If Obama wasn't black.... [Archive]

101A

11-12-2007, 08:25 AM

ChumpDumper

11-12-2007, 09:09 AM

Funny, it's the same reason he won't be president.

101A

11-12-2007, 09:20 AM

Funny, it's the same reason he won't be president.You think?

I think Colin Powell would be elected in a landside if he ran.

Mr. Peabody

11-12-2007, 11:31 AM

Would he be a senator...much less a presidential candidate?

Watching him on Meet the Press yesterday, I'd have to say, "No".

(of course GW or Hillary wouldn't be where they are if they weren't WHO they are, but I would like to talk about Obama)

If anybody else caught it, what were your impressions?

Hmmm. He ran against another Black man in Illinois for Senator, so it couldn't have been his race that got him elected. Jesse Jackson is Black and ran for president, but didn't do as well as Obama. Carole Mosley Braun ran in 2004 and didn't poll anywhere close to what Obama is polling at now.

What I wonder is would you be calling his credentials into question if he wasn't Black? Certainly he is no worse than any of the other candidates.

George Gervin's Afro

11-12-2007, 12:14 PM

You think?

I think Colin Powell would be elected in a landside if he ran.

I'd vote for a republican Colin Powell.. in a heart beat

101A

11-12-2007, 12:20 PM

Hmmm. He ran against another Black man in Illinois for Senator, so it couldn't have been his race that got him elected. Jesse Jackson is Black and ran for president, but didn't do as well as Obama. Carole Mosley Braun ran in 2004 and didn't poll anywhere close to what Obama is polling at now.

What I wonder is would you be calling his credentials into question if he wasn't Black? Certainly he is no worse than any of the other candidates.
I didn't question his credentials; I wonder what is so awesome about him. I expected something more charismatic and masterful for him to have come so far, so fast. Clinton always awed me with his obvious intellect, political instinct and smoothness. Kennedy was a Kennedy, Bush was a Bush - there are other young politicians out there - why him?

I think because he's black, and I think Joe Biden (javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/politics/2007/01/31/snow.biden.blunder.affl','2007/02/14');) agrees with me.

Mr. Peabody

11-12-2007, 12:34 PM

I didn't question his credentials; I wonder what is so awesome about him. I expected something more charismatic and masterful for him to have come so far, so fast. Clinton always awed me with his obvious intellect, political instinct and smoothness. Kennedy was a Kennedy, Bush was a Bush - there are other young politicians out there - why him?

I think because he's black, and I think Joe Biden (javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/politics/2007/01/31/snow.biden.blunder.affl','2007/02/14');) agrees with me.

Your link doesn't work, but I am assuming that you are referring to Biden's statement that Obama is the first Black candidate that is (if my memory serves correctly) "mainstream, clean, and articulate."

I don't know what Biden was trying to say, but again, clearly it's not all about his race. There have been plenty of Black candidates that have not done as well as Obama. And I assume that is exactly what Biden meant by his comment. Namely, that Obama is the first Black candidate that people will take seriously.

Plus, your first post indicates that you are judging him solely by his appearance on Meet the Press. I have watched every candidate that has been on Meet the Press lately and none have wowed me with their appearances, including Obama. Again though, that's been true for all of them. It's hard to come off well with Russert trying to play "Gotcha" with every question.

101A

11-12-2007, 12:41 PM

I have watched every candidate that has been on Meet the Press lately and none have wowed me with their appearances...
The state of politics. :depressed

101A

11-12-2007, 12:46 PM

It's hard to come off well with Russert trying to play "Gotcha" with every question.You mean like when he brought up the quote from the DNC convention in '04 when Obama said, "there isn't much difference between me and Bush on Iraq"?

and Obama answered by saying, "Well, you know, we had two candidates who voted for entering the war, so what could I do?"

You mean moments like that?

That ain't a gotcha - because Russert dropped it!

a "Gotcha" WOULD have been:

"So, you'll say whatever needs to be said as long as it is politically expedient." OR "You'll put your party ahead of your own political veiws".

But Russert didn't say either of those things. He said, "OK".

OR When talking about Social Security, and Obama was talking about making the tough choices, which boiled down to making a minority of the population pay for the over burdened demands of the majority's entitlement program. I don't understand what is so bold about that? Take from the rich - give to the poor AND middle class certainly won't cost him that many votes!

xrayzebra

11-12-2007, 01:59 PM

George Gervin's Afro

11-12-2007, 02:10 PM

Obama is a socialist. Pure and simple. Just like Hillary.
Edwards is a lawyer, running on the fumes of socialism.
He could care less what happens to the coutry. So long
as he gets elected. Edwards will take care of Edwards
and Hillary will do her socialist thing and take care of
the elitist Socialist.

:rolleyes

sigh...

but,but,but the reublicans don't care about power they are in it strictly for the country..they don't care about power but the dems do..

xrayzebra

11-12-2007, 02:36 PM

:rolleyes

sigh...

but,but,but the reublicans don't care about power they are in it strictly for the country..they don't care about power but the dems do..

Of course we care about power, dummy. We want to be
able to appoint the new supremes. But we do care about
country as well. But you would never understand, I mean
after all. Conservatives are bad to the core. And that is
all you see. You dimms put someone up for election that
really cares, most of us would take a look. But who
have you got running now. Holy smokes, just look.

mookie2001

11-12-2007, 02:53 PM

ive never meet or even heard of any real person who supports obama for president

anyone?

Yonivore

11-12-2007, 03:12 PM

I have watched every candidate that has been on Meet the Press lately and none have wowed me with their appearances, including Obama.
There's only one Dick Cheney!

Yonivore

11-12-2007, 03:12 PM

ive never meet or even heard of any real person who supports obama for president

anyone?
Well, there's Michelle Obama. I'm assuming she's real. It is, of course, only an assumption.

mookie2001

11-12-2007, 03:15 PM

honestly I have never meet or heard of anyone in real life who supports obama or hillary

even on spurstalk??

yet these chodes are supposed to be frontrunners

George Gervin's Afro

11-12-2007, 03:19 PM

Of course we care about power, dummy. We want to be
able to appoint the new supremes. But we do care about
country as well. But you would never understand, I mean
after all. Conservatives are bad to the core. And that is
all you see. You dimms put someone up for election that
really cares, most of us would take a look. But who
have you got running now. Holy smokes, just look.

well mr hypocrite you attack dems for the exact same things the republicans are doing.

George Gervin's Afro

11-12-2007, 03:19 PM

There's only one Dick Cheney!

thankfully.. and this one is going straight to hell..

clambake

11-12-2007, 03:37 PM

well, we don't have to worry about our country being sold to china anymore.

Yonivore

11-12-2007, 03:44 PM

thankfully.. and this one is going straight to hell..
Wow, you've actually managed language where the phrase, "judge not, lest ye be judged," applies. Good going.

boutons_

11-12-2007, 03:45 PM

yoni doesn't judge the right wing, only the lefties. :lol

hell is too comfortable for dickhead and his bloody hands.

George Gervin's Afro

11-12-2007, 03:47 PM

Wow, you've actually managed language where the phrase, "judge not, let ye be judged," applies. Good going.

:rolleyes

Yonivore

11-12-2007, 03:48 PM

:rolleyes
Obviously.

George Gervin's Afro

11-12-2007, 03:49 PM

yoni doesn't judge the right wing, only the lefties. :lol

hell is too comfortable for dickhead and his bloody hands.

he acknowledges that he has a double standards. he probably tells his teens that it's ok to be hypocrites..

clambake

11-12-2007, 03:51 PM

could you imagine the outrage that yoni and xray would spew if a dimmocrap president had sold this country to china?

Yonivore

11-12-2007, 03:51 PM

he acknowledges that he has a double standards. he probably tells his teens that it's ok to be hypocrites..
No, what I don't do is judge people's eternal salvation. Short of that, it's all good.

George Gervin's Afro

11-12-2007, 03:53 PM

could you imagine the outrage that yoni and xray would spew if a dimmocrap president had sold this country to china?

They suffer from what I term 'selective outrage syndrome'.

Yonivore

11-12-2007, 03:54 PM

could you imagine the outrage that yoni and xray would spew if a dimmocrap president had sold this country to china?
Have you ever read "Year of the Rat?" Thanks to Bill and Hillary, the largest transfer of military technology to China took place in the eight years he was in office. Look at the scandals involving Bill and Hillary...a bunch of Chinese people.

I'm already outraged at a Democrat President that has sold this country to China. I'm trying to do my part to prevent the team from being in a position to do so again.

George Gervin's Afro

11-12-2007, 03:56 PM

Have you ever read "Year of the Rat?" Thanks to Bill and Hillary, the largest transfer of military technology to China took place in the four years he was in office. Look at the scandals involving Bill and Hillary...a bunch of Chinese people.

I'm already outraged at a Democrat President that has sold this country to China. I'm trying to do my part to prevent the team from being in a position to do so again.

military technology? or technology that COULD be used for military purposes? I have a feeling your not being intellectually honest again..

I guess it's wrong for the USA to arm potential enemies...

cough,cough Iraq..cough,cough..

Yonivore

11-12-2007, 03:59 PM

military technology? or technology that COULD be used for military purposes? I have a feeling your not being intellectually honest again..
Yeah, that explains China's exponential military buildup and technological military advances -- beginning in the late '90's early 00's.

I guess it's wrong for the USA to arm potential enemies...
Everyone is a potential enemy.

cough,cough Iraq..cough,cough..
You should consult a physician.

George Gervin's Afro

11-12-2007, 04:03 PM

Yeah, that explains China's exponential military buildup and technological military advances -- beginning in the late '90's early 00's.

Everyone is a potential enemy.

You should consult a physician.

so clinton didn't sell them military hardware.

clambake

11-12-2007, 04:03 PM

how does one resale something that bush has already sold? it would be a neat trick, though.

Yonivore

11-12-2007, 04:08 PM

so clinton didn't sell them military hardware.
No, worse. He sold them the intellectual know-how. They've got plenty of resources to build the hardware.

101A

11-12-2007, 04:33 PM

could you imagine the outrage that yoni and xray would spew if a dimmocrap president had sold this country to china?
A Democrat DID.

Who passed MFN? - That's what opened the floodgates.

And with all of the (ongoing) Clinton ties to China, or Chinese decendants, I would say it'll continue unabated under a new Clinton presidency.

clambake

11-12-2007, 04:36 PM

someone sold them knowledge and now someone has sold them our soul. i get it.

Spawn

11-12-2007, 06:48 PM

honestly I have never meet or heard of anyone in real life who supports obama or hillary

even on spurstalk??

yet these chodes are supposed to be frontrunners

That is because most people outside of this forum could give a rats ass about the elections of 08 right now. It is still over a year away so get back at me when it is March or April at the earliest.

Spawn

11-12-2007, 06:49 PM

Funny, it's the same reason he won't be president.

co-sign!!!

Wild Cobra

11-13-2007, 12:45 AM

Spawn

11-13-2007, 04:50 AM

I know I’ll get attacked for this, but I think senator Obama would do better in the democrat primaries if he was white. We can see time and again that the democrats are the race-phobic types. They are all kissy kissy with other cultures and races, but are phony about their liking of them.

I notice mention of Colon Powell. People like the man because he is a man of integrity. Black, white… It doesn’t matter. What I see killing all the black candidates is not that they aren’t what many of us call articulate, but rather, he doesn’t talk like he is from the ghetto. That is it. No Ebonics here…

I really like senator Obama as a person. I just don’t like his politics. I could never vote for him, but I would like to know him.

Does that make any sense?

You are absolutely right about Democrats and their lack of sincerity involving racial issues. But I would like to know which Black politicians talks in "ebonics" and "ghetto."

Mr. Peabody

11-13-2007, 06:55 AM

I know I’ll get attacked for this, but I think senator Obama would do better in the democrat primaries if he was white. We can see time and again that the democrats are the race-phobic types. They are all kissy kissy with other cultures and races, but are phony about their liking of them.

I notice mention of Colon Powell. People like the man because he is a man of integrity. Black, white… It doesn’t matter. What I see killing all the black candidates is not that they aren’t what many of us call articulate, but rather, he doesn’t talk like he is from the ghetto. That is it. No Ebonics here…

I really like senator Obama as a person. I just don’t like his politics. I could never vote for him, but I would like to know him.

Does that make any sense?

So you went from "The only reason he is even a candidate is because he's Black," to "He would be better off if he was white."? Those are two seemingly inconsistent statements. Also, I would submit to you that Obama is more articulate than most of the other candidates in the field. In other words it's not just that "he doesn't talk like he is from the ghetto," but rather that he is a better orator than most of the candidates I've seen.

Mr. Peabody

11-13-2007, 06:56 AM

ive never meet or even heard of any real person who supports obama for president

anyone?
I support Obama and Edwards for president.

xrayzebra

11-13-2007, 03:38 PM

Vote Xray for Prez. I'll give everyone a mil in the first month
and take mine and resign. How's that for a deal?

Mr. Peabody

11-13-2007, 03:49 PM

Vote Xray for Prez. I'll give everyone a mil in the first month
and take mine and resign. How's that for a deal?

I think the country would actually save money with you as president instead of Bush. :lol

Mr. Peabody

11-13-2007, 04:02 PM

You mean like when he brought up the quote from the DNC convention in '04 when Obama said, "there isn't much difference between me and Bush on Iraq"?

and Obama answered by saying, "Well, you know, we had two candidates who voted for entering the war, so what could I do?"

What he actually said regarding the two candidates running for president was that he didn't have access to the same Senate intelligence reports they did, but Russert didn't include the whole quote --

Russert misleadingly cropped Obama comment to claim he wasn't "firmly wedded against the war"

"In July of 2004, Barack Obama: 'I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. ... What would I have done? I don't know,' in terms of how you would have voted on the war."

Russert did not quote the very next sentence of Obama's statement, which was, "What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made" for authorizing the war.

The New York Times original article:

In a recent interview, he declined to criticize Senators Kerry and Edwards for voting to authorize the war, although he said he would not have done the same based on the information he had at the time.

''But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.''