Jim, You're Right, Franchise Is Awesome [Archive]

Jimcs50

12-15-2004, 11:10 PM

20 pts on 19 shots and 9 assists for Francis

13 pts on 15 shots and 3 assists for TP

TP better??? Get real. :rolleyes

The last airball was because when Francis drove the lane, nobody got open for the kickout 3, so he has to hurry back out and try the 3 himself offbalance....tough shot to hit.

Elliott was in love with Steve the whole game with his praise....so I guess Sean Elliott, #32 is wrong too?

:rolleyes

Rick Von Braun

12-15-2004, 11:12 PM

Sometimes I just cannot believe it... you have to take a 3pter...

Francis, you have been playing professional basketball for how many years?

Sorry, but the guy is brain dead.

ducks

12-15-2004, 11:12 PM

sean is not perfect

tp was injured

beno stats are more impressive then steve's tonight

Walton Buys Off Me

12-15-2004, 11:13 PM

Francis is a load that should have been swallowed.

ducks

12-15-2004, 11:14 PM

did not steve have 11 seconds?

he could have hit a to and fouled the great free throw shooters and make them hit both to get back up by 3
if they missed one he could have then hit a 3 for the win

Jimcs50

12-15-2004, 11:17 PM

Sometimes I just cannot believe it... you have to take a 3pter...

Francis, you have been playing professional basketball for how many years?

Sorry, but the guy is brain dead.

Not one Orlando player was open, the Spurs played great D and never left the perimeter players, the play was supposed to be Francis drive the lane, draw the double team and pass out. They have run that play all year.(I watch Magic bball every game almost) The Spurs stayed home, Francis had to dribble back out and shoot. I am glad he missed, btw.

Jimcs50

12-15-2004, 11:18 PM

did not steve have 11 seconds?

he could have hit a to and fouled the great free throw shooters and make them hit both to get back up by 3
if they missed one he could have then hit a 3 for the win

ducks, Orlando had no timeouts left, they were going for the 3. No time to hit 2 and foul.

ZStomp

12-15-2004, 11:20 PM

Rick Von Braun

12-15-2004, 11:25 PM

Not one Orlando player was open, the Spurs played great D and never left the perimeter players, the play was supposed to be Francis drive the lane, draw the double team and pass out. They have run that play all year.(I watch Magic bball every game almost) The Spurs stayed home, Francis had to dribble back out and shoot. I am glad he missed, btw.I understand that, but the play has to have alternatives. They were 11 seconds on the clock. If the Spurs don't buy the penetration and there are no perimeter players open, you get the fast two, and foul immediately. You play your chances that the Spurs will miss a free throw or two, which is a good play being SA one of the worst free throw shooting teams, and try again for a two or a three. After free throws, Orlando could have had like 9-10 seconds on the clock, enough to advance the ball and getting another chance.

I am sorry Jim, but dribbling yourself to defeat using all the remaining clock, and taking an impossible 3 is not the best play. You will find a hard time justifying Francis decision. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smismokin.gif

Anyway, excellent win by the Spurs http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smiafro.gif

maxpower

12-15-2004, 11:54 PM

20 pts on 19 shots and 9 assists for Francis

13 pts on 15 shots and 3 assists for TP..........

20 pts on 19 shots.... :oops hmmmm let's take a closer look. Ok. ..hmm
5 of 19, that's 26% :rolleyes and that is in 41 minutes.

Parker was 6 of 15 (for the math-impaired that is 1 more basket with 4 less shots) and in 29 minutes.

I'll take those matchup stats any day...fransis' saving graces were hitting all his frees and not jacking up but 2 threes.

ZStomp

12-16-2004, 12:23 AM

Aggie Hoopsfan

12-16-2004, 12:34 AM

Franchise didn't drive looking to kickout for the three.

He drove hoping to try to get the rookie Wilks to bite on a weak ass head fake, and when it didn't work he said "oh shit" and headed back outside.

Game over.

ChumpDumper

12-16-2004, 12:53 AM

Um, Wilks isn't a rookie.

He spent much of last year practicing against Francis.

A little Nelsonian tactic from Pop.

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 09:28 AM

20 pts on 19 shots.... :oops hmmmm let's take a closer look. Ok. ..hmm
5 of 19, that's 26% :rolleyes and that is in 41 minutes.

Parker was 6 of 15 (for the math-impaired that is 1 more basket with 4 less shots) and in 29 minutes.

I'll take those matchup stats any day...fransis' saving graces were hitting all his frees and not jacking up but 2 threes.

The name of the game is getting fouled by the opponent as much as possible. Francis got fouled at least 10 times last night and had 8 FTs to show for it. He got fouled going for rebs, penetrating the paint and going for loose balls. This is what you want your guards to do. This does two things, it allows you to score when your shot is off, like it was last night, and it gets your opponent in the penalty or in foul trouble, whereupon your teammates can shoot FTs on loose ball fouls and ticky tack fouls early in the quarters instead of ball on side. The reason why Francis is averaging 21 pts/game is because he gets to the line and he shooting 89% of his FTs. What % does Parker shoot, btw? There is no way in hell that TP is s better guard than Francis, you know it, I know it and everyone in the league knows it as well as Sean Elliott.

21 pts, 6.5 assists and 6 rebs a game...that is an awesome stat line in any league, at any position(Forward, center, guard) Stop the hating, it makes you guys look like fools. :rolleyes

Johnny_Blaze_47

12-16-2004, 09:30 AM

Stop the hating, it makes you guys look like fools. :rolleyes

Orlando 91
San Antonio 94

0:01 Steve Francis missed 27 ft three point jumper.

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 09:41 AM

Orlando 91
San Antonio 94

0:01 Steve Francis missed 27 ft three point jumper.

Memphis game last month:

0:10 Tim Duncan Defensive Rebound. 90-93
0:02 Tim Duncan missed Three Point Jumper. 90-93
0:00 Emmanuel Ginobili missed Layup. 90-93
0:00 Emmanuel Ginobili Offensive Rebound. 90-93
0:00 Emmanuel Ginobili missed Layup. 90-93
0:00 Emmanuel Ginobili Offensive Rebound. 90-93
0:00 San Antonio Offensive Rebound. 90-93
0:00 End Game
0:00

Houston game last week:

0:00 Tony Parker missed 27 ft three pointer.

What is your point? :rolleyes

maxpower

12-16-2004, 09:48 AM

The name of the game is getting fouled by the opponent as much as possible.

I'm sure the name of the game is also shooting percentage.

26%

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 09:57 AM

You're an idiot.

Parker has had games with 18%, 20%, 14%, 0.00%, and 22% shooting.

You are grasping at straws, quit while you are behind man, for God's sake. :rolleyes

Solid D

12-16-2004, 09:58 AM

Um, Wilks isn't a rookie.

He spent much of last year practicing against Francis.

A little Nelsonian tactic from Pop.

I must say, the tactics by the Spurs' coaching staff at end of game were solid and right on. Coach Mike Bud confirmed after the game that coming out of the huddle, the Spurs wanted to defend the perimeter and three point shot and allow penetration and 2 point looks. Even a not-warmed-up Wilks is a quicker defender than Beno, no question, and as Chump astutely pointed out - he knows Francis.

Francis played right into the Spurs' hands on that one and was just sooooooo
Stevie Franchise on that last play. A better guy could not have had the ball, from the Spurs' perspective.

Good Tactics. Good Talk.
:fro

Johnny_Blaze_47

12-16-2004, 10:01 AM

What is your point? :rolleyes

My point?

Your guy, his team, San Antonio.

He missed when THIS game counted.

maxpower

12-16-2004, 10:02 AM

You're an idiot.

Parker has had games with 18%, 20%, 14%, 0.00%, and 22% shooting.

You are grasping at straws, quit while you are behind man, for God's sake. :rolleyes

:lol i'm talking about the stats and claim you made originally.
seriously....reading comprehension.

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 10:08 AM

My point?

Your guy, his team, San Antonio.

He missed when THIS game counted.

Oh??? And the Memphis loss and the Rockets loss did not matter???

Dude, seriously, you need a vacation. :rolleyes

ChumpDumper

12-16-2004, 10:09 AM

What is your point?Dude dribbled for 10 of the last 11 seconds.

TMac would've scored 9 points in that time.

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 10:10 AM

I must say, the tactics by the Spurs' coaching staff at end of game were solid and right on. Coach Mike Bud confirmed after the game that coming out of the huddle, the Spurs wanted to defend the perimeter and three point shot and allow penetration and 2 point looks. Even a not-warmed-up Wilks is a quicker defender than Beno, no question, and as Chump astutely pointed out - he knows Francis.

Francis played right into the Spurs' hands on that one and was just sooooooo
Stevie Franchise on that last play. A better guy could not have had the ball, from the Spurs' perspective.

Good Tactics. Good Talk.
:fro

Solid, yes the perfect gut did have the ball, it is well know that Steve is a great passer and had a teammates been open, Steve would have hit him on the numbers with the pass and we might have had OT. 9 assists for Francis is not an aberration, he can pass the ball, you know. :rolleyes

Johnny_Blaze_47

12-16-2004, 10:13 AM

Oh??? And the Memphis loss and the Rockets loss did not matter???

Dude, seriously, you need a vacation. :rolleyes

When did Franchise get traded in those games?

Did you read where I said the games didn't matter? I know I didn't say that because I was there when I typed it.

Why don't you just stop being bitter that the guy you nut your shorts over day-in and day-out failed at beating the Spurs?

That's all I was saying. What happened when Franchise tried to beat the Spurs. He failed.

So why don't you go change your shorts and go do a root canal.

ChumpDumper

12-16-2004, 10:13 AM

he can pass the ball, you know.He can pass, but he has a nasty habit of not passing when games get tight. The Spurs won because they got their ball movement back at the same time the Magic regressed to one-on-one ball.

Francis still has a way to go.

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 10:13 AM

Dude dribbled for 10 of the last 11 seconds.

TMac would've scored 9 points in that time.

The play was for dribble penetration and a kickout, you have to dribble to make that play you lesbian idiot.

Yeah TMac really had a nice season last year with the last place Magic and he is really playing well in Houston with the Rockets who have lost 5 of last 6 at home prior to last nights game against the lowly Hawks.

Last year, the Rockets cane within a shot or two of beating LA in rd one of the playoffs and this year, they are lottery bound.

ChumpDumper

12-16-2004, 10:15 AM

Yeah TMac really had a nice season last year with the last place Magic and he is really playing well in Houston with the Rockets who have lost 5 of last 6 at home prior to last nights game against the lowly Hawkes.I'm not talking about shitty teams.

I'm talking about clutch play.

Francis is a bit less than steady at these times and you know it.

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 10:20 AM

When did Franchise get traded in those games?

Did you read where I said the games didn't matter? I know I didn't say that because I was there when I typed it.

Why don't you just stop being bitter that the guy you nut your shorts over day-in and day-out failed at beating the Spurs?

That's all I was saying. What happened when Franchise tried to beat the Spurs. He failed.

So why don't you go change your shorts and go do a root canal.

Johnny Blaze, I do not need to change my shorts because just because I am loyal to my school's former players, against a bunch of idiots that know nothing about bball does not mean that I am in love with the man. I, unlike you and a loyal person who stays loyal to his teams and its players.

Ask any coach or player in the league and ask them if Francis is a great NBA player, and they will all say what I am saying.

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 10:22 AM

He can pass, but he has a nasty habit of not passing when games get tight. The Spurs won because they got their ball movement back at the same time the Magic regressed to one-on-one ball.

Francis still has a way to go.

Chump, it is not one on one when the play calls for dribble penetration and a pass out to the arc. That is called good team play, because you are blessed by having a player who has the God given talent to do that and has done so a million times in his career.

GrandeDavid

12-16-2004, 10:51 AM

Francis is a load that should have been swallowed.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

PM5K

12-16-2004, 11:11 AM

Francis sux nuts!!

I take Parker over Francis anyday!

That's the dumbest thing I've read on these forums yet.

I hate fans that are blind to the obvious, Francis is a much better player than Parker is or ever will be....

Johnny_Blaze_47

12-16-2004, 12:52 PM

Johnny Blaze, I do not need to change my shorts because just because I am loyal to my school's former players, against a bunch of idiots that know nothing about bball does not mean that I am in love with the man. I, unlike you and a loyal person who stays loyal to his teams and its players.

Ask any coach or player in the league and ask them if Francis is a great NBA player, and they will all say what I am saying.

Unlike me?

Just because I don't nut my shorts to Jeff Foster doesn't mean I don't follow him.

I never said you had man-love for him and if you want to support him because he's a Terp, fine.

You are just too damn sensitive to people bashing Franchise. God, had he made the shot - you'd be in here so fast ready to throw it in everybody's faces that he made the shot and led his team to victory, so don't come in here whining when we come in here talking smack about how the shot didn't even hit rim.

It's like you have a fucking heart attack when any negative language is even in the same thread as Franchise.

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 01:08 PM

Dude, I wanted him to miss the shot. I am much more loyal to SA than to any ex player of me team. Duh!

But for any moron to say he is a lousy player because he missed the shot is just total lunacy, and that person needs to just learn bball. Every great player misses shots, they all fuck up, they are human and at any given time, they can lose a game for your team. But the great ones transcend to another level and more times than not come up big for their team more times than not. His skills are only surpassed by a handful of guards in the league.....that is the truth

And if nobody knew that Francis was a fav player of mine, nobody would be just chomping at the bit to notice every little mistake that he makes, that is why I get defensive. It is the same with Hedo, everyone has to point out to Taruky all the misses he makes and all the poor plays he makes.

These two are not the only players that miss shots, but you would think they were. :rolleyes

Johnny_Blaze_47

12-16-2004, 01:16 PM

These two are not the only players that miss shots, but you would think they were. :rolleyes

Yes, because as everybody knows, shooting percentages are at an all-time high of 99%.

Jim, what do you expect? Franchise and Tacoglu play for an opposing team. If anything, THIS IS THE FORUM in which people call out everybody regardless of uniform.

Hell, Walton probably had to sit in front of his computer for 20 minutes just to type that Malik was having a good game.

T Park

12-16-2004, 01:17 PM

Francis is a much better player than Parker is or ever will be....

how many playoff wins does Francis have??

nice talk.

Salute

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 01:26 PM

TPark, with that logic, Bill Wennington > Patrick Ewing and Zo Mourning

:rolleyes

Dex

12-16-2004, 01:27 PM

Ruh-Roh. Looks like the old Parker v. Franchise thing is back out of the bag.

Johnny_Blaze_47

12-16-2004, 01:30 PM

TPark, with that logic, Bill Wennington > Patrick Ewing and Zo Mourning

:rolleyes

I agree.

Darko > Franchise?

T Park

12-16-2004, 01:36 PM

Billups > Franchise.

Get off Franchise's nuts already holy christ.

Before you know it Jim is gonna tell us

Wilcox > Duncan

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 01:56 PM

Billups > Franchise.

Get off Franchise's nuts already holy christ.

Before you know it Jim is gonna tell us

Wilcox > Duncan

TD is ACC player, therefore, that overrides any Terp is better opinions. All ACC players > than non ACC players, but not all Maryland players are > than ACC superstars.

But Maryland superstars > better than other ACC superstars.

ie.

Lucas > Marbury

Buck Williams > Grant Hill

Len Bias > MJ

Elmore > Elton Brand

Francis > Kenny Smith

Walt Williams > Jerry Stackhouse

Got that?

:)

T Park

12-16-2004, 02:07 PM

your a complete and utter stooge.

wildbill2u

12-16-2004, 02:09 PM

Sometimes I just cannot believe it... you have to take a 3pter...

Francis, you have been playing professional basketball for how many years?

Sorry, but the guy is brain dead.

I live in Houston and have watched Francis for years as well as heard the sportswriters and fans. Over the years a general consensus was reached:
Francis has great physical talents--but he never had the ability or the desire or native BB IQ to develop into a smart PG. And he didn't seem suited for the SG position because of his height although he can put up good numbers when he's driving well. (Note to TP --don't let this happen to you)

He got himself into the same type of dumb situations regularly in Houston, either by holding and dribbling until the shot clock was gone or simply making dumb plays. You think it was an accident that Houston gave up on him and shipped him out?

boutons

12-16-2004, 02:53 PM

A great talent, even great heart (eg, his rebounding), but one stupid-ass basketballer.

Jimcs50

12-16-2004, 04:54 PM

"We just played the 3-point line and told them if anybody drives, let them drive," Popovich said, "but let's get up in them and make everybody a driver and everybody else stay with your guy."

Wilks didn't expect to get the call during the timeout Orlando had called to set up a play for a potential game-tying shot.

"I was a little surprised, but I've been thrown in those situations a time or two before," he said. "That's the NBA. You have to be ready at all times. I'm just thankful it worked out."

For his part, Francis insisted he was thinking drive-and-kick but discovered there was no teammate available for a pass.

"I came in there to see if there was someone open, and I couldn't find anybody," Francis said. "I couldn't believe it."

Wilks' ability to scramble back on Francis before he could get off an open 3-pointer made the defensive stratagem work.

"Mike Wilks did really well," Popovich said, "because when Stevie drove a lot of guys might have relaxed, and then Stevie could have gotten back out to the 3-point line for an open shot. But he stayed right on him, kept a hand up, didn't foul him and did a great job."

Wilks held his composre and it worked out great for our Spurs....kudos to our 3rd PG. :smokin

boutons

12-16-2004, 05:01 PM

"kudos to our 3rd PG"

what a difference a year makes to our PG situation.

We're gonna need that perimeter defense to go from one of the worst in the NBA to on of the best vs PHX (and vs SEA).

ducks

12-16-2004, 07:25 PM

Parker is 59-for-118 from the field since Nov. 27. ... The Spurs have only been outscored four times in the paint this season. They held a 36-26 edge on Wednesday. ... Hedo Turkoglu was playing in his first game against the Spurs since signing as a free agent with Orlando in the offseason. Turkoglu had seven points in 24 minutes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2004121524