The Patriots...

[ratm1221]

Are a fluke team. Patriots just got all the calls against Buffalo. Let's see them try that in the playoffs. They just got a couple of lucky touchdowns.

[dirk4mvp]

Randy Moss just pushes players off he's supposed to push off of before he catches the ball.

[Thunder Dan]

Call me evil but I would find it funny if Tom Brady gets hurt towards the end of the season and they get beat during their first playoff game. I don't have a problem with the hoodie, but I do have a problem with Rodney Roids and that douche bag Junior Seau. Remember the "retirement" speech he gave where he looked like he was up doing coke the whole night before? What douche bad retires than comes back a whole week later on another team? That shits stupid

[san antonio spurs]

I see ya'll understand it is a great privilege for you to see the best team EVER. :lol
Enjoyed it, cherish it, tell it to your kids and family.

[SAtown]

Are a fluke team. Patriots just got all the calls against Buffalo. Let's see them try that in the playoffs. They just got a couple of lucky touchdowns.

What the Fuck is with your sig? Damn Mavs fans have to show their man-crushes through their avatars and sigs...

[J.T.]

I already it would be poetic justice if Brady and Moss both got hurt before they broke any records.

[J.T.]

The Patriots better win this year because they're going to put Brady or Moss on the cover of Madden 09 and you can kiss that team good bye if they lose one of those guys.

[ratm1221]

What the Fuck is with your sig? Damn Mavs fans have to show their man-crushes through their avatars and sigs...

... got to give homophobes like you something to look at when you jerk off.

[Findog]

Patriotformers! More than meets the eye...

[O-Factor]

You know Im sick of all this Brady for MVP. The clear cut MVP of the league has been Moss. Look at Culpepper after Moss, he's shit....Now look at Brady before Moss, pretty good, but never put up these kinds of stats. Moss=MVP

[stretch]

You know Im sick of all this Brady for MVP. The clear cut MVP of the league has been Moss. Look at Culpepper after Moss, he's shit....Now look at Brady before Moss, pretty good, but never put up these kinds of stats. Moss=MVP
I agree with you 100%. I think that without Moss, they would be a whole level behind the Colts and Cowboys. The past 2 years, I felt they overachieved quite a bit, and that by this year, their age and slow defense would really start to show, but they found a way to hide it by getting Moss. I still think that teams like the Colts and Cowboys will exploit that if they meet in the playoffs, because they are both capable of slowing them down defensively, and scoring at the same rate they do as well. Both teams showed some clear defensive weaknesses that the Patriots had, and had Reggie Wayne simply caught that one pass in their earlier meeting, the game would have likely been over. I am not one bit impressed with the Patriots the way many other people are. They are a team made to beat the crap out of lesser teams, but other elite teams can play right there with them.

[monosylab1k]

their age and slow defense would really start to show, but they found a way to hide it by getting Moss.
I forgot about all those snaps Moss takes on defense each game.

[stretch]

I forgot about all those snaps Moss takes on defense each game.
Don't be an ignorant douche. His offense definitely takes pressure off the defense, much like the defense used to take pressure off their average offense in previous years. I've said it plenty of other times. Their offense scores so well, that other teams are FORCED to pass it downfield, just to keep up with them, thus making their offense very predictable and making it easier to get big plays such as interceptions, or forcing them into quick 3-and-outs taking up minimal time, which in turn puts their defense on the field even longer, making them more tired and even less capable of stopping the most dangerous offensive force in NFL history in Randy Moss. The guy is a TD just waiting to happen, and we cannot say that about any other player EVER.

[monosylab1k]

I couldn't care less if either of them win MVP, but to say that it's all Moss is garbage. Of course Moss is playing incredible, but alot of people now have the misconception that the Patriots are a home-run team who just chucks it deep alot and prays that Moss gets it.

The Patriots are second in the league in Time Of Possession per game. Brady is still the masterful game manager he's always been.

but I could care less about MVP, give it to Favre.

[monosylab1k]

Don't be an ignorant douche. His offense definitely takes pressure off the defense, much like the defense used to take pressure off their average offense in previous years. I've said it plenty of other times. Their offense scores so well, that other teams are FORCED to pass it downfield, just to keep up with them, thus making their offense very predictable and making it easier to get big plays such as interceptions, or forcing them into quick 3-and-outs taking up minimal time, which in turn puts their defense on the field even longer, making them more tired and even less capable of stopping the most dangerous offensive force in NFL history in Randy Moss. The guy is a TD just waiting to happen, and we cannot say that about any other player EVER.
The defense prevents the other team from scoring more than them. They do their job just fine.

[stretch]

The defense prevents the other team from scoring more than them. They do their job just fine.
They clearly can't stop an injured Colts team and the Cowboys consistently though.

[monosylab1k]

They clearly can't stop an injured Colts team and the Cowboys consistently though.
They clearly got W's for both of those games too.

[stretch]

I couldn't care less if either of them win MVP, but to say that it's all Moss is garbage. Of course Moss is playing incredible, but alot of people now have the misconception that the Patriots are a home-run team who just chucks it deep alot and prays that Moss gets it.

The Patriots are second in the league in Time Of Possession per game. Brady is still the masterful game manager he's always been.

but I could care less about MVP, give it to Favre.
Moss also draws the attention of the entire defense, making it easier for average players like Wes Welker to get open underneath and to sustain drives. See Nate Burleson.

[stretch]

They clearly got W's for both of those games too.
They also clearly got manhandled in the second half of the AFC championship game this past year, in a game that they had no business being in, in the first place.

[san antonio spurs]

They also clearly got manhandled in the second half of the AFC championship game this past year, in a game that they had no business being in, in the first place.

are you speaking out of hate you have a certain rationale??

[TheSanityAnnex]

*

[stretch]

are you speaking out of hate you have a certain rationale??
I do hate the Pats, but I have respect for them as well. But let's all be honest, they really should not have beat the Chargers. They got really lucky that somehow the guy fumbled that interception that had basically sealed the game, as well as numerous other bizzare penalties. The Patriots were VERY fortunate that they won it.

[ratm1221]

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:lol

[bostonguy]

They clearly can't stop an injured Colts team and the Cowboys consistently though.

The Cowboys? They arent even that good. Their D got exposed against the Skins but their O is good enough to maybe land them in the superbowl due to the nfc being so bad. They cant pressure the qb all that well and their secondary is decent at best. The Cowboy arent a true elite and they arent good enough to win it all this season either. A healthy Colts team I will admit is the only team who can make it close with the Pats but even that isnt enough to beat them.

[slayermin]

Moss should get the lionshare of the credit but Welker is the reason Brady is able to control the clock. Their offense wouldn't be as unstoppable if they lost either Welker or Moss.

[san antonio spurs]

I do hate the Pats, but I have respect for them as well. But let's all be honest, they really should not have beat the Chargers. They got really lucky that somehow the guy fumbled that interception that had basically sealed the game, as well as numerous other bizzare penalties. The Patriots were VERY fortunate that they won it.
you obviously haven't been watching the game for a long time. What you call lucky fumble or bizarre penalties (they were all legit) is what makes this game great and even all sports. There are no champions without good bounces or few breaks.
That's why we watch sports. Anything can happen. If whoever was supposed to win was winning, why would we even care??
what happened in san diego last year is what happens in all sports, to all champions(even though we didn't win).

[monosylab1k]

in stretch's world, the NFL is a league where hard work, determination, and skill are the reasons why a team wins. Unless they're the Patriots. Then it's just because they get every lucky call and play ever.

[monosylab1k]

stretch actually believes that New England won the '01-'02 Super Bowl because the government & NFL ruling authorities conspired for the Patriots to win immediately after 9/11. it's true, ask him.

[johnsmith]

I do hate the Pats, but I have respect for them as well. But let's all be honest, they really should not have beat the Chargers. They got really lucky that somehow the guy fumbled that interception that had basically sealed the game, as well as numerous other bizzare penalties. The Patriots were VERY fortunate that they won it.


Oh, you mean the same last year that had the Chargers at 14-2? Or the Ravens at 13-3? Or the Saints at 13-3?

WTF does last year have to do with how well the Pats are performing this year?

[johnsmith]

in stretch's world, the NFL is a league where hard work, determination, and skill are the reasons why a team wins. Unless they're the Patriots. Then it's just because they get every lucky call and play ever.

That's actually a good point. He is constantly measuring individual players by wins and losses but a team that is winning is just fluke luck.

Seems backwards to me.

[Yuixafun]

If the Pats go undefeated it will be amazing.

Even if you don't like them, that's a feat worthy of respect.

What the Patriots are doing has the country buzzing and people will follow weekly the events that transpire. So I guess everyone is a winner in that regard.

But my gut says this NFL story will have a suprise ending.

And the moral will be 'karma.'

[TheSanityAnnex]

If the Pats go undefeated it will be amazing.

Even if you don't like them, that's a feat worthy of respect.


*

[Obstructed_View]

The Patriots are a great team. If they go undefeated, it'll be a great accomplishment. If it serves no other purpose other than to shut up those assholes from that overrated '72 Dolphins team, I'm all for it.

That said, I'm not a believer that their statistical records will mean much of anything from a historical perspective. Since nobody, maybe in the history of sports, has ever actually worked this hard to run the score up on teams and pad their stats, it's always going to hang over these records. Bad sportsmanship aside, throwing on fourth down with a 40 point lead is as artificial as Ricky Davis calling timeout to try for a triple double, and we all know it.

While this is a historic run, the lack of historical perspective and hubris displayed by this team is just staggering. It's ironic that in response to getting busted for cheating, that they then abandon any sense of sportsmanship or class, as though a couple dozen fourth quarter touchdowns are going to change the perception of a team that won three super bowls by a combined nine points. The only thing it really assures is the loss of any likeability factor they might have had.

Fortunately for me, as a Spurs fan, I never have to hear anyone compare the Spurs to the Patriots again, since Pop berated and benched the starting center for hitting a three pointer in garbage time of a playoff blowout.

At some point that dislike by the rest of the league could turn into something ugly. Karma's a funny thing, and the clock is always ticking on how long you can dodge it. Should something unfortunate or even intentional happen to suddenly derail this train, there will be those that won't be surprised to see it happen.

[NBA Junkie]

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I'd take this a little more seriously if they weren't spanking teams by 20+ points the majority of the time.

Just ask the Chargers. I bet they felt that asterisk being branded into their asses after that week 2 beating they took at the hands of the Pats.

[Obstructed_View]

I'd take this a little more seriously if they weren't spanking teams by 20+ points the majority of the time.

Just ask the Chargers. I bet they felt that asterisk being branded into their asses after that week 2 beating they took at the hands of the Pats.
I agree. You can hang an asterisk on their stats, but there's no doubting the legitimacy of their wins. I really think they are beatable, and it would be satisfying to see them go undefeated and then lose in the playoffs. See 2006-2007 Dallas Mavericks.

[florige]

15-1 the Pats night go after being on a rampage once the Ravens beat them next Monday. We are a better team than our record shows. Our coach is just a moron who didn't know when to pull the plug on a once great, but now declining QB in McNair. I'm telling you there in NO WAY that NE puts up those kind of point against our defense. Actually I think we win that game. And to take a page out of Dirks book for wild predictions... :elephant :elephant :elephant

[Obstructed_View]

Giving up 30 to the Browns (in regulation) just means the Ravens are the second worst defense in the division, right? ;)

[johnsmith]

The Patriots are a great team. If they go undefeated, it'll be a great accomplishment. If it serves no other purpose other than to shut up those assholes from that overrated '72 Dolphins team, I'm all for it.


That's my problem with this season, trying to figure out who I dislike more, the Pats, or those rat bastards from the 72 dolphins.

[florige]

Giving up 30 to the Browns (in regulation) just means the Ravens are the second worst defense in the division, right? ;)


Man the Browns are good this year. Not saying that they are better than NE, but they are a good football team. You would have been better off saying Cincinatti or something. I don't know though, even our defense looked lost today. It might be a long night on Monday. :depressed

[dirk4mvp]

Goddamn. They scored already. Well, game's over. I thought the Eagles had a shot too.

[TheSanityAnnex]

15-1 the Pats night go after being on a rampage once the Ravens beat them next Monday. We are a better team than our record shows. Our coach is just a moron who didn't know when to pull the plug on a once great, but now declining QB in McNair. I'm telling you there in NO WAY that NE puts up those kind of point against our defense. Actually I think we win that game. And to take a page out of Dirks book for wild predictions... :elephant :elephant :elephant:lmao

[SAtown]

It begins...

Asante Samuel is a fuckin beast

[slayermin]

...are great at padding their stats.

[SAtown]

Tie game bitches

[slayermin]

I hope Jimmie Johnson blitzes Brady every fucking down.

[florige]

:lmao


We were out of form today, uh forget it.... :depressed

[slayermin]

Brady took a nice hit.

[dirk4mvp]

Brady took a nice hit.


yeah that was a pretty good pop.

[ratm1221]

Never thought I would catch myself cheering for the Eagles.

[Tippecanoe]

props to the eagles, they're playing us really aggressive and its working

[slayermin]

Well at least the Eagles look willing to play within 22 points.

[ratm1221]

Eagles are a little easier to like without McNabb on the field. I can't stand that asshole.

[dirk4mvp]

Weee :downspin:

When's the last time the Pats trailed before this? The Indy game?

[Tippecanoe]

oh crap. i dont believe it.

this eagles team is underrated

[Hank the Tank]

could this be the day the pats lose?

......nah..... i wont believe it till the clock is at 0:00.

[slayermin]

Holy chit!

[florige]

Eagles are a little easier to like without McNabb on the field. I can't stand that asshole.


They are playing like a whole different team too!

[slayermin]

Nice hit on Welker. You have to make him pay for those catches in the middle.

[Hank the Tank]

i can smell an upset.....unless brady plays the role of the heartbreaker yet again.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

I just want to see Brady get smacked.

[SAtown]

Eagles need to capitalize on their possessions and start runnin up the fuckin score

[Hank the Tank]

cant for once the 4th qtr tom brady be a no show? why are they fuckin movin the ball now.

[J.T.]

You would think they would stop giving up that same play to Welker each time the Pats are in 3rd and long. Welker's a little bitch, I hope he gets injured.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Come on Brady throw a pick here.

[spursRgay]

the eagles would have a much easier time pulling off this upset if someone could stop welker. they're shutting down moss.

[dirk4mvp]

the eagles would have a much easier time pulling off this upset if someone could stop welker. they're shutting down moss.


I don't get how it's so hard to stop Welker in the first place.

[Kriz-Maxima]

COme on guys dont jinx em...but fucking lose patriots, just lose.

[spursRgay]

You would think they would stop giving up that same play to Welker each time the Pats are in 3rd and long. Welker's a little bitch, I hope he gets injured.

i hate the pats, but how can you hate little welker? he's probably the only one on the pats that i like. im biased though because he's a texas boy.

[scott]

As Mack Brown and Chrissy Simms discovered back in 2002... THERE IS NO STOPPING WES WELKER!!!

[scott]

i hate the pats, but how can you hate little welker? he's probably the only one on the pats that i like. im biased though because he's a texas boy.

Actually, little Wesley is an Oklahoma boy who happened to go to Tech.

[spursRgay]

Actually, little Wesley is an Oklahoma boy who happened to go to Tech.

that's good enough for me

[resistanze]

This is a damn good game! Watching the Pats work for it is actually entertaining.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Macscab must be pissed.

[spursRgay]

A-j! A-j! A-j!

[spursRgay]

Ahhhhh Fuck!!!!!!!!!

[dirk4mvp]

shit

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Oh Shit why?

[SAtown]

Asante Samuel is a fuckin beast

[spursRgay]

what a dumb throw

[Flight3107]

No need to throw that deep

[Vinnie_Johnson]

This the game right here

[SAtown]

Huge false start call on NE.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Crap that's game.

[Hank the Tank]

will they ever lose??? steelers perhaps??? ravens??? ha! Giants?? nevermind, eli's there.....ARGG!!

[spursRgay]

hopefully pittsburgh can use what philly did and beat them in a couple weeks. baltimore isn't going to do it next week.

[slayermin]

Oh, now they decide to run the ball.

[Tippecanoe]

major props to the philadelphia eagles :tu

i will never say anything bad about them ever again

[spursRgay]

after this game i go back to hating the eagles

[SAtown]

gay

[dirk4mvp]

super gay

[resistanze]

Fucked up his QB rating in the past 3 mins :lol

[slayermin]

So when the game is really on the line, they run the ball to run out the clock.

Whatever. The Pats are overrated and stat padders.

[ducks]

freely>mcnabb

[SAtown]

omg, the hoodie actually shows respect for the opposing coach (Reed here) ???

[TheSanityAnnex]

Freely carried the team and then proceeded to blow it. Sucks for him. Don't know what he was thinking with that pass.

[ducks]

well eagles showed how you can beat them
that is the blue print

[ducks]

Freely carried the team and then proceeded to blow it. Sucks for him. Don't know what he was thinking with that pass.
terrible play call

the play call was not on him

ps rivers looked awesome today

[slayermin]

Freely carried the team and then proceeded to blow it. Sucks for him. Don't know what he was thinking with that pass.

See Jason Campbell.

(Hopefully Campbell will only get better from his shortcomings.)

[TampaDude]

Wow...the Eagles really took it to the Pats...I never expected it to be that close...

[TampaDude]

See Jason Campbell.

(Hopefully Campbell will only get better from his shortcomings.)

Tell me about it...JC pulled the same crap last week against Dallas, too.

[ducks]

campbell will

steelers old coach really likes jason

[TheSanityAnnex]

terrible play call

the play call was not on him

It was a terrible throw, it had nothing to do with the play call. That ball was 5-7 yards overthrown.

[slayermin]

campbell will

steelers old coach really likes jason

If Cowher takes over when Joe Gibbs is ready to retire, I'm all for it.

[TampaDude]

"They are who we thought they were...and we let 'em off the hook!" :lol

[J.T.]

The only good thing about this game other than the Eagles shutting down Moss when no one else could is that Roosevelt Colvin and Randall Gay were injured. I used to be above wishing injuries on players but I will make an exception for every man on the New England Patriots payroll.

Here's to Tom Brady breaking his arm after he throws his 48th TD. :toast

[slayermin]

The only good thing about this game other than the Eagles shutting down Moss when no one else could is that Roosevelt Colvin and Randall Gay were injured. I used to be above wishing injuries on players but I will make an exception for every man on the New England Patriots payroll.

Here's to Tom Brady breaking his arm after he throws his 48th TD. :toast

That's fucked up.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The only person I'd like to see hurt on the Patriots is Bellicheck.

[slayermin]

The only person I'd like to see hurt on the Patriots is Bellicheck.

Nothing fatal or permanent, I hope.

[TheSanityAnnex]

A Joe Paterno type injury would be fine with me.

[slayermin]

A Joe Paterno type injury would be fine with me.

:lol

I'm down with that.

[J.T.]

That's fucked up.


The Patriots are a bunch of evil sons of bitches. Their players are pompous, their coach is an asshole, what more reason do you need to hate them. I'm don't skirting the lines of being a good fan and denying that I'd love to see Tom Brady get his fucking arm snapped in half on the field.

[slayermin]

The Patriots are a bunch of evil sons of bitches. Their players are pompous, their coach is an asshole, what more reason do you need to hate them. I'm don't skirting the lines of being a good fan and denying that I'd love to see Tom Brady get his fucking arm snapped in half on the field.

I hate the Pats and I want Brady to take some serious hits. And in the course of taking a hit he breaks his arm, I won't feel sorry for him. But I'm not hoping for it. Or condone players doing it intentionally.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm don't skirting the lines of being a good fan and denying that I'd love to see Tom Brady get his fucking arm snapped in half on the field.I told my girl that tonight and she said, "well what if you wishing injury on Brady ends up hurting your favorite Charger".
My reply, "I'll miss Norv Turner too babe."

[slayermin]

:lol

[J.T.]

I hate the Pats and I want Brady to take some serious hits. And in the course of taking a hit he breaks his arm, I won't feel sorry for him. But I'm not hoping for it. Or condone players doing it intentionally.

This post should read as follows:

I agree with everything JT says but I won't say it because I'm scared of being crucified by people I don't know on the internet.

[slayermin]

This post should read as follows:

I agree with everything JT says but I won't say it because I'm scared of being crucified by people I don't know on the internet.

No. I think there is a line between playing hard and trying to injure someone.

[dirk4mvp]

No. I think there is a line between playing hard and trying to injure someone.


See Bruce Bowen


Oh shit did I just say that?


Eagles gave it a good shot. I wonder how the game would have played out if Mcnabb had played.

[spursRgay]

See Bruce Bowen


Oh shit did I just say that?


Eagles gave it a good shot. I wonder how the game would have played out if Mcnabb had played.

:lmao

[J.T.]

No. I think there is a line between playing hard and trying to injure someone.

Did I say I wanted defensive players to intentionally line up and blitz his ass with the goal of shattering his arm? No, I did not. I just said I'd like to see Brady's arm snapped in two on the field. Thanks for misinterpreting me on that one.

I just want to see Brady carted off the field with a broken arm.

[spursRgay]

eagles would have won if they played my boy kevin kolb;)

[slayermin]

Did I say I wanted defensive players to intentionally line up and blitz his ass with the goal of shattering his arm? No, I did not. I just said I'd like to see Brady's arm snapped in two on the field. Thanks for misinterpreting me on that one.

I just want to see Brady carted off the field with a broken arm.

You got me. But like I said, I am not hoping for injuries.

[BeerIsGood!]

Fuck wishing for injuries just because the Colts can't stay healthy and suck ass right now. If you can't beat them on the field, they deserve to win. Be a man and not a bitch wishing for an out just so your team can have an easy time.

[J.T.]

Fuck wishing for injuries just because the Colts can't stay healthy and suck ass right now. If you can't beat them on the field, they deserve to win. Be a man and not a bitch wishing for an out just so your team can have an easy time.


Lol @ you for thinking I want Tom Brady to go down so the Colts will have an easier time. I think I am on record multiple times saying I want Brady to go down so he won't break all of the single season records.

Double whammy for putting me on trial here as if you wouldn't jizz in your shorts if the Spurs and Mavs were playing and Dirk fell down and started grabbing his leg. But if your idiocy wasn't already apparent by the comments "the Colts suck ass right now," it certainly is now. Fucking retard.

[PixelPusher]

See Bruce Bowen


Oh shit did I just say that?

:lol Are Tae Kwan Do kicks to the chest illegal in the NFL?

[BeerIsGood!]

Lol @ you for thinking I want Tom Brady to go down so the Colts will have an easier time. I think I am on record multiple times saying I want Brady to go down so he won't break all of the single season records.

Double whammy for putting me on trial here as if you wouldn't jizz in your shorts if the Spurs and Mavs were playing and Dirk fell down and started grabbing his leg. But if your idiocy wasn't already apparent by the comments "the Colts suck ass right now," it certainly is now. Fucking retard.

1) Oh well, shit - I was completely wrong. You don't want Brady to go down so the Colts can have a better chance at repeating, you want him to go down to preserve records! Who gives a fuck?

2) I don't want the Mavs, Suns, Rockets, or anyone else to lose players if they play the Spurs. I want a good series. I want to watch a champion beat the best, and I'm not going to applaud injuries. If you actually wish harm on someone for sports, you need to step back and chill the fuck out. You're taking it too seriously.

3) The Colts got handled by the Pats at home, followed it up by getting beaten by a horrible Chargers team in a horribly ugly game, and barely edged the shitty as hell Chiefs in another horribly played game. It's very safe to say they suck compared to the best teams in the league right now, and a win over one of the worst teams in the league on Thanksgiving doesn't change that. I know they're having a tough time with injuries, but if they played any of the top 3 or 4 teams in the NFL right now they'd get handled.

If you want to dispute the shit I spout off then go ahead, but no reason to make the personal attacks. With that said, go fuck yourself.

[J.T.]

If the Colts losing to the Pats by 4 points is getting "handled," I'd hate to know what the Cowboys loss to the Pats is classified as.

[BeerIsGood!]

If the Colts losing to the Pats by 4 points is getting "handled," I'd hate to know what the Cowboys loss to the Pats is classified as.

Getting handled. The Pats ate our lunch and slapped our mothers. Hopefully the Cowboys having a healthy secondary and healthy D line would make a difference in a rematch, but who knows.

[J.T.]

I could make the same excuses for the two Colts losses, but instead I'll blame Manning for turning it over with the game on the line. I could blame him for his six TOs in the Chargers game, but that loss belongs to Dungy and Vinatieri. Despite their mountain of injuries, the Colts are two or three plays away from being 11-0, and with Ugoh, Harrison and Diem coming back next week I'm sure they will start rocking the league again.

[T Park]

Never thought I'd see the day someone wished another team's QB's arm to snap.

And you call the Patriots classless?

[J.T.]

Never thought I'd see the day someone wished another team's QB's arm to snap.

And you call the Patriots classless?

And the can of worms officially opens. If you think your opinion, of all people's, is going to make that still small voice inside of me take back what I said, you're wrong. It's no secret that I hate the Patriots. Now it's no secret just how much I hate them.

Try not to lose too much sleep over my lack of sports etiquette. I know I won't.

[johngateswhiteley]

...some of you are ridiculous. this Patriots team is the best football team i have ever seen, and i fully expect them to go 16-0. so they had one close game that shouldn't have been...big deal, they won...thats all that matters. the steelers and giants aren't going to beat this team. why are some of you such haters? with the exception of BB, this Pats team reminds a lot of the Spurs.

[dimsah]

... this Pats team reminds a lot of the Spurs.
Please elaborate because the only thing these two franchises have in common is winning.

[dirk4mvp]

...some of you are ridiculous. this Patriots team is the best football team i have ever seen, and i fully expect them to go 16-0. so they had one close game that shouldn't have been...big deal, they won...thats all that matters. the steelers and giants aren't going to beat this team. why are some of you such haters? with the exception of BB, this Pats team reminds a lot of the Spurs.

Why do you say this? Do the Pats have any overrated USC players?

[scott]

...some of you are ridiculous. this Patriots team is the best football team i have ever seen, and i fully expect them to go 16-0. so they had one close game that shouldn't have been...big deal, they won...thats all that matters. the steelers and giants aren't going to beat this team. why are some of you such haters? with the exception of BB, this Pats team reminds a lot of the Spurs.

Yeah, doesn't everyone remember the time that Bruce Bowen got busted for taking HGH?

[johnsmith]

Never thought I'd see the day someone wished another team's QB's arm to snap.

And you call the Patriots classless?



STFU you tubby bitch.

[StylisticS]

...some of you are ridiculous. this Patriots team is the best football team i have ever seen, and i fully expect them to go 16-0. so they had one close game that shouldn't have been...big deal, they won...thats all that matters. the steelers and giants aren't going to beat this team. why are some of you such haters? with the exception of BB, this Pats team reminds a lot of the Spurs.

The 1977 Steelers
The 1985 Bears
The 1992 and 1993 Cowboys
The 1989 Niners

All of these teams are better than this version of the 2007 Patriots. They didn't play in the salary cap, free agency, heavily expansion era league like the Patriots do now. What the Pats are doing is impressive. But the best ever? Hell no. And don't bother posting numbers. They are irrelevant. Considering how the game has changed so much to make the offense so much successful and how the rules changed as well.

[NBA Junkie]

Eagles gave it a good shot. I wonder how the game would have played out if Mcnabb had played.

The Eagles would have lost by 30.

[SpursFanFirst]

I could make the same excuses for the two Colts losses, but instead I'll blame Manning for turning it over with the game on the line. I could blame him for his six TOs in the Chargers game, but that loss belongs to Dungy and Vinatieri. Despite their mountain of injuries, the Colts are two or three plays away from being 11-0, and with Ugoh, Harrison and Diem coming back next week I'm sure they will start rocking the league again.

Where did you read that?

[J.T.]

Where did you read that?

Colts radio show said all three are probable for next week and that there is no longer any pain in Marvin's knee. And that Marvin has been targeting next week's game for his return for several weeks now.

[SpursFanFirst]

Colts radio show said all three are probable for next week and that there is no longer any pain in Marvin's knee. And that Marvin has been targeting next week's game for his return for several weeks now.


Ah....very nice! I'm glad Marvin's knee is better. I hadn't heard that. But I'll keep my ears open around work too.

[dirk4mvp]

Ryan Diem can keep his ass out if he wants too. That's a couple of false starts I don't need to see every game.

[SpursFanFirst]

Ryan Diem can keep his ass out if he wants too. That's a couple of false starts I don't need to see every game.

That's funny...I say that all the time!

[SpursFanFirst]

Colts radio show said all three are probable for next week and that there is no longer any pain in Marvin's knee. And that Marvin has been targeting next week's game for his return for several weeks now.

So I asked one of the sports guys that I work with, and he said that Marvin hasn't practiced, nor has he actually consulted with his doctor. Basically, the radio guys are just speculating. It's too soon to know what the Colts will do this weekend.

[slayermin]

What kind of turf are they using in Gillette stadium?

The turf I saw last night looked synthetic. If that's the case, maybe the Colts will have a better than average chance against them in January. But losing Freeney hurts.

[san antonio spurs]

The only good thing about this game other than the Eagles shutting down Moss when no one else could is that Roosevelt Colvin and Randall Gay were injured. I used to be above wishing injuries on players but I will make an exception for every man on the New England Patriots payroll.

Here's to Tom Brady breaking his arm after he throws his 48th TD. :toast

I think we should thank you because you just reversed karma. Brady won't be hurt.
On the other hand, you should grow up.
stop being a crybaby :lol

[san antonio spurs]

What kind of turf are they using in Gillette stadium?

The turf I saw last night looked synthetic. If that's the case, maybe the Colts will have a better than average chance against them in January. But losing Freeney hurts.
it's artificial turf

[J.T.]

I think we should thank you because you just reversed karma. Brady won't be hurt.
On the other hand, you should grow up.
stop being a crybaby :lol

I don't know how what I said could be equated to whining, or how the comments I made will enact a reverse karma since thousands of people have probably said the exact same shit, or at least thought about it. Some probably on this very forum, I just broke the ice first.

[J.T.]

So I asked one of the sports guys that I work with, and he said that Marvin hasn't practiced, nor has he actually consulted with his doctor. Basically, the radio guys are just speculating. It's too soon to know what the Colts will do this weekend.

Well, Bob Lamey said on the radio that he got that info from Polian, so I assumed I could take that to the bank. But who knows, a lot of people have said Marvin will never be the same again if he comes back, that he won't come back at all, etc. But I put a lot more stock in something that reportedly came from Polian's mouth over anything ESPN or SI have to say about the Marvin situation.

[SpursFanFirst]

Well, Bob Lamey said on the radio that he got that info from Polian, so I assumed I could take that to the bank. But who knows, a lot of people have said Marvin will never be the same again if he comes back, that he won't come back at all, etc. But I put a lot more stock in something that reportedly came from Polian's mouth over anything ESPN or SI have to say about the Marvin situation.

That's cool..I hope you're right.
I didn't get that info from ESPN or SI though. I work at an Indy tv station, and I asked our sports guy. But that doesn't necessarily mean they have the best information either. Just thought I'd pass it on.

[monosylab1k]

Rosevelt Colvin on IR.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3130490

This is a HUGE blow to an already shaky NE defense.

[J.T.]

Rosevelt Colvin on IR.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3130490

This is a HUGE blow to an already shaky NE defense.

I don't get how you can call the Pats D "shaky" when they have shut down teams all year. The only teams that came close to beating the Pats are the Colts and Eagles, and they probably would have pulled it off if Manning and Feeley didn't choke in the clutch, but on the whole the Pats D has been pretty good all year.

[slayermin]

Rosevelt Colvin on IR.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3130490

This is a HUGE blow to an already shaky NE defense.

Well I guess that means less plays on offense for Vrabel and Seau.

[J.T.]

That's cool..I hope you're right.
I didn't get that info from ESPN or SI though. I work at an Indy tv station, and I asked our sports guy. But that doesn't necessarily mean they have the best information either. Just thought I'd pass it on.

Oh, I wasn't insinuating that you got your info from ESPN or SI. I kind of figured that you worked for local media since you said you talked the sports guy, etc. The thing with Marvin's injury is that it could be easily aggravated if he comes back before he's 100%. If he gets hit in the same knee again, we'd be in the same place we are now. That's why I think they have been holding him out this long. I know Dungy isn't the kind of coach to gamble with wins and losses, but like last year with the run defense (which I still contend was largely a charade given the light switch type of change between Week 17 and the Wild Card), I think they have been screwing around with the injury report in the same way Brady has thrown 39 touchdowns this year whilst being listed as probable with a shoulder injury in every game. I could be wrong and probably am, but I wouldn't put it past the Colts to do it.

[21GoSpursGo9]

Question...where is Chad Jackson and Kelly Washington? Tory James?

[SpursFanFirst]

Oh, I wasn't insinuating that you got your info from ESPN or SI. I kind of figured that you worked for local media since you said you talked the sports guy, etc. The thing with Marvin's injury is that it could be easily aggravated if he comes back before he's 100%. If he gets hit in the same knee again, we'd be in the same place we are now. That's why I think they have been holding him out this long. I know Dungy isn't the kind of coach to gamble with wins and losses, but like last year with the run defense (which I still contend was largely a charade given the light switch type of change between Week 17 and the Wild Card), I think they have been screwing around with the injury report in the same way Brady has thrown 39 touchdowns this year whilst being listed as probable with a shoulder injury in every game. I could be wrong and probably am, but I wouldn't put it past the Colts to do it.

I wonder if they'll bring him back for this game, but then rest him again until the playoffs. I still haven't heard anything, but the guy that I'd trust the most from that department is out in Hollywood covering "Dancing with the Stars," soooo.... :lol

[J.T.]

I wonder if they'll bring him back for this game, but then rest him again until the playoffs. I still haven't heard anything, but the guy that I'd trust the most from that department is out in Hollywood covering "Dancing with the Stars," soooo.... :lol

It's hard to gauge what the Colts will do with Marvin. Obviously you want him to be healthy in the playoffs, and the Colts have a pretty easy schedule remaining after the Jacksonville game. I think they will ease him back into the game. He definitely will not play every down if he does indeed go on Sunday. We'll see if he's ready or not on Sunday, but the Colts have consistently been saying that they wanted to wait till after the stretch they just finished (Week 7-12) to bring him back, since it was the toughest part of the schedule. As it has been all year, we'll have to wait and see.

[monosylab1k]

I don't get how you can call the Pats D "shaky" when they have shut down teams all year. The only teams that came close to beating the Pats are the Colts and Eagles, and they probably would have pulled it off if Manning and Feeley didn't choke in the clutch, but on the whole the Pats D has been pretty good all year.
Any team with Ellis Hobbs starting at CB has a shaky defense.

Also, the LB crew is very slow, Colvin was one of our two speed LB's, but Adalius Thomas has been damn near nonexistent this year. In the AFC Championship Game last year, Indy became unstoppable on offense as soon as Colvin got hurt, because nobody else on the Patriots could cover a TE.

[Findog]

It's hard to gauge what the Colts will do with Marvin. Obviously you want him to be healthy in the playoffs, and the Colts have a pretty easy schedule remaining after the Jacksonville game. I think they will ease him back into the game. He definitely will not play every down if he does indeed go on Sunday. We'll see if he's ready or not on Sunday, but the Colts have consistently been saying that they wanted to wait till after the stretch they just finished (Week 7-12) to bring him back, since it was the toughest part of the schedule. As it has been all year, we'll have to wait and see.

FUCK YOU MARVIN HARRISON.

That's my new fantasy team name.

I also considered EAT A BIG BAG OF DICKS, RUDI JOHNSON.

[monosylab1k]

Question...where is Chad Jackson and Kelly Washington? Tory James?
Kelly Washington is an absolute beast on special teams. Also, from what I hear, he's been really valuable in practice. He's not getting alot of offensive snaps, but he's doing alot of the dirty work for us and has been an incredible addition to the team.

Chad Jackson just got onto the roster after being hurt all year, but he's 5th on the WR depth chart. Belichick has been very positive about Jackson, he's a guy that they still have high hopes for. He just can't get on the field right now with everybody in front of him.

I think Tory James got cut.

[J.T.]

FUCK YOU MARVIN HARRISON.

That's my new fantasy team name.

I also considered EAT A BIG BAG OF DICKS, RUDI JOHNSON.

I'm surprised I haven't cut Harrison from my fantasy roster. I guess I'm holding out on him coming back, and my WR corp of Moss, Crayton, and Brandon Marshall has been decent enough to keep me at the top of my league.

[mikejones99]

Best team ever

[SpursFanFirst]

I'm surprised I haven't cut Harrison from my fantasy roster. I guess I'm holding out on him coming back, and my WR corp of Moss, Crayton, and Brandon Marshall has been decent enough to keep me at the top of my league.

JT...something to think about...we're running sound bites from Dungy that it looks as though Harrison isn't coming back.
I asked our sports guy if maybe the Colts are just playing with the Jags, and he said no...he REALLY thinks Harrison is done.
Take it however you want, but that's the thought going around here. (different sports guy, by the way)

[J.T.]

JT...something to think about...we're running sound bites from Dungy that it looks as though Harrison isn't coming back.
I asked our sports guy if maybe the Colts are just playing with the Jags, and he said no...he REALLY thinks Harrison is done.
Take it however you want, but that's the thought going around here. (different sports guy, by the way)

Done for the season or done for his career? I've laughed in the face of everyone who's said he's done forever because of a knee bruise...and honestly I still think that isn't possible.

[SpursFanFirst]

Done for the season or done for his career? I've laughed in the face of everyone who's said he's done forever because of a knee bruise...and honestly I still think that isn't possible.

Well, he (our guy) made it sound like he (sports guy) thinks Harrison is done permanently, but that's just his (sports guy's) speculation...I only added that part because that's the impression he got. He thinks the injury is much more than the Colts are letting on. (This isn't on-the-record or anything...just his own opinion.)

By this point, Harrison has talked with his doctor, and practices have resumed.
The word around here is that he isn't playing this week...and, as always, you can only really go week-to-week in these situations.

But again, there's always that chance they're messing with the Jags too...but it doesn't seem that way. That's why I said, take that how you want...it's all a guessing game for us anyway.

[J.T.]

I'm beginning to think they'll just hold him out until the playoffs, or at least another couple of games. They really don't need him for any of the remaining games since they shut down the Jags the last time they played, and Marvin only played a few snaps of that game. Granted, Garrard left that game early and has been playing well since he returned, but I think they are going to include Gonzalez more in the receiving game to get him some experience.

I really can't see a knee bruise ending the career of one of the best WRs ever.

[SpursFanFirst]

I'm beginning to think they'll just hold him out until the playoffs, or at least another couple of games. They really don't need him for any of the remaining games since they shut down the Jags the last time they played, and Marvin only played a few snaps of that game. Granted, Garrard left that game early and has been playing well since he returned, but I think they are going to include Gonzalez more in the receiving game to get him some experience.

I really can't see a knee bruise ending the career of one of the best WRs ever.


Yeah, nothing is certain at this point, and the only reason why I brought this up is because you were talking about your fantasy picks and whatnot.

Nothing said here was to be taken as gospel, but...the soundbites from Dungy talking about this particular weekend are running, and our guys think he's telling the truth.
We'll worry about next week, next week.

[J.T.]

Yeah, nothing is certain at this point, and the only reason why I brought this up is because you were talking about your fantasy picks and whatnot.

Yeah, that said... I picked up Gonzo and sent Marvin back to the bench. Here's to hoping he finally catches his first NFL touchdown this weekend. :toast

[SpursFanFirst]

Yeah, that said... I picked up Gonzo and sent Marvin back to the bench. Here's to hoping he finally catches his first NFL touchdown this weekend. :toast

Good luck! :toast

[dirk4mvp]

Best team ever


this also coming from the guy who says Stephen Jackson has a chance at making the HOF.

[johngateswhiteley]

The 1977 Steelers
The 1985 Bears
The 1992 and 1993 Cowboys
The 1989 Niners

All of these teams are better than this version of the 2007 Patriots. They didn't play in the salary cap, free agency, heavily expansion era league like the Patriots do now. What the Pats are doing is impressive. But the best ever? Hell no. And don't bother posting numbers. They are irrelevant. Considering how the game has changed so much to make the offense so much successful and how the rules changed as well.

...reading comprehension? i said it was the best team i had ever seen, and they are. i never saw the 1977 steelers, 1985 bears, or the 1989 niners. i saw those cowboys teams and, imo, this Pats team is better.

i actually think its harder to put together dynasty and continuously successful teams nowadays...just my opinion.

[samikeyp]

...reading comprehension? i said it was the best team i had ever seen, and they are. i never saw the 1977 steelers, 1985 bears, or the 1989 niners. i saw those cowboys teams and, imo, this Pats team is better.

I did see all those teams and I wouldn't put the 07 Patriots ahead of them yet only because they are not done yet...if they go 19-0 though?






i actually think its harder to put together dynasty and continuously successful teams nowadays...just my opinion.

That I would agree with.

[TampaDude]

The 1977 Steelers
The 1985 Bears
The 1992 and 1993 Cowboys
The 1989 Niners

All of these teams are better than this version of the 2007 Patriots. They didn't play in the salary cap, free agency, heavily expansion era league like the Patriots do now. What the Pats are doing is impressive. But the best ever? Hell no. And don't bother posting numbers. They are irrelevant. Considering how the game has changed so much to make the offense so much successful and how the rules changed as well.

Don't forget the 1991 Redskins...oh, that's right, you're a Cowboys fan... :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Don't forget the 1991 Redskins...oh, that's right, you're a Cowboys fan... :lol
You must not remember who handed those 'skins one of their losses.

[Clandestino]

if the pats win out they will be the best team ever... one, bc they will have won more games and bc players are bigger stronger and faster than ever before. lineman back in the days would only be undersized linebackers in todays nfl.

[slayermin]

The 1977 Steelers
The 1985 Bears
The 1992 and 1993 Cowboys
The 1989 Niners

Don't you mean the '78 Steelers?

I would also add the following teams to your list.

'72 Dolphins
'75 Steelers
'76 Raiders
'84 Niners
'86 Giants
'91 Redskins
'94 Niners
'96 Packers

[leemajors]

96 pack?!!?! :td

[slayermin]

96 pack?!!?! :td

Why do you say that?

They led the NFL in scoring offense and scoring defense that season.

[BeerIsGood!]

'94 Niners? That team won because the Cowboys spotted them 21 to start the game of the NFC championship. Then they got possibly the weakest Super Bowl team ever in the '94 suck ass Chargers. That team wasn't elite, it was fortunate.

[slayermin]

'94 Niners? That team won because the Cowboys spotted them 21 to start the game of the NFC championship. Then they got possibly the weakest Super Bowl team ever in the '94 suck ass Chargers. That team wasn't elite, it was fortunate.

They dethroned the two-time champion Cowboys. The also had the MVP and Defensive Player of the Year on the same team.

[BeerIsGood!]

The Cowboys dethroned themselves.

[slayermin]

The Cowboys dethroned themselves.

That's what they all say.

[Extra Stout]

The Cowboys dethroned themselves.
I remember 1994. There was a period between 1994 and 1997 when I really hated the Cowboys. I didn't hate them beforehand, and then once they fell apart, I didn't hate them anymore.

The issue in 1994 was that I had started college, and was exposed to these Cowboy fans from Dallas who bitched, moaned, made excuses, etc. for four months following the NFC Championship Game loss to SF. I learned to hate those obnoxious Cowboys fans and also the team.

You brought back those memories.

[stretch]

Don't forget those late 1998 Broncos... that team was pretty damn good.

[samikeyp]

I learned to hate those obnoxious Cowboys fans

While I don't believe hate belongs with anything involved with a game, I developed a serious and intense dislike for those fans...and still have it. I feel the same about Spurs fans who make excuses.

[samikeyp]

Don't you mean the '78 Steelers?

I would also add the following teams to your list.

'72 Dolphins
'75 Steelers
'76 Raiders
'84 Niners
'86 Giants
'91 Redskins
'94 Niners
'96 Packers


That is a good list.

I would also include Lombardi's '62 Packers if you want to include pre-Super Bowl teams.

[slayermin]

That is a good list.

I would also include Lombardi's '62 Packers if you want to include pre-Super Bowl teams.

I don't know much about that team but their record was superb. It was the year Jim Taylor scored 19 touchdowns. I have no problem adding them to the list.

I have also heard from older fans that the '69 Chiefs was an incredible team. Their regular season wasn't as impressive as some champions. But their roster was stacked with great, talented athletes from what I have seen on NFL Films.

[BeerIsGood!]

I remember 1994. There was a period between 1994 and 1997 when I really hated the Cowboys. I didn't hate them beforehand, and then once they fell apart, I didn't hate them anymore.

The issue in 1994 was that I had started college, and was exposed to these Cowboy fans from Dallas who bitched, moaned, made excuses, etc. for four months following the NFC Championship Game loss to SF. I learned to hate those obnoxious Cowboys fans and also the team.

You brought back those memories.


You must be referring to bandwagon fans since you started to dislike them less after 1997. I can assure you that I am not a bandwagon fan, and would be right in your face all day long if it ensured hatred from such a stodgy, pompous ass.

You have your opinion and I have mine, but feel free to hate me as much as you want. I'll make sure to enjoy it.

[samikeyp]

I have also heard from older fans that the '69 Chiefs was an incredible team. Their regular season wasn't as impressive as some champions. But their roster was stacked with great, talented athletes from what I have seen on NFL Films.

I had the privilege to meet Willie Mitchell from that team back in '97. He and Warren McVea are both from San Antonio and played in SB 4 when KC beat Minnesota. Great guy. He worked for United Way and my company was doing a big United Way thing so he came out and talked with us. He showed off his SB ring. Very cool.

[FromWayDowntown]

Talk about crazy stuff, I had completely forgotten that the Pats own the 49'ers First Rounder in 2008 -- despite the penalty of losing their own first rounder in 2008, the Pats will still (most likely) have a top 5-8 pick in next year's draft.

[Extra Stout]

You must be referring to bandwagon fans since you started to dislike them less after 1997. I can assure you that I am not a bandwagon fan, and would be right in your face all day long if it ensured hatred from such a stodgy, pompous ass.

You have your opinion and I have mine, but feel free to hate me as much as you want. I'll make sure to enjoy it.
I don't know if it would ensure lasting hatred so much as just a punch in the mouth, but if you say you'd enjoy it, I believe you.

[Extra Stout]

Hey BIG, you're famous... you got written up in the Dallas Observer...

Link (http://news.dallasobserver.com/2007-11-29/news/douchebags-in-the-mist/)

[bostonguy]

Talk about crazy stuff, I had completely forgotten that the Pats own the 49'ers First Rounder in 2008 -- despite the penalty of losing their own first rounder in 2008, the Pats will still (most likely) have a top 5-8 pick in next year's draft.


Yep this team is set for the next 3-4 years. Having a pick like that makes this unbeatable powerhouse even sicker. Might as well hand us next years rings too because it is going to be a LONG ASS time until somebody knocks off the greatest franchise of all time.

[Staff Sgt. Dignam]

Yep this team is set for the next 3-4 years. Having a pick like that makes this unbeatable powerhouse even sicker. Might as well hand us next years rings too because it is going to be a LONG ASS time until somebody knocks off the greatest franchise of all time.

This man is wise.

[slayermin]

Yep this team is set for the next 3-4 years. Having a pick like that makes this unbeatable powerhouse even sicker. Might as well hand us next years rings too because it is going to be a LONG ASS time until somebody knocks off the greatest franchise of all time.

The pressure is mounting. Can you feel it?

I hope the Pats do go undefeated to finish the regular season.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Screw Boston it's over you got your ring with The Sox.

[bostonguy]

Screw Boston it's over you got your ring with The Sox.

Pats soon to follow. Then as long as they are healthy The Celtics will be in the finals and have a much better chance against anyone in the west than people realize.

[O-Factor]

Pats soon to follow. Then as long as they are healthy The Celtics will be in the finals and have a much better chance against anyone in the west than people realize.

:lol, go ahead, sleep on the Spurs. Here, I'll break it down for you........Pats are not going to win the Super Bowl, Celtics are not going to win the NBA Championship.

[O-Factor]

Yep this team is set for the next 3-4 years. Having a pick like that makes this unbeatable powerhouse even sicker. Might as well hand us next years rings too because it is going to be a LONG ASS time until somebody knocks off the greatest franchise of all time.

Thats the Cowboys pal. NE doesn't even compare.

[bostonguy]

Thats the Cowboys pal. NE doesn't even compare.

Not after the Pats go 19-0.

[bostonguy]

:lol, go ahead, sleep on the Spurs. Here, I'll break it down for you........Pats are not going to win the Super Bowl, Celtics are not going to win the NBA Championship.


I didnt say the Spurs didnt have a chance. I am saying the Celts (if healthy) have as good of a chance to win it all as anyone. And yes the Pats are going to win the superbowl. Name me who is going to take their place as champs this year? The Cowboys and their shaky D? The Steelers? The injury depleted Colts? The choking chargers? The Packers? Please name me somebody who is going to win it all if it isnt going to be the most dominating team of all time in New England.

[leemajors]

:jack

[johngateswhiteley]

i agree with the point Tiki just made on the NFL post game show. once the Pats go 16-0, and they will...the pressure shifts and they can just concentrate on the playoffs.

[ducks]

Talk about crazy stuff, I had completely forgotten that the Pats own the 49'ers First Rounder in 2008 -- despite the penalty of losing their own first rounder in 2008, the Pats will still (most likely) have a top 5-8 pick in next year's draft.
yeah that is why the pentalty for cheating was not fair

[slayermin]

i agree with the point Tiki just made on the NFL post game show. once the Pats go 16-0, and they will...the pressure shifts and they can just concentrate on the playoffs.

I disagree. I think they have more pressure if they go undefeated. Especially if they fall behind in the 4th Qtr during the playoffs. In the back of their mind, they will be thinking about the disappointment and embarrassment of going undefeated in the regular season but bowing out to an inferior team at home.

[monosylab1k]

I disagree. I think they have more pressure if they go undefeated. Especially if they fall behind in the 4th Qtr during the playoffs. In the back of their mind, they will be thinking about the disappointment and embarrassment of going undefeated in the regular season but bowing out to an inferior team at home.
well i'm glad you know more about the mentality of an NFL player than a former NFL player does.

[BeerIsGood!]

I don't think that the Pats will feel any additional pressure in the PO if they are 16-0, but I do think they have the toughest road to the SB of the #1 seeds. Indy, SD, and Jax are all playing damn good ball to finish the season and the Steelers are capable of rising up on a given day. I wonder if there is some fatigue on the Pats given the age of some of their players (especially defensive) and the mental and emotional high they've been firing on since the spygate thing. I'm interested to see how Belichick plays this final game - rest players to try to recover or go for 16 and leave no doubts?

[slayermin]

well i'm glad you know more about the mentality of an NFL player than a former NFL player does.

The Pats aren't the Mavericks so I am probably just whistling Dixie.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

I didnt say the Spurs didnt have a chance. I am saying the Celts (if healthy) have as good of a chance to win it all as anyone. And yes the Pats are going to win the superbowl. Name me who is going to take their place as champs this year? The Cowboys and their shaky D? The Steelers? The injury depleted Colts? The choking chargers? The Packers? Please name me somebody who is going to win it all if it isnt going to be the most dominating team of all time in New England.

The Colts. With their O coming back in full form and #88 getting back on the field, they will abuse the living shit out of the Pats D. They also are a solid running team as well. Maroney had a nice 2 games against horrible rush defenses but he will be a non-factor against teams like the Colts. Peyton Manning will pick that defense apart much worse than Feely did.

[J.T.]

The NFL is going to be in for a huge dose of karmic irony when the Colts win the Super Bowl by beating the two teams that (barely) blocked them from being undefeated this year.

I'll also lol my balls off if the Seahawks pull the upset and reach the Super Bowl since that's the team that came out of the NFC in Madden 08 when I played season mode back in August.

[TheSanityAnnex]

When the Chargers win the SuperBowl I won't post here for a year.

[slayermin]

When the Chargers win the SuperBowl I won't post here for a year.

If the Redskins don't take it, I hope it's the Chargers.