Patriots Punish Pokes

[bresilhac]

The ironic thing about it was that Dallas was supposed to be this big second half team. What happened? What happened is that they ran across an offense that is almost unstoppable. Does anyone remember how many times the Patriots punted in this game? Once, twice? Tom Brady put on a show so outstanding that the pokes really had no shot in this one. I mean five touchdowns? C'mon. Dallas was so glaringly outclassed and outplayed in the game that it was laughable. And how about the dozen or so penalties Dallas received? Talk about being intimidated out of your boots. New England had this heavily overrated Dallas team committing infractions seemingly on every play. Suffice it to say that it was literally men against 'Boys out there tonight. And as far as the running up the score allegations, don't think that Phillips would not have done the exact same if the roles were reversed. What I saw was a beatdown of immense proportions. A Texas Stadium whup ass for all time. Only this time it was the pokes getting their overhyped, high-flying asses whupped. Bravo New England.

[Tippecanoe]

i wouldnt call the cowboys overrated. they stayed in the game far longer than i expected. they were probably two big plays away from turning this into a nailbiter.

the cowboys will win the NFC easily

[bresilhac]

i wouldnt call the cowboys overrated. they stayed in the game far longer than i expected. they were probably two big plays away from turning this into a nailbiter.

the cowboys will win the NFC easily

I don't know about winning the conference so easily. The Redskins, Packers and surely Seattle will have something to say about it.

[peewee's lovechild]

The Redskins lost to Green Bay today. Seattle is getting it's ass handed to them by the Saints, the Saints for god's sake.

It's not going to be as hard as you make it out to be.

At least not by the teams you've pointed out.

[Obstructed_View]

Gotta give a team credit when they convert that many third downs. I don't think you can beat a bad team very often when you can't stop them on third down. The offense might have been able to give the defense some rest, but Romo didn't look remotely comfortable for the first quarter, probably due to the interceptions on Monday, and it was really too late by the time they got it sort of going. They played a very sloppy game and had a chance into the second half, but the Pats did a great job answering every challenge.

I agree about the stupid running up the score accusations. If they didn't want the Pats to score that last touchdown they shouldn't have called a timeout, or they could have perhaps stopped them. Why people get bent out of shape about the least significant touchdown of the game I have no idea. It doesn't matter to me how many points they lost by.

The Cowboys got a chance to find out how good they are, and they have some work to do. Nice to find that out now instead of later. I have a hard time being unhappy when they are tied for home field advantage and about as healthy as anyone after six weeks though. I like their chances against anyone in the NFC right now, and they clearly have room to improve. The Cowboys have a chance to be relevant going into the second half of the season.

[samikeyp]

This loss doesn't mean the Cowboys aren't good. It means the Patriots were really better. The gap between the top of the AFC to the top of the NFC was well illustrated today.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Fourth and goal from the 5 down 11 I think it was why didn't they just go for it? Also Classy of the cheaters to run up the score at the end of the game.

[Obstructed_View]

This loss doesn't mean the Cowboys aren't good. It means the Patriots were really better. The gap between the top of the AFC to the top of the NFC was well illustrated today.
Yeah, but the gap isn't unbridgable. Starting off well, not making stupid penalties and maybe stopping someone on third down would have been helpful.

[samikeyp]

Yeah, but the gap isn't unbridgable. Starting off well, not making stupid penalties and maybe stopping someone on third down would have been helpful.

Agreed. Mistakes are always bad but fatal against the Pats.

[Obstructed_View]

Fourth and goal from the 5 down 11 I think it was why didn't they just go for it? Also Classy of the cheaters to run up the score at the end of the game.
Probably not the right call, but it's basically academic since the Cowboys failed to score again.

And let me say this again: If the Cowboys didn't want to get scored on, they shouldn't have called a timeout inside of two minutes. You do that to a team, you deserve to get rung up for another score.

[Tippecanoe]

Fourth and goal from the 5 down 11 I think it was why didn't they just go for it? Also Classy of the cheaters to run up the score at the end of the game.

they werent running up the score. it was 4th down. what else were they gonna do?? kneeing would be a turnover and you just dont do that. field goal would have been a bigger slap in the face. by running it, they challenged the dallas D to stop them and they didnt respond. the patriots did the same thing in buffalo and cleveland, only the bills and browns were able to make a stop

oh trust me, if the pats wanted to run up the score, it woulda been brady to moss

[midgetonadonkey]

Fourth and goal from the 5 down 11 I think it was why didn't they just go for it? Also Classy of the cheaters to run up the score at the end of the game.

:lmao

Cheaters...

:lmao

[samikeyp]

And let me say this again: If the Cowboys didn't want to get scored on, they shouldn't have called a timeout inside of two minutes. You do that to a team, you deserve to get rung up for another score.

True.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

:lmao

Cheaters...

:lmao

What did they not get caught for cheating?

[Findog]

Dallas certainly could've played better, the penalties hurt and so did the gap in time of possession. But I think we can safely say that New England's A game beats our A game. Both teams could've played better, the Pats gave up a defensive touchdown and we had some success moving the ball. I agree with OV, playing them gives us a measuring stick to gauge how far we have to go. Clearly our secondary is the weak link. I don't know when the trade deadline is or how much of a difference Anthony Henry would've made, but we'll need much improvement from the secondary if we see them in February.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

First and foremost props to the Pats. God that team is fucking good. They kicked our asses all over the field today. Secondly...FUCK WADE PHILLIPS ON THAT DECISION IN THE 4TH! I am sorry but in a game where you are down by 2 touchdowns in the 4th quarter against an offense that was getting anything it wanted, that field goal was the stupidest coaching decision of the year. That was something Dave Campo did. The Pats were celebrating on the inside when they saw that. It was still a 2 possession game and the Pats had the ball with no momentum taken from them. A touchdown would have at least made it a game still. You grow a fucking pair and go for the end zone. Worst case, they have to drive a longer field. Even if we wouldnt of stopped them, at least taking a chance could have kept them in the game a little longer. That fg ended the game right then and there. Pats are a disgusting team. The only team who has a realistic chance at them is the Colts. No one else stands a chance in hell.

[leemajors]

i don't think anthony henry would have made a huge difference - reeves didn't cover all that bad, but he really could have tackled a lot better. roy would still have been forced to pretend he was covering someone. i wonder if getting tank on the team will help a little bit as far as pressure goes.

[T Park]

Don't fret Cowboy fans.

They aren't that far off.

One or two tweeks and the Boys win this game.

It was closer than the final score indicated.

[leemajors]

i'm not fretting. i was happy they played well for a good amount of the game. after the patties went up 14-0 i thought it might be a really long day. i'd much rather have a 48-27 like this than one where they scored late to make it closer. they are a decent cover safety away from being a great defense.

[san antonio spurs]

First and foremost props to the Pats. God that team is fucking good. They kicked our asses all over the field today. Secondly...FUCK WADE PHILLIPS ON THAT DECISION IN THE 4TH! I am sorry but in a game where you are down by 2 touchdowns in the 4th quarter against an offense that was getting anything it wanted, that field goal was the stupidest coaching decision of the year. That was something Dave Campo did. The Pats were celebrating on the inside when they saw that. It was still a 2 possession game and the Pats had the ball with no momentum taken from them. A touchdown would have at least made it a game still. You grow a fucking pair and go for the end zone. Worst case, they have to drive a longer field. Even if we wouldnt of stopped them, at least taking a chance could have kept them in the game a little longer. That fg ended the game right then and there. Pats are a disgusting team. The only team who has a realistic chance at them is the Colts. No one else stands a chance in hell.

Oh geez.. fans.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
If Wade phillips went for it on 4th and 5 and turned the ball over on downs, ya'll would be saying this is what lost you the game.

Your coach said that if he had a play he knew they would score for sure, he would've called it on 3rd and 5.
If he didn't went for it, it's because 3pts are always better than 0pts. And most coaches like to challenge their defense rather than their offense(especially when they have a qb who threw 5INT few days earlier).
Your coach called a reasonnable play.
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[san antonio spurs]

Don't fret Cowboy fans.

They aren't that far off.

One or two tweeks and the Boys win this game.

It was closer than the final score indicated.

It certainly was closer, but they play this game 10 other times and the pats win 9 of them.
I don't know if you were serious or just being sarcastic
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[spyder]

:lmao

Cheaters...

:lmao
this coming from the dumbass team that got their ass's waxed from jacksonville...

[Obstructed_View]

But I think we can safely say that New England's A game beats our A game.
Why would we say that? Neither team played their A game, and the Cowboys played terribly for the most part. You can safely say that New England is much better in big games than Dallas is, but we all knew that already.

[Mr. Peabody]

i don't think anthony henry would have made a huge difference - reeves didn't cover all that bad, but he really could have tackled a lot better. roy would still have been forced to pretend he was covering someone. i wonder if getting tank on the team will help a little bit as far as pressure goes.

Where Henry would have made a difference is on all of those third downs. Instead of Nate Jones being the nickel back, it would have been Reeves. Newman, Henry and Reeves are certainly better in coverage than Newman, Reeves, and Jones. Oh well, injuries are a part of the game.

[2centsworth]

cowboys looked good for most of the game. Penalties is what killed them, and not stopping NE on third down.

[Findog]

Why would we say that? Neither team played their A game, and the Cowboys played terribly for the most part. You can safely say that New England is much better in big games than Dallas is, but we all knew that already.

I really think the only improvement I could see for Dallas is cutting down on penalties and having Anthony Henry to fortify the secondary. I'd give New England a B+ and Dallas a B-. The Cowboys played hard and did a lot of things right.

[StylisticS]

Where Henry would have made a difference is on all of those third downs. Instead of Nate Jones being the nickel back, it would have been Reeves. Newman, Henry and Reeves are certainly better in coverage than Newman, Reeves, and Jones. Oh well, injuries are a part of the game.

Yep. The Patriots went 11/17 on 3rd downs. Like stated earlier, you're not going to stop anybody if they are that successful on 3rd downs. We need to work on that immediately. Many of those passes was on Nate Jones. Reeves was not the problem yesterday true. It was Jones. Brady picked on him like a child and it was to easy. That's why Welker had such a big first half becuase Jones couldn't cover him. It was a mismatch.

The season is not over yet and I do believe that Dallas can play with them. It was 31-24 WELL into the 4th quarter. Dallas has work to do and they know what they need to do. Remember Cowboy fans, we lost 31-7 in October 1992 to Philadelphia. We was outclassed in that game as well and the media had the same things to say about Dallas like they are saying now about Dallas. Dallas worked on what it needed to work on that season and took care of Philly the next two games beating them in the rematch at Texas Stadium and in the playoffs.

[Hook Dem]

All is not lost! A 5-1 record at this point in the season is pretty good. Ask Philadelphia if they would trade records!

[Cry Havoc]

The Pats are simply the class of the NFL right now, but it doesn't mean they're unbeatable. An injury, an off-game, anything could cause them to slip. I think the Boys are probably close to Indy as well, so barring a perfect game from either team, we have a good shot at beating anyone in the league this year.

And Romo is just going to get better.

[Findog]

New England's 12 possessions: 6 touchdowns, 2 FGs, 2 punts, 1 fumble, 1 knee at the half.

Goddamn. We stopped them three goddamned times.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

New England's 12 possessions: 6 touchdowns, 2 FGs, 2 punts, 1 fumble, 1 knee at the half.

Goddamn. We stopped them three goddamned times.


One thing I have always wanted/expected when watching the Cowboys all these years, is DEFENSE. I hate it when the D plays so shitty like they did yesterday. I would rather the offense suck ass than the defense. I would rather lose a game due to horrible offense rather than horrible defense. Peyton Manning would have easily ripped the cowboys secondary a new asshole as well. Cowboys have a shitload of work to do and they have serious concerns on the defensive side of the ball.

[stretch]

My only real concern for the defense is the soft playcalls on third down. Why the hell were they not blitzing on third downs? They were giving Brady all day, and we all know what he is capable of doing with time. And they were doing a good job of getting to him too, when they were blitzing. Allowing all those third down conversions was what won the game for the Patriots. If he had stopped them on just a few of them, I guarantee Dallas would have won the game.

[monosylab1k]

Also Classy of the cheaters to run up the score at the end of the game.
Maybe next time Wade won't go calling titles tainted and TO won't call up members of the Patriots team and talk shit. If you act like a bitch you'll get treated like a bitch.

[Findog]

One thing I have always wanted/expected when watching the Cowboys all these years, is DEFENSE. I hate it when the D plays so shitty like they did yesterday. I would rather the offense suck ass than the defense. I would rather lose a game due to horrible offense rather than horrible defense. Peyton Manning would have easily ripped the cowboys secondary a new asshole as well. Cowboys have a shitload of work to do and they have serious concerns on the defensive side of the ball.

Yeah, you have a better chance to win in a low-scoring defensive struggle than getting into a shootout when you can't stop anybody. The NFC is so bad that we still have to be considered the favorites to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. But I don't know how much we can make up the deficit that was exposed yesterday. NW didn't exactly play a flawless game themselves, and they will be well-prepared when it comes to the Super Bowl. Maroney didn't even play, and Watson didn't come back. He would've done some damage himself if he had been in there.

[Findog]

Maybe next time Wade won't go calling titles tainted and TO won't call up members of the Patriots team and talk shit. If you act like a bitch you'll get treated like a bitch.

Dallas ultimately has themselves to blame for Romo's INT deep on their side of the field, calling a timeout and not being able to get a stop on 4th and 1, but I can understand Belichick's decision-making in this instance. You absolutely need that insurance touchdown when there was a threat that the Cowboys were going to go down and score three consecutive times in the final minute.

[monosylab1k]

Dallas ultimately has themselves to blame for Romo's INT deep on their side of the field, calling a timeout and not being able to get a stop on 4th and 1, but I can understand Belichick's decision-making in this instance. You absolutely need that insurance touchdown when there was a threat that the Cowboys were going to go down and score three consecutive times in the final minute.
again, when you act like a bitch you're going to get smacked around like one. If the Cowboys had any pride they wouldn't have bent over and taken it either. They talked a whole lot of shit just to allow that type of bitch slap.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Yeah, you have a better chance to win in a low-scoring defensive struggle than getting into a shootout when you can't stop anybody. The NFC is so bad that we still have to be considered the favorites to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. But I don't know how much we can make up the deficit that was exposed yesterday. NW didn't exactly play a flawless game themselves, and they will be well-prepared when it comes to the Super Bowl. Maroney didn't even play, and Watson didn't come back. He would've done some damage himself if he had been in there.


Unless I am off, it isnt just the Pats that will be owning our d (if it stays this way) but the Colts as well. Peyton will have his way and pick apart our secondary piece by piece. IF we make it out of the NFC, I promise you we will see the Pats or Colts. Even if we get the luxary of avoiding the Pats, the Colts offense would have easily presented similar matchup problems for our secondary.

[mardigan]

again, when you act like a bitch you're going to get smacked around like one. If the Cowboys had any pride they wouldn't have bent over and taken it either. They talked a whole lot of shit just to allow that type of bitch slap.
So the Pats have to run scores up because the Boys qb coach may or may not have said something about past titles? Classy

[monosylab1k]

So the Pats have to run scores up because the Boys qb coach may or may not have said something about past titles? Classy
QB coach? Try Head Coach. Wade tried to deny it, but he fucked up when he made that tainted comment. TO calling Adalius Thomas and talking shit didn't help.

:lmao @ Adalius Thomas & Roosevelt Colvin eating popcorn on the sidelines after administering their beat down.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

again, when you act like a bitch you're going to get smacked around like one. If the Cowboys had any pride they wouldn't have bent over and taken it either. They talked a whole lot of shit just to allow that type of bitch slap.


ummm you forgot balls too. If our coach had any testicles he would have known better than to kick that fg down by 14 in the 4th against an offense who was getting anything they wanted. I was at the game yesterday and I already told people after that fg to start heading for the exits. I knew the game was over. That did nothing to the Cowboys momentum. If we miss the td chance oh well we cant stop them anyways plus they would of had to go 95 yards instead of 75 (which wouldnt have been any kind of a difference in us stopping them).

Let me ask you something mono, if the Pats were down 14 in the 4th with their d playing shitty and it was 4th and goal at the 5, what do you think they would have done? I know in my eyes they would have gone for it as would have the Colts in that situation. Being a risk taker is necessary in crucial times of a game.

[mardigan]

Unless I am off, it isnt just the Pats that will be owning our d (if it stays this way) but the Colts as well. Peyton will have his way and pick apart our secondary piece by piece. IF we make it out of the NFC, I promise you we will see the Pats or Colts. Even if we get the luxary of avoiding the Pats, the Colts offense would have easily presented similar matchup problems for our secondary.
Except the Boys could have there second best corner by then, a new, really good dt, will have a better understanding of Phillips sytem, Ellis will be back 100%, and the Boys will have a much easier road the the SB than any team in the AFC.

[monosylab1k]

Let me ask you something mono, if the Pats were down 14 in the 4th with their d playing shitty
for starters, that's never going to happen.

but to answer your question, yes I think they would have gone for it. They went for a 4th down in the middle of the field earlier in the game and the situation wasn't nearly as dire.

[Findog]

again, when you act like a bitch you're going to get smacked around like one. If the Cowboys had any pride they wouldn't have bent over and taken it either. They talked a whole lot of shit just to allow that type of bitch slap.

I have no doubt that Wade Phillips said what Peter King said he did, and that kind of thinking is shared around the league, but I can't believe he would've said that for public consumption. I bet it was a misunderstanding over what was attributed and offered on the record. As for TO, whatever, I didn't say that as calling out Randy Moss. The Patriots are good enough that they don't need to manufacture disrespect. Dallas couldn't stop them but Belichick is a classless guy.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Except the Boys could have there second best corner by then, a new, really good dt, will have a better understanding of Phillips sytem, and will have a much easier road the the SB than any team in the AFC.


Well nothing is a lock in the NFL. As shitty as the NFC is, we will have to play our game to make it to Arizona. Of course I think things can change. However at this moment I will say the superbowl comes down to the Pats or Colts. Cowboys have ALOT of work to do if they want to realistically have any shot at winning a superbowl.

[mardigan]

Dallas couldn't stop them but Belichick is a classless guy.
Classless organization

[Findog]

for starters, that's never going to happen.

but to answer your question, yes I think they would have gone for it. They went for a 4th down in the middle of the field earlier in the game and the situation wasn't nearly as dire.

I don't get some of these coaching decisions. You're not going to beat NW playing it safe and conservatively. You don't score there, you've got them backed up inside their 10. Maybe they still go on down the field, ice the game with a score and eat up the clock, but you least make it harder for them. I see virtually no downside to going for it and not converting in that situation.

Another decision I didn't get was Holmgren going for it on 4th down inside the 20 with under two minutes and down by 11. They probably wouldn't have won anyway since they needed two scores sandwiched by onside kick, but it's just stupid.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

for starters, that's never going to happen.

but to answer your question, yes I think they would have gone for it. They went for a 4th down in the middle of the field earlier in the game and the situation wasn't nearly as dire.


Actually I think only 1 team could have a lead like that against New England if I had to pick and that would be the only team standing in the Pats way in the afc and superbowl trophy.

[monosylab1k]

Belichick is a classless guy.
He also doesn't give a fuck what you think. His rings don't either. People will keep talking shit and he'll keep winning. Expect a LOT more "classless" Belichick because after all the shit people are talking, he and that whole team is going to keep yelling a resounding "FUCK YOU" to everybody that gets in their way.

I think the only team they'll treat with any respect is the Colts, and deservedly so.

[Findog]

Classless organization

Yeah, they've really become the Evil Empire. Only Indy has a chance and stopping them. I don't see us beating them in the Super Bowl unless we dominate TOP running the ball and get a couple of turnovers.

[Findog]

I think the only team they'll treat with any respect is the Colts, and deservedly so

I doubt it. That's not his MO.

[mardigan]

QB coach? Try Head Coach. Wade tried to deny it, but he fucked up when he made that tainted comment. TO calling Adalius Thomas and talking shit didn't help.

:lmao @ Adalius Thomas & Roosevelt Colvin eating popcorn on the sidelines after administering their beat down.
Btw, you have a link about TO calling Thomas, I cant find anything about it anywhere

[monosylab1k]

I doubt it. That's not his MO.
With the Colts it is. Dungy/Manning show Belichick respect and he'll do the same.

When you follow the Patriots for an entire season and not just the 30 second snippets you get on SportsCenter, maybe you'll know what the fuck you're talking about here.

[mardigan]

Yeah, they've really become the Evil Empire. Only Indy has a chance and stopping them. I don't see us beating them in the Super Bowl unless we dominate TOP running the ball and get a couple of turnovers.
I dont either, unless Roy and Hamlin start covering worth a shit.
I also think the Steelers could beat them.

[mardigan]

With the Colts it is. Dungy/Manning show Belichick respect and he'll do the same.

When you follow the Patriots for an entire season and not just the 30 second snippets you get on SportsCenter, maybe you'll know what the fuck you're talking about here.
:lol
All SC talks about is the Pats, kind of hard not to follow them all season.
I bet the average fan could name more players off the Pats than any team in the NFL.

[samikeyp]

I think the only team they'll treat with any respect is the Colts, and deservedly so

I doubt it too...not because its the Colts but I think the whole Patriots organization is so pissed at the whole world that they are going to try and wax everyone they face. IMO, they look like a team that has adopted the "us against the world" mentality and perfected it. I don't think Belichick, Brady and Co. will be happy until they pecker-slap everyone in the league on the way to a 4th Lombardi. Mind you, I don't know this for sure, this is just an opinion. No one on this board actually knows what is going on behind the scenes, we can just speculate.

[leemajors]

the colts/pats game is going to be very interesting. i am expecting a shootout, but wouldn't be surprised if it was 20-17 either. if manning is on he will be able to pick the patties d apart, and brady likewise. but i'm really confused here - the patties don't give a fuck what everyone says, but they do?

[Dirk Nowitzki]

I doubt it too...not because its the Colts but I think the whole Patriots organization is so pissed at the whole world that they are going to try and wax everyone they face. IMO, they look like a team that has adopted the "us against the world" mentality and perfected it. I don't think Belichick, Brady and Co. will be happy until they pecker-slap everyone in the league on the way to a 4th Lombardi. Mind you, I don't know this for sure, this is just an opinion. No one on this board actually knows what is going on behind the scenes, we can just speculate.


I would easily assume Peyton Manning and company feel the same exact way. Some even had the Colts going 9-7 and missing the playoffs (Skip Bayless) while others no longer saw them as a serious elite contender.

[Findog]

With the Colts it is. Dungy/Manning show Belichick respect and he'll do the same.

When you follow the Patriots for an entire season and not just the 30 second snippets you get on SportsCenter, maybe you'll know what the fuck you're talking about here.

He's been running up the score on every team he's played this year. He waved off his assistant from taking a head coaching job because of his own issues with the Jets organization. Mangini is no saint himself because of his trying to poach some of the Pats talent on his way out the door, but who the hell is Belicheck to tell a guy he can't take a head coaching job?

I don't watch SportsCenter.

[samikeyp]

I would easily assume Peyton Manning and company feel the same exact way. Some even had the Colts going 9-7 and missing the playoffs (Skip Bayless) while others no longer saw them as a serious elite contender.

Maybe but the Colts haven't been accused of cheating. I think that NE is out to prove that they can win without shenanigans.

[TheZackAttack!]

again, when you act like a bitch you're going to get smacked around like one. If the Cowboys had any pride they wouldn't have bent over and taken it either. They talked a whole lot of shit just to allow that type of bitch slap.


...says mono, Patriots fan since 2001! Yeah!

[mardigan]

Best part of the whole game was Marion's 2 yard 10 broken tackle run in the Boys endzone. The Pats defenders where bitching to the refs the whole game about Barber's stiffarms

[TheZackAttack!]

Best part of the whole game was Marion's 2 yard 10 broken tackle run in the Boys endzone. The Pats defenders where bitching to the refs the whole game about Barber's stiffarms

That was funny when he made Rodney Harrison his bitch.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

IMO, the only way you have a chance to beat NE is to get consistent pressure from your front four.

If Brady and the NE WRs have time, you're done.

[monosylab1k]

...says mono, Patriots fan since 2001! Yeah!
larry whigham.

[FromWayDowntown]

I doubt it too...not because its the Colts but I think the whole Patriots organization is so pissed at the whole world that they are going to try and wax everyone they face. IMO, they look like a team that has adopted the "us against the world" mentality and perfected it. I don't think Belichick, Brady and Co. will be happy until they pecker-slap everyone in the league on the way to a 4th Lombardi. Mind you, I don't know this for sure, this is just an opinion. No one on this board actually knows what is going on behind the scenes, we can just speculate.

Nobody in sports closes ranks the way that the Patriots do. You get the sense, sometimes, that they're a team full of guys that everyone else in the NFL just hates. You also get the sense that they want it that way.

The Patriots are incredibly comfortable in their own skin and they are an extremely tight-knit group that's been through so many battles under so many different circumstances that nothing ever seems to faze them at this point. They lose players and just plug someone new in; they lose assistant coaches and just plug someone new in. That core stays intact and it refuses to worry about what anyone else thinks, while focusing exclusively on winning games. In that sense, I think these guys are clearly on a level with the great Super Bowl dynasties like the Steelers of the 70's, the 49'ers of the 80's, and the Cowboys of the 90's. Those other clubs (and the Steelers and 49'ers of those eras never dealt with free agency and salary caps) were probably all more talented, but I don't think any of them was as resilient and tough-minded as this group of Patriots. That's not to say that those teams were mentally soft, only that this group of Patriots might be among the toughest-minded teams ever.

It's scary that they're this good right now with no appreciable running game and without Richard Seymour, who is probably the best defensive lineman in the game when healthy.

[stretch]

With the Colts it is. Dungy/Manning show Belichick respect and he'll do the same.

When you follow the Patriots for an entire season and not just the 30 second snippets you get on SportsCenter, maybe you'll know what the fuck you're talking about here.
I do recall Belichick refusing to talk to Peyton Manning after he lost in the AFC championship game last year. Manning went out of his way to find him and talk to him afterwards, and Bill didn't even look at the guy. He just nodded his head while walking away angrily. I never recalled Manning ignoring post-game condolences from opponents...

[J.T.]

Week 9 the Colts are going to pick off Brady at least twice and get him for 3 or more sacks. And they'll win the game.

[J.T.]

I do recall Belichick refusing to talk to Peyton Manning after he lost in the AFC championship game last year. Manning went out of his way to find him and talk to him afterwards, and Bill didn't even look at the guy. He just nodded his head while walking away angrily. I never recalled Manning ignoring post-game condolences from opponents...

According to SI, Belichick broke the ice at the Pro Bowl and bought Manning a beer. Probably spiked it with some rufanol and stole his kidneys. Or maybe it was truth serum so he could find out what all of the Colts checks and audibles are.

[mardigan]

Week 9 the Colts are going to pick off Brady at least twice and get him for 3 or more sacks. And they'll win the game.
I think so too. If they are healthy going into that game, I think they could beat the Pats handily

[monosylab1k]

I do recall Belichick refusing to talk to Peyton Manning after he lost in the AFC championship game last year. Manning went out of his way to find him and talk to him afterwards, and Bill didn't even look at the guy. He just nodded his head while walking away angrily. I never recalled Manning ignoring post-game condolences from opponents...
angry? did you even watch what happened 2 seconds earlier when he HUGGED Tony Dungy?

sorry he can't service the entire opposing team with blowjobs after the game, but he's got to get to the locker room since the Colts just won the AFC championship and had a big trophy ceremony to get started. Lingering about on the field after a defeat is more classless than hugging the winning HC and getting the fuck out of there.

[Findog]

I do recall Belichick refusing to talk to Peyton Manning after he lost in the AFC championship game last year. Manning went out of his way to find him and talk to him afterwards, and Bill didn't even look at the guy. He just nodded his head while walking away angrily. I never recalled Manning ignoring post-game condolences from opponents...


Or shoving the cameraman after beating the Jets. Or the way he handled the post-game interview with Solomon Wilcotts. No player or coach wants to do that crap after losing in the playoffs, but it's part of the job, you deal with the media and you handle yourself like a professional. He couldn't be bothered to mouth a few cliches and platitudes, he was a total dick.

Help us Peyton Manning, you're our only hope!

[monosylab1k]

I'm scared.

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According to SI, Belichick broke the ice at the Pro Bowl and bought Manning a beer. Probably spiked it with some rufanol and stole his kidneys. Or maybe it was truth serum so he could find out what all of the Colts checks and audibles are.
How nice of him. Unfortunately that was weeks later, and at the moment that it mattered most, he was very disrespectful, when Manning has done nothing except show him and the Patriots the utmost respect.

[monosylab1k]

I'm bitter

[monosylab1k]

so am i. tuck rule

[monosylab1k]

Or shoving the cameraman after beating the Jets. Or the way he handled the post-game interview with Solomon Wilcotts. No player or coach wants to do that crap after losing in the playoffs, but it's part of the job, you deal with the media and you handle yourself like a professional. He couldn't be bothered to mouth a few cliches and platitudes, he was a total dick.

Help us Peyton Manning, you're our only hope!
For someone who hates it when Spurs fans talk about the Mavericks organization like they know more about it than Mavs fans, and who hates it when all the Dirk psychoanalysis babble comes forth, you sure do talk a whole lot of knowing bullshit about a team that I doubt you see more than 3 or 4 times a year.

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angry? did you even watch what happened 2 seconds earlier when he HUGGED Tony Dungy?

sorry he can't service the entire opposing team with blowjobs after the game, but he's got to get to the locker room since the Colts just won the AFC championship and had a big trophy ceremony to get started. Lingering about on the field after a defeat is more classless than hugging the winning HC and getting the fuck out of there.
He also pushed a cameraman and "hugged" Eric Mangini after a game last year. We all know that the "hug" didn't mean shit either.

The fact is, Manning was always the classiest person when addressing the Patriots after a loss. He never discredited them once, and always showed nothing but the utmost respect for them, and would go out of his way to congratulate guys like Brady and Belichick after games.

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Raiders 3 Rings = Patriots 3 Rings.

Cowboys 5 Rings > Patriots 3 Rings.

[J.T.]

Peyton Manning's trophy case after this year:
http://www.indy500.com/news/2007/images/peyton-300-03142007.jpg
http://www.indy500.com/news/2007/images/peyton-300-03142007.jpg

[Findog]

For someone who hates it when Spurs fans talk about the Mavericks organization like they know more about it than Mavs fans, and who hates it when all the Dirk psychoanalysis babble comes forth, you sure do talk a whole lot of knowing bullshit about a team that I doubt you see more than 3 or 4 times a year.

I give him his due as a coach, he's got the rings to prove it, but what context am I missing here? I'm not psychoanalyzing him, I'm just saying, he comes across as a huge dick. Not that you care or him either.

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For someone who hates it when Spurs fans talk about the Mavericks organization like they know more about it than Mavs fans, and who hates it when all the Dirk psychoanalysis babble comes forth, you sure do talk a whole lot of knowing bullshit about a team that I doubt you see more than 3 or 4 times a year.
You live in Dallas, so you obviously don't see more than 3 or 4 games a year either.

[monosylab1k]

He also pushed a cameraman and "hugged" Eric Mangini after a game last year. We all know that the "hug" didn't mean shit either.

The fact is, Manning was always the classiest person when addressing the Patriots after a loss. He never discredited them once, and always showed nothing but the utmost respect for them, and would go out of his way to congratulate guys like Brady and Belichick after games.
Everyone in the NBA has loads of "evidence" about how "classless" Avery Johnson, Jason Terry, & Mark Cuban all are.....but when you follow the team you get the full picture. Belichick has done some classless things but to think that you know everything of what Belichick's about just from a few incidents with the media is just fucking stupid.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Peyton Manning's trophy case after this year:
http://www.indy500.com/news/2007/images/peyton-300-03142007.jpg
http://www.indy500.com/news/2007/images/peyton-300-03142007.jpg


Until proven otherwise, Indy is the team to beat.

[monosylab1k]

You live in Dallas, so you obviously don't see more than 3 or 4 games a year either.
right, because the internet doesn't exist. video footage of games is completely unavailable to a patriots fan outside of the New England area.

And I highly doubt a Cowboys fan is interested in studying/watching/reading about the Patriots all year long.

[Findog]

You live in Dallas, so you obviously don't see more than 3 or 4 games a year either.

There's Sunday Ticket and the bars, so you never know. mono may be an obnoxious ass at times, but he knows his stuff.

[J.T.]

I'm still having nightmares about last year.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/_photos/2007-02-01-topper-addai.jpg

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Everyone in the NBA has loads of "evidence" about how "classless" Avery Johnson, Jason Terry, & Mark Cuban all are.....but when you follow the team you get the full picture. Belichick has done some classless things but to think that you know everything of what Belichick's about just from a few incidents with the media is just fucking stupid.
No one said anything about the Mavericks being classy.

And there is a difference between being known for being classless, and doing classless things from time to time. Everyone knows that Belichick is a classless asshole. Of course, not that my opinion matters, so I'm not sure why you would be so defensive of him...

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right, because the internet doesn't exist. video footage of games is completely unavailable to a patriots fan outside of the New England area.

And I highly doubt a Cowboys fan is interested in studying/watching/reading about the Patriots all year long.
So are you telling me that you watch every play of every Patriots game? It's bullshit, and you fuckin' know it.

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There's Sunday Ticket and the bars, so you never know. mono may be an obnoxious ass at times, but he knows his stuff.
No, believe me, this guy does not see every single game.

[Findog]

No one said anything about the Mavericks being classy.

And there is a difference between being known for being classless, and doing classless things from time to time. Everyone knows that Belichick is a classless asshole. Of course, not that my opinion matters, so I'm not sure why you would be so defensive of him...

It doesn't take away from their accomplishments. Jimmy Johnson could be curmodgeonly at times. As somebody who is a fan of a rival team that got waxed yesterday, it's really all I have as solace.

[monosylab1k]

So are you telling me that you watch every play of every Patriots game? It's bullshit, and you fuckin' know it.
do you watch every play of ever Raiders/Cowboys/Titans game? That must be fucking hard.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Pats/Colts rivalry is starting to become the new "Spurs/Lakers rivalry".

[Findog]

No, believe me, this guy does not see every single game.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. I don't need to break down game film, read the Boston Herald and subscribe to Patriots Insider to know that Belichick is an ass.

[Findog]

Pats/Colts rivalry is starting to become the new "Spurs/Lakers rivalry".

Or 49ers/Cowboys.

[J.T.]

Pats/Colts rivalry is starting to become the new "Spurs/Lakers rivalry".

Don't ever compare the NFL to the NBA ever again. You just pwned yourself on every level imaginable.

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do you watch every play of ever Raiders/Cowboys/Titans game? That must be fucking hard.
Nope. I sure don't. I never professed to either. Although I see a vast majority of all Cowboys games, since I live in Dallas, which is why I probably know the most about them, since all coverage here is on the Cowboys.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Are you guys really arguing who the classier players and coaches are?

As a fan of one of the loyalest and most well-respected owners in the NFL, that stuff doesn't matter. At all.

[J.T.]

Nope. I sure don't. I never professed to either. Although I see a vast majority of all Cowboys games, since I live in Dallas, which is why I probably know the most about them, since all coverage here is on the Cowboys.

I live in Austin and get every Colts game online for free... there are ways to watch your favorite team without paying out the ass for Sunday Ticket or running up a tab at a bar.

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It doesn't take away from their accomplishments. Jimmy Johnson could be curmodgeonly at times. As somebody who is a fan of a rival team that got waxed yesterday, it's really all I have as solace.
I never once mentioned anything about their accomplishments. Not sure where that got brought up. (although they are cheaters, so I do have my doubts...)

[Findog]

Are you guys really arguing who the classier players and coaches are?

As a fan of one of the loyalest and most well-respected owners in the NFL, that stuff doesn't matter. At all.

Who said anything about him being well-respected? Not many people respect Mr. Ford's acumen when Matt Millen still has a job.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Who said anything about him being well-respected? Not many people respect Mr. Ford's acumen when Matt Millen still has a job.


He is well-respected within the NFL hierarchy.

The media and fans are another matter.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Don't ever compare the NFL to the NBA ever again. You just pwned yourself on every level imaginable.

:wtf :wtf It can easily be compared to that. Pats=lakers Colts=Spurs. Pats owned them for years then Indy gets over the hump and wins it all. That matchup is expected to be the afc title game/superbowl. So I was making a simple analogy. I wasnt saying it was exactly like that but it in ways resembles that rivalry.

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Are you guys really arguing who the classier players and coaches are?

As a fan of one of the loyalest and most well-respected owners in the NFL, that stuff doesn't matter. At all.
That's right. That is why the Colts are still the team to beat, and everyone else is on a level below them, until they are beaten in the playoffs.

[samikeyp]

larry whigham.

Only takes you back to '94.

Now if you had said Tony Eason or Sam Cunningham...then I would have been impressed. :p:

:)

[monosylab1k]

Only takes you back to '94.

Now if you had said Tony Eason or Sam Cunningham...then I would have been impressed. :p:

:)
everybody knows who tony eason is. I could have said Andre Tippett or Hart Lee Dykes but that wouldn't mean a whole hell of a lot either.

if you don't know the significance of Larry Whigham then you don't know much about the Patriots. not that I'm expecting a Cowboys fan to.

[J.T.]

:wtf :wtf It can easily be compared to that. Pats=lakers Colts=Spurs. Pats owned them for years then Indy gets over the hump and wins it all. That matchup is expected to be the afc title game/superbowl. So I was making a simple analogy.

So I guess Tom Brady will start getting pissed at Belichick and run him out of town, then all the WRs will demand trades and NE will lose in the first round for several years, or fail to make the playoffs altogether?

Please, just stop trying to make this comparison.

[monosylab1k]

Colts-Patriots is Colts-Patriots. There is no rivalry like it. I'm not saying it's the most fierce of rivalries (basically it was years of the Patriots shitting all over the Colts, and now the pendulum has swung the other way so that the Colts shit all over the Patriots - and now both sides pretty much respect each other while having some hatred) but there's no comparing what may go down as the two greatest quarterbacks in NFL history dueling each other for years.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

So I guess Tom Brady will start getting pissed at Belichick and run him out of town, then all the WRs will demand trades and NE will lose in the first round for several years, or fail to make the playoffs altogether?

Please, just stop trying to make this comparison.


:rolleyes :rolleyes I was talking about the fucking rivalry ON THE FIELD between the two teams. That was the only basis I was touching on. Not about shit talking, team implosion or someone being like Kobe or Shaq or Tim Duncan. Remember the Spurs/Lakers being the nba finals and now the Colts/Pats is considered by many as the superbowl. What the fuck is wrong with making a minor comparison in terms of eliteness?

[J.T.]

:rolleyes :rolleyes I was talking about the fucking rivalry ON THE FIELD between the two teams. That was the only basis I was touching on. Not about shit talking, team implosion or someone being like Kobe or Shaq or Tim Duncan. Remember the Spurs/Lakers being the nba finals and now the Colts/Pats is considered by many as the superbowl. What the fuck is wrong with making a minor comparison in terms of eliteness?

A lot of things are wrong with it. The NBA and the NFL go together about as well as lamb and tunafish.

[samikeyp]

everybody knows who tony eason is. I could have said Andre Tippett or Hart Lee Dykes but that wouldn't mean a whole hell of a lot either.

if you don't know the significance of Larry Whigham then you don't know much about the Patriots. not that I'm expecting a Cowboys fan to.

Calm down junior, don't get your drawers in a bunch...it was a joke. Hence the smileys.


And yes, I know who Larry Whigham is.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

It's more like to the Wings/Avs rivalry of the early 90s.

Both franchises hated the other with a passion. The Wings had the better record but would choke in the playoffs until 1997. Then they repeated in 98 after going through a grueling 7 game series with the Avs.

Now, the rivalry is gone, much like the Pats/Colts will be in a few years due to FA and retirements.

[Findog]

Calm down junior, don't get your drawers in a bunch...it was a joke. Hence the smileys.


And yes, I know who Larry Whigham is.

You say Tomato, I say tuhmahto, you say Larry Whigham, I say Bill Bates. Every franchise has those kinds of players.

[samikeyp]

You say Tomato, I say tuhmahto, you say Larry Whigham, I say Bill Bates. Every franchise has those kinds of players.

Agreed but I think Mono thought I was calling him out, when in fact I wasn't. I made that pretty clear...or so I thought.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

A lot of things are wrong with it. The NBA and the NFL go together about as well as lamb and tunafish.


Never said the 2 sports or even the rivalaries were alike. I picked a few points from that specific storyline and it had some relation. If you disagree fine. You dont need to be a prick about it. :downspin:

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The NBA and the NFL go together about as well as lamb and tunafish.
Lamb and tuna is good.