Was Stephen Jack significant on the Spurs? (New Warrior site)

[dubsball]

Whatsup guys! Well this is a semi cheap-plug, but also a serious question. Me and my buddies are die hard Jack fans over at our new Warriors site DubsBall.com (http://www.dubsball.com). We have come to love this guy even more since he came back and took us from a hopeless 0-6 start to a respectable 6-7 in like 2 weeks. Jack frequently mentions how he is a champion and he has a ring, (the most memorable instance was last year on TNT after a game when Charles Barkley was talking smack).

So anyways, I do remember Jack on the Spurs, and I personally always liked him, but I was wondering, how deep was his fan base and contributions to the organization from a Spurs fans prospective? How was it losing him for money issues? Do you guys still respect him now? Did you pre-judge him like the media did during the fight and his club incident? Let me know...and watch out for the Dubs, although, we just can't beat the Spurs or the Jazz, probably the only 2 teams we concede to.

[slayermin]

We probably repeat or even threepeat if Jack stayed.

[nacho estrada]

but I was wondering, how deep was his fan base and contributions to the organization from a Spurs fans prospective? How was it losing him for money issues? Do you guys still respect him now? Did you pre-judge him like the media did during the fight and his club incident? Let me know...and watch out for the Dubs, although, we just can't beat the Spurs or the Jazz, probably the only 2 teams we concede to.


SJAX was his nickname here.. He was lights out on occasion and other nights he was a turnover machine. We know you have to take the good with the bad and dont get me wrong he was more good than bad. I.E. Dallas Playoff victories and when we bounced L.A. and made Kobe cry on live tv (before his wife did!) So that being said there is alot of history with the Spurs and Jackson.. although We LOVED Jackson but Manu was ultimately the better choice for us then. SJAX demanded too much money then only to have to take a bottom barrel deal with ATL , then off to the Indiana days of mayhem, and then finally end up in a good situation in GS. I think I speak for the masses that Spurs fans will always have a soft spot for SJAX only because it was the Spurs who took a chance on a talent that hadnt been harnessed yet, he then turned that into a champion right before our eyes.

[dubsball]

Wow... I guess I am not too surprised, just wanted to hear for assurance... ya his nickname did used to be SJax, then it was Jax, then the legendary coach (who trained your coach), his excellency Don Nelson, declared him Jack and thus the masses have conformed....

BTW funny story, in an interview the other day, Jack was talking to reporters during practice about Nellie:

"You know I never thought of all the people in the world that an old white guy would understand me the best..."

Nellie overhears and looks over:

"Old white guy?!"

The players in the background burst into laughter...Jack puts hands in the air and responds:

"Well I didn't wanna say old man!"

Nellie joins in and everyone does a double laugh. Thought that was great.

[baseline bum]

In his time in San Antonio:

1) Jack went 8-8 from the three point line to kill the Lakers in a regular season game.
2) He hit a game-winning three to beat Boston by 1.
3) He hit a three at the buzzer to send the game into OT against Minnesota in a game the Spurs had no business going that far in (they had just beaten Dallas the night before in OT after Tony Parker hit the gamewinner with 2 seconds left, and the team was dead tired).
4) He carried the Spurs in the first two games of the Phoenix series (the Suns were Spurs killers that year, and owned a 3-1 season series lead).
5) He dragged the Spurs from 13 down in the fourth quarter of game 6 of the WCF in Dallas, starting the 23-0 run the Spurs used to win the game and the conference. I think he had about 25 points in that game.
6) Hit a backbreaking three against the Nets in game 2 of the Finals with maybe 15-20 seconds left that put the Spurs in position to win on a monster comeback (he just missed the game-winning three).
7) Had three three pointers in about a 3 minute span of the 4th quarter to bring the Spurs from 10 down in the fourth to win game 6 of the NBA Finals and the championship while eliminating Byron Scott's team (after Scott had said a lot of really bad things about Jack and about how he'd never be successful).

The guy's my third favorite Spurs player ever, and I've been a fan 22 years. I'll never get over the Spurs letting him walk. He's right there with Ginobili as the franchise's greatest clutch shooter.

[slayermin]

His other nickname is "Buckets." I'm not sure who came up with that one.

[dubsball]

WOW BASELINE! THATS AMAZING! YA I HAD A STRANGE EXPERIENCE... whoa turn off caps... I had a cool experience I went to a Dubs game last year early on when he was still with the Pacers, and Jack beat us at the buzzer with a 3... I was heartbroken...but at the same time, I was happy to see Jack was so strong to get through all the drama and still stay consistent on a bad team... and so when I heard he was coming to the Dubs I was ecstatic.

Hey I think us Warriors / Spurs fans can bond on 2 commonalities now, 1 being Jack, and 2 being our disgust with the Mavs LOL.

[slayermin]

I have to give you guys props on the Oracle Arena. Great venue to watch a game.

[td4mvp21]

I wish he would have stayed with the Spurs, and I know a lot of other people wish that too.

[Walter Craparita]

Mavs Killer.

[E20]

As you may all know SJax makes love to pressure.

[dubsball]

HAHAHA Wait where was that make love to pressure originally quoted? I would love to find that original quote, can someone tell me where it was said and when?

That's awesome.

[phyzik]

HAHAHA Wait where was that make love to pressure originally quoted? I would love to find that original quote, can someone tell me where it was said and when?

That's awesome.

I think its derived from all of the Chuck Norris quotes floating around the internet.... The difference is, its actually true when talking about SJax.

I would truely not feel bad at all for the Warriors if the Spurs where able to steal him back from GS. The dude is the definition of 'stone cold killer' on the court. I still hate his agent to this day for demanding so much money from the Spurs, I honestly think Sjax was influenced too much by his agent at that time. Regardless they (his agent and him) where requesting too much money and letting him go was the right thing at that time.

[E20]

I thought, if I remember correctly, that SJax during a press confrence was asked what he thought of the pressure of him taking a big shot and he replied:

Pressure?

I make love to pressure.

[phyzik]

I thought, if I remember correctly, that SJax during a press confrence was asked what he thought of the pressure of him taking a big shot and he replied:

Pressure?

I make love to pressure.


could be, I never saw that, I always thought it was the Chuck Norris thing.

[dubsball]

man I need to find that press conference, I'm so going to make that my new quote... Jack is the man.

[timvp]

Notice no Mav Fans in this thread :)

[monosylab1k]

It's nice to see Warriors fans on the internet for the first time in ever.

[dubsball]

hahaha yesssss my first nemesis mavs fan on here! nice to meet you, let me start on a good note by saying I think it was awesome how Avery went after that ref the other night, but then again, that's just another unifying factor for mavs, spurs, and warrior fans ... the whole avery johnson has played on each team and was mentored by nellie thing... good times.

[atxrocker]

dubsball, mav fans do not know how to reply in a civil manner. get used to it.

[dubsball]

hahaha i'll keep that in mind. meanwhile, the warriors and kings are even according to las vegas odds for tomorrows match.

My prediction: Warriors 100 - Artest 50

[dirk4mvp]

my prediction

warriors - a lot
kings - not so much

why? because the kings suck.

[J.T.]

Nice to see a fan of another team come on here with a general interest in hoops and not log in solely to troll Spurs fans. Props to you. I enjoyed watching SJax play and my favorite moment in his tenure here is definitely his play in that conference-clinching game against the Mavs in '03, but there were many more.

:tu

[boutons_]

The comment in 2003 about Stephen that stuck with me was that "he keeps both teams in the game".

He's pure scorer, hit some big shots in the 2003 playoffs, which we are all grateful for (but for which he doesn't merit Spurs canonization) but he didn't rack up much in the way of RB and AST and floor play to offset his TOs and low bball IQ.

He wouldn't have made any difference in 2004 vs Lakers, the whole Spurs team and coaches fucked up beyond what SJax could have contributed.

[slayermin]

Any difference in 2004 vs Lakers, the whole Spurs team and coaches fucked up beyond what SJax could have contributed.

Assuming we win the first two games with Jack, I think he helps us step on the Lakers throat in either games three or four. His attitude alone would have carried us.

[21GoSpursGo9]

I would deal Barry for Jax in a fucking heartbeat if it could happen. Thats a guy we could really use against the Mavs. When he is around good people, the guy is not an issue at all. He may have flaws, but what he brings makes up for that in a HUGE way. Letting him go was stupid. He was worth every cent of that contract. He also would have been Bowens possible replacement and our Dirk stopper. Also I would love to see him in close game situations. We keep Jax/Speedy, this team would have swept the Lakers in 2004 and humiliated them much worse than they did in game 6 2003. I would do anything to land Jax back on the spurs.

[dubsball]

Guys, I hate to break up this love affair, but there's one thing that I and all Warrior fans absolutely hate about the Spurs... has nothing to do with Jack or refs or even their current teamreally.... it's none other than Steve Kerr!! I can't stand that guy! The worst commentator ever, the most lucky guy ever (got to play behind jordan and duncan and takes credit for making wide open shots), he was the worst analyst on yahoo nba, and then, of all teams, tries to be mr. big shot and go gm for the spurs? what do u guys think of that. i can't stand that guy.

[dubsball]

oops i meant GM for the Suns... kinda ironic wouldn't u think?

[slayermin]

oops i meant GM for the Suns... kinda ironic wouldn't u think?

I just realized that if the Warriors make the playoffs, you will be rooting for Dallas to take us out. Am I right?

[dubsball]

No we would sabotage the seeding so that situation would never happen. God forbid we'd have to root for the Mavs in any situation. No now that I think about it, we got a litttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt tttle bigger and I think it'd be fun putting us in a playoff atmosphere against the Spurs, although, the media would totally villianize the Spurs since the NBA does NOT want you guys to win this year, (please see: change to blocking foul rules, courtesy of David Stern).

[slayermin]

No we would sabotage the seeding so that situation would never happen. God forbid we'd have to root for the Mavs in any situation. No now that I think about it, we got a litttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt tttle bigger and I think it'd be fun putting us in a playoff atmosphere against the Spurs, although, the media would totally villianize the Spurs since the NBA does NOT want you guys to win this year, (please see: change to blocking foul rules, courtesy of David Stern).

Who did you guys pickup to check TD?

[dubsball]

Monta Ellis, the smallest and fastest guy in the NBA (now that Boykins is gone).

That's about the only chance we got at TD, is running from him. I ain't gonna lie.

[slayermin]

Monta Ellis, the smallest and fastest guy in the NBA (now that Boykins is gone).

That's about the only chance we got at TD, is running from him. I ain't gonna lie.

But wouldn't you rather face Dallas than San Antonio?

I was cheering for you guys last season. But not necessarily to avoid Dallas, but because it would be the greatest upset in NBA history. It was just great watching the Mavs meltdown.

Though you guys taking out Dallas made our title run easier.

[dubsball]

Yes we would. If you put it that way, we'd want to face Dallas, it's just, I could never see myself rooting for them for the chance to play them, you know what I mean?

What really pissed us off was last year, after one of our 4 regular season whoopings of the Dallas/Cuban Mavericks, Terry and Howard were asked if they thought the Warriors were actually a threat to beating the Mavericks, and they literally laughed instead of answering the question. Those some arrogant punks choked and lost because we had them beat. And also the audacity of Cuban to disrespect Don Nelson over and over again, who the hell does he think he is? But then you can't hate on AJ as a coach, or Donnie Nelson who is their GM lol. But then not hating certain parts makes you hate other parts more.

So ya, it's deep and twisted hatred.

[slayermin]

Yes we would. If you put it that way, we'd want to face Dallas, it's just, I could never see myself rooting for them for the chance to play them, you know what I mean?

What really pissed us off was last year, after one of our 4 regular season whoopings of the Dallas/Cuban Mavericks, Terry and Howard were asked if they thought the Warriors were actually a threat to beating the Mavericks, and they literally laughed instead of answering the question. Those some arrogant punks choked and lost because we had them beat. And also the audacity of Cuban to disrespect Don Nelson over and over again, who the hell does he think he is? But then you can't hate on AJ as a coach, or Donnie Nelson who is their GM lol. But then not hating certain parts makes you hate other parts more.

So ya, it's deep and twisted hatred.

:lol

Hopefully they will be interviewed again and asked the same questions.

[ShoogarBear]

Notice no Mav Fans in this thread :)He's like garlic to the vampire.

[Findog]

It's nice to see Warriors fans on the internet for the first time in ever.

It's not a new thing: Golden State of Mind. I hate the fuckin' Warriors, but their fans suffered about as long as the diehard Mav fans did.

[dirk4mvp]

dubsball, mav fans do not know how to reply in a civil manner. get used to it.


You forgot to tell him that kings fans wish death, aids, or some chronic illness upon any non king player besides Arenas.

[Findog]

You forgot to tell him that kings fans wish death, aids, or some chronic illness upon any non king player besides Arenas.

atxrocker has only himself to blame for being treated like the douche that he is. If you want civility and manners, you have to extend that to others.

[dubsball]

I hate the fuckin' Warriors, but their fans suffered about as long as the diehard Mav fans did.


Our drought was 13 years, it was longer. And guess who ended your drought? Nellie. Guess who ended ours? Nellie. Guess why we always beat you and you'll never win a championship? Yep, Nellie.

[monosylab1k]

Guess why we always beat you and you'll never win a championship? Yep, Nellie.
Guess why, if we never win one, you'll never win a championship either? Yep, Nellie.

[ShoogarBear]

Guess why, if we never win one, you'll never win a championship either? Yep, Nellie.True dat.

Maybe Phoenix will hire Nellie after they fire D'Antoni.

[Walter Craparita]

Them beating Mavs was just as admirable as winning championship haha

[Yuixafun]

That dude was fearless. Feast or famine was a man during the playoffs.

You need someone on the team with that confidence when the moment magnifies, whose going to shoot without flinching. Confidence is contagious.

Without him and Speedy Claxton San Antonio is a couple championships lighter.

So glad we had guys who would get pissed when they were knocked down instead of sucking their thumb in a corner. But Tony Parkers balls have dropped now so we good.

[mikejones99]

Yes, he is a very good player with a slight chance for the hall of fame. very under rated.

[dirk4mvp]

Yes, he is a very good player with a slight chance for the hall of fame. very under rated.


:flypig


WTF?

no I need to spell that out.....What The Fuck?

[mikejones99]

dallas people will never quite understand

[dirk4mvp]

o i see.... he was a god in SA, so he's going to the hof.

[Walter Craparita]

Hop > Hof














house of pancakes

[FromWayDowntown]

Without him and Speedy Claxton San Antonio is a couple championships lighter.

That's quite a statement since Speedy was in San Antonio for 1 season and Buckets was here for only 2. I'm not sure what effect Jax and Speedy had on the 1999, 2005, or 2007 titles.

As for Mr. Jackson, what I'll always remember -- along with all of the big shots and the unending bravado -- was the raw emotion, both good and bad. There were those precious moments when Pop would send Manu in to get Jax and we all got to watch Mount Jackson erupt on the way to the bench, only to have Mike Brown assume his role as Balla Coach and be dispatched to settle Buckets down.

As others have suggested, Stephen Jackson's great strength -- his emotion -- can sometimes be his greatest weakness as well. With that said, I wish things could have turned out differently and that Jax could have stayed in SA. Stephen gambled on getting good money; he lost initially, but got eventually got paid. He might not ever win again, but I guess that's the tradeoff that he had to balance.

[Findog]

Our drought was 13 years, it was longer. And guess who ended your drought? Nellie. Guess who ended ours? Nellie. Guess why we always beat you and you'll never win a championship? Yep, Nellie.

You can have him. There's a ceiling to what he does.

[dubsball]

The Dallas Mavericks never won a championship. The Warriors have 2. The Philly Warriors had the first ever NBA championship, and the Golden State Warriors won in 1975 in a series they were widely favored to be swept in. They actually ended up sweeping THEIR opponent, Washington. :)

Until you have Cuban as your owner, you're going to continue dwindling down.

[dubsball]

BTW The Warriors beat Sac tonight thanks to 2 clutch 3's by Jack.

Jack's defense helped us keep Sacramento to being 2 for 23 for the field in the 4th quarter... in their own building.

[Findog]

The Dallas Mavericks never won a championship. The Warriors have 2. The Philly Warriors had the first ever NBA championship, and the Golden State Warriors won in 1975 in a series they were widely favored to be swept in. They actually ended up sweeping THEIR opponent, Washington. :)


No, they didn't. They won a title in the BAA with Joe Fulks. They actually were eliminated in the first year of the league being known as the NBA to the Syracuse Nationals. As for the title you won during Gerald Ford's term with Brent Barry's daddy, relevance?


Until you have Cuban as your owner, you're going to continue dwindling down.

This is true. He bought a dying franchise and has spent the money keeping it competitive.

[dubsball]

The BAA became the National Basketball Association in 1949.

So like I said, 2 titles. Even if it's 1, it's still 1 more than Dallas.

And our team pulled off another big win tonight, we're 6-1 in our last 7 games and many of those we won thanks to last minute efforts... they call that, clutch.

Dallas is the opposite of that, I think it's called... choke, kind of how you have choked in the playoffs the last 2 years lol.

[Findog]

The BAA became the National Basketball Association in 1949.


So like I said, 2 titles. Even if it's 1, it's still 1 more than Dallas.

Relevance of this non sequitur?



And our team pulled off another big win tonight, we're 6-1 in our last 7 games and many of those we won thanks to last minute efforts... they call that, clutch.

Dallas is the opposite of that, I think it's called... choke, kind of how you have choked in the playoffs the last 2 years lol.

Nellie knows basketball and is a good coach for any team trying to put something together. He is a great teacher and builder. Any team trying to put together any kind of program or winning tradition would do well to hire a motivated Nellie. It also helps energize a starved fanbase. You have to walk before you can run, and Nellie's strength is teaching guys how to walk. The man knows how to build a foundation and he's proven it time and time again.

[dubsball]

His sons good too. Gotta admit Dallas has been good at keeping up talent on their squad thanks to Donnie. But they should have never split up NASH and DIRK, that's part of the reason Nellie got pissed and left.

[Findog]

But they should have never split up NASH and DIRK, that's part of the reason Nellie got pissed and left.

Defensively, they wanted to get away from having both of them on the court at the same time. One was 5 years younger and a foot taller, so the decision was a pragmatic one. I just wish we had spent his salary slot on a better player than Erick Dampier. Although in Dampier's defense, he has greatly improved our interior defense. Nash is in a better system to showcase his skillset in Phoenix. He's pretty much the same player he was here. We sorely miss his ability to break down a defense in the halfcourt, his outside shooting and overall leadership. We don't miss his "defense" at all. There was just no way we were ever going to get past the Spurs with him guarding Tony Parker.

Nellie left for a lot of reasons, among them his heartbreak over his mancrush going to Arizona, and lingering bitterness over how Dirk's injury was handled during the 03 Conference Finals. He quit on this team but refused to hand in his resignation until 60 games later. There's Good Nellie and Bad Nellie, and sooner or later you'll see for yourself.

[monosylab1k]

The BAA became the National Basketball Association in 1949.

So like I said, 2 titles. Even if it's 1, it's still 1 more than Dallas.

And our team pulled off another big win tonight, we're 6-1 in our last 7 games and many of those we won thanks to last minute efforts... they call that, clutch.

Dallas is the opposite of that, I think it's called... choke, kind of how you have choked in the playoffs the last 2 years lol.
Congratulations on your title 32 years ago, which, judging from the way you talk, was about 20 years before you were even born.

[monosylab1k]

Serious question for dubsball - Does Nellie attend any practices these days? Judging from his Dallas days, my guess is that he's usually on a golf course in Maui with a six pack, and just kind of shows up at the arena on gameday.

[Findog]

Serious question for dubsball - Does Nellie attend any practices these days? Judging from his Dallas days, my guess is that he's usually on a golf course in Maui with a six pack, and just kind of shows up at the arena on gameday.

Don't be silly mono...Hawaii is a 3 hour flight from the Bay Area. During the season, you can find him at Vesuvio:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/9/11381353_eb4fa13967.jpg

[Stand]

Cuban is the Mavs Stephen Jackson. Their savior and their own worst enemy in one.

[Findog]

Congratulations on your title 32 years ago, which, judging from the way you talk, was about 20 years before you were even born.

The Warriors have actually won 3 titles since the inception of the BAA, not two. Doubt our newest contributor has personal memories of any of them.

[dubsball]

There's Good Nellie and Bad Nellie, and sooner or later you'll see for yourself.

Yeah I think it's safe to say we know Don Nelson, after-all, he did have a SMALL stint with the Warriors earlier, and has already said the Bay Area is his favorite place.

Wow, good to see so many Mavs fans in a Spurs community take such exception to a Warrior fan telling them the truth about who has titles and who doesn't lol.

Hey look at the bright side, you have other historic things to be proud of, like, how you killed JFK.

[Findog]

Wow, good to see so many Mavs fans in a Spurs community take such exception to a Warrior fan telling them the truth about who has titles and who doesn't lol.



History smack is pretty weak. If you didn't witness it, you don't get to brag about it. Warriors have a longer title drought than Dallas.

[dubsball]

Warriors have a longer title drought than Dallas.

HAHA. OK since when is 32 years longer than infinity?

[Findog]

HAHA. OK since when is 32 years longer than infinity?


32 years is longer than 27 years. But since you're not a frontrunning douche, tell us all about your fond memories of Al Attles, Rick Barry, Jamaal Wilkes and Phil Smith. What was the atmosphere like inside the Cow Palace? That shit must have been insane!

[monosylab1k]

32 years is longer than 27 years. But since you're not a frontrunning douche, tell us all about your fond memories of Al Attles, Rick Barry, Jamaal Wilkes and Phil Smith. What was the atmosphere like inside the Cow Palace? That shit must have been insane!
I doubt he's even old enough to remember their one year of Chris Webber.

[Findog]

I doubt he's even old enough to remember their one year of Chris Webber.

Or Joe Barry Carroll, Sleepy Floyd, World B Free, Robert Parish or Nate Thurmond. He probably thinks Run TMC is a pioneering hip-hop group.

[Findog]

I mean, seriously, dubsball, you should play the 8 seed card. It's pretty lame to go with the "title I wasn't alive for" card.

Nice of the Warriors fans to wait until AFTER they won a playoff series to begin repping their team.

[dubsball]

Nice of the Warriors fans to wait until AFTER they won a playoff series to begin repping their team.

Ditto ;)

I think it's safe to say I'm beyond my "warm-welcoming" period on here. Look forward to more debates with you guys.