Rasheed says NBA "wanted" Cavs, LeBron in Finals [Archive]

SpursDynasty

10-27-2007, 04:49 PM

E20

10-27-2007, 04:57 PM

I love Rahseed Wallace. :lol

Pistons < Spurs

10-27-2007, 04:58 PM

Sheed....you got beat.

Shut up and ball.

SRJ

10-27-2007, 05:26 PM

"And I think we also fell victim to that personal NBA thing where they are trying to make it a world game and get (television) ratings. They wanted to put their darling in there (the NBA Finals) and they did, and look what ended up happening."

Yeah, the NBA does that all the time. I remember in 2005, when the media friendly Spurs were selected to advance past the totally untelegenic Phoenix Suns in the West, while the superstars for the Pistons were hand-picked to advance to the Finals in favor of two unmarketable stiffs like Shaq and Dwyane Wade. I also remember how those same Pistons were handed the NBA championship the year before over those non-jersey selling, completely irrelevant players Shaq and Kobe, who played in that non-entity of a media market, Los Angeles, California.

I like Sheed a lot, but that conspiracy talk is fucking stupid as hell. Figures that DynastyDynastyDynasty would agree with him.

Walter Craparita

10-27-2007, 05:34 PM

That's why the Spurs make it every other year hahahaha Gotta tap into those overwhelming Spur's ratings.

Obstructed_View

10-27-2007, 07:04 PM

The officials were trying awfully hard to get the Pistons to win some of those games. Too bad the Pistons thought they didn't have to play defense.

Lp26

10-27-2007, 07:04 PM

Comments aside, i think Stern's response was funny. He didn't say the comments weren't or couldn't be true. All he said was that the game makes Sheed (and him) alot of money so STFU.

So basically integrity takes a backseet. You make money don't talk.

bdictjames

10-27-2007, 07:05 PM

So they rig it till the Finals?

I bet if Sheed was presented the idea to be a Spur, he would join. I dont think he'd be a good compliment with Duncan though.

Mr.REDLION#22

10-27-2007, 07:06 PM

It may have only been the end of the exhibition season, but Detroit Pistons forward Rasheed Wallace was in mid-season form.

"I still don't think they (Cavaliers) beat us, we beat ourselves," Wallace said. "And I think we also fell victim to that personal NBA thing where they are trying to make it a world game and get (television) ratings. They wanted to put their darling in there (the NBA Finals) and they did, and look what ended up happening.

"This game ain't basketball anymore, it's entertainment," Wallace said. "It's starting to get like the WWF. There ain't no real wrestling anymore either. It's all fake."

Source: Detroit News

I agree! If not for some lucky shots from LeBron in Game 5 and fake fluke shots from some guy named Daniel Gibson in 6, we'd have had a REAL NBA Finals with a REAL team, the Pistons. No junior-varsity teams like Cleveland.

aaaaahhhh its been quit a while since i read the egocentric dumbass posts comming from the pistons and their fanbase...

in 2004...the HATED the lakers cuz they used the "we beat ourselves" excuse

But they used it in 2005 when the spurs defeated them,in 2006 when miami eliminated them,and now in 2007 when cleveland eliminated them....

Hey sheed why dont you try saiying this for a change...

"THE SPURS/HEAT/CAVS WERE THE BETTER TEAMS AND WE SIMPLY COULD NOT STOP DUNCAN,WADE,OR LEBRON.

Amarelooms

10-27-2007, 07:09 PM

Clearly the NBA did not want the Mavs to beat the Heat.....and thus the Mavs did not. Have no fear however.....AmareLOOMS.

Obstructed_View

10-27-2007, 07:22 PM

How did the NBA get Dirk to miss those free throws or for Josh Howard to burn their last timeout?

G-Money

10-27-2007, 09:08 PM

I don't doubt it. I think Sheed would know more about whats going on in the NBA then we all do. And he is not the first player to claim the NBA is fixed. And yes there are ways to fix the game.

duncan228

10-27-2007, 09:28 PM

I agree with him as far as the game being entertainment.
But I still think it's basketball and I don't think it's fixed.

Ratings matter, making money matters.
The NBA is a business.

But we all know how the ratings are when the Spurs are in the Finals. Even against the money making machine of LeBron.

If the game was fixed the Spurs wouldn't have four Titles.

Obstructed_View

10-27-2007, 09:48 PM

I don't doubt it. I think Sheed would know more about whats going on in the NBA then we all do. And he is not the first player to claim the NBA is fixed. And yes there are ways to fix the game.
Rasheed's also not the first player to claim the NBA was fixed after losing. I don't recall hearing anything about it when his team beat the NBA darling Lakers in the finals.

boutons_

10-27-2007, 10:05 PM

When the Pistons won vs Lakers, was it fixed?

Stern paid someboy to fall on Malone's knee, taking Malone out of the Finals?

IceColdBrewski

10-27-2007, 10:32 PM

When the Pistons won vs Lakers, was it fixed?

Stern paid someboy to fall on Malone's knee, taking Malone out of the Finals?

My thoughts exactly. Sheed needs to take off that Championship ring and sell it for what he can. It's obviously a ring from a "fake" Championship.

jman3000

10-27-2007, 10:33 PM

lakers fans thought the league was fixed when they lost in 04 because they thought stern had it out for kobe.

LakeShow

10-27-2007, 11:06 PM

Please give me a break about Stern not wanting the spurs to be in the finals because of ratings, blah, blah, blah,... I call Bullshit! The Spurs are the "POSTER TEAM" for stern's "globalization" of the NBA! What other team in the league would promote that better than the S.A Spurs? I read a little while ago that the Spurs were No.1 in gear sales for the NBA. WTF?? I don't see any of their gear in Calif. I mean, I do not remember seeing anyone with a SA Jersey, Cap, Photos or even a damn coffee cup. When the Cowboys were no.1 in gear sales, you could tell they were because in LA, cowboy gear was a big seller, same with the Bulls, Lebron, Shaq, Wade, etc. So how in the world are they #1 in gear sales? They're #1 because in Argentina, France, etc.. every other household probably has some form of Spurs gears.

Don't believe the hype, Stern Loves the Spurs!

jman3000

10-27-2007, 11:09 PM

^^^

yeah and that too.

lakers fans thought the league was fixed when they lost in 04 because they thought stern had it out for kobe.

LakeShow

10-27-2007, 11:14 PM

^^^

yeah and that too.

:lol

duncan228

10-27-2007, 11:20 PM

I don't see any of their gear in Calif. I mean, I do not remember seeing anyone with a SA Jersey, Cap, Photos or even a damn coffee cup.

I'm in Southern California and I do all of the above.
Wear Spurs T Shirts, Duncan Jerseys, I wear the Championship caps, and I drink my coffee out of a Spurs mug every morning.
Just so you know there are some of us here. :lol

I agree with your take on the Spurs being Stern's globalization ideal.
No other team does it as well, and the Spurs win.

But the TV ratings do fall here when the Spurs are in the Finals. Even with LeBron.
Stern has to balance it all. The globalization that he's been pushing for years, the money the league needs to generate. The ratings that sell the ad time to the sponsers.
It all has to play a part.

But I don't think it's fixed. I don't think Stern picks who gets to the Finals.
And I don't think Stern hates the Spurs.

LakeShow

10-27-2007, 11:31 PM

I'm in Southern California and I do all of the above.
Wear Spurs T Shirts, Duncan Jerseys, I wear the Championship caps, and I drink my coffee out of a Spurs mug every morning.
Just so you know there are some of us here. :lol

I agree with your take on the Spurs being Stern's globalization ideal.
No other team does it as well, and the Spurs win.

But the TV ratings do fall here when the Spurs are in the Finals. Even with LeBron.
Stern has to balance it all. The globalization that he's been pushing for years, the money the league needs to generate. The ratings that sell the ad time to the sponsers.
It all has to play a part.

But I don't think it's fixed. I don't think Stern picks who gets to the Finals.
And I don't think Stern hates the Spurs.

I thought about you when I said that about the gear. Lets you know I haven't seen you in the streets. lol

It's not working too well for Stern right now and I think he's taking a bigger hit than expected. The NBA is at it's lowest right now. He may shift gears this season.

duncan228

10-27-2007, 11:58 PM

I thought about you when I said that about the gear. Lets you know I haven't seen you in the streets. lol

You'll know me if you see me.
I don't have to "dress up" for work, I work from home.
It's rare I don't have a Spurs T on. :lol

Walter Craparita

10-28-2007, 12:01 AM

It's not working too well for Stern right now and I think he's taking a bigger hit than expected. The NBA is at it's lowest right now. He may shift gears this season.

That's what I'm afraid of.

leemajors

10-28-2007, 01:22 AM

I thought about you when I said that about the gear. Lets you know I haven't seen you in the streets. lol

It's not working too well for Stern right now and I think he's taking a bigger hit than expected. The NBA is at it's lowest right now. He may shift gears this season.
NBA popularity worldwide is at an all time high.

ChumpDumper

10-28-2007, 03:14 AM

The league keeps making more and more money, but it's at "it's lowest right now."

:rolleyes

jman3000

10-28-2007, 03:30 AM

nothing like a 4 game series to really get the word out.

freedom&justice

10-28-2007, 08:39 AM

I like Sheed as much as the next fan, but sometimes I wish he'd just STFU. Still, Stern's response to Sheed's outburst doesn't exactly inspire confidence either, particularly when you take into account the fact that there is still no transparency with regards to ref policy and Stern's comparative leniency when it comes to his precious refs.

leemajors

10-28-2007, 11:17 AM

resistanze

10-28-2007, 11:27 AM

With the way they played against the Cavs last season, you'd think the Pistons were part of the fix.

I like watching Sheed play and I thought they were gonna be too much for the Cavs, but they didn't deserve it. The new season it almost here; let it go.

duncan228

10-28-2007, 12:59 PM

I like watching Sheed play and I thought they were gonna be too much for the Cavs, but they didn't deserve it. The new season it almost here; let it go.

Has Rasheed ever let anything go?
I can still picture him walking in the tunnel before game 1 in '05 with that stupid belt around his shoulder. :lol

G-Money

10-28-2007, 01:43 PM

Rasheed's also not the first player to claim the NBA was fixed after losing. I don't recall hearing anything about it when his team beat the NBA darling Lakers in the finals.

Why would stern want to help the Pistons beat the Lakers filled with a team of hall of famers? Fuck I remember last year when they were playing NBA finals games on ESPN they pretty much did every series besides the 04 Finals. That tells me Stern wants people to forget.

And again the way Stern fines people for saying stuff like this makes me believe even more that its fixed. And besides its easy to fix the game. Just keep calling questionable calls.

And again I think the players in the NBA would know a whole lot more about whats going on in the NBA then we do. So saying Rasheed is wrong is stupid and the way Stern acts and how he goes about his business, it doesn't make him look any better.

JamStone

10-28-2007, 02:39 PM

Sheed says what he feels. He says stupid shit all the time. And, even if the NBA wanted the Cavs to be in the Finals, the Pistons still should have won. The NBA wanted the Suns in the Finals too, but the Spurs made sure they didn't get there.

But, Sheed is entertaining if anything.

lrrr

10-28-2007, 08:27 PM

When LBJ ripped the Pistons apart for 48, he only made 10 points from the FT line. The other 38 were from FGs! I don't think there's a lot the refs could have done to make those shots fall. That had more to do with the non-existant D.

JamStone

10-28-2007, 09:57 PM

Not that I agree with Rasheed's comments, but you do know there are ways to influence games other than awarding free throws. Getting a non-shooting foul before the bonus doesn't result in free throws. Goal-tending or non-goal tending calls, out-of-bounds calls, travelling calls, moving picks, offensive fouls or charges, non-calls on shots ... none of those result in free throws but could very well influence a game.

Again, not that I agree with Rasheed because I don't, but looking at a player's free throws isn't the most accurate evidence of "foul" (pun intended) play by the officials and the NBA.

Obstructed_View

10-29-2007, 02:50 AM

Why would stern want to help the Pistons beat the Lakers filled with a team of hall of famers? Fuck I remember last year when they were playing NBA finals games on ESPN they pretty much did every series besides the 04 Finals. That tells me Stern wants people to forget.

And again the way Stern fines people for saying stuff like this makes me believe even more that its fixed. And besides its easy to fix the game. Just keep calling questionable calls.

And again I think the players in the NBA would know a whole lot more about whats going on in the NBA then we do. So saying Rasheed is wrong is stupid and the way Stern acts and how he goes about his business, it doesn't make him look any better.
So you agree with 'sheed that the NBA is fixed, but only when someone other than Detroit wins? :lmao :rolleyes

Almost all the questionable calls in the Pistons/Cavs series were in Detroit's favor. Go back and watch the games.

phx_13

10-29-2007, 07:46 AM

How did the NBA get Dirk to miss those free throws or for Josh Howard to burn their last timeout?

no they are just idiots,but if stern was to fix any playoff finals it would be against the mavs...do you really think he would want to give the trophy to mark cuban.Maybe sheed is on to something he tried to tell us there was something up with tim donaghy but nobody listened to him and he was right

JamStone

10-29-2007, 07:57 AM

Almost all the questionable calls in the Pistons/Cavs series were in Detroit's favor. Go back and watch the games.

Not true at all. The calls were not really in favor of either team. Just like with any game, any playoff series, there were plenty of questionable calls for both teams. You just remember one or two of the "late" game calls that went against Cleveland. There were plenty of poor calls against Detroit as well. And, as I just stated, bad calls are more than just phantom fouls or missed fouls.

stretch

10-29-2007, 08:06 AM

I don't see any of their gear in Calif.
Since when do you live in California? Last I heard, you live in El Paso or some place like that. I remember because Island_Dude was trying to get you to come to Houston to see the Mavs and Rockets play.

diego

10-29-2007, 08:06 AM

i like sheed and the pistons but they sucked ass last year and the refs had nothing to do with it. if the NBA is fixed entertainment then how do our boring old spurs win 3 in 5? (include the pistons 04 ring and thats 4 of the last 5 champs won by "boring" low ratings teams). bottom line detroit was horrible across the board, and sheed was a big part of that, from the weak post play, to the poor leadership/sportsmanship (in game tantrums and media diatribes), to even the tactical end since sheed was part of the flip mutiny (and for all the flak flip gets, the players managed to do a WORSE job). really this is just a horrible argument and exposes sheed as a crybaby loser.

Armando

10-29-2007, 08:24 AM

Yeah the NBA is fixed. Sheed is right the NBA would rather see the Spurs and the Cavs as opposed to Suns/Cavs. He needs to admit the Pistons blew it the past 2 playoff seasons and stop spouting wild theories. You are talking about someone who got ejected in the deciding Game 6. Funny how players talk about conspiracy when they lose.

Thunder Dan

10-29-2007, 08:57 AM

he is the biggest cry baby in sports. But he won't have to worry about it this year because the Cavs will suck.

LakeShow

10-29-2007, 09:32 AM

Rasheed is a hothead, a Rebel. I would not be surprised if he were listening to “Fight the Power” over and over in his headset but he speaks his mind. I respect that! We see those questionable and blatant bad calls from afar and wonder WTF? Wallace see’s them up close and personal and says, FIX! Somewhere between WTF & FIX is the answer.

We all knew that the League wanted James in the Finals. That’s a no brainier! What we didn’t know is what lengths the league would take to see to the Cavs being in the finals. To dismiss Wallace’s thoughts as asinine, when the integrity and the fairness of the league has been questioned all summer long, Priceless!

samikeyp

10-29-2007, 10:09 AM

This is what we have degenerated to. Seems to me that every fanbase has that group of people who think their team never actually loses instead it was "stolen" from them. It was the refs or the league or global warming or terrorism or Britney. It's not every fan but there seems to be more and more whiny, bitchy types. Sadly, its some of the players too. They have had sunshine blown up their asses since 5 years old being told how awesome they are so they never learn to deal with defeat. Now I do believe that the NBA would prefer a matchup that would generate ratings (Stern's Lakers vs. Lakers remark comes to mind) but this whole thing about the NBA having hidden agendas is just stupid, IMO. Teams win championships because they are good. You don't win three in a row, in LA's case or 3 in 5 years, in SA's case, without being talented. No one despises losing as much as I do but it happens, you don't whine, bitch or blame someone else. You work harder and come back the next time and try again.

Totally off topic...Lakeshow...I am going to be visiting what you would consider hallowed ground. My nephew goes to Everett H.S. here in Lansing and when BBall season starts, we are going to take in a game. I assume you know who Everett High's most famous player is? :)

LakeShow

10-29-2007, 10:30 AM

Totally off topic...Lakeshow...I am going to be visiting what you would consider hallowed ground. My nephew goes to Everett H.S. here in Lansing and when BBall season starts, we are going to take in a game. I assume you know who Everett High's most famous player is? :)

No doubt! Buck himself! If you get a chance, maybe you can post a couple of pictures? :)

bdubya

10-29-2007, 10:48 AM

Stern wasn't the one harrassing Billups into half his normal assists and twice his normal TOs in that series. And he DAMN sure wasn't the one rolling out the red carpet down the lane for LeBron.

C'mon, Sheed...didja ever think maybe the league is "fixed" against the guys who are in the refs faces every minute they're on the floor, bitching about every single call, good or bad?

JamStone

10-29-2007, 11:23 AM

he is the biggest cry baby in sports. But he won't have to worry about it this year because the Cavs will suck.

Being an obnoxious loudmouth who talks too much and being a crybaby are two significantly different things. Rasheed is the former. Examples of the latter include Andrei Kirilenko, Shawn Marion, Barry Bonds, and the majority of sports fans of losing teams that were supposed to be good.

Rasheed has been called a crybaby before for saying that officials are crooked. Turns out he was right in some of those instances. The guy he had a confrontation with outside of the Rose Garden in Portland ... Tom Donaghy.

He speaks his mind and when he feels something isn't right, he says something. Instantly, people want to call him a crybaby because he's a loud and obnoxious asshole to them. He's more akin to a guy like Eric Byrnes or even Shaq as in he just says what he feels. Byrnes and Shaq are rarely called crybabies.

People often mis-define the word "crybaby."

Is Rasheed one of the more obnoxiously outspoken personalities in sports? Sure. Is he the biggest crybaby in sports? Hardly.

bdubya

10-29-2007, 11:29 AM

Being an obnoxious loudmouth who talks too much and being a crybaby are two significantly different things. Rasheed is the former.

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That's poetry. Can I use it for my sig?

JamStone

10-29-2007, 11:33 AM

You're more than welcome to. I admit I'm a big Rasheed fan. But, people criticize him for the wrong things way too much. He's an ass. He's not a crybaby.

Thunder Dan

10-29-2007, 11:36 AM

Being an obnoxious loudmouth who talks too much and being a crybaby are two significantly different things. Rasheed is the former. Examples of the latter include Andrei Kirilenko, Shawn Marion, Barry Bonds, and the majority of sports fans of losing teams that were supposed to be good.

Rasheed has been called a crybaby before for saying that officials are crooked. Turns out he was right in some of those instances. The guy he had a confrontation with outside of the Rose Garden in Portland ... Tom Donaghy.

He speaks his mind and when he feels something isn't right, he says something. Instantly, people want to call him a crybaby because he's a loud and obnoxious asshole to them. He's more akin to a guy like Eric Byrnes or even Shaq as in he just says what he feels. Byrnes and Shaq are rarely called crybabies.

People often mis-define the word "crybaby."

Is Rasheed one of the more obnoxiously outspoken personalities in sports? Sure. Is he the biggest crybaby in sports? Hardly.

so you don't classify throwing tantrums like an 8 year old after calls against you a cry baby? Barry Bonds has never thrown tantrums, and Eric Bynes has never taken his jersey off and thrown it because he was acting like a child. I define the word crybaby as someone that acts like a child when they don't get ther way, Rasheed is the poster boy for that.

It's after EVERY call though, he is the only person that thinks that the officials should never call a foul on him. He always gives the look of shock when he gets called, and never drops it. He is a crybaby.

JamStone

10-29-2007, 12:29 PM

Being pissed off is not crying. What you define as throwing a tantrum have been instances where Rasheed wanted to fight officials for making bad calls. Kids throwing tantrums aren't trying to fight. Kids throwing tantrums stay put and jump up and down and cry. Rasheed wants to fight someone when he's getting technical fouls called on him. He's pissed off.

Kirilenko actually physically cried and whined about not being involved in the offense. Marion cried about not getting enough appreciation. Barry Bonds whined about comments by Bob Costas and other members of the media. Bonds has silent tantrums and avoids the media and places his son in front of him so the media can't ask him questions.

Rasheed is defiant. He has a temper. That's not child like behavior. That's pissed off behavior. Arguing with officials is something the majority of players do, even LeBron James. The fact that Rasheed is more animated about it and has a temper when he does it simply means that. It doesn't equate to crying.

Again, he's obnoxious. He's a loudmouth. He can be an asshole. He's not much of a crybaby.

Spawn

10-29-2007, 03:34 PM

Did the league stop being real around 2004 Sheed?

Spawn

10-29-2007, 03:38 PM

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/6058/rasheedcel627070524ny1.jpg

The league hasn't been the same since. :depressed

Obstructed_View

10-29-2007, 04:29 PM

no they are just idiots,but if stern was to fix any playoff finals it would be against the mavs...do you really think he would want to give the trophy to mark cuban.Maybe sheed is on to something he tried to tell us there was something up with tim donaghy but nobody listened to him and he was right
But if Dirk hits those free throws the Mavs win the game. If Howard doesn't take that timeout the Mavs can inbound the ball from half court. Those were big plays; certainly bigger than any calls by the refs. If the refs were trying to get the Heat past the Mavs they wouldn't even have put Dirk on the line in the position to win the game in the first place.