Demos in D.C., taking care of the important things

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/07/halloween.flap/index.html

Let's see. We have a mortgage meltdown going on. The dollar is on its way to being the American peso. Border security still blows, no one is doing shit about illegal immigration. Social Security is on its downward spiral, oil is at record highs.

And yet they are worried about a fucking Halloween costume. It's Halloween, damnit.

Useless fucks.

[Nbadan]

You do know that she was another infamous Dubya recess appointment, right?

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/07/halloween.flap/index.html

Let's see. We have a mortgage meltdown going on. The dollar is on its way to being the American peso. Border security still blows, no one is doing shit about illegal immigration. Social Security is on its downward spiral, oil is at record highs.

And yet they are worried about a fucking Halloween costume. It's Halloween, damnit.

Useless fucks.




I thought the economy was booming and everyone was sharing in it's prosperity?

[Yonivore]

I thought the economy was booming
It is.


...and everyone was sharing in it's prosperity?
Well, everyone, in the sense that more people than ever before are sharing in the prosperity. The sensational represents Americans that invested poorly.

Are there a lot of forclosures? Yes. But, there are a quite a few more people that owned homes on which to foreclose. Maybe they should have stayed as renters.

Even when you put them back in apartments and duplexes, there'll be more people owning their homes than in 2000.

[Yonivore]

Oh yeah, and before you start whining that the housing bust is throwing people on the street...

HUD: Number Of Homeless Down 12% (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/07/national/main3464205.shtml?source=RSSattr=U.S._3464205)

Yes, I realize that's for 2005-2006 but, I'm betting many of that 12% ended up with sub-prime mortgages and that, even with the bust, chronic homelessness will not rise by 12% this year. So, you have a net gain in the "chronically homed."

By the way, homelessness has dropped every year of the Bush presidency whihch, of course, belies another liberal article of faith...Homelessness increases under Republican administrations; well, at least it becomes more of a news topic under Republican administrations anyway.

Renaissance of the Homeless (http://opinionjournal.com/columnists/mhelprin/?id=65000507)

Liberals gave Reagan a bum rap. They may do the same to President Bush.

[xrayzebra]

Are there a lot of forclosures? Yes. But, there are a quite a few more people that owned homes on which to foreclose. Maybe they should have stayed as renters.



I wonder if Congress is ready to take the blame for these
foreclosures? I doubt it. But they are the ones who told
mortgage companies to get these poor folks into homes so
they could share in the American dream of owning a home.
And they did and see what happened. Some more of
those expert politicians who know all.

[Yonivore]

I wonder if Congress is ready to take the blame for these
foreclosures? I doubt it. But they are the ones who told
mortgage companies to get these poor folks into homes so
they could share in the American dream of owning a home.
And they did and see what happened. Some more of
those expert politicians who know all.
Fuck with the free market and it'll bite your ass.

[xrayzebra]

Fuck with the free market and it'll bite your ass.


Every time, every time. :depressed

[boutons_]

'HUD: Number Of Homeless Down 12%'

Do you and your idol dubya support the troops:

"Surge Seen in Number of Homeless Veterans"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/us/08vets.html?hp

They went in to service because were poor and uneducated, not because they were "patriotic". They come out of the service poor and uneducated, and very often damaged physically and mentally. Is dubya taking the lead on this issue? Does dubya support the (ex) troops?

Only jerkoff shill like yoni would believe numbers from lying dubya's politicized, lying HUD.

[George Gervin's Afro]

'HUD: Number Of Homeless Down 12%'

Do you and your idol dubya support the troops:

"Surge Seen in Number of Homeless Veterans"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/us/08vets.html?hp

They went in to service because were poor and uneducated, not because they were "patriotic". They come out of the service poor and uneducated, and very often damaged physically and mentally. Is dubya taking the lead on this issue? Does dubya support the (ex) troops?

Only jerkoff shill like yoni would believe numbers from lying dubya's politicized, lying HUD.



no, no congress is to blame. :rolleyes

there i saved xray a post.

[boutons_]

"more people than ever before are sharing in the prosperity"

total lie

[Yonivore]

no, no congress is to blame. :rolleyes

there i saved xray a post.
Yeah, but you didn't save me one...damnit.

99.4% of veterans have homes. That's a veterans homelessness rate of .6%, well below the national average. And, the number of total homeless on any given night is less than a million. Well, that’s not good, is it? If the government actually solves a problem, then the bureaucracy will have to go.

Enter the VA with its press release. Why 1-in-4 homeless people are veterans! From an AP story:


“We’re going to be having a tsunami of them eventually because the mental health toll from this war is enormous,” said Daniel Tooth, director of veterans affairs for Lancaster County, Pa.
Tsunami? Try a drop in the bucket.

How many homeless vets are there? AP reported: “2005 data estimated that 194,254 homeless people out of 744,313 on any given night were veterans.”

There are 25 million veterans.

That means 99.4% of them have homes.

194,254 homeless vets are a problem. But, America is dealing with it.

The VA has a very serious program that is now in its 20th year. But AP reported the number of homeless vets has dropped only by 50,000 or so in that time.

The VA budget has nearly doubled on Bush’s watch. He sought $39.5 billion for the fiscal year that began Oct. 1 (the Democratic Congress has failed to meet the Sept. 30 deadline for sending even one of the 13 appropriations bills to the president — but that is a whole ’nother story).

It is cynically dishonest for VA bureaucrats to trot out this 1-in-4 statistic to shake down even more money. It makes it seem as though 1-in-4 veterans are homeless, when we are not.

Far from it.

The AP report on homeless vets:


WASHINGTON — Veterans make up one in four homeless people in the United States, though they are only 11 percent of the general adult population, according to a report released Nov. 8.

And homelessness is not just a problem among middle-age and elderly veterans. Younger veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan are trickling into shelters and soup kitchens seeking services, treatment or help with finding a job.

The Veterans Affairs Department has identified 1,500 homeless veterans from the current wars and says 400 of them have participated in its programs specifically targeting homelessness.

The Alliance to End Homelessness, a public education nonprofit, based the findings of its report on numbers from Veterans Affairs and the Census Bureau. 2005 data estimated that 194,254 homeless people out of 744,313 on any given night were veterans.

In comparison, the VA says that 20 years ago, the estimated number of veterans who were homeless on any given night was 250,000.

Some advocates say such an early presence of veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan at shelters does not bode well for the future. It took roughly a decade for the lives of Vietnam veterans to unravel to the point that they started showing up among the homeless.

Advocates worry that intense and repeated deployments leave newer veterans particularly vulnerable.

“We’re going to be having a tsunami of them eventually because the mental health toll from this war is enormous,” said Daniel Tooth, director of veterans affairs for Lancaster County, Pa.

While services to homeless veterans have improved in the past 20 years, advocates say more financial resources still are needed.

With the spotlight on the plight of Iraq veterans, they hope more will be done to prevent homelessness and provide affordable housing to the younger veterans while there’s a window of opportunity.

“When the Vietnam War ended, that was part of the problem. The war was over, it was off TV, nobody wanted to hear about it,” said John Keaveney, a Vietnam veteran and a founder of New Directions in Los Angeles, which provides substance abuse help, job training and shelter to veterans.

“I think they’ll be forgotten,” Keaveney said of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. “People get tired of it. It’s not glitzy that these are young, honorable, patriotic Americans. They’ll just be veterans, and that happens after every war.”

Keaveney said it’s difficult for his group to persuade some homeless Iraq veterans to stay for treatment and help because they don’t relate to the older veterans. Those who stayed have had success — one is now a stock broker and another is applying to be a police officer, he said.

“They see guys that are their father’s age and they don’t understand, they don’t know, that in a couple of years they’ll be looking like them,” he said.

After being discharged from the military, Jason Kelley, 23, of Tomahawk, Wis., who served in Iraq with the Wisconsin National Guard, took a bus to Los Angeles looking for better job prospects and a new life.

Kelley said he couldn’t find a job because he didn’t have an apartment, and he couldn’t get an apartment because he didn’t have a job. He stayed in a $300-a-week motel until his money ran out, then moved into a shelter run by the group U.S. VETS in Inglewood, Calif. He’s since been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, he said.

“The only training I have is infantry training and there’s not really a need for that in the civilian world,” Kelley said in a phone interview. He has enrolled in college and hopes to move out of the shelter soon.

The Iraq vets seeking help with homelessness are more likely to be women, less likely to have substance abuse problems, but more likely to have mental illness — mostly related to post-traumatic stress, said Pete Dougherty, director of homeless veterans programs at the VA.

Overall, 45 percent of participants in the VA’s homeless programs have a diagnosable mental illness and more than three out of four have a substance abuse problem, while 35 percent have both, Dougherty said.

Historically, a number of fighters in U.S. wars have become homeless. In the post-Civil War era, homeless veterans sang old Army songs to dramatize their need for work and became known as “tramps,” which had meant to march into war, said Todd DePastino, a historian at Penn State University’s Beaver campus who wrote a book on the history of homelessness.

After World War I, thousands of veterans — many of them homeless — camped in the nation’s capital seeking bonus money.

Their camps were destroyed by the government, creating a public relations disaster for President Herbert Hoover.

The end of the Vietnam War coincided with a time of economic restructuring, and many of the same people who fought in Vietnam were also those most affected by the loss of manufacturing jobs, DePastino said.

Their entrance to the streets was traumatic and, as they aged, their problems became more chronic, recalled Sister Mary Scullion, who has worked with the homeless for 30 years and co-founded of the group Project H.O.M.E. in Philadelphia.

“It takes more to address the needs because they are multiple needs that have been unattended,” Scullion said. “Life on the street is brutal and I know many, many homeless veterans who have died from Vietnam.”

The VA started targeting homelessness in 1987, 12 years after the fall of Saigon. Today, the VA has, either on its own or through partnerships, more than 15,000 residential rehabilitative, transitional and permanent beds for homeless veterans nationwide.

It spends about $265 million annually on homeless-specific programs and about $1.5 billion for all health care costs for homeless veterans.

Because of these types of programs and because two years of free medical care is being offered to all Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, Dougherty said they hope many veterans from recent wars who are in need can be identified early.

“Clearly, I don’t think that’s going to totally solve the problem, but I also don’t think we’re simply going to wait for 10 years until they show up,” Dougherty said. “We’re out there now trying to get everybody we can to get those kinds of services today, so we avoid this kind of problem in the future.”

In all of 2006, the Alliance to End Homelessness estimates that 495,400 veterans were homeless at some point during the year.

The group recommends that 5,000 housing units be created per year for the next five years dedicated to the chronically homeless that would provide permanent housing linked to veterans’ support systems. It also recommends funding an additional 20,000 housing vouchers exclusively for homeless veterans, and creating a program that helps bridge the gap between income and rent.

Following those recommendations would cost billions of dollars, but there is some movement in Congress to increase the amount of money dedicated to homeless veterans programs.

On a recent day in Philadelphia, case managers from Project H.O.M.E. and the VA picked up William Joyce, 60, a homeless Vietnam veteran in a wheelchair who said he’d been sleeping at a bus terminal.

“You’re an honorable veteran. You’re going to get some services,” outreach worker Mark Salvatore told Joyce. “You need to be connected. You don’t need to be out here on the streets.”
I am glad that they are helping these veterans. But in seeking funding, must they portray all veterans as a bunch of homeless, drug-addicted losers?

The New York Times shamelessly and recklessly labeled its deceptive story: “Surge Seen in Number of Homeless Veterans (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/us/08vets.html?_r=1&ex=1352264400&en=ac74df3f3e130f8b&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin).” The actual number has fallen.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You do know that she was another infamous Dubya recess appointment, right?

So you're admitting it's a partisan witch hunt. Thanks for playing.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I thought the economy was booming and everyone was sharing in it's prosperity?

Personally, I'm doing great. For a lot of people, the economy is doing well. The oil situation and value of the dollar are legit concerns.

Outside of that, the other shit has been and will continue to be a problem until someone in D.C. grows a fucking pair.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

'HUD: Number Of Homeless Down 12%'

Do you and your idol dubya support the troops:

"Surge Seen in Number of Homeless Veterans"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/us/08vets.html?hp

They went in to service because were poor and uneducated, not because they were "patriotic". They come out of the service poor and uneducated, and very often damaged physically and mentally. Is dubya taking the lead on this issue? Does dubya support the (ex) troops?

Only jerkoff shill like yoni would believe numbers from lying dubya's politicized, lying HUD.

I think any poor treatment of our vets is cause for criticism, which Bush deserves for this.

I have to ask you though, where are Pelosi and her Democratic crew on this? Oh yeah, they're worried about stupid shit like what costume someone wore at a Halloween party.

[boutons_]

why ask me about Pelosi and Dems? I'm not a Dem and don't support the Dems.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

why ask me about Pelosi and Dems? I'm not a Dem and don't support the Dems.

First I've heard you admit that.

At any rate, I don't care what side of the aisle they're on in D.C. (I guess I need to throw the independents in here too), I just want to see someone fucking lead this country for once and address the concerns I mentioned in post 1, instead of worrying about stupid shit like Halloween costumes or all the inquiries that the Demos have been making about Bush and Rove since they took over last fall.

They're supposed to be there leading the country, not doing everything they can to speed up the process of us circling the drain.

I see they approved the 'Water Bill' today, nothing like a $14 billion bill with 9 billion in pork added *sigh*