VY and Leinart fans.......

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Dude, while I hate bashing my favorite team (the only favorite team), you are once again showing that you don't watch the games, you just talk out of your ass.

The Broncos receivers are great, no doubt, but when you don't have any time to throw the ball, it makes it sort of tough.

On defense, you've proven you just know the names and not the players. Lynch cannot stop the pass (at all) anymore, and he's frequently abused by one juke moves nowadays from runningbacks, plus he got hurt in the first quarter of Sunday's game.

Simeon Rice has shown his age and is damn near worthless against the run. Ian Gold misses more tackles then he makes and offenses just have to run the ball constantly against the Broncos in order to take up a bunch of clock and keep Cutler and the offense off the field and out of rythm.

The Broncos are allowing like 170 rushing yards a game right now.
And that is a big difference between Cutler and Young. Even if his line doesn't hold up, Young won't just stand there and take a sack. He can buy more time for the offense.

IMO, that defense is underperforming at the moment. Not sure why, but they definitely should be playing better than they are, especially considering the 2 corners they have, they should be able to focus a lot more on the run. It's not their fault if the gameplanning has been horrible. Not to mention, Lamont Jordan had an unusually good day. That's not going to happen too often.

And of all people, you have no room to talk about not watching games. :dizzy

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

down 14-10 he drove his team down the field for the go ahead score. At that point the saints tanked and turned the ball over 3 more times.

VY was a solid B last night with a Quarterback rating above 90. Of course those stats never take into account the pressure he puts on opposing defenses with his legs.


You can continue the VY hate all you want, but he's only going to make you look dumber than you already do.

Pre-Vince the Titans were 0-4 and expected to be one of the worst franschises in the league. Since Vince started the Titans are 12-4!!!

Also, I heard last night that Vince's 4th quarter QB rating is above 100.


So now QB rating means something?

[johnsmith]

And that is a big difference between Cutler and Young. Even if his line doesn't hold up, Young won't just stand there and take a sack. He can buy more time for the offense.

IMO, that defense is underperforming at the moment. Not sure why, but they definitely should be playing better than they are, especially considering the 2 corners they have, they should be able to focus a lot more on the run. It's not their fault if the gameplanning has been horrible. Not to mention, Lamont Jordan had an unusually good day. That's not going to happen too often.

And of all people, you have no room to talk about not watching games. :dizzy

Clearly we are going to have to agree to disagree with all this shit.

Plus we should go back to just talking football instead of trying to out insult one another.

Gotta go, later fellas.

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down 14-10 he drove his team down the field for the go ahead score. At that point the saints tanked and turned the ball over 3 more times.

VY was a solid B last night with a Quarterback rating above 90. Of course those stats never take into account the pressure he puts on opposing defenses with his legs.


You can continue the VY hate all you want, but he's only going to make you look dumber than you already do.

Pre-Vince the Titans were 0-4 and expected to be one of the worst franschises in the league. Since Vince started the Titans are 12-4!!!

Also, I heard last night that Vince's 4th quarter QB rating is above 100.

Actually, they are 10-6 since he took over, but thats still quite good, for such a young QB on a talent deprived offense.

And yea, VY has a 4th quarter QB rating of 128, and his 3rd down rating is around 90 as well.

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So now QB rating means something?
no one said it didnt...

[2centsworth]

So now QB rating means something?
I'm using your own criteria. To me it does mean something, but not everything. For example, Roger Staubach had a career 83% QB rating, but he certainly was a much better QB, leader, winner, etc... than most other QBs with higher ratings.

[2centsworth]

Clearly we are going to have to agree to disagree with all this shit.

Plus we should go back to just talking football instead of trying to out insult one another.

Gotta go, later fellas.no need to insult you. you do a good enough job of making yourself look bad.

[peewee's lovechild]

Vince Young is the black Tony Romo.

;)

:lol

Tony Romo = Brown Jesus (maybe Hispanic Jesus?)

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no need to insult you. you do a good enough job of making yourself look bad.
lol, owned... again

[tlongII]

Vince Young is much better than I believed he was. The dude is a freaking superstar! I still don't think he's all that smart, but that kid can play football.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It's really rather simple to me. I think that his defense gets overlooked time and time again, especially on this board. They should get just as much credit as he does.

His 128 rating is great in the 4th, but who keeps them in the game for the other 3 Qs when his rating is 69?

He looked better last night than he did in the first two games, IMO, but he still has a ways to go throwing the ball.

[peewee's lovechild]

Vince Young is much better than I believed he was. The dude is a freaking superstar! I still don't think he's all that smart, but that kid can play football.

:lol :lol

According to the Wonderlick Test, he's not even supposed to know what a football is.

[2centsworth]

He looked better last night than he did in the first two games, IMO, but he still has a ways to go throwing the ball.
what are you basing that on? since the first game his completion % is above 60%. Is he a perfect passer right now? No, but he's very accurate when he knows where to go with the ball. His weakness is reading defenses which should come with experience. To be successful passers QBs must be first and foremost accurate. For right now his passing skills are at about a C+ because of the strength of his arm and his accuracy. Because of everything else he brings to the table overall he is a solid B+ quarterback.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

What am I basing it on?

He was only completing 33% of his passes between 11-20 yards in the 1st 2 games. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that's the worst completion % in the league.

[monosylab1k]

It's really rather simple to me. I think that his defense gets overlooked time and time again,
you mean the defense that was the worst in the NFL last season and lost their best player for the year? that defense?

[fyatuk]

He'll get injured.......frequently.

That remains to be seen. Young doesn't have a history of getting hurts, and if you watch him, he knows how to avoid the brunt of a hit and roll with it, something other mobile QB's (vick, mcnabb, etc) have never really figured out.

That's not to say he won't get injured, just that he has a much better chance of staying healthy than the majority of his predecessors of that archetype.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Strictly on stats, they were one of the worst. But so was VY as a QB.

But they made quite a few game-changing plays, hey, just like VY. Second in the league with 8 defensive TDs. Bears had 9.

[monosylab1k]

Strictly on stats, they were one of the worst. But so was VY as a QB.
wrong.

statistically, VY was among the worst as a passer. Not as a quarterback.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Statistically, the Titans D was among the worst in yards and points. Not as a scoring defense.

Happy?

[2centsworth]

What am I basing it on?

He was only completing 33% of his passes between 11-20 yards in the 1st 2 games. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that's the worst completion % in the league.you will go to the end of the earth to find a bob ucker stat. where did you get that hateVinceYoung.com. :lol

it's a waste of time trying to argue the point with you. VY is completing over 60% of his passes, he has over an 80% passer rating, and he kills people with his feet. Continue the hate fest.

[monosylab1k]

Statistically, the Titans D was among the worst in yards and points. Not as a scoring defense.

Happy?
not really. your comparison still makes no sense.

the whole point of a defense is to prevent points from being put on the scoreboard by the opposition. they were 31 out of 32 in doing that. 8 defensive TD's in 16 games is great and all but they still failed miserably as a defense.

the whole point of a QB is to put points on the board and lead his team to wins. Find me all the other QB's who did better than 18 TD's in 13 starts with 8 wins and we'll see if VY was really one of the "worst" QB's last year.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

you will go to the end of the earth to find a bob ucker stat. where did you get that hateVinceYoung.com. :lol

it's a waste of time trying to argue the point with you. VY is completing over 60% of his passes, he has over an 80% passer rating, and he kills people with his feet. Continue the hate fest.


The hate thing is overplayed and stupid.

Any NFL QB should to be able complete 60% of his passes when 80% of them are under 10 yards.

To be a better passer, he has to get better on the intermediate routes to sustain drives against the better Ds in the league. His accuracy just isn't there yet.

Is that hard to understand?

[degenerate_gambler]

It's really rather simple to me. I think that his defense gets overlooked time and time again, especially on this board. They should get just as much credit as he does.


Jeff Fisher's a damn good coach.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No arguments there.

[monosylab1k]

Jeff Fisher's a damn good coach.
He absolutely is. Although he WAS right on the verge of being fired until he gave the starting job to a certain really shitty QB who can't fucking throw. Now he's got a contract extension. Amazing how he did that in spite of that shit QB he's got who coincidentally was named the starter as the team improved miraculously and went 8-4 down the stretch.

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He absolutely is. Although he WAS right on the verge of being fired until he gave the starting job to a certain really shitty QB who can't fucking throw. Now he's got a contract extension. Amazing how he did that in spite of that shit QB he's got who coincidentally was named the starter as the team improved miraculously and went 8-4 down the stretch.
Lol, starting Kerry Collins for those first 4 games of the year was the biggest mistake Jeff Fisher has ever made, and it nearly got him fired, despite being one of the best coaches in the league.

KFC is such a piece of garbage.

[2centsworth]

Lol, starting Kerry Collins for those first 4 games of the year was the biggest mistake Jeff Fisher has ever made, and it nearly got him fired, despite being one of the best coaches in the league.

KFC is such a piece of garbage.
that's some serious ownage right there.

[2centsworth]

The hate thing is overplayed and stupid.

Any NFL QB should to be able complete 60% of his passes when 80% of them are under 10 yards.

To be a better passer, he has to get better on the intermediate routes to sustain drives against the better Ds in the league. His accuracy just isn't there yet.

Is that hard to understand?
i understand you have no idea what it takes to win football games. doesn't surpise me you being from Detroit.


Dude is 16 games into his career and you expect him to pass like Peyton Manning. BTW, Peyton was horrible his first 16 games. Most Quarterbacks take 3 years to develop fully. Your hate keeps you from seeing it, and it's not overplayed, it's accurate.

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that's some serious ownage right there.
Seriously. That guy may be the only player in the league that can completely destroy a good team without even having to do anything detrimental to the team (aside from playing QB that is). He sucks. Ass.

[monosylab1k]

Kerry Collins career passer rating is better than Vince Young's.

Titans should have kept Collins as the starter.

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i understand you have no idea what it takes to win football games. doesn't surpise me you being from Detroit.


Dude is 16 games into his career and you expect him to pass like Peyton Manning. BTW, Peyton was horrible his first 16 games. Most Quarterbacks take 3 years to develop fully. Your hate keeps you from seeing it, and it's not overplayed, it's accurate.
Carson Palmer is another good example of that. The guy didn't even play the entire first year, and then the second year, he played some, but wasn't incredibly impressive, however showed promise. Then his third year and onward has been simply fantastic. Going 10-6 in your first 16 games, with such poor offensive talent, and a poor defense is pretty damn good, especially for someone that "cant pass" and is a "3-4 year project until he will be effective" like everyone was saying at first. the guy is a born leader, and playmaker. those are the two best qualities a QB can have, and those are qualities that you cant teach... you either have them, or you dont. you can develop arm strength can train accuracy to a point that you can be an NFL QB (if the QB is willing enough to work hard to learn and develop it). But this guy is special.

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Kerry Collins career passer rating is better than Vince Young's.

Titans should have kept Collins as the starter.
lol, johnsmith logic

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

i understand you have no idea what it takes to win football games. doesn't surpise me you being from Detroit.


Dude is 16 games into his career and you expect him to pass like Peyton Manning. BTW, Peyton was horrible his first 16 games. Most Quarterbacks take 3 years to develop fully. Your hate keeps you from seeing it, and it's not overplayed, it's accurate.


Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

I expect him to get better. I stated earlier that he probably will be better throwing the ball by the end of the year. He isn't there yet. He has a ways to go.

In no way do you refute that, in fact, you agree with me. Why else would you bring up Manning?

What's the point of your post again?

[2centsworth]

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

I expect him to get better. I stated earlier that he probably will be better throwing the ball by the end of the year. He isn't there yet. He has a ways to go.

In no way do you refute that, in fact, you agree with me. Why else would you bring up Manning?

What's the point of your post again?
that you're a hater. Vince Young is one of the best quarterbacks in the league. I don't see why you're trying your darndest to tear him down. All players have weaknesses except Vince Young in the 4th quarter.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

that you're a hater. Vince Young is one of the best quarterbacks in the league. I don't see why you're trying your darndest to tear him down. All players have weaknesses except Vince Young in the 4th quarter.


I think it's quite the opposite.

Best QBs in the league? That speaks for itself. I mean, didn't you just say it takes 2-3 years?

He has the potential, but he isn't there yet.

[2centsworth]

I think it's quite the opposite.

Best QBs in the league? That speaks for itself. I mean, didn't you just say it takes 2-3 years?

He has the potential, but he isn't there yet.2-3 years from being top 3. Right now he is top 10 easily!

top QBs:

Brady, Manning, Romo, Palmer, McNabb, Farve, Hasselback, and then Young IMO.

[johnsmith]

lol, johnsmith logic


lol, you're obsessed with me.

lol

[johnsmith]

that you're a hater. Vince Young is one of the best quarterbacks in the league. I don't see why you're trying your darndest to tear him down. All players have weaknesses except Vince Young in the 4th quarter.


I'll pretty much admit that this is my problem with VY, I just don't like him and most likely never will.

Plus he's an idiot.

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2-3 years from being top 3. Right now he is top 10 easily!

top QBs:

Brady, Manning, Romo, Palmer, McNabb, Farve, Hasselback, and then Young IMO.
Give me Young over Hasselbeck anyday. He's a good passer, and puts up decent passing stats, and is more mobile than most ordinary QBs, but thats about it. He doesn't do much of anything else. I personally would rather have Young over Favre as well, even though Favre is playing very well right now.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I don't know about easily. It'll shake out by the end of the year. Will VY continue to improve or will he regress?

And it's hard to see him beating out Palmer, Brady or Manning to get into that status. Maybe there will be four elite QBs and then everybody else. Who knows?

He can do it, but he has a lot of work to do. And so do the Titans FO.

[2centsworth]

I'll pretty much admit that this is my problem with VY, I just don't like him and most likely never will.

Plus he's an idiot.
I respect the honesty. I hope you rub off on some of your compadres.

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lol, you're obsessed with me.

lol
lol, stealing material

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Is it hating to say that VY played like complete shit today?

[midgetonadonkey]

VY doesn't ever play terrible games. He played so well that it just seems like he played like shit.

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Is it hating to say that VY played like complete shit today?
Nope. He played like complete shit today.

[monosylab1k]

Nope. He played like complete shit today.
He sure did.

However, he had the most important part of any QB stat line - W

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Very true. He made just enough plays to get them to the W, which is all that matters.

Jay Cutler on the other hand... lol... got beat by... LOL... NORV TURNER.

:lmao

[johnsmith]

Very true. He made just enough plays to get them to the W, which is all that matters.

Jay Cutler on the other hand... lol... got beat by... LOL... NORV TURNER.

:lmao

How did the Titans, Raiders, Cowboys, Bears, Packers, Vikings, Texans, Panthers, Rams, 49ers, and the rest of your teams do yesterday?


Yeah, the Broncos suck, but at least I'll stick by them and not start claiming allegiance to a bunch of other teams you bandwagoning waste of a person.

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Lol, a little mad, eh? Mad at the fact that the Raiders > Broncos?

... Jay Cutler...

:lmao

[johnsmith]

Lol, a little mad, eh? Mad at the fact that the Raiders > Broncos?

... Jay Cutler...

:lmao

Yeah, I suppose the anger came across a little in my response, my bad.


I don't know that the Raiders > Broncos, especially considering the Broncos suck but still beat the Raiders, but I do know that San Diego will win that division and neither the Broncos or the Raiders will get a wild card.

[Hook Dem]

Jay Cutler truly sucks!

[johnsmith]

Jay Cutler truly sucks!

:rolleyes

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Yeah, I suppose the anger came across a little in my response, my bad.


I don't know that the Raiders > Broncos, especially considering the Broncos suck but still beat the Raiders, but I do know that San Diego will win that division and neither the Broncos or the Raiders will get a wild card.
Maybe so... but for right now...

Raiders > Broncos

[johnsmith]

Maybe so... but for right now...

Raiders > Broncos

Can't really argue that.

[TheZackAttack!]

Cutler is winning:



http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6866339

What was that again????

[mardigan]

Lienart's out for the year. Kurt Warner returns!

[dickface]

Lienart's out for the year. Kurt Warner returns!
The Cardinals will make the playoffs.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Hmmm, 152 passing yards, 36 rushing yards, no passing TDs(one rushing), 2 INTs in his last two games.

He looks like a low-end QB right now.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Cutler looked like the better QB tonight.

[monosylab1k]

I should have expected this thread to get bumped tonight. Cowardly as hell. It's not like anybody says shit about him after the Titans win (something he's done alot more than Cutler thus far in their careers).

All VY can do is hit his receivers directly in the hands. It's up to them to catch it, something they did very little of tonight.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

True, they do drop a lot of balls but he also needs to work on his accuracy. His throws make some of those catches harder than they should be.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I should have expected this thread to get bumped tonight. Cowardly as hell. It's not like anybody says shit about him after the Titans win (something he's done alot more than Cutler thus far in their careers).



That would be incorrect. I bumped this on the 4th when he was horrible in his last two games and the Titans still won them both.

[TheTruth]

Both QB's looked damn good tonight. VInce has the worst WR corp in the league. Truly pathetic, but he does miss some open WR's from time to time. But he more than makes up for it in every other aspect of his game. Broncos should have sacked his ass at least 3 or 4 times tonight, he's special.

[johnsmith]

That would be incorrect. I bumped this on the 4th when he was horrible in his last two games and the Titans still won them both.

Plus, no one bumped it when Kerry Collins came in and "just won" two games for the Titans this year. You know, because Collins, "just wins" games for whomever he plays for.

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Plus, no one bumped it when Kerry Collins came in and "just won" two games for the Titans this year. You know, because Collins, "just wins" games for whomever he plays for.

:wtf

What two games did Kerry Collins win? He lost a game that the Titans should have won against the Bucs because of his utter inability to lead scoring drives, and then nearly lost one the next week by leading his team to constant 3-and-outs the entire 4th quarter, allowing Houston to make an amazing comeback, and almost win. He had to have his ass saved by the kicker after blowing a 25 pt lead in the 4th. VY does the exact opposite. He is the one LEADING the 25 pt comebacks in the 4th. Major difference between the two...

[johnsmith]

:wtf

What two games did Kerry Collins win? He lost a game that the Titans should have won against the Bucs because of his utter inability to lead scoring drives, and then nearly lost one the next week by leading his team to constant 3-and-outs the entire 4th quarter, allowing Houston to make an amazing comeback, and almost win. He had to have his ass saved by the kicker after blowing a 25 pt lead in the 4th. VY does the exact opposite. He is the one LEADING the 25 pt comebacks in the 4th. Major difference between the two...



My mistake, I thought the Titans won the game against the Bucs, VY must not have done well enough before he got hurt.

He still won the game against the Texans though, and as I recall, they don't have Collins in on kickoff return team to recover all of the Texans onside attempts.



Seriously though, both QB's looked really good last night and had VY's receivers not blown then it would have been a much closer game. VY still needs to get more accurate and quit throwing the ball like a woman, but if you take away the two late int's from his game last night then it looked fairly flawless.


Cutler finally strung together the complete game as well. He's been so close from putting it all there for now his first full season as an NFL qb, so we'll see if he can keep doing it now.


Both are much better then that douche bag from USC though.

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My mistake, I thought the Titans won the game against the Bucs, VY must not have done well enough before he got hurt.

VY got hurt rather early. There is only so much you can do in 2 quarters of play, especially considering he does his best work in the 4th quarter, which is what distinguishes the good QB's from the great QB's.


He still won the game against the Texans though, and as I recall, they don't have Collins in on kickoff return team to recover all of the Texans onside attempts.

Onside kicks did not lead to their huge comeback. It's not like every single possession was from on onside kick. I was watching the game and Collins was completely unable to do anything except lead his teams on 3-and-outs and meaningless drives that got them nowhere.


Seriously though, both QB's looked really good last night and had VY's receivers not blown then it would have been a much closer game. VY still needs to get more accurate and quit throwing the ball like a woman, but if you take away the two late int's from his game last night then it looked fairly flawless.

Cutler also has the great, consistent running system of Mike Shanahan to take the pressure off of him, as well as some solid recievers. VY pretty much has to do everything himself as no one else on his offense can consistently give him support.

[monosylab1k]

VY pretty much has to do everything himself as no one else on his offense can consistently give him support.
hmmm? :wtf on these boards I keep hearing this talk about how VY had Lendale White, the most badass RB to ever live.

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hmmm? :wtf on these boards I keep hearing this talk about how VY had Lendale White, the most badass RB to ever live.
:lol

The guy is good, but still young and has his inconsistencies. But I think him and VY are going to be a feared combo for years to come. They just need a good young reciever, like Matt Jones.

[leemajors]

:lol

The guy is good, but still young and has his inconsistencies. But I think him and VY are going to be a feared combo for years to come. They just need a good young reciever, like Matt Jones.
yeah he's not fat or lazy.

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yeah he's not fat or lazy.
Never said he wasn't.

[spursRgay]

:lol

The guy is good, but still young and has his inconsistencies. But I think him and VY are going to be a feared combo for years to come. They just need a good young reciever, like Matt Jones.

i dont think i would put the phrase "good young receiver" anywhere near the name Matt Jones. i think he's more of a "over-hyped first round flop."

[leemajors]

Never said he wasn't.
i just wanted to call him fat in case jgw was around.

[monosylab1k]

i dont think i would put the phrase "good young receiver" anywhere near the name Matt Jones. i think he's more of a "over-hyped first round flop."
Matt Jones has tremendous potential. The reason he isn't playing has nothing to do with his abilities, it's because Jack Del Rio has personal issues with Jones that stem from the same type of issues with Byron Leftwich.

Matt Jones is by far the best WR on the Jaguars but Del Rio won't play him simply to prove a point. If Jones leaves after this season, he will have a BREAKOUT year with whoever he goes to next year. Guaranteed.

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i dont think i would put the phrase "good young receiver" anywhere near the name Matt Jones. i think he's more of a "over-hyped first round flop."
I don't think you've seen the guy play much then. I can't blame you, as mono already went into detail about the whole Jack Del Rio thing. The guy is a gifted reciever. He has good hands, hes fast, and hes tall. Those are the three most important things for a reciever to have, and he has em all.

[johnsmith]

Cutler also has the great, consistent running system of Mike Shanahan to take the pressure off of him, as well as some solid recievers.


I still haven't figured out why the Broncos rushing offense is always so good. The O-line just zone blocks on run plays rather then trying to blow guys off the ball. It's really not that hard to figure out.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I'm kinda glad the game played out the way it did last night so the entire nation was witness to how incredibly shitty and worthless VY's WR's are. Even ----SCAIFE---- missed a direct pass that hit him right in his face mask

[spursRgay]

I don't think you've seen the guy play much then. I can't blame you, as mono already went into detail about the whole Jack Del Rio thing. The guy is a gifted reciever. He has good hands, hes fast, and hes tall. Those are the three most important things for a reciever to have, and he has em all.

if he has all the gifts then why isn't he playing? its not like the jags have a bunch of stud wr's taking his playing time. they have ernest wilford, dennis northcutt and reggie williams playing in front of him. it may be a little too early to call him a "1st round flop," but i think he was drafted way too early because of his "potential" which he has so far not lived up to.

[johnsmith]

if he has all the gifts then why isn't he playing? its not like the jags have a bunch of stud wr's taking his playing time. they have ernest wilford, dennis northcutt and reggie williams playing in front of him. it may be a little too early to call him a "1st round flop," but i think he was drafted way too early because of his "potential" which he has so far not lived up to.

Good point.




and the spurst are indeed gay.

[monosylab1k]

if he has all the gifts then why isn't he playing? its not like the jags have a bunch of stud wr's taking his playing time. they have ernest wilford, dennis northcutt and reggie williams playing in front of him. it may be a little too early to call him a "1st round flop," but i think he was drafted way too early because of his "potential" which he has so far not lived up to.
Um, we already addressed why Matt Jones isn't playing. It has nothing to do with his abilities on the field. It's a personal vendetta Jack Del Rio has against him that stems from similar personal issues with Byron Leftwich that eventually led to Leftwich's departure from the team.

Matt Jones will be playing somewhere else next year, and he's going to be damn good. Mark my words.

[spursRgay]

potential does not always equal results

[johngateswhiteley]

vince young is sucking again...no surprise there. But when Leinhart gets healthy, he will get back on track and continue to improve.

oh, and cutler is still overrated...

[johnsmith]

vince young is sucking again...no surprise there. But when Leinhart gets healthy, he will get back on track and continue to improve.

oh, and cutler is still overrated...

I don't think anyone in the media has rated Cutler very high in the first place.


Except the MNF crew, but they do that with every QB that is playing on any given night.

[mardigan]

vince young is sucking again...no surprise there. But when Leinhart gets healthy, he will get back on track and continue to improve.

oh, and cutler is still overrated...
Even when he was healthy this year he sucked ass, he had regressed to the point where the coaching staff had to play Warner as well. Lienart sucks, and will never be anything close to an upper level qb in this league.

[J.T.]

vince young is sucking again...no surprise there. But when Leinhart gets healthy, he will get back on track and continue to improve.

oh, and cutler is still overrated...

Someone's still bitter about the 2006 Rose Bowl.

[Extra Stout]

vince young is sucking again...no surprise there. But when Leinhart gets healthy, he will get back on track and continue to improve.

oh, and cutler is still overrated...
Leinart is lazy.

[johnsmith]

Leinart is lazy.


Couple that with all the diseases he surely picked up from Paris Hilton and a long career is not something I look for with Leinart.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

And why do people still spell Leinart with an H in it?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Hmm, what do you think of VY now? Honestly, he looks worse than he did last year. I thought he would be a lot better than he is now.

His reads and mechanics have been god-awful this year.

Competent WRs will help, but the kid needs to put a helluva lot of work in this offseason. He simply looks lost throwing the ball right now.

The Lions are rumored to be shopping Roy Williams this offseason and I think he'd be a perfect fit.

[2centsworth]

Hmm, what do you think of VY now? Honestly, he looks worse than he did last year. I thought he would be a lot better than he is now.

His reads and mechanics have been god-awful this year.

Competent WRs will help, but the kid needs to put a helluva lot of work in this offseason. He simply looks lost throwing the ball right now.

The Lions are rumored to be shopping Roy Williams this offseason and I think he'd be a perfect fit.
I agree with you that VY looks terrible this year.

[monosylab1k]

Hmm, what do you think of VY now? Honestly, he looks worse than he did last year. I thought he would be a lot better than he is now.

His reads and mechanics have been god-awful this year.

Competent WRs will help, but the kid needs to put a helluva lot of work in this offseason. He simply looks lost throwing the ball right now.

The Lions are rumored to be shopping Roy Williams this offseason and I think he'd be a perfect fit.
You were shockingly silent the week before when they beat the Texans and VY threw 2 TD's and posted a 99.9 QB rating.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

You were shockingly silent the week before when they beat the Texans and VY threw 2 TD's and posted a 99.9 QB rating.


I didn't watch any of the game(not even highlights) and hate to comment without watching at least part of the game.

I take it his WRs played better as well?

[monosylab1k]

I didn't watch any of the game(not even highlights) and hate to comment without watching at least part of the game.
sure you dont

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

And then?

[johnsmith]

I didn't watch any of the game(not even highlights) and hate to comment without watching at least part of the game.

I take it his WRs played better as well?


Dude, everyone knows that when VY plays well it's all because of him and when playing poorly (like he has a majority of the season) then it's his receivers fault.

VY is overhyped, and overrated and will continue to prove that for much of his career until his injuries knock him out of the league.

[2centsworth]

I think I'm pretty objective about VY. His decision making in the passing game has got to improve. Also, injuries have slowed him down, so he can't help much with his feet.

His receivers aren't very good either. Let's see what happens the rest of the way. Can he play well enough to get his team a wildcard birth?

[stretch]

His reads and mechanics have been god-awful this year.
It's hard to make good reads when your recievers clearly run the wrong routes.

[Mr Dio]

:lmao
VY is overhyped, and overrated and will continue to prove that for much of his career until his injuries knock him out of the league.

:lol

What is VY's record as a starter compared to Cuntler? Lameheart?
Damn, bitch slapped again!

[Mr Dio]

AND AGAIN! :lol

[samikeyp]

Head to head...round 1 to Vince.

[Mr Dio]

Head to head...round 1 to Vince.

:nope

Don't forget the way Vince Renamed that place in PAsadena, CA, Vince Young Memorial Field. :lol

[IronMexican]

Matt Jones has tremendous potential. The reason he isn't playing has nothing to do with his abilities, it's because Jack Del Rio has personal issues with Jones that stem from the same type of issues with Byron Leftwich.

Matt Jones is by far the best WR on the Jaguars but Del Rio won't play him simply to prove a point. If Jones leaves after this season, he will have a BREAKOUT year with whoever he goes to next year. Guaranteed.

hah

[Will Hunting]

lol Matt Jones

[Kyle Orton]

lol Matt Jones

[Spursfan092120]

lol Blake

[monosylab1k]

hah

Nothing I said has been proven wrong yet. Teams won't touch him for reasons other than his performance on the field. The guy is still a great talent.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Two years later and I still don't know what to make of the guy.

Is he going to be Jekyll and Hyde his entire career or has he finally turned the corner?

[IronMexican]

Nothing I said has been proven wrong yet. Teams won't touch him for reasons other than his performance on the field. The guy is still a great talent.

So are you really a Arkansas forum, or was there another reason behind you now being a Arkansas fan in the NFL forum. Talent alone doesn't get you anywhere. DHB's a great talent. Mike Williams, Roy Williams, DHB, and so many others, are great talents.

[IronMexican]

lol, johnsmith logic

Alright, mono's post was pretty funny.