Question for International Basketball Fans

[whottt]

3 years ago, who was considered the better player in Europe...


Sarunas?

Or Oberto?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Saras but with team he not have to play defense.

[whottt]

he not have to play defense.



Exactly....

[Hemotivo]

3 years ago, who was considered the better player in Europe...


Sarunas?

Or Oberto?
Sarunas

[Kobayagi]

Sarunas by far.

[TDMVPDPOY]

that dude was fuckn overrated, couldnt even play in the nba...while scrubs in nba who cant get on a tean are pulling monster stats in euro leagues

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

that dude was fuckn overrated, couldnt even play in the nba...while scrubs in nba who cant get on a tean are pulling monster stats in euro leagues

That not really true what "scrub" putting "monster stat in Euroleague"?

[Slo spurs fan]

that dude was fuckn overrated, couldnt even play in the nba...while scrubs in nba who cant get on a tean are pulling monster stats in euro leagues
Bullshit. No, monstershit.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think Marcus Fizer could get a guaranteed deal in the NBA over the summer after leading the ACB in scoring last season.

[xcoriate]

Another question - where does Saras rank with the all time European stars.

Did his acclaim reach the level of say Vlade? Kukoc? Manu? Sabonis? 1st tier euroleague great? Second tier?

[waly.mg]

Scola > Oberto + Sarunas

[Texas_Ranger]

Sarunas.

[Il Caraibico]

Sarunas by far.

[exstatic]

Scola > Oberto + Sarunas
Why do you have to turn every god damn thread into another Scola whackoff session for yourself? No one asked about Scola. I really didn't care before, but I'm to the point where I hope he fucking falls on his face in the NBA and crawls back to Europe in disgrace. I hate Luis fucking Scola.

[temujin]

Scola.
Luis Scola.

[whottt]

TO say that Sarunas was more highly regarded is a huge understatement...I remember some people claiming he was the best player in the World...


Yet Oberto is the more successful NBA player...and it's because Oberto's game isn't reliant on physical attributes in the slightest bit...


This is not true of Scola...


And most of the other guys to translate leagues well do have the physical ability to make that transition...


IOW...Eff Scola...Spurs made the right move.

[E20]

Sarunas couldn't get any backup minutes on an Indiana Pacers team or Warriors team and both of those teams had only one person that played PG.

NBA: Oberto
International: Sarunas

[temujin]

Before signing with the Spurs, Oberto was well known in an inner circle of european GMs for being one of the best guys to set picks for Manu, Nocioni and Scola on the Argentinian team.

I don't think any fan of any team in Europe -except, perhaps, his- had ever heard of him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

and to think we had guys like scola, javtokas stash away and not even bothered to sign them

[thousandth]

Before signing with the Spurs, Oberto was well known in an inner circle of european GMs for being one of the best guys to set picks for Manu, Nocioni and Scola on the Argentinian team.

I don't think any fan of any team in Europe -except, perhaps, his- had ever heard of him.

What's?
Before signing with the Spurs, Oberto had the better season his carrer in Europe with Pamesa Valencia.
Every year he played the all stars game of Spain League. He considerated in the five better players in the Euroleague and before sign with Spurs all euroteams an some nba (Barca, Madrid, Pana, Roma, CSK, Memphis, Sacramento) they showed interest and maked an offer for him (Barca, Roma, CSK)
When he played in Valencia he was the player of the month of acb, several times. His games in the finals with Pamesa were unbelievable, he played like anyone more could have after in that team. All stats in offensive and defensive. He wasn't the mvp because Pamesa lost the last game.
Your comment laughs my ass off.
In the Europe still Oberto is considerated a stars and in the five best center list. And what's more important. Always he does every things to win, Sarunas is a great fiba player, but isn't a natural winner like Oberto.
If you don't finish your homework (watch Oberto on tape a lot in Europe) you can't post of him.

[vanvannen]

What's?
Before signing with the Spurs, Oberto had the better season his carrer in Europe with Pamesa Valencia.
Every year he played the all stars game of Spain League. He considerated in the five better players in the Euroleague and before sign with Spurs all euroteams an some nba (Barca, Madrid, Pana, Roma, CSK, Memphis, Sacramento) they showed interest and maked an offer for him (Barca, Roma, CSK)
When he played in Valencia he was the player of the month of acb, several times. His games in the finals with Pamesa were unbelievable, he played like anyone more could have after in that team. All stats in offensive and defensive. He wasn't the mvp because Pamesa lost the last game.
Your comment laughs my ass off.
In the Europe still Oberto is considerated a stars and in the five best center list. And what's more important. Always he does every things to win, Sarunas is a great fiba player, but isn't a natural winner like Oberto.
If you don't finish your homework (watch Oberto on tape a lot in Europe) you can't post of him.


Though with excesive nerve and dreadfully written, he's got a point. Oberto did not come to the NBA earlier because his manager fucked him.
He was also a starter in the argentinean gold medal squad (over Scola) and considered one of the top centers in Europe year in and year out.

[vanvannen]

TO say that Sarunas was more highly regarded is a huge understatement...I remember some people claiming he was the best player in the World...


Yet Oberto is the more successful NBA player...and it's because Oberto's game isn't reliant on physical attributes in the slightest bit...


This is not true of Scola...


And most of the other guys to translate leagues well do have the physical ability to make that transition...


IOW...Eff Scola...Spurs made the right move.


I'm not sure what you mean regarding physical ability. Scola is very similar to Oberto in that regard. He is not physically gifted, but he's got great fundamentals and very nice court vision.

[thousandth]

Though with excesive nerve and dreadfully written, he's got a point. Oberto did not come to the NBA earlier because his manager fucked him.
He was also a starter in the argentinean gold medal squad (over Scola) and considered one of the top centers in Europe year in and year out.

Excesive nerve and dreadfully witten, it sounds like me! No problem, bro. :smokin

[my2sons]

I like the fact that your comment laughs my ass off,
"because we are two wild and crazy guys"

[naico]

scola by far!

[naico]

I'm not sure what you mean regarding physical ability. Scola is very similar to Oberto in that regard. He is not physically gifted, but he's got great fundamentals and very nice court vision.

Not physically gifted? R u kidding me? Ok he's got no 40inch vertical leap, but he's probably one of the fastest big men around today and has one hell of a first step for his size. He's probably faster than Beno!

[thousandth]

I like the fact that your comment laughs my ass off,
"because we are two wild and crazy guys"

No kidding, bro. This is killing me inside :lmao

[temujin]

What's?
Before signing with the Spurs, Oberto had the better season his carrer in Europe with Pamesa Valencia.

Appperò!
Impressive.

Every year he played the all stars game of Spain League.

Really!

He considerated in the five better players in the Euroleague and before sign with Spurs all euroteams an some nba (Barca, Madrid, Pana, Roma, CSK, Memphis, Sacramento) they showed interest and maked an offer for him (Barca, Roma, CSK)

That's a INNER-inner Circle, actually.

When he played in Valencia he was the player of the month of acb,

Appeperopperopperò!!!!!

several times. His games in the finals with Pamesa were unbelievable, he played like anyone more could have after in that team. All stats in offensive and defensive. He wasn't the mvp because Pamesa lost the last game.
Your comment laughs my ass off.

Your whole post is, well...OK..

In the Europe still Oberto is considerated a stars and in the five best center list.

You don't have the foggiest idea of what you are talking about. MAYBE, maybe in the list of the five best centers from Argentina.

And what's more important. Always he does every things to win, Sarunas is a great fiba player, but isn't a natural winner like Oberto.

Oberto is a good player. But ten years from now, nobody will actually remember his name. Including in the inner-inner circle.


If you don't finish your homework (watch Oberto on tape a lot in Europe) you can't post of him.

I can post on anything.
Here and anywhere.

[ChumpDumper]

A little off topic, but another insight into Euro players' opinion of themselves.

Vujcic doesn't rule out joining Parker and Baston in the world's best league in future. "If they took Parker at age 31, then there's no reason they won't take me," he says, but notes sadly, "It's pretty disappointing that in the NBA they didn't notice that I was the best center in Europe for the last three years. The truth is that I never received a respectable-enough offer salary-wise or team-wise, but what can you do? It's the only thing that was never in my control."....

Vujcic and Maccabi will decide at the end of the season if they are interested in exercising the option for the third year of his current contract. Though he is earning nearly $1.5 million per year, that doesn't prevent him from considering himself "underpaid, certainly considering the out of control market this year."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/913229.html

Now I really like Vujcic and think he could play well in the NBA, but really how bad could the offers have been compared to what he is being paid by one of the richer teams in Euroleague?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I don't think Marcus Fizer could get a guaranteed deal in the NBA over the summer after leading the ACB in scoring last season.

ACB is not Euroleague.

[ChumpDumper]

ACB is not Euroleague.Which is why I wrote ACB, doofus. That doesn't change my point one iota. He is playing in Euroleague this season if that helps explain things to you.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Another question - where does Saras rank with the all time European stars.

Did his acclaim reach the level of say Vlade? Kukoc? Manu? Sabonis? 1st tier euroleague great? Second tier?

You not consider them all-time first tier Euroleague star to me. Manu international yes but not Euroleague. Vlade, Kukoc first tier Euroleague? Bodiroga better than Kukoc.

Jasekicius maybe.

Euroleague all time is something like

PG Jasekivicus (maybe)
SG Gallis
SF not sure probable Petrovich
PF not sure probable Bodiroga
C Sabonis

6 man probable maybe Marciulonis???

I do not think you can consider Divac or Kukoc this first tier but maybe Kukoc for PF or SF maybe I guess but doubt it. Manu?
Manu?

If international yes but Euroleague? How so?

Two best Euroleague player ever Sabonis and Gallis this not even argument to me.


I think Spanoulis move up to replace Saras in starts lineup of all time eventual.

[temujin]

You not consider them all-time first tier Euroleague star to me. Manu international yes but not Euroleague. Vlade, Kukoc first tier Euroleague? Bodiroga better than Kukoc.

Jasekicius maybe.

Euroleague all time is something like

PG Jasekivicus (maybe)
SG Gallis
SF not sure probable Petrovich
PF not sure probable Bodiroga
C Sabonis

6 man probable maybe Marciulonis???


Guards.
Petrovic, Slavnijc, Galis, Jasikevucius, Belov.

Forwards.
DANILOVIC, Bodiroga, Dalipagic, Kucoc, Nowitzki.

Center.
Sabonis, Meneghin (Cosic).

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Guards.
Petrovic, Slavnijc, Galis, Jasikevucius, Belov.

Forwards.
DANILOVIC, Bodiroga, Dalipagic, Kucoc, Nowitzki.

Center.
Sabonis, Meneghin (Cosic).

What about Dino Rada? Tomasevic?

[temujin]

What about Dino Rada? Tomasevic?

I left Parker, Iannakis, Kicianovic, MARCIULONIS, VLADE DIVAC, Villalta, Calderon out.

Dinone Radja come after those.

[Solid D]

I really thought Saras would do well in the NBA, particularly since the NBA was going smaller with 3 guards. He is a very emotional player and he thrived in Europe but his shot-making, play-making and confidence all diminished once he got to the Pacers (and Warriors). It's hard to understand what went awry.

[vanvannen]

Not physically gifted? R u kidding me? Ok he's got no 40inch vertical leap, but he's probably one of the fastest big men around today and has one hell of a first step for his size. He's probably faster than Beno!

I'm sorry, but Scola seems to me like Godzilla on valium next to the likes of Amare, Dirk, Garnett, etc.

[nkdlunch]

Scola > Oberto + Sarunas

word

[naico]

I'm sorry, but Scola seems to me like Godzilla on valium next to the likes of Amare, Dirk, Garnett, etc.

Well u stated "not physically gifted". Thats where ur wrong. I'm not comparing them to Amare or Garnett. Between Dirk nd Scola..Close one. Think Scloa wins it in sprint

[thousandth]

I can post on anything.
Here and anywhere.

Official website Acb League. Need translation?.C'mon,bro.You speak the spanish better than me.

http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=24579

best player of the month (2004 three best player of the week and two best player of the month)

http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=12578

Lamas and Dusko Ivanovic "Oberto is the best center nba off"

http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=11963

The ACB Finals. Barça vs Valencia.
"Oberto epic" from spain press. 19 ps 7 rebs 4 assist, player with more minutes in the court and he was injuried. ( 2003 four years ago). Yes, nobody will remember his name.
Best five Argentinian center? Scola is a power forward, Nocioni, too. Who is better center? Oberto is the best center in Argentinian and one the best nba off.

But.

Right on. His carrer in Europe was garbarge. Oberto's white trash. Don't say a word. It's unnecessary, no more replay thread for me. You're dead right.

[ChumpDumper]

Between Dirk nd Scola..Close one. Think Scloa wins it in sprint:lol

[temujin]

Official website Acb League. Need translation?.C'mon,bro.You speak the spanish better than me.

http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=24579

best player of the month (2004 three best player of the week and two best player of the month)

http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=12578

Lamas and Dusko Ivanovic "Oberto is the best center nba off"

http://www.acb.com/redaccion.php?id=11963

The ACB Finals. Barça vs Valencia.
"Oberto epic" from spain press. 19 ps 7 rebs 4 assist, player with more minutes in the court and he was injuried. ( 2003 four years ago). Yes, nobody will remember his name.
Best five Argentinian center? Scola is a power forward, Nocioni, too. Who is better center? Oberto is the best center in Argentinian and one the best nba off.

But.

Right on. His carrer in Europe was garbarge. Oberto's white trash. Don't say a word. It's unnecessary, no more replay thread for me. You're dead right.


How much he pays for this?
For you ain't doing this for nothing, are you?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I left Parker, Iannakis, Kicianovic, MARCIULONIS, VLADE DIVAC, Villalta, Calderon out.

Dinone Radja come after those.

Iannakis may be top tier.