an option too. The complete opposite of number 1. You can't do number 2 and you if feel humilliated and want to do something... start a brawl. Kick Kobe in the gonads, something. That would ban you from playing several international competitions in some time. And perhaps you can take Kobe and Lebron with you.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

You can do 3 things in these cases:

1. Disregard, which is the smart thing to do in this case, because it is not A REAL PIMP vs PIMP situation. It's not a clash, just a game. They make millions of dollars more than any of our guys. They have the best chicks and may f*ck some others even if thay don't want to.

2. Compete at that level. BUT... making starings after a layup, or knocking the chest after a failed 3-pointer dont have the same effect.

3. Punch them. Yeah... that is an option too. The complete opposite of number 1. You can't do number 2 and you if feel humilliated and want to do something... start a brawl. Kick Kobe in the gonads, something. That would ban you from playing several international competitions in some time. And perhaps you can take Kobe and Lebron with you.

I expect a lot of #3 from whoever losses between Argentina or Brazil on Saturday. Hopefully not, but tempers will be sky-high

[E20]

A side question here...
Based on the standings, W/L, etc. it appears to me that the U.S. and Argentina will both finish first and second in the tournment, even if they lose their games tomorrow. Am I correct, or can someone clear this up for me?
I didn't seen anybody answer your question, but: Argentina and USA need to win on Saturday to qualify for the Olympics, if they lose they have to play another qualifying tournament.

One comment: The only thing that irked me was Mike Tirico or whoever was commenting aside Bill Walton.

About the whole playes thumping there chest thing, nodding over and over when a basket is made and going OHHHHHHH when a dunk happens. Well that is what USA ball is today. It's more about show and flare, it annoy's people, but you gotta live with it. That's another reason I'm a Spurs fan.

I would be suprised if Puerto Rico did NOT do those kind of things, I mean come on........they're sponsered by And1, of course they're gonna pick some things off.

[diego]

conclusions from a happy argie:

1. This US Team is the best I've seen in a long time. Too bad Duncan isn't playing as the starting center. That would make a truly new Dream Team.

2. The only argentine player who showed NBA caliber is Scola. Too bad for Delfino. (And bad for the Spurs too).

3. I want to see this US team playing under real preasure. It would be a complete different story playing against some other all-nba teams like Spain, full-argentina, Serbia, etc.

4. I love flashy moves, even those against my NT, but I don't like the cocky attitude. That's different, some US players seem not to know the difference. Manu or Tony did a lot of flashy moves in the Spurs, but we never saw them trying to humilliate anyone. That's classless. Period.

Agree, but i think some of the argentine guys are cocky too- scola for ex. is known to get carried away celebrating. though that isnt necessary the same as humilliation (i didnt actually see the game so i dont know what the fuss is over, aside from the comments here)

samikeyp, i understand what you are getting at with the double standards, and i dont mean to minimize your point, but dont fans, regardless of nationality, do this all the time?? for ex, suns fans whine to no end about bruce and manu, but say nothing about thomas grabbing and bell flopping. lakers fans saw shaq as the MDE, most everyone else saw a foul machine. etc. I remember when PR beat the US in 03, there were people on other boards saying they wanted to kill Arroyo and invade puerto rico for his chest thumping routine. it would be great if we could all be objective but there is a reason we're not, and it has nothing to do with where we were born. we are subjects and we cannot escape subjectivity, we can only try to be objective and most people dont bother, for lack of need. there's a bill hicks joke about evolution in here somewhere but i cant quite remember it.

[mardigan]

Damn, bunch of sour grapes in this thread, wish I had woke up earlierAnd btw, to Argrocketsfan shouting about them not getting to 100, they let off the gass, they didnt want to show the Argys up, they have to much respect for them.
Argrocketsfan is a racist douche.

[smeagol]

Damn, bunch of sour grapes in this thread, wish I had woke up earlier
No sour grapes on my part.

By the way, did you watch the game?

Do you still think Bonner > Scola? (and avoid the "In the NBA, Bonner has proven more than Scola" shit, because we are aware of that).

[samikeyp]

samikeyp, i understand what you are getting at with the double standards, and i dont mean to minimize your point, but dont fans, regardless of nationality, do this all the time??

Doesn't make it right and like you said, doesn't mean we can't try.

Well said though.

[mardigan]

the 92 dream team was classy,all the way

these clowns just want the flashes(exept Billups)....

I reapet they are the best team (as individuals)in the world,but Basketball is a team´s game,and needs to be taken seriusly.
Coze when you start facing the real guys that smile your gonna have to hide it where the sun dont shine.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C8-jiOcv-Vg

[mardigan]

No sour grapes on my part.

By the way, did you watch the game?

Do you still think Bonner > Scola? (and avoid the "In the NBA, Bonner has proven more than Scola" shit, because we are aware of that).
Yep, still think that (I actually only ever said in the NBA, learn to read)
All Scola showed me was that he cant guard anyone, gets outrebounded by guys half his weight, and can make layups, congrats on the great pf!

[2centsworth]

USA is finally taking the tournament seriously thanks to inpart Argentina. Now the US is pissed and are ready to terrorize the rest of the world. There will be much posterizing, so you lame Argentinians better get used to it.

BTW, RC should be fired. Scola easily a great prospect who should have been given a chance. He will probably come back to haunt the Spurs.

[smeagol]

Yep, still think that (I actually only ever said in the NBA, learn to read)

I know how to read and after you wrote it several times I said to myself:

"Why does he continue to compare a player who played in the NBA against one who never did, emphasizing that the comparison is " 'Who is the better NBA player' ".

Pretty stupid, if you ask me.



All Scola showed me was that he cant guard anyone, gets outrebounded by guys half his weight, and can make layups, congrats on the great pf!

You probably need glasses, then.

[smeagol]

BTW, RC should be fired. Scola easily a great prospect who should have been given a chance. He will probably come back to haunt the Spurs.

You know shit about basketball [/mardigan]

[mardigan]

I know how to read and after you wrote it several times I said to myself:

"Why does he continue to compare a player who played in the NBA against one who never did, emphasizing that the comparison is " 'Who is the better NBA player' ".

Pretty stupid, if you ask me.




You probably need glasses, then.
Find a post where I said Bonner had more talent than Scola? Go ahead and look, you wont find it.


Scola has shown skill where he plays.
But if he will have those same skills against guys bigger, faster and stronger is yet to be seen


And btw, my whole point was that it doesnt matter how good he has played in this tourney or any other, he still hasnt proven he can play in the NBA yet.
Im not saying he wont be able to, but to act like its a given that he will be able to do the same things in the NBA is stupid


As far as NBA play right now, Scola is no match for Bonner


Well if thats the bar being set for Scola I can totally agree, he wil be a servicable player no doubt. Just getting tired of all these dipshits acting like its a given he will be some kind of 18 and 10 guy


Bonner has proved he can play in the NBA, Scola hasnt
Not saying he wont contribute, but no one really knows how good or bad he will be

Again, where did I say Scola didnt have more skill than Bonner?

[mardigan]

You know shit about basketball [/mardigan]
Coming from you, thats a compliment

[smeagol]

Mardigan, you have said many times that, in the NBA, Bonner > Scola.

Do you reralize that statement is void of any meaning?

It is like saying: "As far as NBA play, in 2002, Manu was no match for Brent Barry"

What the fuck does that mean?

[ChumpDumper]

Scola played well offensively -- Estebanish even -- but as so many Argentinians told me, the game meant nothing to either team, so I can only conclude any individual performance meant nothing as well.

[smeagol]

Coming from you, thats a compliment
I'm simply trying to prove to you that many knowledgeable posters say the Scola trade was a shitty one, and that Scola has more potential than Matt Bonner.

Hell, even Sequ knows this!

[smeagol]

Scola played well offensively -- Estebanish even -- but as so many Argentinians told me, the game meant nothing to either team, so I can only conclude any individual performance meant nothing as well.

Not me.

By the way, great trade the FO came up with there, buddy!

[ChumpDumper]

By the way, great trade the FO came up with there, buddy!If Houston beats the Spurs in the playoffs, I'll agree it was the worst trade in Spurs history, buddy.

As it is, it costs a team to dump salaries -- why not do it with a player you clearly didn't want?

[mardigan]

Mardigan, you have said many times that, in the NBA, Bonner > Scola.

Do you reralize that statement is void of any meaning?

It is like saying: "As far as NBA play, in 2002, Manu was no match for Brent Barry"

What the fuck does that mean?
Then WHY DID YOU TRY AND START ARGUING WITH ME?
If its a true statement that cant be argued, whats the point?
I also posted that after next year, Ill probably have to retract my statement, but right now its true. So What was your point?
And again, I never said it wasnt a crappy or good trade, but I know it got us Udoka, and who knows who that pick will end up being, and who knows how good Scola or Butler will be for the Rockets, so Ill hold off judgment until I can see a more clear picture of how the trade turned out a couple of years from now

[ChumpDumper]

Not me.So this game was extremely meaningful to both teams?

[smeagol]

If Houston beats the Spurs in the playoffs, I'll agree it was the worst trade in Spurs history, buddy.

:rolleyes


As it is, it costs a team to dump salaries -- why not do it with a player you clearly didn't want?

There lies the problem, why didn't the FO want him?

[hendrix]

So this game was extremely meaningful to both teams?

Chump, stop this sitcom sketch already. You are repeating yourself with the "It's meaningful... ohh.. it isn't... oh... it is... oh... "
You are really smart when trying to pick a fight. I'd just say you are too bored.

Scola is decent player even for the NBA. You don't like him, we get it.

[smeagol]

Then WHY DID YOU TRY AND START ARGUING WITH ME?
If its a true statement that cant be argued, whats the point?

Because it is a stupid statement, void of any substance.



And again, I never said it wasnt a crappy or good trade, but I know it got us Udoka, and who knows who that pick will end up being, and who knows how good Scola or Butler will be for the Rockets, so Ill hold off judgment until I can see a more clear picture of how the trade turned out a couple of years from now

Must be nice balancing on the fence.

[ChumpDumper]

:rolleyes \Don't roll your eyes. This is exactly what you all are implying.


There lies the problem, why didn't the FO want him?Ask them. Maybe he was as big a dick as some of these Argentinian posters and changed the Spurs' mind.

[mardigan]

:rolleyes



There lies the problem, why didn't the FO want him?
And that s the main question that Ive wondered myself. Either they knew he wouldnt play much here because of Tim, and maybe he didnt want to come off the bench. Or they just didnt think his skill set would be a good fit here. Either way, I trust the SPurs fo, they have a pretty good track record so far.
And its better for Scola anyway

[ChumpDumper]

Chump, stop this sitcom sketch already. You are repeating yourself with the "It's meaningful... ohh.. it isn't... oh... it is... oh... "
You are really smart when trying to pick a fight. I'd just say you are too bored.No, Argentinians came up with the "meaningless game" excuse once he got his third foul. Now that it's over and he ended up with 20, he's a lock to be a star in the NBA.

Which is it?
Scola is decent player even for the NBA. You don't like him, we get it.He might be a decent NBA player.

Might not.

You don't like me because I don't think he's an automatic NBA star. I get it.

[mardigan]

Because it is a stupid statement, void of any substance.




Must be nice balancing on the fence.
You should know all about that huh?
Why waste time responding then? Trying to show me how stupid my statement was? :lol Get your pantys in a bunch whenever someone isnt all over Scolas balls like a lot of people on here?
Its not a stupid statement, its a true statement. And with your rep around here, I really could care less about any insult you throw my way

Why cant I wait and see about a trade? I have to decide now?
I think most trades take a long time to see how they turn out

[smeagol]

So this game was extremely meaningful to both teams?

You saw the game, you tell me.

I saw Scola, the guy whose game you said would not transale well in the NBA, drop 20 / 5 against the NBA's elite in only 18 minutes.

[ShoogarBear]

Vassilis Spanoulis was a star in FIBA ball vs. the NBA's elite, too.

[ChumpDumper]

You saw the game, you tell me.No, you tell me.


I saw Scola, the guy whose game you said would not transale well in the NBA, drop 20 / 5 against the NBA's elite in only 18 minutes.I saw Batisita drop 10 points in one quarter on them without taking himself out of the game with stupid fouls too. Everyone knows he is an established NBA star.

You tell me exactly what this game meant to Argentina. I'm getting different stories from Argentinians depending on which Scola stat is being discussed.

[smeagol]

And with your rep around here,

What's my rep around here? :lol


I really could care less about any insult you throw my way

Did I insult you?

[ChumpDumper]

Scola scores 20 points = meaningful game

Scola commits 3 fouls in the first quarter = meaningless game

[smeagol]

Don't roll your eyes.

Yes sir!!!!



Ask them. Maybe he was as big a dick as some of these Argentinian posters and changed the Spurs' mind.

Or maybe the Spurs FO acted like dicks.

As you said, we don't know.

[smeagol]

No, you tell me.

I saw Batisita drop 10 points in one quarter on them without taking himself out of the game with stupid fouls too. Everyone knows he is an established NBA star.

You tell me exactly what this game meant to Argentina. I'm getting different stories from Argentinians depending on which Scola stat is being discussed.

I don't know for a fact what this game meant to Scola or the Argie NT. All I saw was Scola playing with passion and having a decent game.

I find it funny that the people who blindly trust the Spurs FO (you, mardigan and others) never miss the chance to bash Scola.

[mardigan]

You saw the game, you tell me.

I saw Scola, the guy whose game you said would not transale well in the NBA, drop 20 / 5 against the NBA's elite in only 18 minutes.
He did look very good on offense, but he also wasnt be guarded by a NBA pf the whole game. He scored a lot of his points of of easy layups, but he moves well without the ball, and with Yaos passing, he could very well get a lot of easy looks next year
Hid d isnt great, but the foul trouble might be attributed to him having to guard sfs all game.
The only problem I saw, was that he did have a little trouble getting deep post position against smaller guys. I just want to see him play against an actual NBA pf

[smeagol]

So I guess those were compliments?

:lol :lol :lol

You are kidding right?

I never once insulted you.

Go and read one of whottt's posts to see what the meaning of insult is. :lol

[smeagol]

He did look very good on offense, but he also wasnt be guarded by a NBA pf the whole game. He scored a lot of his points of of easy layups, but he moves well without the ball, and with Yaos passing, he could very well get a lot of easy looks next year
Hid d isnt great, but the foul trouble might be attributed to him having to guard sfs all game.
The only problem I saw, was that he did have a little trouble getting deep post position against smaller guys. I just want to see him play against an actual NBA pf


Good post :clap

[ChumpDumper]

How am I bashing Scola if I am asking YOU what this game meant to the Argies?

I am bashing Argentinians who are talking out of both sides of their asses, and now I'm bashing you because you're being a pussy and not answering a simple question.

I have simply not been convinced Scola will be a solid NBA player, and since many Argies who have more balls than you said yesterday's game was meaningless, I'm still not convinced.

[smeagol]

Scola scores 20 points = meaningful game

Scola commits 3 fouls in the first quarter = meaningless game

You are using the wrong arguments with me.

I never said that.

Maybe you want to bring MMLH into the discussion . . .

[mardigan]

I don't know for a fact what this game meant to Scola or the Argie NT. All I saw was Scola playing with passion and having a decent game.

I find it funny that the people who blindly trust the Spurs FO (you, mardigan and others) never miss the chance to bash Scola.
Why wouldnt we trust the Spurs fo? They got 4 titles
I find it funny that a lot of the Argies here are showing their true colors with this issue
Never said the guy wasnt good, just that he has to prove it in the NBA. If he gets those easy looks and knocks down those jumpers in the NBA, Ill think hes good, just like every college player or Euro player that comes over has to prove they can play.
I thought Bargnani was going to suck ass, and he was the 1st pick, he proved me wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

You are using the wrong arguments with me.

I never said that.That's right, you said nothing about the game, so your opinion about Scola's play in it doesn't count.

[smeagol]

How am I bashing Scola if I am asking YOU what this game meant to the Argies?

I have already answered.


I am bashing Argentinians who are talking out of both sides of their asses,

Not sure why, because those guys are not posting in this thread right now.



and now I'm bashing you because you're being a pussy and not answering a simple question.


I already did. The answer is: I don't know. And neither do you nor the Argie posters you are bashing. As I said (and you missed), I saw Scola playing with passion, trying to win. Same applies to the entire NT team. But it is also a fact that they were already qualified andf the real Championship starts tomorrow.


I have simply not been convinced Scola will be a solid NBA player, and since many Argies who have more balls than you said yesterday's game was meaningless, I'm still not convinced.

Stop insulting me! :depressed

[smeagol]

That's right, you said nothing about the game, so your opinion about Scola's play in it doesn't count.
Only in CD's twisted logic.

[mavs>spurs2]

Anyone who still has their panties in a bunch over the Scola trade was never a true Spur fan to begin with. The Spurs front office is the best in the league, period. I've said this before, if the Mavs had the Spurs front office we would have about 2-3 championships by now. Look at what we've gone through. Letting a 2 time MVP walk for nothing in return, Dampier's contract, paying Finley to play for a contender, Shawn Bradley's contract, the Tariq Abdul Wahad fiasco, etc.

If your real allegiance is with Argentinian players, not the Spurs, then just quit bitching and go watch the Rockets, it's that simple.

I'm willing to bet that Scola is nothing more than a role player in the league. I seriously doubt he makes any all-star games. If he does THEN, and only then, will you have a legit reason to complain.

[hendrix]

No, Argentinians came up with the "meaningless game" excuse once he got his third foul. Now that it's over and he ended up with 20, he's a lock to be a star in the NBA.

Which is it?He might be a decent NBA player.

Might not.

We agree. Everything about the future is a "might".



You don't like me because I don't think he's an automatic NBA star. I get it.

Don't worry, you can live on. Some people will eventually like you.

[ChumpDumper]

Only in CD's twisted logic.You can't tell me whether this game had any meaning to Argentina, but you say they were trying to win.

Congratulations, you have now joined the ranks of the Argies talking out of both sides of their asses.

[2centsworth]

Only in CD's twisted logic.
there's no logic.


Scola is a prospect period. The Spurs gave him a way for a second round pick. Unless the Spurs fire RC, look for that 2nd pick to be another Marcus Williams.

[mardigan]

there's no logic.


Scola is a prospect period. The Spurs gave him a way for a second round pick. Unless the Spurs fire RC, look for that 2nd pick to be another Marcus Williams.
Or Manu?

[2centsworth]

The Spurs front office is the best in the league

please tell me what they've done in the draft the past 5 years to deserve that distinction.

[ChumpDumper]

Or Manu?
Or Scola :lmao

[2centsworth]

Or Manu?
Manu was a long freakin time ago and we don't have to give away good prospects to get 2nd round picks.

[ChumpDumper]

please tell me what they've done in the draft the past 5 years to deserve that distinction.Championships are won and lost in the last positions of the draft.

[mardigan]

please tell me what they've done in the draft the past 5 years to deserve that distinction.
SO it has to be in the draft to make a difference? Finley, Horry, Barry, Oberto, none of these guys have made a difference right?

[2centsworth]

Or Scola :lmao
again, did we trade away a top prospect like Manu or Tiago to get that pick?

Your lack of logic is funny.

[ChumpDumper]

again, did we trade away a top prospect like Manu or Tiago to get that pick?

Your lack of logic is funny.Top prospect?

What do you think Scola is going to do in this league?

Give me some stats.

[2centsworth]

SO it has to be in the draft to make a difference? Finley, Horry, Barry, Oberto, none of these guys have made a difference right?
The draft brings Tim, Tony and Manu!

[ChumpDumper]

The draft brings Tim, Tony and Manu!And Beno and Carawell and Leon Smith!

[samikeyp]

And just think, when the US and Argentina play for the Gold...we get to do this all agan! :lol


its ok, come November, most of us will be on the same side again rooting for the Spurs. :)

[2centsworth]

Top prospect?

What do you think Scola is going to do in this league?

Give me some stats.
Top prospects can bomb in the league. Out of the top 10 guys drafted in the league I bet some will bomb, but they are still top prospects.


That's all you can say for certain, unless you're drafting Tim Duncan.

[ChumpDumper]

Top prospects can bomb in the league. Out of the top 10 guys drafted in the league I bet some will bomb, but they are still top prospects.


That's all you can say for certain, unless you're drafting Tim Duncan.
What do you think Scola is going to do in this league?

Give me some stats.

[2centsworth]

And Beno and Carawell and Leon Smith!
what's your point? More trolling?

[mardigan]

The draft brings Tim, Tony and Manu!
And free agancy brings Horry, Berrty, Finley, and barry, so what?
How could any Spur fan coming off a title, and 3 in 5, doubt the Spurs fo?
And :lol at top prospect

[samikeyp]

And Beno and Carawell and Leon Smith!

Actually, Leon Smith was chosen for Dallas then traded there.

[2centsworth]

your question
Let me rephrase your question intelligently. What do I think he has the POTENTIAL to do? I think he has potential to be a 12 and 6 clutchy type of guy.

[2centsworth]

And free agancy brings Horry, Berrty, Finley, and barry, so what?
How could any Spur fan coming off a title, and 3 in 5, doubt the Spurs fo?
And :lol at top prospect
If you can't see the value of the big 3 over role players and then that's on you.

Spurs can always find veteran role players, but finding stud Championship players will only be available in the draft for the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually, Leon Smith was chosen for Dallas then traded there.Exactly.

[ChumpDumper]

Let me be a dick and rephrase your question. What do I think he has the POTENTIAL to do? I think he has potential to be a 12 and 6 clutchy type of guy.Fine. I don't think he'll rebound that well and I've seen him suck badly in some clutch situations.

[mardigan]

If you can't see the value of the big 3 over role players and then that's on you.

Spurs can always find veteran role players, but finding stud Championship players will only be available in the draft for the Spurs.
Yea, I see the value of the big 3. Only Tim was a high pick, where did the other 2 come from? Oh, thats right, the SPurs fo saw something that other teams didnt
And those vet role players play a huge part, not just any guys can get thrown in there and succeed

[2centsworth]

Yea, I see the value of the big 3. Only Tim was a high pick, where did the other 2 come from? Oh, thats right, the SPurs fo saw something that other teams didnt
And those vet role players play a huge part, not just any guys can get thrown in there and succeed
Again, my question to you is what have the spurs done in the draft the past 5 years? First you answer get veteran role players and now you're trying to say they got the 2 of the big 3. Can you follow the line of questioning?

[smeagol]

You can't tell me whether this game had any meaning to Argentina, but you say they were trying to win.

How the hell can I answer that question? Only the guys who played know that. I'm just telling you what I saw. I saw them play to win. But it wopuldn't surprise me if Hernandez kept Scola and others on the bench longer than otherwise he would've because Argentina is already qualified for the final round. Is this concept so difficult to understand?


Congratulations, you have now joined the ranks of the Argies talking out of both sides of their asses.

Congratulations, again you come up with a statement straight from your rectum.

[mardigan]

Again, my question to you is what have the spurs done in the draft the past 5 years? First you answer get veteran role players and now you're trying to say they got the 2 of the big 3. Can you follow the line of questioning?
Why would they have to have good drafts in the last 5 years when the years before that set up a great team?
The SPurs fo
A)Got 2 steals in Parker and Manu
B)Brought in key free agents
C)Won Titles
What else do you want from them?
But I guess to answer your question directly, nothing. Because they havent needed to do anything.
Hopefully Ian and Splitter work out, then maybe you wont be so hard on the Spurs fo that cant do anything right

[ChumpDumper]

How the hell can I answer that question? Only the guys who played know that. I'm just telling you what I saw. I saw them play to win. But it wopuldn't surprise me if Hernandez kept Scola and others on the bench longer than otherwise he would've because Argentina is already qualified for the final round. Is this concept so difficult to understand?So, you're going back to being a pussy. Ok.
Congratulations, again you come up with a statement straight from your rectum.Uh, that's pretty much the same joke. Step up your game.

[ALVAREZ6]

chump likes to hump while bending his rump and taking a dump

[2centsworth]

Why would they have to have good drafts in the last 5 years when the years before that set up a great team?
The SPurs fo
A)Got 2 steals in Parker and Manu
B)Brought in key free agents
C)Won Titles
What else do you want from them?
But I guess to answer your question directly, nothing. Because they havent needed to do anything.
Hopefully Ian and Splitter work out, then maybe you wont be so hard on the Spurs fo that cant do anything right
they haven't done anything since RC has been the GM is my point. Also, doing nothing in the draft when your job is to do something is still failure in my eyes.

[smeagol]

So, you're going back to being a pussy.
:dizzy

You make me dizzy.

So, CD, you are very opinionated and know pretty much everything. Did this game mean much for Argentina?



Ok.Uh, that's pretty much the same joke. Step up your game.

You think I have more game than this? :lol

[mardigan]

they haven't done anything since RC has been the GM is my point. Also, doing nothing in the draft when your job is to do something is still failure in my eyes.
Well I guess I can see that.
But I also think the SPurs do what they can with their constant low draft picks. And I also think that at this point, they really havent had much playing time available to guys they could draft having the players they do.
I guess the Scola trade just pissed people off more than i realize

[ChumpDumper]

:dizzy

You make me dizzy.

So, CD, you are very opinionated and know pretty much everything. Did this game mean much for Argentina?That's just it. I have admitted to not being sure about Scola. I want to be able to use this tournament as some kind of barometer, but I have been told that the last game against the US didn't matter and the next one won't either because both teams will have qualified for the Olympics.

So telling me you don't know if this game meant anything is worthless to me.

[ArgSpursFan]

you are getting owned Smeagol,but you are so polite,and want people to think Argentinians are very nice and respectfull.
C´mon,stand up and be a man.
I´ll help you,watch

Go fuck yourself Chump :fro

[ALVAREZ6]

what a retard

[hendrix]

Scola was traded for nothing. Almost nothing to be fair with the greek.
The point is not if Scola is a potential NBA talent but the fact that you all try to justify the move that is certaintly questionable.
I'm not saying it is a bad move... perhaps Scola has a hot relative that visited the FO.

Scola is VERY happy with the move. That speaks well of the Spurs. They are kind and respectful of the foreign worker. Not many can be regarded as such.

[smeagol]

you are getting owned Smeagol,but you are so polite,and want people to think Argentinians are very nice and respectfull.
C´mon,stand up and be a man.
I´ll help you,watch

Go fuck yourself Chump :fro

You are just a newbie idiot who knows shit, and that is probably as polite as I can be with you.

And I have no problem getting owned by chump, 'cause he knows way more b-ball then you and me put together.

But you probably thinks because he is American, he must be ignorant or something.

You are much worst than the people you critizice.

And worse of all, you a racist and a disgrace.

[ChumpDumper]

Scola was traded for nothing. Almost nothing to be fair with the greek.
The point is not if Scola is a potential NBA talent but the fact that you all try to justify the move that is certaintly questionable.
I'm not saying it is a bad move... perhaps Scola has a hot relative that visited the FO.
Nobody likes deals made to avoid the luxury tax, but that's the way things are in the NBA.

[ArgSpursFan]

You are just a newbie idiot who knows shit, and that is probably as polite as I can be with you.

And I have no problem getting owned by chump, 'cause he knows way more b-ball then you and me put together.

But you probably thinks because he is American, he must be ignorant or something.

You are much worst than the people you critizice.

And worse of all, you a racist and a disgrace.

you´re a pussy.if I ever meet you,I´ll take away your Argentinian Passport,and brake it.
Go get the US citizentship,pussy.
talking about disgrace....

[mardigan]

Nobody likes deals made to avoid the luxury tax, but that's the way things are in the NBA.
Chump, didnt the deal in a roundabout way get us Udoka as well?

[smeagol]

you´re a pussy.if I ever meet you,I´ll take away your Argentinian Passport,and brake it.
Go get the US citizentship,pussy.
talking about disgrace....

Uhhh . . . internet tough guy.

What was that again about balck guys?

Moron.

[ArgSpursFan]

Uhhh . . . internet tough guy.



.

not just internet,believe that

[ShoogarBear]

not just internet,believe thatPhone and regular mail, too, I bet.

[mardigan]

Phone and regular mail, too, I bet.
:lol

[chungoman]

I'm fucking sick of this guy. You are an embarrasment.

[ALVAREZ6]

:lmao

You better watch out smeagol, he's gonna break your passport!

[smeagol]

not just internet,believe that
You are probably a barrabrava.

By any chance, where you in the Carrefour parking lot earlier this weak? :lmao

[smeagol]

:lmao

You better watch out smeagol, he's gonna break your passport!

Don't worry . . . I can use my American one . . . :lmao

[Kori Ellis]

I moved that other thread to the Political Forum. I'm not moving this one too. If anyone insists on keeping up with the racial/national/political/general stupidity in this thread, they'll be banned for a week.

Thanks.

[smeagol]

Ok, I'm out.

[ShoogarBear]

Crap, you mean now I have posts in the Political Forum?

How embarrassing.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump, didnt the deal in a roundabout way get us Udoka as well?The trade made room for it. The Spurs FO has historically been allowed to go slightly above the luxury tax, so the ownership certainly hasn't maximized their profits the way they could have. Spending will always remain a concern though, so we spurfans should be used to that.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

These threads are getting boring.

How long 'till the regular season starts???

[ducks]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2998795&type=story
LAS VEGAS -- Kobe Bryant's strong start quickly took the drama out of the most-anticipated game of the FIBA Americas tournament.


Now comes the only one that matters.

Bryant scored 27 points -- 15 in the first quarter -- and the United States cruised into the semifinals of the FIBA Americas tournament as the No. 1 seed by beating Argentina 91-76 Thursday night.

Carmelo Anthony added 18 points and LeBron James had 15 for the Americans, who will face Puerto Rico in Saturday's second semifinal game. A victory there gives them a berth in the 2008 Olympics.

"It was a little stagnant at the start and I came out and got hot early and we rode that for a little bit and helped us get off to a quick start," Bryant said. "We're close to accomplishing our goal."


Kobe Bryant scored 15 first-quarter points as Team USA reached the FIBA Americas tournament semis.

The Americans took control early and were never threatened in the matchup with the defending Olympic gold medalists, who also came in undefeated despite playing this qualifying tournament without the core of their team.

"Tonight we had in the back of our minds was going to be one of the biggest games of the tournament," Anthony said. "We knew that, we knew we had to come out here and be aggressive."

An Olympic berth seems likely for a U.S. team (8-0) that had overwhelmed its opponents before playing its toughest foe in the finale of round-robin play.

The Americans averaged 117.6 points while beating their first seven opponents by 42.7 per game, not too far from the 121.2 points and 51.5 victory margin averaged by Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird and the rest of the Dream Team in the Olympic qualifier 15 years ago.

While this game was closer, it wasn't much harder. Bryant hit his first three shots to get the Americans off to a quick start, and they led by as many as 25 points in a game that was never in doubt after the opening minutes.

"The U.S. is difficult enough to play with the score, let alone when you are 10, 15 points down," Argentina coach Sergio Hernandez said. "It was a more physical game than we wanted to play. We wanted to play a smart game, control the ball, but we were down too fast."

The anticipated game brought the most energetic crowd of the poorly attended tournament -- Las Vegas entertainment icon Wayne Newton had a courtside seat -- with a group of singing, flag-waving Argentineans sometimes drowned out by chants of "USA! USA!"

Argentina beat the U.S. in the 2002 world championships, then did it again in the semifinals of the Athens Olympics. The Americans avenged that loss with a victory in the bronze medal game at last year's worlds.

But the Argentineans arrived in Las Vegas without some of the top players from those teams. Manu Ginobili and Fabricio Oberto, starters for the NBA champion San Antonio Spurs, opted to rest this summer along with Chicago's Andres Nocioni and Charlotte's Walter Herrmann.

"Argentina is Argentina," Anthony said. "The guys they had out there was still good players, we couldn't sleep on them. We studied film just as if they were going to have their whole team. We wish that their main players were here, but obviously they couldn't be here. We had to take care of business regardless."

That left Luis Scola, who scored 20 points, and Carlos Delfino as the mainstays of those teams who opted to play. A victory over Brazil on Saturday would guarantee their teammates could return in Beijing.

"We've been doing a great job in this tournament, but I don't believe in stars," Scola said. "At the end of the game, it's what you did. Today we were down 26, 28, but the reserves come in and we finished down 15. Everybody has to do what it takes."

And while they had won their first seven games here, it hadn't been easy for the Argentineans. They were forced to overtime twice, including Wednesday night's victory over Brazil in which they erased a 17-point deficit, and were playing for the eighth straight day.

The Americans quickly jumped on them, as Bryant made three 3-pointers and was 6-of-8 from the field in the first quarter to help open a 28-13 lead. The U.S. lead was 49-30 at halftime, with the Americans shooting 59 percent from the field. Argentina missed 11 of 12 3-point attempts in the first 20 minutes.

"It was a little stagnant at the start and I came out and got hot early and we rode that for a little bit and helped us get off to a quick start," Bryant said.

The lead grew to 25 in the third quarter when Bryant raced upcourt with a loose ball, shook off a bump near midcourt by putting the ball between his legs, and made a layup while being fouled with 4:09 left.

[MajorMike]

you´re a pussy.if I ever meet you,I´ll take away your Argentinian Passport,and brake it.
Go get the US citizentship,pussy.
talking about disgrace....

I'm so glad we have a couple other argie posters, because I would hate for the only interaction people on this board have with an argie native to be with this dolt. People here would think that all argies were pompous loud mouth idiots that continually spout insane bather and don't care how stupid they look continually.

[ducks]

Anyone who still has their panties in a bunch over the Scola trade was never a true Spur fan to begin with. The Spurs front office is the best in the league, period. I've said this before, if the Mavs had the Spurs front office we would have about 2-3 championships by now. Look at what we've gone through. Letting a 2 time MVP walk for nothing in return, Dampier's contract, paying Finley to play for a contender, Shawn Bradley's contract, the Tariq Abdul Wahad fiasco, etc.

If your real allegiance is with Argentinian players, not the Spurs, then just quit bitching and go watch the Rockets, it's that simple.

I'm willing to bet that Scola is nothing more than a role player in the league. I seriously doubt he makes any all-star games. If he does THEN, and only then, will you have a legit reason to complain.
:clap :clap

[Kori Ellis]

I think I said enough of the nonsense more than once.

This is a thread about the basketball game.

Everything else needs to be put aside. Thanks.

[ducks]

The lead grew to 25 in the third quarter when Bryant raced upcourt with a loose ball, shook off a bump near midcourt by putting the ball between his legs, and made a layup while being fouled with 4:09 left.

[hendrix]

For a moment I thought... Is ducks learning to write?? Then I realized: He copied and pasted.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

wait, wait! I have ammo on the guy :lol

Here's a private message the douche sent me threatening me for having made an ass of him earlier this year


Si no te gusta lo q digo,ignorame.
Si no te estoy respondiendo a vos o hablando de vos en las conversaciones del forum,te pediria q ni te tomes el trabajo de responder a mis comentarios.
Ahora si lo queres hacer,hacelo con respeto,a no ser q yo te lo haya faltado antes a vos al respeto,atacame,todo bien.
Pero si yo a vos no te doy bola,no te ataco,y ni me importa las boludeces q decis,dejame de romper la pelotas porque te vas a comer la cagada de tu vida pendejo de mierda.
Gracias.
Turns out English is not the only language he's awful at...

Hey ArgSpursFan, you might be proud to be an Argie, but the rest here are ashamed that you are one. Live with that.

Just wanted to sneak that one in, Kori, had to :p:

[Solid D]

not just internet,believe that

http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/2006/Popovich_Gregg_san_070610.jpg
"Uh, I believe you need to go sit in the corner".

[Ariel]

wait, wait! I have ammo on the guy :lol

Here's a private message the douche sent me threatening me for having made an ass of him earlier this year


Turns out English is not the only language he's awful at...

Hey ArgSpursFan, you might be proud to be an Argie, but the rest here are ashamed that you are one. Live with that.

Just wanted to sneak that one in, Kori, had to :p:
He did the exact same thing with me at another Spurs forum, where he wore out his welcome. He sent me a PM, which I also made public, which he responded with a "cerra el orto negro quilmeño". I could be a green midget for all he knows. But anyway, this guy just doesn't get it, and he eventually turns the whole forum against him. This is not his first time, and chances are, he'll do it again somewhere else in the future. The most unfortunate thing is, he'll drag us all with him in the process. What a shame.

[smeagol]

ArgArgArgArgFan has been outed for what he is.

[wildchild]

Attention-getting :rolleyes

The all argies bigs controlled Amare easily. Really, Amare sucks. Howard>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Amare.

[ArgSpursFan]

ArgArgArgArgFan has been outed for what he is.

you still mad at me? gringo wannabe? :lol

[Switchman]

peep teh sig.

[my2sons]

Top prospect?

What do you think Scola is going to do in this league?

Give me some stats.

If he was a top prospect why wasn't anyone else offering more for the guy. Rokets got him on the cheap, it would not have cost much to take him away from the rockets with a better offer. Aparently no one else thought enough of the guy to take a chance, so ya, i would say he is a prospect. He is one of the biggest role of the dice type players, not a sure thing. the best thing for houston is that if he craps out, it didn't cost anything.