What is wrong with the Mavs

[BeerIsGood!]

Serious question as I haven't seen one non-Spurs game of theirs this year, so basically I've only see them play balls out great. Why are they losing to some suck ass teams?

[Armando]

The Mavs won't be judged by the regular season. I won't be surprised if they win no more then 50-55 games. I think they will sleepwalk through the season and turn it on in April.

[ducks]

spurs lost to bucks 2 last year

[Purple & Gold]

Now I don't feel too bad about losing two in a row to the Bucks and Celtics.

[JamStone]

at least for tonite, foul/free throw disparity ... otherwise it probably would have been a Dallas win. i didn't watch the game, but i was looking at the box scores. so, that's just a guess. i don't know how the game really went that made it gave the bucks the edge.

[BeerIsGood!]

The Mavs won't be judged by the regular season. I won't be surprised if they win no more then 50-55 games. I think they will sleepwalk through the season and turn it on in April.

They aren't a championship team that can afford to do that. They don't have that kind of experience, and given the high level of choking I can't believe they would try something like that. I doubt it would work for them.

[Findog]

what's wrong with the mavs? nothing longterm

[ducks]

the problem is dirk is not like ray allen
he can not hit late clutch shots

I would trade kobe for dirk straight up if I am gm of mavs

[Purple & Gold]

the problem is dirk is not like ray allen
he can not hit late clutch shots

I would trade kobe for dirk straight up if I am gm of mavs

Lakers wouldn't take that trade. Lamar for Dirk though. :drunk :drunk

[Findog]

the problem is dirk is not like ray allen
he can not hit late clutch shots

I would trade kobe for dirk straight up if I am gm of mavs

dirk's anti-clutch pedigree is grossly exaggerated.

[Armando]

They aren't a championship team that can afford to do that. They don't have that kind of experience, and given the high level of choking I can't believe they would try something like that. I doubt it would work for them.


Maybe time will tell. Personally I don't buy this on/off switch mentality some teams have. Look at Miami last season they messed around in the regular season and look what happen to them in the playoffs. They ended thier season like they started losing to the Bulls.

[BeerIsGood!]

Wade was injured and that Miami team was hopeless without Wade at 100%. It was like the Spurs in 2000 when TD was injured and out against the Suns in the 1st round.

[ludda]

I dont see anything wrong with the mavs besides whats always been "wrong" for them. It's obvious they're not playing at a high level right now, there were many games last season where I thought they were lucky to win. Maybe we all expect them to be the dominant 67 win team of last season but its obvious they're not going for that route anymore. So far Dirk has been reduced to a role player and their defense has been pathetic.

[jmard5]

Nah. Avery is probably going the Pop route. He is taking it easy.

They would also like to turn it on after the All-star break. Would if work? Time will tell.

[Obstructed_View]

None of the teams I've seen the Mavs play this year are as bad as the Spurs team that showed up in the first half against them. None. The Mavs are back to their jump shooting ways, which is great when the jumpers go in, and makes for big comebacks when they start jacking them up in desperation. Devin Harris has extended his range, which makes him less of a liability until he starts shooting instead of driving. Josh Howard is getting better and better, but they are still emotionally fragile, as the Milwaukee game can attest. If they get their defense together and score inside, and if the refs continue to allow them to commit 25 moving picks per game, they'll be competing for the division again.

[Obstructed_View]

at least for tonite, foul/free throw disparity ... otherwise it probably would have been a Dallas win. i didn't watch the game, but i was looking at the box scores. so, that's just a guess. i don't know how the game really went that made it gave the bucks the edge.
If you want a free throw stat that made a difference, look at the Mavs' percentage. Missing seven free throws almost never happens for them, and they lost by 2.

[Shank]

Something is definitely off. Missing free throws, not attacking the basket, wide open lanes for layups, Dirk passing wide open shots, lingering injury issues...they seem totally out of sync right now.

[BUMP]

i just think that they learned from last year and arent trying to get an amazing regular season record. i dont think that they would lose regular season games on purpose but they know that it is guaranteed that they will make the playoffs barring some injury. they probly are taking a page out of the spurs book and trying to get hot at the right time

[Obstructed_View]

i just think that they learned from last year and arent trying to get an amazing regular season record. i dont think that they would lose regular season games on purpose but they know that it is guaranteed that they will make the playoffs barring some injury. they probly are taking a page out of the spurs book and trying to get hot at the right time
Trying to get hot at the right time never means being able to take games off or not to give effort.

[George Gervin's Afro]

they get up for the spurs and don't for everyone else. they save their 65% shooting halves for the spurs.

[SequSpur]

The Mavs? What is wrong with the Mavs? :lmao

[Jason_Terry]

Mavs know what they do in the regular season doesn't mean shit. Nobody cares if they lose to the Pacers in November.

If they choke in the playoffs this year for a second time in a row, though, then it'll be time to make some changes.

[Armando]

Mavs know what they do in the regular season doesn't mean shit. Nobody cares if they lose to the Pacers in November.

If they choke in the playoffs this year for a second time in a row, though, then it'll be time to make some changes.


I agree no one will remember the loss to the Bucks/Pacers if the Mavs win it all.

[Findog]

1. Interior Defense sucks right now. Too many uncontested layups and dunks by other teams. Dampier isn't 100% healthy or playing heavy minutes, so Dirk is getting more minutes at the five. Not good.

2. Playing up and down to the competition. Nice wins over San Antonio and Houston. Disappointing losses to Milwaukee, Cleveland and Atlanta. We're 3-4 on the road. Elite teams post winning road records.

3. Avery is trying to overhaul the offense after the GS series, and it's a work in progress. He's trying to emphasis Dirk becoming a better passer and not trying to do it all himself. I think early on the results have been mixed. His passes out of double teams are better, he anticipates where the blind-side help defender is coming from better, but I think sometimes he passes up shots he would normally take (and make) in order to be more of a creator for others.

4. Settling for too many jumpers instead of attacking the basket. They started off both games against Milwaukee and Indiana cold from outside and only reluctantly started going to the basket more and getting hacked and earning trips after the jumpers weren't falling. They need to mix it up more.

5. I'm not sure about the FTs. I have to figure that is an anomaly that will eventually correct itself on its own.

Keep in mind that for all that is "wrong" with the Mavericks, we're on a pace to win 55 games. But the defense needs fixing if we want to be anything other than early-round fodder.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

1. Interior Defense sucks right now. Too many uncontested layups and dunks by other teams. Dampier isn't 100% healthy or playing heavy minutes, so Dirk is getting more minutes at the five. Not good.

I thought Diop was a good interior defender? What's wrong with him?

[Findog]

I thought Diop was a good interior defender? What's wrong with him?

He has been sucking the past few games. We don't get a lot of points from the center position even with Diop and Damp are out there and 100%, but he's been a nonentity on offense. He's also foul-prone sometimes and doesn't play more than about 25-30 minutes a night. So if Dampier isn't playing, that means Dirk at the five for about 18 minutes a night. That = layup line.

[Obstructed_View]

Diop has tried to add some offense to his game, but maybe it's affected his concentration on defense. Bass has helped to keep that weakness from being as glaring as it is. AJ's going to have to start cracking down on them to play D again; frankly I'm surprised he ever let up. The Mavs spend way too much time looking like the old run and gun no defense team.

[JamStone]

I think it's a little more simple than you guys make it out to seem.

The Mavericks simply cannot compete with Eastern Conference powerhouses like Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Indiana. Nuff said.

[mavsfan1000]

I think it's a little more simple than you guys make it out to seem.

The Mavericks simply cannot compete with Eastern Conference powerhouses like Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Indiana. Nuff said.
It's pretty simple. You are an idiot.

[sribb43]

After watching the pacers game on friday, the glaring problem is obvious with the mavs end of game scoring options. Dirk should be #1, sadly he isnt

Top 3 end of game scoring options:
1. Bass
2. Barea
3. Dirk

[sribb43]

Diop has tried to add some offense to his game, but maybe it's affected his concentration on defense. Bass has helped to keep that weakness from being as glaring as it is. AJ's going to have to start cracking down on them to play D again; frankly I'm surprised he ever let up. The Mavs spend way too much time looking like the old run and gun no defense team.

Mavs are far from run and gun...there are way too many possessions were the mavs let the shot clock run down to 5 secs them try and make a play. Watching the mavs on offense at times can be very hard on the eyes

[JamStone]

It's pretty simple. You are an idiot.


LMAO! Is your pussy really hurting over my joke?

[mavsfan1000]

LMAO! Is your pussy really hurting over my joke?
I call it trolling. Btw how are your pistons doing? :lol

[JamStone]

I call it trolling. Btw how are your pistons doing? :lol


I call it having a ginormous sensitive pussy. It was a fucking joke.

And, the Pistons suck. I got no problems admitting that. You on the other hand still take Dirk loads all over your face.

Stop being a sensitive pussy.

[monosylab1k]

It's pretty simple. You are an idiot.
it's pretty simple. He was making a joke, retard.

[mavsfan1000]

it's pretty simple. He was making a joke, retard.
You still call yourself a mavs fan? I wish you were a spurs fan as you are an embarrassment to this city.

[monosylab1k]

You still call yourself a mavs fan? I wish you were a spurs fan as you are an embarrassment to this city.
This coming from the disgrace of a Mavs fan that tried to minimize Michael Finley's contributions to the organization. Any Mavs fan who talks shit about Michael Finley IS NOT a true Mavs fan, END OF DISCUSSION.

[mavsfan1000]

This coming from the disgrace of a Mavs fan that tried to minimize Michael Finley's contributions to the organization. Any Mavs fan who talks shit about Michael Finley IS NOT a true Mavs fan, END OF DISCUSSION.
Lol you still try to hold that against me. Just because I didn't call Finley the MVP of the mavs. Look back in that thread and you will see that I had nothing against Finley. I just said the way things were. Finley's best happened when Dirk and Nash were hardly a factor. Dirk and Nash were at their best the same time Finley was losing it. Therefore we never had a big 3 as I said in that thread.

[jman3000]

manu... fuck yeah.

:lol wtf... thought i was in the game thread :lol

[ShoogarBear]

If they choke in the playoffs this year for a second time in a row, though, then it'll be time to make some changes.By that reasoning, their changes should have started before this year.

[ShoogarBear]

Oh, and foc Brendan Bass. The Spurs did not need the Mavs' picking him up.

[RonMexico]

Everybody on their team is gay?

[Amarelooms]

Mavs are playing bad....dont think this team is that good. I do believe the Mavs could beat the Spurs in the best of 7...probably not a run and gun team like the Suns or Warriors...go figure.

[Obstructed_View]

Mavs are far from run and gun...there are way too many possessions were the mavs let the shot clock run down to 5 secs them try and make a play. Watching the mavs on offense at times can be very hard on the eyes
More often than any time in the past couple of years, they've been content to exchange baskets with teams, which envolves taking early shots and fast breaks at the wrong times. It goes hand-in-hand with not playing defense. When they are playing well, the Mavs fast break only after getting turnovers. See when they whipped the Spurs in the first half of that game.

[ATRAIN]

You still call yourself a mavs fan? I wish you were a spurs fan as you are an embarrassment to this city.


He is all yours, dont try to dump him on us. Plus everyone knows Mono is a bandwagon fan. After all look who his NFL team is.

[RonMexico]

mavsfan1000 and dirk4mvp are easily the worst Mav posters on this board.

There, I said it.

[CubanMustGo]

Being serious for a moment ...

remember the "expected wins" stat? Last year the Mavs won way more games than they should have according to this calculation - the breaks went their way at the ends of games and they won lots of close ones. So far this year the opposite is true and the Mavs are losing the close games. Last year's Mavs team wasn't as good as its record, this year's is probably a little better (though there's nothing wrong with 9-4).

[ratm1221]

Mavs have the same record they did this time last year.. Dirk is still out of sync from wrestling koala bears in Australia. Give them time, it's still just November.

[clambake]

dirk can't wait to pass off. he's running from responsibility. he's got ghost in his head.

[ratm1221]

dirk can't wait to pass off. he's running from responsibility. he's got ghost in his head.

Dirk's taking shots, they just aren't going in. Except for those four 3pt'ers in a row against the raps.

[ArgSpursFan.]

Nah. Avery is probably going the Pop route. He is taking it easy.

They would also like to turn it on after the All-star break. Would if work? Time will tell.

another aspect of the spurs being copied by AJ????
Danm,doesn't he have a mind of his own??

[Obstructed_View]

ESPN had an interesting stat. The Mavs are scoring ~105 ppg in their wins and ~95 ppg in their losses. A discrepancy that large over so few games reinforces my belief that they are relying on made baskets rather than defense. Again, it's one of the easier things to remedy, as we know the Mavs have played capable D in the past.

[Findog]

ESPN had an interesting stat. The Mavs are scoring ~105 ppg in their wins and ~95 ppg in their losses. A discrepancy that large over so few games reinforces my belief that they are relying on made baskets rather than defense. Again, it's one of the easier things to remedy, as we know the Mavs have played capable D in the past.

Dampier is slowly working himself back in after the shoulder injury and is getting 11 mpg as opposed to his usual 25. He doesn't do certain things well, like scoring, or holding onto passes, or earning his exorbitant salary, but he's good at protecting the rim and grabbing rebounds. Having Dirk play so many minutes at the 5 is hurting our defense.

[Obstructed_View]

He reinjured the shoulder the other night, didn't he?

[Findog]

He reinjured the shoulder the other night, didn't he?

I think so, the announcers said something about it, something about how he doesn't have full range of motion when he tries to lift his arms. Typical Dampier, his conditioning is not what it should be after a long layoff.

[Shank]

He was at practice today and the only 2 guys expected to miss are Jones/George.

Cue Humble Billy's "Tarzan" BS if Damp plays. The guy is MONEY! MONEY, SON!