Official Tiago Splitter Thread

[BIG z]

I think next year we should trade Tiago to Mavs...

[Cansal]

hi everyone yesterday Tiago played and incredible game :toast :fro and helped us to win bilbao. He made a great job again, 18 ptos in just 22 or 24 minutes. I don't know what are going to happen next season if Tiago go to nba, I just know that where he goes, he will do and incredible job becouse he is a big professional and every time he works for the team with his points, blocks, defense.... HE IS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :spin :spin

[manufor3]

Splitter!

[T Park]

Yeah every day that passes, I think it shows the Spurs liked Splitter more than Scola and thought there was only room for 1.

[Mr. Body]

Is it true Buford's been antagonizing him with emails about rebounding more?

[ChumpDumper]

That would be warranted.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

TAU is very big rival of Panathinaikos. We will be pay very close attention in game of playoff with TAU and PAO if Panathinaikos beat Partizan in next game.

[whottt]

Just out of curiosity...


How is Tau doing this season compared to last season?


I want to see how much of an impact losing the greatest player in history had on them.

[picnroll]

Just out of curiosity...


How is Tau doing this season compared to last season?


I want to see how much of an impact losing the greatest player in history had on them.
How are the Rockets doing with him?

[J_Paco]

How many possible roster spots could the team have available this off-season? I'm sure they'd figure out some way of having both Ian and Tiago here next season.

So, I believe they'd be looking for help at the swingman spots, I think Finley's gone, and (finally) developing a young third point guard. Does anyone see things differently, and how much of an impact can Tiago and Ian have?

[T Park]

I say Tiago comes in and replaces Horry, Ian stays in Austin one more year.

[T Park]

If Tiago is as good as billed and Ian improves to where hes good enough to play with Duncan and or Kurt Thomas, then I'd say package up Oberto and see what he can get you.

[timvp]

I say Tiago comes in and replaces Horry, Ian stays in Austin one more year.Spurs and Mahinmi have both said he'll be on the Spurs next season. I highly doubt they can convince him to do another year in D-League.

Gotta open up another spot ...

[ChumpDumper]

Ian would be on the roster regardless -- why would another spot have to be opened?

[whottt]

How are the Rockets doing with him?


The Rockets added a coach who has taken two teams to the NBA finals and is one of the few to have won 50 games with 3 different teams(about to be 4).



Tau OTOH...lost the MVP...


That's like the Spurs losing Duncan...in theory.


I'm just curious as to if it's showing up in their won lost record.



Call it a hunch...but I bet they haven't even noticed he's gone record wise.


Splitter's numbers are better than Scola's...

[J_Paco]

Spurs and Mahinmi have both said he'll be on the Spurs next season. I highly doubt they can convince him to do another year in D-League.

Gotta open up another spot ...

Well, this what the Spurs roster could look like (without filling lost spots)

PG. Tony Parker
SG. Manu Ginobili
SG. Brent Barry
SF. Bruce Bowen
SG/SF. Ime Udoka
PF/C. Tim Duncan
PF. Ian Mahinmhi (mispelled his last name)
PF. Matt Bonner
C/PF. Fabricio Oberto
C/PF. Tiago Splitter

That's only 10 players, I could be missing someone, leaving 5 spots open for drafted, re-signed, or free-agent players. I believe the team would be solid next season with that group, another (athletic) swingman, veteran point guard (Vaugn or Stoudamire) and some developing players in the D-League/in-active list.

[ChumpDumper]

Tau's records

ACB Regular Season

06/07: 26-8 (1st)

07/08: 18-7 (currently 4th)

Euroleague

06/07: 12-2 preliminary, 6-0 final 16

07/08: 9-5 preliminary, 5-0 final 16

[timvp]

Ian would be on the roster regardless -- why would another spot have to be opened?If the Spurs re-sign Thomas and Splitter comes over, that's seven bigs -- six if Horry retires. But even if Horry retires, six is still t0o many. The sixth big would be in street clothes and the fifth big would rarely play.

Plus, the FO doesn't believe in stockpiling redundant talent. They'd trade a couple pieces away to make room for the players they most believe in. It'd be interesting to know how the FO rates the bigmen going forward.

[whottt]

Tau's records

ACB Regular Season

06/07: 26-8 (1st)

07/08: 18-7 (currently 4th)


Well there you go...a little drop but not much. The little drop could just as easily be explained by Splitter not being backed up by Splitter like Scola was...as it is by Scola leaving.





Euroleague

06/07: 12-2 preliminary, 6-0 final 16

07/08: 9-5 preliminary, 5-0 final 16



Interesting...as the level of competition goes up, Scola's absence makes less and less of a difference. In fact, they notice him being gone at the highest level, not at all?

Why am I not surprised by that?



And since all Scola did beyond that level was choke....it's hard for me to see Tau being worse off.

[ChumpDumper]

If the Spurs re-sign Thomas and Splitter comes over, that's seven bigs -- six if Horry retires. But even if Horry retires, six is still t0o many. The sixth big would be in street clothes and the fifth big would rarely play.We have six on a 14 man roster now.


Plus, the FO doesn't believe in stockpiling redundant talent.Right, they wouldn't do anything crazy like have two three-point shooting PFs on the team at one time.

[timvp]

We have six on a 14 man roster now.There's this team called the Austin Toros. One of those six you are counting plays with that team. You should check them out.


Right, they wouldn't do anything crazy like have two three-point shooting PFs on the team at one time.And they rotate which games they play in. Add another one or two to the mix and then come up with a rotation. Or nominate one to play in that Toros team I told you about above.

[pad300]

Regarding assorted comments on this thread. There's a 15 man roster with 12 players active per night.

1) TiMVP, I have to side with Chump on this one. I expect the spurs to carry 6 bigs next year (just like they did this year Duncan, Mahinmi, Horry, Bonner, Oberto, Elson (later traded for Thomas). I expect the bigs to look like this Duncan, Mahinmi, Bonner, Oberto, Splitter, and another Veteran. I expect the added veteran to be Kurt, simply on the basis that we can resign him using Bird rights money, and not impact our available exceptions... As far as one of the bigs being a Toro, I expect either Ian or Splitter to spend time as a Toro, and if not, I think Bonner & Oberto should look into buying a suit they can alternate using (they are both 6'10" IIRC...).

Regarding what happens with the roster (Paco's Comments),
Pretty much locks
Bigs - Duncan, Oberto, Bonner, Splitter, Mahinmi
Wings - Manu, Bowen, Udoka, Barry
PG's - Parker, Vaughn

Barry cheated in the game of musical chairs he and Finley were going to play (re-signing this season for multiple seasons) for the spot of old reliable wing player...
Vaughn is back simply because he's been decent according to salary cap sites has another guaranteed year.

This leaves us needing a Veteran Big, a PG, and 2 Wings...

I say veteran big, because I can't see Pop wanting to go into a season with 3 of his 6 bigs being in the big show for the 1st time. I therefore expect Thomas to resign. He's shown no signs of slowing down, and we can use Bird right money, not impacting our exceptions. I expect he gets 6-8 Million over 2 years (08/09 and 09/10)

The PG and both Wing spots are a lot more hazy. We have a draft pick (Currently 22, it's bouncing around a lot). I hope we don't draft a point; I have no faith in Pop giving a rook PG the time needed to develop if he has veteran options. Therefore, assuming we draft a wing in the 1st (PS, we cannot directly trade away the pick - we would have to trade after drafting [Which has salary cap implications], as we have traded our 2009 pick; you can't trade so as to leave you without a 1st round pick in 2 consecutive drafts). There are likely to be several prospects available at that point - Bill Walker, Tyler Smith, Brandon Rush, Sam Young, Courtney Lee... This would leave us needing a wing and a PG. There should be several decent options at PG as FA's (For backups at least) - Duhon, Cassell, Stoudamire, Darius Washington, even Billy Spanoulis (although this would make me cry - having to deal with all the "Billy"-spam !). We would be in the bidding range for any of these with the LLE. That would leave us with the entire MLE for a wing. The only problem is that I expect us to want to issue a n odd contract - likely something like 2 guaranteed years at the full MLE... This will likely limit us to second tier FA's.

[diego]

regular season: tau so far is 3rd at 18-7, last year they finished 1st 26-8, although they were 19-6 at this point of the season last year.

playoffs: last year they lost the semis. the only time TAU won an ACB league title was in 02 with Scola playing (nocioni too). they lost both 05 and 06 finals. its yet to be seen how they fare this year.

Other: they won the supercopa, but lost the copa del rey finals. they have already qualified for quarterfinals of euroleague.
last year they finished 4th overall in euroleague, didnt make the finals of copa del rey, but they also won the supercopa last year and the one before that. scola did win copa del rey 3 times, 02, 04, and 06.

you might be on to something, we'll see how the season ends. so far all they have is a supercup, which is the easiest of all the competitions.

[remingtonbo2001]

What if Bonner gets moved to a SF/PF spot. You then relagate Mahnimi to an understudy role for the season. Concerning our bigs rotation, I wouldn't make any off-season trades. I would wait until mid-season, and see how the rotations pan out early on. Would Oberto be in the final year of his contract next season, or did he recently sign an extension?

[diego]

i dont think bonner can play SF; still, there is room for 6 bigs, provided one is a project/insurance type.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Not about Splitter, but regarding next season, how do you guys feel about drafting Lester Hudson with the first pick?

[whottt]

I'd rather see the Spurs tank as much as possibe to still make the playoffs and somehow trade up to get Kevin Love...


You want a rebounding 3 shooting compliment to Duncan at the PF slot? There he is. Plus he can pass...and he can play around the basket almost as good as Duncan.


I know it seems kind of ridiculous to bring up drafting him...but some mocks have had him going as low as the 19th pick...right now the Spurs would have the 20th.




He's your 3 shooting big to replace Horry...and he can do a lot more than that.

[ChumpDumper]

There's this team called the Austin Toros. One of those six you are counting plays with that team. You should check them out.Ian is on the Spurs roster now and will be next season. His playing on the Toros doesn't change that one iota.


And they rotate which games they play in. Add another one or two to the mix and then come up with a rotation. Or nominate one to play in that Toros team I told you about above.Not everyone will play. That's how NBA teams work.

Six bigs on a 15-man roster is fine.

[yavozerb]

Love will go in the top 10 after he goes off in the tourney...I think a player like anthony randolph (lsu sf) would fit in nicely with the spurs..

[whottt]

Love will go in the top 10 after he goes off in the tourney...I think a player like anthony randolph (lsu sf) would fit in nicely with the spurs..


I'm not so sure...teams are worried about his NBA viability...if he has some bad defensive matchups he could actually come out of it worse than he went into it.


But FWIW, yeah I looked and his draft stock has improved considerably in recent weeks...I wonder why it was so low to begin with...

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well there you go...a little drop but not much. The little drop could just as easily be explained by Splitter not being backed up by Splitter like Scola was...as it is by Scola leaving.






Interesting...as the level of competition goes up, Scola's absence makes less and less of a difference. In fact, they notice him being gone at the highest level, not at all?

Why am I not surprised by that?



And since all Scola did beyond that level was choke....it's hard for me to see Tau being worse off.


5 place team of Spanish league big difference from 1 place team. You must understand if finish 5 place in Spanish league you get relegate to ULEB Cup from Euroleague. So TAU be in 4 place right now not exact small drop as you think.

[whottt]

5 place team of Spanish league big difference from 1 place team. You must understand if finish 5 place in Spanish league you get relegate to ULEB Cup from Euroleague. So TAU be in 4 place right now not exact small drop as you think.


This year: 18-7

Last year at this same time: 19-6


It's not hard to assume that a good team is going to go on a 3-4 game winning streak to finish the season.

[pad300]

I'd rather see the Spurs tank as much as possibe to still make the playoffs and somehow trade up to get Kevin Love...


You want a rebounding 3 shooting compliment to Duncan at the PF slot? There he is. Plus he can pass...and he can play around the basket almost as good as Duncan.


I know it seems kind of ridiculous to bring up drafting him...but some mocks have had him going as low as the 19th pick...right now the Spurs would have the 20th.




He's your 3 shooting big to replace Horry...and he can do a lot more than that.

Kevin Love is NOT a 3. He will never, and never has, played the 3. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Love-1062/

If you want a Horry type, the closest I think you might come in this draft is Gallinari.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/

However, we are not moving up enough to get him, unless he has a motorcycle accident between now and the draft...

There are a few players who will show up in the 2nd round if they show at all, who might develop into a Horry type.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Pat-Calathes-1373/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shawn-James-361/

[Bruno]

Splitter scored today 21 points and grab 7 boards in 31 minutes. it was a meaningless game for his team because Tau was still qualified for the quarter finals.
Tau will now play a best of 3 serie against Partizan (a Serbian team). Splitter will have an interesting matchup against Pekovic.

Panathinaikos lost against Partizan today and is eliminated.

[Cansal]

SPLITTER THE BEST OF TAU!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tau Ceramica
# Player Min Pts 2FG
M-A 3FG
M-A FT
M-A Rebounds As St To Bl Fouls Rkg
O D T Fv Ag Cm Rv
5 PRIGIONI, PABLO
21:08 5 1/5 2/2 2 2 2 1 4 1 2 3
6 GARCIA, ANDER
DNP - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
8 RAKOCEVIC, IGOR
26:22 2 0/4 0/1 2/2 2 2 1 4 1 2 -3
9 VIDAL, SERGI
19:52 5 1/3 1/3 0/1 3 3 1 1 2 2 3
10 PLANINIC, ZORAN
21:44 2 1/4 0/2 3 3 4 1 3 2
11 FERNANDEZ, LUCHO
DNP - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
12 TELETOVIC, MIRZA
18:20 9 3/5 1/3 2 1 3 1 1 1 3 1 7
13 JASAITIS, SIMAS
04:59 0/1 1
15 SINGLETON, JAMES
11:52 2 1/3 1 2 3 2 2 1 2
21 SPLITTER, TIAGO
31:26 21 9/11 3/4 2 5 7 1 1 1 1 2 5 28
30 MUONEKE, GABE
18:22 7 2/4 3/3 4 4 2 1 2 8
33 MICKEAL, PETE
25:55 6 3/5 0/1 1 3 4 1 1 4 3 2 4
Team 1 1 1
TOTALS 200:00 59 20/39 3/16 10/12 6 26 32 9 7 19 3 2 17 16 54

[T Park]

Splitter scored today 21 points and grab 7 boards in 31 minutes. it was a meaningless game for his team because Tau was still qualified for the quarter finals.
Tau will now play a best of 3 serie against Partizan (a Serbian team). Splitter will have an interesting matchup against Pekovic.

Panathinaikos lost against Partizan today and is eliminated.

nuhhhhhh iiiiceee :tu

Splitter can't get here fast enough.

[ChumpDumper]

Panathinaikos lost against Partizan today and is eliminated.
:spless:

[Spurs Brazil]

Splitter scored today 21 points and grab 7 boards in 31 minutes. it was a meaningless game for his team because Tau was still qualified for the quarter finals.
Tau will now play a best of 3 serie against Partizan (a Serbian team). Splitter will have an interesting matchup against Pekovic.

Panathinaikos lost against Partizan today and is eliminated.

So Billy couldn't save them :blah

:lol :lol :lol

[T Park]

Is Partizan not a good squad?

I wish there was a way to watch more euroleague games over here, its so hard to know whos good and who isn't.

[whottt]

Kevin Love is NOT a 3. He will never, and never has, played the 3. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Love-1062/


Hmmm...I think you misread what I wrote. At no point did I say Kevin Love was a 3.




If you want a Horry type, the closest I think you might come in this draft is Gallinari.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/

Since this is about the 3...Horry hasn't played the 3 since about 1997.

I appreciate the links...but I'd still take Love and he is more of an Horry type than any college 3 you want to bring up.

[Bruno]

Is Partizan not a good squad?

Partizan is a quite good team especially at home. they have a lot of good young players. The only player you should know is Milt Palacio who scored 24 points today against Panathinaikos.
Tau has the HCA and should beat them.



I wish there was a way to watch more euroleague games over here, its so hard to know whos good and who isn't.

Euroleague has launched this year a webcast similar to nba league pass broadband.

[T Park]

Milt Palacio

Yeah I think i remember him...

Point guard?

Im struggling to remember...

[whottt]

Yeah I think i remember him...

Point guard?

Im struggling to remember...


Yeap PG(who can't pass) who last played in the NBA for the Jazz....

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Partizan is good they have Peckovic. He is probably much better player than Splitter.

As many PAO fan expect team lose because Saras have ruin team. Most my friend I know want get rid of him. Now we know why he hate so much by coaches of NBA. He very selfish player.

[Bruno]

As many PAO fan expect team lose because Saras have ruin team. Most my friend I know want get rid of him. Now we know why he hate so much by coaches of NBA. He very selfish player.

Sorry for the loss. Green fans are great and don't deserve that.

Is it true that Spanoulis and Jasikevicius have some relationsip troubles ?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Sorry for the loss. Green fans are great and don't deserve that.

Is it true that Spanoulis and Jasikevicius have some relationsip troubles ?

Yes same thing that happen with Lakovic before. Coach Obradovic though have to get rid of Lakovic for similar problem. We not think Saras like this but it seem he also same way.

Coach want spanoulis to play as point guard but Saras have issue with this just like Lakovic. They insist they must play point guard. Team have to many guard good guard to have to deal with this same thing again. Also just like Jaka Saras refuse play defense
:rolleyes

But we have been talk with Peckovic and Koufos about sign them.

[Hemotivo]

too many stars

[T Park]

Bruno,

In your opinion you know euro players fantasticly, how good is this spanoulis? Is he worth bringing back over if hes willing?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

too many stars
Yes but also we have starting power forward and center injure most of season and team not able deal with such thing. Olympiacos probable beat Real Madrid in game tomorrow.

This mean they top 8 team of Euroleague. PAO still expect win Greek Cup and Greek Championship over them so we know what good team we have still better than top 8 team. It just main problem the injury to PF and C for most of year and also Saras have so much effort try be star of team :depressed

He not able understand PAO team not play like this. Obradovic want team play more as Rockets team have learn play with Adelman. But Saras still try play like superstar offense with him control everything. Maybe we can sell him to Spanish team.

Peckovic player of Partizan is great player. Spurs have interest in drafts him?

[Bruno]

Bruno,

In your opinion you know euro players fantasticly, how good is this spanoulis? Is he worth bringing back over if hes willing?

I like Spanoulis and I think that he could become a good NBA player.
Saying that there is now some red flags: he has failed a first time in NBA with Houston and he hasn't be very good this season in Euroleague.

I would sign him only on the cheap and without guaranteeing him playing time.
If he doesn't agree with that, Spurs could try another young PG via draft or FA.

And you're right to mention Spanoulis willingness to come back in NBA. KBP said that he will be back only if Pana won the Euroleague, Greek cup and Greek championship. It won't be the case since they are out of the Euroleague. I also doubt NBA teams will offer him a big contract after his so-so season. Spanoulis will likely have to take a pay cut to come back in NBA.

[Cansal]

Yesterday Tau lost with Leon and Splitter made a great job, in 23min made 16ptos, 7rebounds, 3blocks, 2 or3 assistants for 19value.

[mystargtr34]

When does Splitter go against Pekovic ? Mid Week?

I saw that Pekovic is only 21? I saw him play i thought he was 30+.

[mystargtr34]

Marc Gasol seems to be dominating that league... how do you compare him to Tiago?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

When does Splitter go against Pekovic ? Mid Week?

I saw that Pekovic is only 21? I saw him play i thought he was 30+.

When playoff series start between two teams. Peckovic is best big man of Europe IMO.

[Cansal]

Marc Gasol seems to be dominating that league... how do you compare him to Tiago?
This is the question who makes someone who just see the statistics but don't see the games. If you see all the games, you can know that Gasol is a great player ok, Mark is in a team who is in the 8 or 9 position in ACB, I don't think they will play the playoffs and besides he is the only start in his team. However, Tiago plays in one of the best team of europe, the competence in his team is terrific becouse if you don't play 100% the president and the couch decide that you don't have to play. I would like to see Mark next year playing in a team like Madrid, Barca or Tau!!!!!!!!!!! how many shoots, rebounds, blocks,,,,,,,,,he will make? be realise, you can't compare bouth. Besides, another question? who is most determinate for his selection Mark or Tiago? Who is playing since was 15???????? sincerely, belive me, if Tiago play in a team like Girona of course he will be the most value player in acb. :hungry: :hungry: :hungry:

[ECZ]

I haven't really been keeping up with the transaction rumors on Splitter.

When exactly is he supposed to begin his NBA career and join the Spurs here in the US?

[TheProfessor]

I haven't really been keeping up with the transaction rumors on Splitter.

When exactly is he supposed to begin his NBA career and join the Spurs here in the US?
From what I know, Splitter can and will be bought out this year (next season) for $1 million.

[ECZ]

From what I know, Splitter can and will be bought out this year (next season) for $1 million.

Cool...hopefully the spurs can pair him up with mahinmi and see what they can do

[picnroll]

Splitter didn't play in Tau's game today. Is there an injury problem?

[Bruno]

Nothing serious. Splitter should play on Tuesday in Euroleague.

[xmas1997]

If all goes well we will see not only Splitter, Mahinmi, and Spanoulis all playing on the Spurs next season.

[WalterBenitez]

Any news about him coming to SAS next season?

[mystargtr34]

^ That would be pretty cool to see 3 new guys with potential on the Spurs roster next season... much needed youth.

I think Tiago can crack the rotation and hopefully establish himself as the first big off the bench... i think asking him to establish himself as a starter in his first season given his background and age may be asking a bit too much.

Hopefully Iani can eventually crack the rotation and maybe be a 12-15 minute guy a night and learn along the way...

Spanoulis... well i dont expect him to ever come back but ill admit i would like to see him... given his age and style of play.

[Bruno]

Any news about him coming to SAS next season?

http://www.baskonia.com/es/noticias_explicacion.asp?id_noticia=526


A su vez el club realizará "el máximo esfuerzo posible" por intentar que Tiago Splitter siga con el TAU Cerámica las próximas temporadas. El presidente del club vitoriano esta "casi convencido" de que el pívot fichará este verano por alguna franquicia de la NBA, a pesar de que su contrato marca tres años más con el conjunto baskonista. "Estamos en la obligación de intentar que continúe. Si hay alguna posibilidad de que él se quede con nosotros, la vamos a agotar" sentenció el máximo responsable del club.

[mystargtr34]

English?

[Kindergarten Cop]

If all goes well we will see not only Splitter, Mahinmi, and Spanoulis all playing on the Spurs next season.

I apologize for asking, because I'm sure it's probably already been discussed ad nauseum - I realize that we released Vasileios Spanoulis from his contract before the season began, but do we still own his rights? The wording on the Wikipedia article is kind of strange.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasileios_Spanoulis

Spanoulis originally stated that after the first year of his contract he might opt out of it and return to San Antonio to play in the NBA again, as the Spurs still would have liked to have retained his services. Spanoulis also initially said that he was interested in returning to play with them for the 2008-09 season, but could not play with them during 2007-08 because of his mother's poor health.

Anyways, if he were to choose to play in the NBA next season would it have to be with San Antonio? What do you think the odds of him playing with us next year are if so? Thanks in advance for the help.

[timvp]

The club will as well make "the maximum effort possible" to try that Tiago Splitter follows with the Ceramic TAU the next seasons. The president of the vitoriano club this "almost convinced" that pívot will fichará east summer by some tax exemption of the NBA, although its contract marks three years more with the baskonista set. "We are in the obligation to try that it continues. If there is some possibility that it remains with us, we are going it to exhaust "sentenced the maximum person in charge of the club.:pctoss

Tau better not find a way . . .

[xmas1997]

I apologize for asking, because I'm sure it's probably already been discussed ad nauseum - I realize that we released Vasileios Spanoulis from his contract before the season began, but do we still own his rights? The wording on the Wikipedia article is kind of strange.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasileios_Spanoulis

Spanoulis originally stated that after the first year of his contract he might opt out of it and return to San Antonio to play in the NBA again, as the Spurs still would have liked to have retained his services. Spanoulis also initially said that he was interested in returning to play with them for the 2008-09 season, but could not play with them during 2007-08 because of his mother's poor health.

Anyways, if he were to choose to play in the NBA next season would it have to be with San Antonio? What do you think the odds of him playing with us next year are if so? Thanks in advance for the help.

VSpan is indeed a free agent next season with a zero buyout.
He prefers the Spurs right now, but he is being courted by a bunch of teams, but the strongest push is coming from Houston and Benos' Sacramento among a bunch of others as well as S.A.
The odds he plays with us I think IMHO goes up substantially if Pop visits with him in the off season. I would rather have him backing up TP and Manu than Vaughn or Stoudamire.

[Kindergarten Cop]

VSpan is indeed a free agent next season with a zero buyout.
He prefers the Spurs right now, but he is being courted by a bunch of teams, but the strongest push is coming from Houston and Benos' Sacramento among a bunch of others as well as S.A.
The odds he plays with us I think IMHO goes up substantially if Pop visits with him in the off season. I would rather have him backing up TP and Manu than Vaughn or Stoudamire.

Thank you for your response. I'm curious though, why Houston is even being considered or why they would want him back. It appeared that they basically washed their hands of him (or was it just Van Gundy?).

[Bruno]

English?

Splitter will be a Spur next year.

[xmas1997]

Thank you for your response. I'm curious though, why Houston is even being considered or why they would want him back. It appeared that they basically washed their hands of him (or was it just Van Gundy?).

You answered your own question, it was all Van Gundy!
Adelman wants him badly, even to the point of offering starting minutes!

[mystargtr34]

Can we trade Spanoulis for Scola

[coopdogg3]

Can we trade Spanoulis for Scola

We might need to include a 2nd round pick.

:lol

[mystargtr34]

And take back a bad contract

[WalterBenitez]

http://www.baskonia.com/es/noticias_explicacion.asp?id_noticia=526

Scola's story by Tiago Splitter? :depressed

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

I hope they send him to the Rocket, Mavs, Suns, or Lakers

[Bruno]

Scola's story by Tiago Splitter? :depressed

First, Scola and Splitter cases are very different.
Second, Tau's president is saying that it's almost sure that Splitter will go in NBA this summer. Unless you don't want to see Splitter with Spurs, your reaction at this article should be more :elephant than :depressed.

[objective]

if Tau is committed to keeping Splitter, they're negotiating with the wrong party considering how sincere Splitter's NBA comments have always seemed.

The surefire way for Tau to keep Splitter is for them to buy off the Spurs.

Does anyone out there really doubt that the Spurs would take money to let Splitter stay in Europe? I sure don't. Hell, it's a serious possibility if it's allowed under FIBA.

Tau might be able to buy off the Spurs for as little as two million. Spurs sold Scola for a net amount more after all the tax implications but that was to send him to a rival in the NBA.

Keeping Splitter out of the NBA and picking up a couple of million might be how it all plays out.

[ChumpDumper]

if Tau is committed to keeping Splitter, they're negotiating with the wrong party considering how sincere Splitter's NBA comments have always seemed.

The surefire way for Tau to keep Splitter is for them to buy off the Spurs.

Does anyone out there really doubt that the Spurs would take money to let Splitter stay in Europe? I sure don't. Hell, it's a serious possibility if it's allowed under FIBA.

Tau might be able to buy off the Spurs for as little as two million. Spurs sold Scola for a net amount more after all the tax implications but that was to send him to a rival in the NBA.

Keeping Splitter out of the NBA and picking up a couple of million might be how it all plays out.Why would Tau have to buy out a player who is not under contract with the Spurs? That makes no sense.

All signs point to Splitter's acquisition being much easier than Scola's when the Spurs actually tried.

[objective]

not buying him out, just paying the Spurs to go away.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I hope they send him to the Rocket, Mavs, Suns, or Lakers
But that's because you're an idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

not buying him out, just paying the Spurs to go away.There is no provision for that. Why wouldn't they just give that money to Splitter?

[objective]

Splitter at least with his public comments is willing to forsake money to play in the NBA. He'll even be paying off the balance of his buyout if he does come to the states. Given the comments from Tau they seem to even know that offering money to Splitter might not be enough considering his passion to be in the NBA.

So the solution isn't to offer money to Splitter to stay, but to the Spurs to not sign Splitter.

[ChumpDumper]

So the solution isn't to offer money to Splitter to stay, but to the Spurs to not sign Splitter.Again, there is no provision for that.

[objective]

I wouldn't be so sure.

One, it wouldn't have to be so obvious or explicit, but two, the anti-collusion sections of the CBA only cover agreements between NBA teams, not NBA and international teams.

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/article-XIV.php


Subject to Section 2 below, no NBA Team, its employees or agents, will enter into any contracts, combinations or conspiracies, express or implied, with the NBA or any other NBA Team, their employees or agents: (a) to negotiate or not to negotiate with any Veteran or Rookie;


Something like I'm speculating about would likely fall under FIBA, as I already had as a qualifier, and I couldn't find anything on the FIBA site that would address it.

[ChumpDumper]

If it was possible, wouldn't Tau already have done that with Scola? Wouldn't we have heard about it happening with at least one player in the history of the NBA?

[objective]

maybe. But with Scola they knew that even if he left they'd still have Splitter. Now I'm not so sure they have anyone to fill Splitter's shoes, so they might be more desperate to keep him.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

How far is Splitter's jumpshot range?

[objective]

How far is Splitter's jumpshot range?

similar to Oberto's from what I've seen.

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

But that's because you're an idiot.



LMAO @ this idiot calling anyone an idiot for not seeing the sarcasm in what I said

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Well that's because you're such an idiot it's hard to tell what's sarcasm and what isn't.

[jag]

similar to Oberto's from what I've seen.

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

Wow, that makes me feel great.

[Bruno]

Tau won the first game of the best of 3 quarter final against Partizan.

Splitter quite struggles in this game. He picked 3 fouls in 5 min in the first half. He has had a good stint in the 3rd quarter before struggling again in the 4th quarter where he was unable to score against Pekovic who was also in foul trouble.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Tau won the first game of the best of 3 quarter final against Partizan.

Splitter quite struggles in this game. He picked 3 fouls in 5 min in the first half. He has had a good stint in the 3rd quarter before struggling again in the 4th quarter where he was unable to score against Pekovic who was also in foul trouble.

It is natural I think because he is against best center in Europe. He do OK as long as help his team win.

[mystargtr34]

It is natural I think because he is against best center in Europe. He do OK as long as help his team win.

You think Pekovic is better than Splitter?

What about in terms of NBA potential?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You think Pekovic is better than Splitter?

What about in terms of NBA potential?

Yes he is better.

[mystargtr34]

When is he entering the draft....

He looks really slow and not very mobile... suited to the European game.... you think he will get drafted?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

When is he entering the draft....

He looks really slow and not very mobile... suited to the European game.... you think he will get drafted?

If he is more suit to Europe what is Splitter then? He is better C than Splitter so if Pekovic is not suitable for NBA then Splitter must not be good for Spurs.

[mystargtr34]

If he is more suit to Europe what is Splitter then? He is better C than Splitter so if Pekovic is not suitable for NBA then Splitter must not be good for Spurs.
Well then whats your basis for saying Pekovic is better than Splitter. If he is better than Splitter, and also a year younger... im just surprised as to why he hasnt entered the draft yet.

Also ive seen him play a couple games, he is very skilled and he can really control games from the post, but there are other big men of his type, ala Marc Jackson, who are quite skilled and bulky with good size who play very well in Europe,,, but they struggle when they get to the NBA because theyr game is based below the rim.

[ss1986v2]

If he is more suit to Europe what is Splitter then? He is better C than Splitter so if Pekovic is not suitable for NBA then Splitter must not be good for Spurs.
wait, what? i dont follow the logic on this one. i think what the other poster was saying is that he doesnt think pekovics game will translate to the nba. splitter and pekovic dont have similar games, so the logic of your statement seems flawed.

as for pekovic, i actually like him, but not as a first round pick. he will end up getting snagged early in the 2nd IMO. the guy has a very intriguing body. hes built like a truck, and strong. reminds me of a more thick joel przybilla. and while his athleticism might be an issue, i dont think its a big enough flag to discourage interest in him. his game is another matter. from what ive seen (a handful of games this year, including the 2nd half of todays game), i dont think hes the most skilled offensive player. lots of easy dunks and put backs over smaller, weaker players. and i dont mean to take everything away from him. even if his offensive game is limited, his strength and tenacity alone is going to make him an interesting prospect.

[FirebatMIV]

If he is more suit to Europe what is Splitter then? He is better C than Splitter so if Pekovic is not suitable for NBA then Splitter must not be good for Spurs.

That's pretty idiotic. There are some players better suited for Europe than the NBA. If Pekovic is as unathletic as he sometimes looks, he might be one of those said players.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well then whats your basis for saying Pekovic is better than Splitter. If he is better than Splitter, and also a year younger... im just surprised as to why he hasnt entered the draft yet.

Also ive seen him play a couple games, he is very skilled and he can really control games from the post, but there are other big men of his type, ala Marc Jackson, who are quite skilled and bulky with good size who play very well in Europe,,, but they struggle when they get to the NBA because theyr game is based below the rim.

You must make silly joke. He is maybe WORST big man defender in all Greek league and is so poor he is cut from Olympiacos team for poor play on defense. Coach even keep track of how many point he give up and almost twice as many as he score. Jackson is crap player even in Greek league level. Pekovic is many time better player than him. Coincidence Olympiacos play terrible when he play big minute then play very good when he get bench then cut from team?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

wait, what? i dont follow the logic on this one. i think what the other poster was saying is that he doesnt think pekovics game will translate to the nba. splitter and pekovic dont have similar games, so the logic of your statement seems flawed.

as for pekovic, i actually like him, but not as a first round pick. he will end up getting snagged early in the 2nd IMO. the guy has a very intriguing body. hes built like a truck, and strong. reminds me of a more thick joel przybilla. and while his athleticism might be an issue, i dont think its a big enough flag to discourage interest in him. his game is another matter. from what ive seen (a handful of games this year, including the 2nd half of todays game), i dont think hes the most skilled offensive player. lots of easy dunks and put backs over smaller, weaker players. and i dont mean to take everything away from him. even if his offensive game is limited, his strength and tenacity alone is going to make him an interesting prospect.


He can be similar player for Spurs as Rasho but maybe better than Rasho possible even if he keep develop at this rate. He have actual ability score in post. I not sure Splitter can be such player for Spurs but it hard to judge until we see him in NBA.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

That's pretty idiotic. There are some players better suited for Europe than the NBA. If Pekovic is as unathletic as he sometimes looks, he might be one of those said players.

Spanoulis is maybe fastest and quickest player in Europe and how many of the "he more suit to Europe" crap posts we see from fans of NBA? I not even sure what such statement mean anymore.

Diamantidis is very slow player and is more suit to Europe than NBA but he is POINT GUARD. Pekovic is CENTER and strong even compare as NBA center. How fast is centers of NBA? Sure must be Pekovic be faster than Yao Ming.

[mystargtr34]

Spanoulis is maybe fastest and quickest player in Europe and how many of the "he more suit to Europe" crap posts we see from fans of NBA? I not even sure what such statement mean anymore.

Diamantidis is very slow player and is more suit to Europe than NBA but he is POINT GUARD. Pekovic is CENTER and strong even compare as NBA center. How fast is centers of NBA? Sure must be Pekovic be faster than Yao Ming.

It takes more than just speed but lets not get into a Spanoulis debate...

Pekovic vs Yao is a terrible comparison...

I just think Splitter will be a better NBA player than Pekovic... he is a much more fluid mover and will be a much more effective defender..

Pekovic doesnt look to be all that long either, which will give him even further problems if he steps up to the next level.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

It takes more than just speed but lets not get into a Spanoulis debate...

Pekovic vs Yao is a terrible comparison...

I just think Splitter will be a better NBA player than Pekovic... he is a much more fluid mover and will be a much more effective defender..

Pekovic doesnt look to be all that long either, which will give him even further problems if he steps up to the next level.

Maybe this true but right now Pekovic at Euroleague level is better player than Splitter.

Also part I mark about Spanoulis. Like I say always hear American fan say "not suit for NBA better for Europe" see this say so many time for many Euro players. And always they say "too slow not athletic enough cannot adjust against quicker faster more athlete player of NBA"

But like I say Spanoulis very maybe is fastest and quickest player of Europe and he always get say as "more suit to Europe" so what exact this "more suit to Europe" mean? It actual mean speed or just way of say "Euro player suck"?

Because it just made up for player like Spanoulis he "not fast enough for NBA". I think this "suit for Europe" is some made up craps. Player either good enough for NBA or not. No such thing as "more suit for Europe".

Spanoulis is MORE suit for NBA than Europe base on speed and style of play. But he "more suit to Europe" base on message board opinion.

I not sure this argument mean anything anymore. Like say it true in some case like Diamantidis but in some case where true not mean it should always be argument use almost for every Euro player.

[ss1986v2]

dont these two statements:

Player either good enough for NBA or not. No such thing as "more suit for Europe".


Diamantidis is very slow player and is more suit to Europe...
kinda contradict?

but i do get what you are saying. the "better suited" argument is way overused. but, as you even you pointed out, it does hold true for some players (and not just the really slow ones). and while id probably argue its not that big an issue for pekovic, you have to at least ask the questions.

and even you know the yao comparison isnt fair. yao is the slowest player in the entire league (by a good margin), but hes also extremely skilled as well as being as tall as a redwood. putting pekovic up against przybilla and rasho would be much more apt athleticism wise, and even then that might be his top end. that added to a potentially limited offensive skill set, and questions are going to be raised (which, along with contractual issues, will drop him into the 2nd round IMO).

but again, i like pekovic on the nba level at least as a project, and agree entirely on the pekovic > splitter comment as far as euro is concerned. thats not even really debatable with how pekovic has been playing this year.

[Bruno]

Pekovic isn't interested to play in NBA. He has said "I don't want to go in NBA. I just don't like this league."

He is automatically eligible in the 08 draft. He could have been a first round pick if he were ready to play in NBA next year.

It will be interesting to see if a team will spend a draft pick on him with the hope that he changed his mind on the NBA one day.

[JPB]

Pekovic = diva

[mystargtr34]

Could you guys post some information on Pekovic.... other than just stats and height.. i dont know much about him to be honest

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Pekovic isn't interested to play in NBA. He has said "I don't want to go in NBA. I just don't like this league."

He is automatically eligible in the 08 draft. He could have been a first round pick if he were ready to play in NBA next year.

It will be interesting to see if a team will spend a draft pick on him with the hope that he changed his mind on the NBA one day.

Yes he have same opinion as Diamantidis. Diamantidis have been offers MLE before by some NBA teams and refuse and say similar things as "I do not like NBA league or game or teams."

[Alain]

Wow!
Awesome suite of posts here! (well, except mine of course)
Great quality, arguments, informations, willing to find an agreement...
Keep on going, guys!!

[whottt]

Yes he have same opinion as Diamantidis. Diamantidis have been offers MLE before by some NBA teams and refuse and say similar things as "I do not like NBA league or game or teams."


I thought Diamandtidis said he didn't want to play in the NBA because he doesn't think he has the speed to play the NBA game...


FWIW...I think he could play in the NBA, and I wanted the Spurs to sign him a couple of years ago.

He wouldn't be as good over here...but he'd still a good player over here, better than many.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I thought Diamandtidis said he didn't want to play in the NBA because he doesn't think he has the speed to play the NBA game...


FWIW...I think he could play in the NBA, and I wanted the Spurs to sign him a couple of years ago.

He wouldn't be as good over here...but he'd still a good player over here, better than many.

Both but he have speed for NBA it just he have to play SF. Diamantidis is really point forward but he get big head and want only play point guard. He is Bowen type player and will be SF in NBA or should be I think. Except he have more offense ability than Bowen. Still his offense is very poor.

He is player always say he hate NBA he has say this every time he is ask about it. Trust me Spanoulis is much better player.

[xmas1997]

I just hope Spanoulis comes and plays for the Spurs and not some other team like Houston or Sacramento.
He would be the ideal backup for Tony and a little for Manu too.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I just hope Spanoulis comes and plays for the Spurs and not some other team like Houston or Sacramento.
He would be the ideal backup for Tony and a little for Manu too.

He is weight lifting almost ever day so if he come back to NBA he is big enough to also play SG. He is do the weight lifting 5 hour each day I think 5 time during week.

But I think some problem maybe for him come. Because Panathinaikos owner tell reporters that Saras will stays with team this after they keep asking because he play poor and is bust and cost so much. Also because coach mad at him for ego and ball hogging in Euroleague.

Panathinaikos owner say Saras is stay with team then after press already start says that owner is already try send him to Barcelona so can hand the team to Spanoulis. Owner name Spanoulis as "franchise" player and say "it will take me to turn crazy for me to give him up again"

So it seem they will try send Saras to Barcelona and this would make Spanoulis much more happy with role in team. So he have less reason to leave. But I think if owner really try keep Saras NBA team can get Spanoulis. Because Panathinaikos team is go no place unless Saras change ways and he will not.

I not sure about Kings now because Udrih have play well for them. They should just want to keep Udrih. But the GM and owners of Kings team recent time contact Spanoulis agent and said they would like him as starter at point guard. This should not be problem for them now since Udrih is play well. But Kings have been team with most interest for long time. Spanoulis tell me when I ask about which team interest that Kings try trade Artest to Rockets to get him and then they make him starter at point guard instead Rockets gm decide he rather have Scola than Artest. This in off season before Udrih is with them.

Spanoulis would have stay to be starter but he say to me that Rockets actual want to make Artest trade and turn it down because they not want Spanoulis get start spot with Kings. They want punish him for demand out of contract.

Anyway thing work good for Rockets get Scola, Kings get Udrih, PAO get Spanoulis but Spurs gets cap reliefs only.

[mystargtr34]

Im hoping Spanoulis will make the trip back over... i think we all know he has the talent to play in the league... its if he really wants it.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Partizan win over TAU today by 76-55

Pekovic have 19 point 5 rebound and 22 player ranking

Splitter have 3 point 3 rebound and 8 player ranking

[TheProfessor]

Partizan win over TAU today by 76-55

Pekovic have 19 point 5 rebound and 22 player ranking

Splitter have 3 point 3 rebound and 8 player ranking
Yikes. What accounted for Splitter's poor showing?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Yikes. What accounted for Splitter's poor showing?

Like I say he is go up against real best C of Europe now.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

But what accounted for his poor showing.

[mystargtr34]

Like I say he is go up against real best C of Europe now.
Now i know why your all over Pekovic's nuts now..... hes going to Pana next year :lol

This isnt good for Splitter... but Pekovic's defense is pretty average so i cant see that being the factor.

[mystargtr34]

Wow Splitter played 13 minutes...

Took only 3 shots

What the fuck is up with that

[Bruno]

Splitter struggled a lot on the offensive end in this game.
He was mainly defended by Vranes (a typical white big stiff). Splitter was just uninspired and mechanical.
Splitter was also out-muscled on the boards and picked too much fouls.
The only positive for him in this game was his defense.

It's a game to forget for Splitter and Tau.
Game 3 will be at Tau on Wednesday.

[pad300]

Now i know why your all over Pekovic's nuts now..... hes going to Pana next year :lol

This isnt good for Splitter... but Pekovic's defense is pretty average so i cant see that being the factor.

He's all over Pekovic's nuts, I'll give you that... But Pekovic is pretty good. He's doing as well as Gasol did in Euroleague when he came over - in his first real shot at Euroleague competition. Euroleague play level has gotten better since Gasol came. And Pekovic isn't yet shown to be a softie a la Gasol... He'd be a VERY nice 2nd round pick.

[Bruno]

Tau lost yesterday against Joventut. Rudy Fernandez scored 28 points, Splitter scored 7 points and grabbed 4 rebounds.

Anyway, I doubt that BB is the first thing in Splitter's mid right now.
Tiago's little sister, who is 18 years old, fought for 3 years against a leukaemia. She was healthy again and was even selected with Brazilian basketball NT. Two weeks ago, she felt bad and doctors discovered that the leukaemia was back. :depressed

[Spurs Brazil]

Tau lost yesterday against Joventut. Rudy Fernandez scored 28 points, Splitter scored 7 points and grabbed 4 rebounds.

Anyway, I doubt that BB is the first thing in Splitter's mid right now.
Tiago's little sister, who is 18 years old, fought for 3 years against a leukaemia. She was healthy again and was even selected with Brazilian basketball NT. Two weeks ago, she felt bad and doctors discovered that the leukaemia was back. :depressed

True

Sad

I hope she can get better

[Bruno]

Tau won the last game against Partizan.
Splitter has had a great game with 18 points, 9 rebounds and a 27 statistical evaluation.
I can't say more because I've missed a big part of the game.

Anyway, it's a great win for Tau. They do as well as last year by reaching the final four.
The next game is on May 2nd against CSKA Moskow. TAU won't be favorite but their Euroleague campaign is still a success.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Tau won the last game against Partizan.
Splitter has had a great game with 18 points, 9 rebounds and a 27 statistical evaluation.
I can't say more because I've missed a big part of the game.

Anyway, it's a great win for Tau. They do as well as last year by reaching the final four.
The next game is on May 2nd against CSKA Moskow. TAU won't be favorite but their Euroleague campaign is still a success.

Yes it to much to ask to beat team such as CSKA.

[T Park]

Keep it up Tiago :tu

God can't wait till he comes over this fall to camp!!

[koopa]

Tau won the last game against Partizan.
Splitter has had a great game with 18 points, 9 rebounds and a 27 statistical evaluation.
I can't say more because I've missed a big part of the game.

Anyway, it's a great win for Tau. They do as well as last year by reaching the final four.
The next game is on May 2nd against CSKA Moskow. TAU won't be favorite but their Euroleague campaign is still a success.

what the hell?? why do they wait so long to play agian?

[timvp]

What I don't get is that only the semi-finals are a best of three series. The final four is single elimination. Sounds backwards to me . . .

[ChumpDumper]

what the hell?? why do they wait so long to play agian?I imagine the national league playoffs are held in the meantime.

[picnroll]

Looks like Splitter kicked the butt of "the best big man in Europe" at least statistically.

[mystargtr34]

Yea Splitter was really outplayed in the second game by Pekovic.... but man he dominated this game three... and Pekovic was no where to be found.

[mystargtr34]

Tiago had 16 and 8 in the first half... while Pekovic went without a field goal

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Looks like Splitter kicked the butt of "the best big man in Europe" at least statistically.

Pekovic is better than him but no one say Splitter is not good player.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

what the hell?? why do they wait so long to play agian?

Because teams compete in 3 leagues domestic one cup one and continent one. At least if decent team anyway.

[whottt]

So basically Scola isn't missed...what a surprise.

It's going to be funny if Tau ends up overachieving late in the penultimate games with Splitter(as opposed to underachieving with Scola, the reason the Spurs did not keep Scola).


CSKA Moskow doesn't seem to be as good this year as they have been in recent years....I smell an upset looming.

[Harry Callahan]

It is clear the Spurs need some young guys in here to get the juices flowing again. This is one of those guys who can provide some energy (along with Mahimi). I'm looking forward to it next year.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So basically Scola isn't missed...what a surprise.

It's going to be funny if Tau ends up overachieving late in the penultimate games with Splitter(as opposed to underachieving with Scola, the reason the Spurs did not keep Scola).


CSKA Moskow doesn't seem to be as good this year as they have been in recent years....I smell an upset looming.

Papaloukas and Siskauskus are better than any player of TAU. CSKA should be able win.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

will he saves us from Shaq?

[velik_m]

What I don't get is that only the semi-finals are a best of three series. The final four is single elimination. Sounds backwards to me . . .

Because this is more fun.


CSKA Moskow doesn't seem to be as good this year as they have been in recent years....I smell an upset looming.

That's just because Smodis was injured for much of the season. He's getting back in the groove now.

[T Park]

Tiago seems more and more like the real deal.

[mystargtr34]

Papaloukas and Siskauskus are better than any player of TAU. CSKA should be able win.

Why arent they going to the NBA

[Cansal]

YES YES YES WE ARE GOING TO MADRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY TAU WONS PARTIZAN AND THE BEST THING WAS THAT SPLITTER SCORED 18PTOS FOR 27 OF VALUE!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND INCREDIBLE GAME, AGAIN THE MPV OF EUROLEAGUE :toast :toast . IN 2 QUARTERS, TIAGO MADES MORE VALUE THAN ALL PARTIZAN HE IS A MACHINE. THE PROBLEM WITH HIS SISTER IS TRUE AND HERE IN VITORIA ALL THE PEOPLE ARE SUPORTER HIM BECOUSE FIRST, HE IS AND INCREDIBLE PERSON AND SECOND TAU NEEDS HIM TO WIN THE FIRST F.4.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO LET,S GO TO MADRID TO MAKE HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :king :king NOBODY SAID THAT IT WOULD BE EASY BUY WHY NOT?????????????

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Why arent they going to the NBA

They make more than NBA MLE.

[T Park]

Great to hear Tiago is playing well.

Dude sounds more and more like someone who will make a difference in his first year.

[mystargtr34]

Tau lost to Barcelona last night in a 3rd vs 4th clash...

Splitter was up against former Magic lottery pick... Fran Vasquez

Splitter finished the game with 13 points on 4-6 shooting, 3 rebounds and 3 blocked shots and a player value of 19.

Vasquez finished with 12 on 4-10 shooting and 1 board in slightly less minutes.

Whats the deal with Vasquez and the Magic now? ie buyout and contract issues. Will we ever see him.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

His best shot at coming to the NBA will be this offseason.
Him and the Magic have both shown interest in bringing him over.

[T Park]

Vasquez is no longer "afraid of america"?

[Cansal]

TIAGO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VAZQUEZ :danceclub :danceclub :danceclub :danceclub I HAVE THE TICKETS FROM MADRID AND THIS YEAR WE ARE GOING TO WIN THE F.4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO IS CSKA??????????? WE WILL MAKE HISTORY :king :king I AM VERY EXACTING NOWBODY WILL CAME TO MADRID???????? CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR TEAM THI YEAR AGAIN ANOTHER RIN :king :clap :clap :clap WHEN IS THE FIRST GAME?

[Cansal]

TODAY TAU WINS VALLADOLID AND TIAGO NUMBERS ARE: 10PTOS, 7REBOUNDS, 2 ASSINTATS, 3 BLOCKS, 19 VOLUE........GREAT!!!!!!!!!!:downspin::downspin: AND THEN MORE................I´M GOING TO SEE SPURS!!!!!!!!!!:toast:toast

[Cansal]

TAU>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PAMESA AND TIAGO MAKES 19 PTOS, 7 REBOUNDS, 3 ASSISTANTS AND 21 VALUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1:toast:toast

[T Park]

19 points 7 boards 3 assists?

Hot damn :smokin

[anakha]

What stat does 'value' refer to?

[whottt]

What stat does 'value' refer to?

I'm not 100% certain exactly how it works but I think it's like an efficiency rating. I think it's based on various combined stats.

[anakha]

I'm not 100% certain exactly how it works but I think it's like an efficiency rating. I think it's based on various combined stats.

Alright, cool.

If the rating is anything like the Bird formula, then way to go Splitter.

[Bruno]

The formula used to calculate the efficiency in Spanish league is close to the NBA's one. The formula is :
(points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks + fouls drawn) - (FG missed + FT missed + turnovers + blocks against + fouls)

The same formula is used in Euroleague and is called Ranking (Rkg).

For reference , the NBA efficiency formula is :
(points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks) - (FG missed + FT missed + turnovers)

[anakha]

The formula used to calculate the efficiency in Spanish league is close to the NBA's one. The formula is :
(points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks + fouls drawn) - (FG missed + FT missed + turnovers + blocks against + fouls)

The same formula is used in Euroleague and is called Ranking (Rkg).

For reference , the NBA efficiency formula is :
(points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks) - (FG missed + FT missed + turnovers)

Now I don't want to derail this thread with formula talk, but...

If my understanding of 'FG missed' is correct - should a player really get penalized twice for getting a shot blocked (FG missed plus block against)?

[mystargtr34]

I think penalising a player for getting his shot blocked is a bit silly.... you would rather a player attack a defender and take it up strong... if you get blocked u get blocked.... chances are you get to the foul line and get the defender in foul trouble over the course of the game.

[Bruno]

Now I don't want to derail this thread with formula talk, but...

If my understanding of 'FG missed' is correct - should a player really get penalized twice for getting a shot blocked (FG missed plus block against)?

Efficiency is far from being a perfect stat.

Just an example, a player who missed a three pointer will have -1 in efficiency. If he is fouled on his shoot and misses his three FTs, he will have -3 in efficiency with the NBA formula and -2 with the Euroleague formula. Between missing a three pointer and missing three FTs, the result is quite the same but the efficiency isn't. :spin

Stats like PER are more accurate but the edge of the efficiency is that it is very simple to compute and despite its weaknesses, it gives a good idea on a player's statistical performance.

[Bruno]

I think penalising a player for getting his shot blocked is a bit silly.... you would rather a player attack a defender and take it up strong... if you get blocked u get blocked.... chances are you get to the foul line and get the defender in foul trouble over the course of the game.

If you draw a foul, you get a bonus with the European efficiency version not with the NBA version. The European formula helps more aggressive players than the NBA one, that's why I like it more.

IMO, the reason why shot blocked are counted is because Europeans likes symmetrical stats. If you block a shot you get +1, if the opposite happens, you get -1.

[anakha]

Efficiency is far from being a perfect stat.

Just an example, a player who missed a three pointer will have -1 in efficiency. If he is fouled on his shoot and misses his three FTs, he will have -3 in efficiency with the NBA formula and -2 with the Euroleague formula. Between missing a three pointer and missing three FTs, the result is quite the same but the efficiency isn't. :spin

Stats like PER are more accurate but the edge of the efficiency is that it is very simple to compute and despite its weaknesses, it gives a good idea on a player's statistical performance.

No problem with that. :)

Back on topic...

I'm only able to catch glimpses of Splitter in the weekly FIBA recap show here in Asia - so I'm not really sure how to judge his performance in the Spanish League so far.

How's the level of bigman competition in that league? Who would you say are the top bigmen in the league and how has Splitter fared so far against them? Thanks!

[mystargtr34]

If you draw a foul, you get a bonus with the European efficiency version not with the NBA version. The European formula helps more aggressive players than the NBA one, that's why I like it more.

IMO, the reason why shot blocked are counted is because Europeans likes symmetrical stats. If you block a shot you get +1, if the opposite happens, you get -1.

Drawing fouls is a crucial part of a game and thats one stat i think the NBA should start tallying or at least including in its statistical formulas - that part i like.

About the blocks against... its a good stat to keep and im really pleased yahoo.com/nba.com and other box scores have started to do so.... but to make it apart of a statistical evaluation isnt necessary.

Getting your shot deflected or blocked is the same as missing a shot.. maybe even more beneficial because its really anyones ball where as a legitimate missed shot gives a greater chance for a defensive rebound...

Anyway i digress... i would rather my player go up strong, get his shot blocked and bet that throughout the game he will get the opposing defense in trouble or get tot he free line...

As opposed to, like most guys do, triple clutch on their way to the basket because they are afraid of getting their shot blocked.

Im not sure i see the advantage of tyring to be 'symmetrical'... but maybe its a European thing as you say... either way i dont think blocks against should be included in an efficiency formula.

[Bruno]

How's the level of bigman competition in that league? Who would you say are the top bigmen in the league and how has Splitter fared so far against them? Thanks!

Spanish league is the best domestic league outside the NBA but the level of bigmen is still way lower than in NBA. To simplify, bigmen are either athletic or skilled in Spain while in NBA most bigmen are both.
Splitter is having a very solid season in Spanish league and in Euroleague. To me, what makes Splitter interesting is that he has size, skills and athleticism. I have few doubts about his ability to do well with Spurs.


either way i dont think blocks against should be included in an efficiency formula.

Agree.

[Demo Dick Marcinko]

Wow, I just ran into this mock draft that had the Spurs taking Darrell Arthur at 26. If he fell into our laps, I'd take him because as many of you saw in the recent NCAA tourny, he has unlimited potential and skills. If he did fall into our laps, I wonder how that would affect our big men and who goes to the Toros. Tim, Kurt, Tiago, Fabs, Ian and Arthur who doesn't need the developmental league.

http://www.mynbadraft.com/2008-NBA-Mock-Draft



I've seen DJ Augustin projected from early to mid twenties, very creative and deadly shot, bit of a defensive liability because of his height.

We may get lucky and have Brandon Rush or Tyler Smith fall to us at 26, that would address the wing situation. I'm partial to either.

Anyways, just wanted to see what the feeling would be if Arthur was on the board at 26.

[TheProfessor]

Wow, I just ran into this mock draft that had the Spurs taking Darrell Arthur at 26. If he fell into our laps, I'd take him because as many of you saw in the recent NCAA tourny, he has unlimited potential and skills. If he did fall into our laps, I wonder how that would affect our big men and who goes to the Toros. Tim, Kurt, Tiago, Fabs, Ian and Arthur who doesn't need the developmental league.

http://www.mynbadraft.com/2008-NBA-Mock-Draft



I've seen DJ Augustin projected from early to mid twenties, very creative and deadly shot, bit of a defensive liability because of his height.

We may get lucky and have Brandon Rush or Tyler Smith fall to us at 26, that would address the wing situation. I'm partial to either.

Anyways, just wanted to see what the feeling would be if Arthur was on the board at 26.
I think Arthur's a bit too inconsistent and needs a more up-tempo offense to get the most out of his talent. With Mahinmi and Splitter likely on the main roster, I think the Spurs' needs are at the wing and back-up PG.

No way Augustin slips like that, unless measurements or workouts scare teams off. He could go as early as Indiana in the lottery. Collison is a guy who could slip, but I think Chalmers is the one to watch - a likely career back-up, a real defensive presence, shoots well from three-point range. He's not a playmaker, but he wouldn't need to be with Manu on the floor. If he doesn't feel like he'll go first round though, he'll withdraw this year.

Rush would be great, but Smith pulled out yesterday. Afraid he'd fall to the second round.

[K-State Spur]

Wow, I just ran into this mock draft that had the Spurs taking Darrell Arthur at 26. If he fell into our laps, I'd take him because as many of you saw in the recent NCAA tourny, he has unlimited potential and skills. If he did fall into our laps, I wonder how that would affect our big men and who goes to the Toros. Tim, Kurt, Tiago, Fabs, Ian and Arthur who doesn't need the developmental league.

http://www.mynbadraft.com/2008-NBA-Mock-Draft



I've seen DJ Augustin projected from early to mid twenties, very creative and deadly shot, bit of a defensive liability because of his height.

We may get lucky and have Brandon Rush or Tyler Smith fall to us at 26, that would address the wing situation. I'm partial to either.

Anyways, just wanted to see what the feeling would be if Arthur was on the board at 26.

Arthur is a very nice player who likely won't last until 26.

But UNLIMITED potential and skills? Nay...

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If you draw a foul, you get a bonus with the European efficiency version not with the NBA version. The European formula helps more aggressive players than the NBA one, that's why I like it more.

IMO, the reason why shot blocked are counted is because Europeans likes symmetrical stats. If you block a shot you get +1, if the opposite happens, you get -1.

I not sure about this draw foul get credit for ranking.

[Bruno]

I not sure about this draw foul get credit for ranking.

Foul drawn count in the acb or Euroleague efficiency version. Just check with some stat lines if you aren't sold on that.

In French league the efficiency is calculated like in NBA (fouls drawn, fouls made and block against don't count). Maybe it's the same thing in Greek league and that's why you think that fouls drawn don't count in Euroleague or acb.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Foul drawn count in the acb or Euroleague efficiency version. Just check with some stat lines if you aren't sold on that.

In French league the efficiency is calculated like in NBA (fouls drawn, fouls made and block against don't count). Maybe it's the same thing in Greek league and that's why you think that fouls drawn don't count in Euroleague or acb.

Maybe you are right but I never hear this I think.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Splitter is nominate for chance be all Euroleague first or second team. Fans have vote and also media members. So they have elect him as possible for first or second team which be announce later.

http://www.euroleague.net/item/31176

[ChumpDumper]

If I read the crawl correctly, NBAtv will be showing Tau vs. CSKA Moscow this Friday at 2PM Central.

[td_tp_manu]

can anyone tell me if i'm right in saying that there's absolutely no hurdles for Splitter to come to Spurs next season? :toast

[kyleo]

can anyone tell me if i'm right in saying that there's absolutely no hurdles for Splitter to come to Spurs next season? :toast
Just the $1 million buyout: (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Tiago-Splitter-%22My-team-knows-that-I-want-to-go-to-the-NBA-%22-2039/)


Jonathan Givony: If Tau makes you stay next year, you would be completely free in one year, one year from now to leave, with a buyout or without a buyout if you leave next year in 2008.

Tiago Splitter: No, I have a buyout for one million next year [2008]. I have a buyout, so it’s not another situation like Andres Nocioni or Luis Scola.


I believe if the Spurs don't bring him next year, his buyout increases exponentially and he likely stays in Europe, so they have every reason to bring him over. Splitter has also indicated his desire to come to the states.

[Penya]

Well, as you can see, I'm Spanish (so excuse me if I have mistakes in English).

About Fran Vazquez (no Vasquez), he's a great player in Spain, but he isn't very clever. No way a great NBA player.

About value:

(Points+rebounds+assists+steals+draw fouls+blocks)-(FG&FT missed+TO+block against). A block against supposes -2 of value.

About ACB (Spanish League) level: There are three types of team:

- Teams like TAU, Barça, Real Madrid or Joventut, with high level and great players like Rudy Fernandez, Tiago, Lakovic, Bullock Ricky Rubio or Felipe Reyes.
- Teams fighting for PO, like Girona or Unicaja, with players like Marc Gasol (for me the only center better than Tiago), Daniel Santiago or Haislip.
- Teams fighting for not descend, with players like Curtis Borchard or Kakiouzis.

:flag:

[Cansal]

HOW CAN WE VOTE FOR EUROLEAGUE BEST TEAM??????????? I WANT TO SELECT SPLITTER BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT? NOWBODY CAN HELP ME? I'M EXACTING BECOUSE ON FRIDAY I GO TO MADRID TO SUPPORT MY TEAM AND I HOPE WE CAN WIN CSKA AND THEN............GO TO THE FINAL:toast. BESIDES I HOPE OUR BEST PLAYER THIS YEAR TIAGO COULD STAY IN THE IDEAL TEAM OF EUROLEAGUE IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR US:king:king:king

[Cansal]

CONGRATULATIONS SPURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:toast:toast YOU HAVE A GREAT TEAM AND I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO WIN NEXT RING :lobt2::lobt2:
GO SPURS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:flag::flag:

[hsxvvd]

Final Four.

Tau v CSKA

Should be a good indication of Splitter in crunch time situations. Euroleague final four should be televised in most places, it is here (Australia) on ESPN at 2am, so a good chance to check him out.

[yavozerb]

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Euroleague-Final-Four-Preview/

[Bruno]

Today is final four semifinals.
Sienna against Maccabi at 11:00 am (San Antonio time)
Tau against CSKA at 2:00 pm

The final and the game for the 3rd place will be played on Sunday at 11:00am for the 3rd place game and 2:00 pm for the final.

Some players to follow for Spurs fans :
- Omri Casspi (Maccabi) : Spurs send scouts in Israel to watch him. He could be drafted by SA.
- Romain Sato (Sienna) : Former Spurs second round draft pick. He played with them in 2005.
- Ramunas Siskauskas (CSKA) : A rumor said that Spurs are interested in him, one of the best player in Europe.
- Tiago Splitter (Tau) : He should play in SA next year.

[TheProfessor]

Today is final four semifinals.
Sienna against Maccabi at 11:00 am (San Antonio time)
Tau against CSKA at 2:00 pm

The final and the game for the 3rd place will be played on Sunday at 11:00am for the 3rd place game and 2:00 pm for the final.

Some players to follow for Spurs fans :
- Omri Casspi (Maccabi) : Spurs send scouts in Israel to watch him. He could be drafted by SA.
- Romain Sato (Sienna) : Former Spurs second round draft pick. He played with them in 2005.
- Ramunas Siskauskas (CSKA) : A rumor said that Spurs are interested in him, one of the best player in Europe.
- Tiago Splitter (Tau) : He should play in SA next year.
DX has mentioned a couple of times that if CSKA wins, Siskauskas has an opt-out that would allow him to sign with an NBA team.

[wildbill2u]

DX has mentioned a couple of times that if CSKA wins, Siskauskas has an opt-out that would allow him to sign with an NBA team.

He's 29 and it's been shown that it takes most players a couple of years--at least in Pop's estimation--to learn the system and contribute or be worthy of more than garbage time.

Is he that good that we might overlook age as a factor?

[nil.ball]

I predict Spurs trade the right to Splitter to Houston for Bobby Jackson and cash!!
:lol

[Harry Callahan]

I predict Spurs trade the right to Splitter to Houston for Bobby Jackson and cash!!
:lol

Dumbass. Scola did not want to sit behind Duncan. He and his agent refused to come here.

If Houston was so smart, they would have acquired him sooner.

BTW, enjoy your Rockets offseason, which starts tonight.

[Mr. Body]

Dumbass. Scola did not want to sit behind Duncan. He and his agent refused to come here.

If Houston was so smart, they would have acquired him sooner.

Add "Luis Scola was asking for the full MLE" for the trifecta of stupid, wrong statements.

[TheProfessor]

He's 29 and it's been shown that it takes most players a couple of years--at least in Pop's estimation--to learn the system and contribute or be worthy of more than garbage time.

Is he that good that we might overlook age as a factor?
Oberto was (I think) 31 when he came over, and things worked out.

DX considers him the best overseas free agent available, but I'd like to hear from someone who has seen him play on a semi-regular basis. From all accounts, he does seem to have the high basketball IQ and craftiness the Spurs would covet.

[Bartleby]

Today is final four semifinals.
Sienna against Maccabi at 11:00 am (San Antonio time)
Tau against CSKA at 2:00 pm

Is it possible to watch these games on TV and/or the Internet?

[timaios]

Is it possible to watch these games on TV and/or the Internet?

Check your PM

[anjlbitz]

Check your PM

Could you include me in that PM? hehe. I don't have NBATV

[timaios]

Could you include me in that PM? hehe. I don't have NBATV

Done.

[anjlbitz]

Thanks! I'm a huge Splitter fan. I hope he performs well!

[Flux451]

Is it possible to watch these games on TV and/or the Internet?

One of the games is on now NBA TV. then later is other one

[mountainballer]

Dumbass. Scola did not want to sit behind Duncan. He and his agent refused to come here.

If Houston was so smart, they would have acquired him sooner.

BTW, enjoy your Rockets offseason, which starts tonight.

yeah, right. and he wanted RC to get fired. and he wanted to play with the number 4 of Finley. and he wanted the locker next to the showers. and he wanted to be the only mullet on the roster. and he wanted a Spanish speaking housecleaner. and he wanted an autograph from Tommy Lee. and an argentinian steak once a week.

in other words: some of his demands were just impossible to comply, others were just greedy.
but fortunately we learned that those, who always claimed that he will be a bust in the NBA, because he's to small and can't rebound were right. luckily we invested the same money in resigning Bonner, who obviously is a better fit.

[Penya]

Tiago has problems in an elbow. He will not play so many minutes.

[Harry Callahan]

Add "Luis Scola was asking for the full MLE" for the trifecta of stupid, wrong statements.


Why can't you get it through your thick skull that LS preferred getting the chance to play with a team that had a need for a starting PF in Houston.

Tim Duncan is going to start in SA at that spot for the forseeable future given his contract extension. Scola is not a center and not a SF. He essentially plays the spot Duncan plays.

Were you involved in the negotiations to refute my contentions?

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

looks like shit compared to Scola



god damn

[wildbill2u]

Check your PM

Put me on the PM list too. I'd found one place but they stopped broadcasting anything but audio.

Thanks

[wildbill2u]

I'm so hoping that Splitter will be a step up from Oberto--from everything I've read he's bigger, taller, more mobile and has as good a BB IQ--but he's younger by 9 years or so.

In the extended clips I;ve seen him play, he looked very good. He doesn't need to be an All-star next to Duncan, but Duncan will make him a better player than OBerto on the high pick and roll because of his great hands and mobility.

[Bruno]

It's quite amazing to see people turning every single thread into a 'Scola thread!".
If only Scola was something special, it would be understandable but truth is that he isn't.

I guess people bitch because they like that. :rolleyes

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

It's quite amazing to see people turning every single thread into a 'Scola thread!".
If only Scola was something special, it would be understandable but truth is that he isn't.

I guess people bitch because they like that. :rolleyes



if only he was special?



are you seeing the numbers he is putting up in his first ever playoff series?



just shut the fuck up

[ForeignFan]

FFirst half of Euroleague semis : Tiago is doing well. Provoked a number of fouls, has good post moves. 10 pts 4/6 FGs.
Just terrible at the FT line.

PS : Vittoria ahead by 6. 39/33

[DAF86]

Game over. Tau lost and Tiago fouled out. Not the best outcome.

[Bruno]

Quite a good game by Splitter.
CSKA was just the better team, they should win the final against Maccabi.

[hsxvvd]

Looked very good again. Fouled out, but played big throughout against a tough CSKA frontline. He attacked the glass aggressively, including a clutch play at end where he pushed his man under the rim and allowed his team-mate to grab a huge offensive rebound. Unfortunately that same team-mate turned the ball over, but could have tied the game up.

I'm much more impressed by Splitter than I ever was with Scola. You've got to look at his age too.... Scola ain't getting any better. Splitter is still developing.

[DAF86]

I'm much more impressed by Splitter than I ever was with Scola. You've got to look at his age too.... Scola ain't getting any better. Splitter is still developing.

He's bigger and a little more athletic, but his offensive moves aren't as good as Scola's and his jumper and FT's are terrible.

[Kobayagi]

Smodis is going to own this final 4. :toast

Already defeated Tiago and TAU, now let's get Maccabi.

[Bruno]

Smodis is going to own this final 4. :toast


Like Rasho owned the playoffs ? :stirpot:

[DAF86]

Quite a good game by Splitter.
CSKA was just the better team, they should win the final against Maccabi.

Yeah, it was a good game by tiago I think he's ready for the NBA.

I just hope that no idiot'd come in here saying that he's a choker just because he didn't win the whole thing.

[timvp]

Game over. Tau lost by four.

I thought Splitter played pretty darn well. He got better as the game went on. Defensively he has good mobility and looks to be pretty strong. Offensively he has a good IQ, good passer and has a few nice post moves. He's also a world class flopper. Some of his flops this game would make Manu blush.

He can obviously improve a lot. He's a bit soft around the basket on both ends of the court. His help defense isn't always on time. I also think he can use a tad more meanness, especially when others are being physical with him.

I wasn't too impressed with any of his teammates. McDonald and Mickael are your standard Euro exports. Prigioni, who I liked in the past, looked like he was out of shape and he made repeated mistakes. Rakocevic is out of shape.

CSKA has some better players but I didn't see any obvious NBA talent. Theo Papaloukas supposedly was chased by a lot of NBA teams but I just don't see how he'd transition to the NBA. He's slow and doesn't have a jumper. He'd get destroyed by NBA guards. David Andersen has really nice touch but he played soft. Langdon hasn't improved much since his NBA days. Siskauskas is a solid, rugged player with decent skill. JR Holden probably could be a backup point guard in the right system but he could make more money and star overseas. Smodis could be Toni Kukoc if he wasn't in horrific shape. Overall, Andersen and Holden were probably the most impressive but I'm not sure if they could translate it to the NBA.

Looking at the stat sheet, Splitter had 17 points, three rebounds, two steals and a block in 27 minutes. More rebounds would have been nice but he spent a lot of time out on the perimeter guarding Smodis.

Should have posted this here, for posterity sake.

[velik_m]

Should have posted this here, for posterity sake.

Or you could just merge the threads...

[T Park]

if only he was special?



are you seeing the numbers he is putting up in his first ever playoff series?



just shut the fuck up


Why don't you heed your own advice clown.

[Mr. Body]

Hardly a surprise, but DX's latest on the Euroleague calls Splitter "a player worthy of a top 10 pick." And that he sucks at free throws.

I know I'd take Splitter over Joakim Noah last year, who went at #9. I thought at the time Chicago should be looking into acquiring Scola from us, but those morons probably thought they were so brilliant taking an energy player who duplicates skills they get from Tyrus Thomas.

Looking at the top 10 last year, you have Brendan Wright, Corey Brewer, Jeff Green, Yi Jianlian, and Spencer Hawes, that are doubtful much better than Splitter is right now, if at all.

[hsxvvd]

David Anderson would be a great fit for us. He has the size and shooting range to replace Horry. He's also battle tested with CSKA and has a skill set that would compliment Duncan and Splitter. Pity he won't be leaving CSKA anytime soon.

Oh, and did I mention he's Australian...

Edit: My bad. Looks like Anderson is out of contract. But he'd probably get more money in Europe and Atlanta would still own his rights?

[ChumpDumper]

He's also property of the Hawks. Maybe the Spurs could trade the rights to Javtokas for him since neither looks to be coming to the NBA for awhile, if ever.

[ForeignFan]

He's also a world class flopper. Some of his flops this game would make Manu blush.

Yes, I noticed that as well - he is ready for the NBA :lol

[Solid D]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/48/fullj.f101296ca0304995bb8e1cb561e8ed33/f101296ca0304995bb8e1cb561e8ed33-getty-basket-final-four-tau-moskow.jpg

From what I have seen, Tiago has a role player mindset. Vitoria could have used a go-to player in the second half of that game....if he were a go-to player. In the last few seconds, Tiago did fight hard for an offensive rebound tip that ended up going to a teammate but the teammate tried to go inside and dribbled it off Smodis' foot and lost the ball.

Splitter is either an underachiever or improperly used, or maybe both at this point.

[Vito Corleone]

The Spurs Organization stopped caring about Scola the moment they drafted his taller more versital mate Splitter. That is the only reason he is not a Spur right now.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

he's a poor mans Scola but I'll take him



Imagine if the Spurs kept him


Spurs big man rotation: Duncan/Scola/Oberto/Splitter/Ian


God damn that would be amazing

[ChumpDumper]

I won't imagine it, because it's useless.

[Solid D]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/48/fullj.f101296ca0304995bb8e1cb561e8ed33/f101296ca0304995bb8e1cb561e8ed33-getty-basket-final-four-tau-moskow.jpg

From what I have seen, Tiago has a role player mindset. Vitoria could have used a go-to player in the second half of that game....if he were a go-to player. In the last few seconds, Tiago did fight hard for an offensive rebound tip that ended up going to a teammate but the teammate tried to go inside and dribbled it off Smodis' foot and lost the ball.

Splitter is either an underachiever or improperly used, or maybe both at this point.

I meant to mention...the blue-striped arm is certainly an interesting look.

[Mr. Body]

Splitter is either an underachiever or improperly used, or maybe both at this point.

That's ridiculous.

[urunobili]

he's a poor mans Scola but I'll take him



Imagine if the Spurs kept him


Spurs big man rotation: Duncan/Scola/Oberto/Splitter/Ian


God damn that would be amazing

with so many years on the court together Tiago and Luis could have maintained a lead easily when timmy is either coasting through the regular season or resting on the bench...

[ChumpDumper]

with so many years on the court together Tiago and Luis could have maintained a lead easily when timmy is either coasting through the regular season or resting on the bench...Unless they played Panathinaikos.

[yavozerb]

CSKA Moscow vs. Tau Vitoria

This one looked like a much slower, more thought out game than the up and down pace of the previous game. Tau Vitoria jumped ahead to a surprising 39-33 lead in the first 20 minutes, mainly behind the inside presence of Tiago Splitter (10 points, and 6 missed free throws), and the surprisingly aggressive play of Zoran Planinic. Ramunas Siskauskas carried CSKA early, making shots and creating opportunities for Matjaz Smodis, but foul trouble limited his play, as well as Langdon’s—with 3 fouls each. Tau’s defense did a great job early on of forcing CSKA into taking bad shots, and the Russians clearly lacked a spark off the bench from their once great playmaker, Theo Papaloukas. He’s been fairly invisible so far, not trying to initiate anything, and clearly lacking the athleticism to get by anyone or finish when he did. This was not a pretty game in the first half, and the atmosphere clearly fell off a bit once Maccabi’s fans exited the building to begin the celebrations. CSKA is relying too heavily on JR Holden to carry them offensively, which is making them a bit predictable.

The second half was an all-out war, as both teams pounded on each other incessantly inside, on every drive, post-up and box-out for rebound, while there were only so many fouls that the ref could have called. David Andersen was excellent for CSKA, scoring 12 points in the half (16 total) on a series of mid-range jumpers, being particularly clutch in the closing minutes when his team took the lead and held onto it until the very end. He played nearly the entire second half, and did not miss a shot inside the arc the entire game, going 8-8 from the field. His last basket might have been his biggest, a huge put-back dunk off an offensive rebound to put CSKA up by 7 with just over a minute to go. We wondered if the Hawks would be here, and indeed the man responsible for drafting him seven years back, Mark Crow, was in attendance and looked quite pleased with the way he played, as he should have been. Theodoros Papaloukas woke up in the second half, reeling off 8 points to finish with 10, and stringing together two huge transition baskets in the fourth quarter that were extremely important to his team’s win. Ramunas Siskauskas finished with a “quiet” 16 points, always within the flow of his offense, slaloming in between defenders and finishing either hand, knocking down shots, drawing plenty of fouls and knocking down 7 of his 8 shots from the line, including two huge ones at the very end to seal the game.

The final score was 83-79 CSKA. The Russians are going to the Euroleague final for the third straight year in a row. This is their sixth straight appearance in the Final Four. They had five players finish with double digit scoring. Tiago Splitter had 17 points for Tau on 5-7 shooting from the field. He was terrific with his back to the basket inside, commanding double teams and finding the open man, using nice pivot moves and even hitting a pretty swooping hook shot in the lane. Maybe the 7-14 he shot from the free throw line will convince him to work on getting rid of the ugly hitch he has in his mechanics from the line, but regardless, there is no question that the San Antonio Spurs got a huge stud—a player worthy of a top 10 pick fall to them at the end of the first round. Zoran Planinic was solid with 17 points, and Igor Rakocevic had 19.

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[TDMVPDPOY]

i think spurs should trade tiagos rights for okafor

[Bartleby]

Splitter's rookie contract >>>>>>>> Okafor's fat contract

[T Park]

A poor man's scola?

Just fucking die already.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lets hope his not a fukn bust like that trash in toronto you call banana

[T Park]

Comparing a pick at 28, to the number 1 overall pick.

Genius !!! :tu

[JPB]

he's a poor mans Scola but I'll take him


:lol a poor man's Scola !

Did you ever see him play ?

[T Park]

Splitter has a very polished offensive game, seems to be good on defense, is quick and YOUNG.

Damn that kid is gonna be exciting to watch next year.
Hopefully Pop gives him a shot at the starting 5.

[JPB]

Tiago has interesting potential and seems to have bulked up since last year.

If he can get spurs system fast enough, he'll be able to produce quickly next year.

it will be an upgrade at the C position anyway.

I can see a good double T (Tim and Tiago) combo next year in the paint for SA.

It appears to be another steal for the FO and I understand that they were Schocked that splitter was still avalaible when their turn to pick came during the last draft.

[Harry Callahan]

The Spurs are gonna score a couple of athletic bigs (Ian and Splitter) who in time will be able to guard the rim and make it tough to get to the basket against the Spurs. Three mobile seven footers will rock next year.

Essentially the Spurs will have 3 #1 draft choices next year. They need the new blood.

Chip the shooting coach will also have some new students.

The highest draft pick the Spurs have had in the last 11 years (since TD went #1) has been 24 or 26. What an amazing job of putting together a competitive roster for all this time.

Duncan is awesome, but even he can't do it all by himself.

[JPB]

The priority now is to get some wings.

Fin, Barry and Horry are probably gone by next year. With that money and picks, they may be able to sign one proven NBA player and a younger one.

[picnroll]

Can Splitter out flop Varejao to win the Brazilian diving championship?

[Harry Callahan]

Can Splitter out flop Varejao to win the Brazilian diving championship?

That would be difficult. TS must be good at it if he can approach the realm of flopping.

[anjlbitz]

^You should have seen him flop yesterday. I was impressed. :lol

[wildbill2u]

One of these days, Could you see putting Ian on the floor against a long 3 along with Splitter and Tim against the Mavs?

Front lines: Duncan, Splitter, Ian vs. Howard, Dampier, Dirk.

Hell among the tall trees.

[ChumpDumper]

Ian has no real perimeter skills to speak of. His shooting range is about 16 feet, and I haven't seen him shoot that enough to call it reliable. I don't see his playing SF if anyone else is available.

[whottt]

if only he was special?



are you seeing the numbers he is putting up in his first ever playoff series?

#1. It's not hsi first ever playoff series...if you didn't have your head up Scola's ass you'd know he has impressive resume of chokes in Europe.


#2. Up until last night(which incidentally was a loss), Scola was shooting 41% carrying the inside scoring load for the Rockets and getting a ton of garbage baskets.

That's only a good FG%, if your name is Allen Iverson. Dumfuck.

It's complete shit for a PF paired with a dominant player(albeit a fellow choker) like Tracy MaGrady.

And I hate to tell you this...but the Rockets got eliminated in the first round just fine last year...without Scola, by the exact same team.


What did Scola add to this team? Not jack shit...they could have been eliminated in the first round just fine without him...




just shut the fuck up

Why don't you just shut the fuck up...you've brought nothing to this board but an incomparable amount whining and stupidity...and the day you leave this board the quality will increase ten fold.


TPark threatening to leave the board for a year and then renegging is like a million times more entertaining and insightful than the combined postings of yours on this board...

You actually make me look forward to reading posts by boutons...even in the political forum.


In short...why don't you go devote the rest of your life to sucking Scola's nuts and leave this board a better place with you gone.



You suck...and I mean that from the bottom of my heart...the day you stop posting here will be one of the best days in the history of this board.



So why don't you just shut the fuck up...and go take your fucking act to a Rocketboard with the other Rockets fans, and celebrate managing to make a game 7 in the first round, thanks to Luis "the difference "Scola...where you belong.







Luis Scola made...no fucking difference at all. None. You sir need to shut the fuck up...and stop making this board stupider with your presence.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

Back to Splitter, I saw him work more in the low post more than I had seen before. His footwork is pretty good and he goes into his moves quickly. One thing that will work in both Tiago and Ian's favor initially is that they won't receive the same amount of defensive attention and double teams they have in the other leagues.

[whottt]

he's a poor mans Scola


No...he's 6 fucking years younger than Scola is what he is...and as good or close to it.




but I'll take him


Here ya go...

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/


Take him...



Imagine if the Spurs kept him


Imagine if you stopped posting here and posted at Rocketboard...






Spurs big man rotation: Duncan/Scola/Oberto/Splitter/Ian


God damn that would be amazing





Just think...if we had Scola last year, we migth have won a title...


Just think..if the Rockets had Scola...they might have got eliminated in the first round..by the Jazz...just like last year. With HCA...unlike last year.






I know...if only Yao had been healthy...and they had LeBron, Kobe, Duncan PArker, Nash Dirk...and Jordan Magic, Bird and Wilt in their primes...they'd have won a title this yea or at least made it out of the first round, because Scola is that fucking good.


Becuase Scola makes that kind of difference...you think PF's that shoot 44% grow on trees? Shit no...I doubt there's more than one or two starting PF in the playoffs shooting 44%.


And just imagine how good Scola is going to be next year....when he's pushing 30 and not just out of kindergarten, a rookie with no experience...like he is this year.

[Bruno]

:lmao @ whottt


Splitter is in the all Euroleague first team. Congrats to him. :clap

http://www.euroleague.net/item/31740

The top Euroleague Basketball players of the 2007-08 season were honored at the Euroleague Basketball Awards Ceremony at the Circo Price in central Madrid attended by a world basketball elite, including many of the legends spending the weekend at the 2008 Final Four as part of the year-long 50 Years of European Club Basketball celebration. Each of the award winners received their trophy from one of the 50 greatest personalities honored at Friday’s special ceremony. The event was highlighted by the selection of Ramunas Siskauskas as MVP for the season. Siskauskas received his trophy from another former MVP, Toni Kukoc. In addition to Siskauskas, the All-Euroleague First Team also included, at point guard, Terrell McIntyre of Montepaschi Siena; at shooting guard/small forward, Trajan Langdon of CSKA; and at power forward/center, Terrence Morris of Maccabi Elite and Tiago Splitter of Tau Ceramica. The All-Euroleague First Team trophies were handed out by Dejan Bodiroga and Arvydas Sabonis. All five first-team selections came from teams that qualified for the Final Four. CSKA’s Langdon is the only repeat selection on the first team, while Siskauskas was a second-team choice last season.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:clap :tu

[DAF86]

#1. It's not hsi first ever playoff series...if you didn't have your head up Scola's ass you'd know he has impressive resume of chokes in Europe.

Define a choker, if, for you, a choker is a guy that has never won anything then you should say that Nowitzki, Iverson, Garnett, James, Splitter, etc. are chokers but not Scola, that not only won the most important tournament of his life, but he also was the leading scorer of that team (Olympics with Argentina)


#2. Up until last night(which incidentally was a loss), Scola was shooting 41% carrying the inside scoring load for the Rockets and getting a ton of garbage baskets.

Go ask Rockets fans who was, in their opinion, the best or 2nd best player of the team in the playoffs.


And I hate to tell you this...but the Rockets got eliminated in the first round just fine last year...without Scola, by the exact same team.


What did Scola add to this team? Not jack shit...they could have been eliminated in the first round just fine without him...

The Rockets were missing Yao and Alston, and they still managed to extend the series to 6 games. And if Alston'd had played the first two games and the second half of last night game, the Rockets'd have won the series.




Why don't you just shut the fuck up...you've brought nothing to this board but an incomparable amount whining and stupidity...and the day you leave this board the quality will increase ten fold.


TPark threatening to leave the board for a year and then renegging is like a million times more entertaining and insightful than the combined postings of yours on this board...

You actually make me look forward to reading posts by boutons...even in the political forum.


In short...why don't you go devote the rest of your life to sucking Scola's nuts and leave this board a better place with you gone.



You suck...and I mean that from the bottom of my heart...the day you stop posting here will be one of the best days in the history of this board.



So why don't you just shut the fuck up...and go take your fucking act to a Rocketboard with the other Rockets fans, and celebrate managing to make a game 7 in the first round, thanks to Luis "the difference "Scola...where you belong.







Luis Scola made...no fucking difference at all. None. You sir need to shut the fuck up...and stop making this board stupider with your presence.

Why don't you realize that (when you talk about Scola) you're doing the same thing: talking bullshit and irritating other people. You could just admit that he's a good player and that the Spurs made a mistake letting him go 'cause he isn't expensive, he doesn't have attitude issues, Duncan and Scola can easily play together, and it'd have been great to have Manu, Oberto, Splitter and Scola playing together.
You could admit all of those things and still say that is very stupid to bitch 'bout the Scola trade, or you could just say the second part but you can't bash him and talk nonsense just because the Spurs didn't get him. And if you want to do it then you just need to accept that you're going to have people contradicting your stupid comments.

[whottt]

Define a choker, if, for you, a choker is a guy that has never won anything then you should say that Nowitzki, Iverson, Garnett, James, Splitter, etc. are chokers but not Scola, that not only won the most important tournament of his life, but he also was the leading scorer of that team (Olympics with Argentina)


Way to kick your own ass there...haven't been watching basketball very long eh?

Obviously, since Scola won a gold medal, that's not good enough for me now is it?


Judging by the Olympics...Tim Duncan is an incompetent basketball player...and by your definition...he is a choker, because he has no gold medal...

So obviously...the Olympic tournament is not my judge now is it? I don't consider the Olympics to be a big deal...I know you do, but obviously it's not that big of deal to you either or you wouldn't have called Garnett(who has an Olympic Gold Medal) a choker...







Go ask Rockets fans who was, in their opinion, the best or 2nd best player of the team in the playoffs.


Ok...who was, in your opinion, the best or 2nd best player for the team in the playoffs?

Let me guess...you think it was Scola...however, since you have already kicked your own ass in the knowledge department...hopefully you'll now understand why I don't give Rocketfan's opinion much credence.






The Rockets were missing Yao and Alston, and they still managed to extend the series to 6 games. And if Alston'd had played the first two games and the second half of last night game, the Rockets'd have won the series.


If? If?

No if...in your opinion. You, who have already kicked your own ass in this argument.






Why don't you realize that (when you talk about Scola) you're doing the same thing: talking bullshit and irritating other people.


Tough shit...

Fuck Scola, fuck him all day long, fuck him all night long...

Don't like it...I suggest you go to a Rocketboard, because here, this is a Spurboard, and Rocketplayers are going to get trashed.

It's ironic how Scola has a huge amount of dumbass and unknowledgable fans on this board...and the more I argue with them the more convinced I become I'm right.






You could just admit that he's a good player and

I don't think he's that good of a player. That's why I am not going to admit that.



that the Spurs made a mistake letting him go

I don't think the Spurs made a mistake letting him go, that's why I am not going to admit that.



'cause he isn't expensive,

Don't care. That's why I am not going to admit that.




he doesn't have attitude issues,

IMO he does. And if you'd been a basketball prior to 2003, you'd know why.




Duncan and Scola can easily play together,

Who can't play easily with Tim Duncan?





and it'd have been great to have Manu, Oberto, Splitter and Scola playing together.


Not for me it wouldn't have been...I'm glad fucking Scola's not on this team...I am glad the Spurs got rid of him...now I'd just like Spurttalk to get rid of his fans or at least get them out of the main forum.


I just don't understand why Scola fans don't go to Rocketboards to talk about this overrated POS with other people who love him.





You could admit all of those things and still say that is very stupid to bitch 'bout the Scola trade,

And you could admit that my opinion is right...


I mean...Scola is the guy who is already done playing...I know, if only he and TMac had LeBron they'd have won.


That's about the stupidest fucking argument I've ever heard.


I should agree with you because it's your opinion?


Tell you what...try not to kick your own ass in arguments in your opening statement and maybe I'll start to respect your opinion more.

In lieu of that...I'm going to continue to think I know more about basketball than you do...I'm going to continue to think that you, like 90% of the Scola fans, didn't even watch basketball prior to about 2002( and the way you kicked your own ass by saying Garnett didn't have a gold medal would seem to indicate I'm right).


Make a non stupid argument and maybe I will respect your opinion...otherwise, I don't see a whole lot of difference between you and SpursDynasty21 and ArgScolaFan, two of the biggest dumbasses on this board, who incidentally, are also 2 of the biggest Scola fans...






or you could just say the second part but you can't bash him and talk nonsense just because the Spurs didn't get him. And if you want to do it then you just need to accept that you're going to have people contradicting your stupid comments.

I'm not contraditcing myself...you're the one using gold medals as examples of clutchness and kicking your own ass in the process.

[whottt]

Anyway...I realize you Scola fans are hoping aginst hope that the Spurs lose and fail to repeat, so you can talk about what a difference Scola would have made and how knowledgable you are...

So I'll let you get back to doing that...


Try to remember that this is a Spursboard, not a Rocketboard and not to bring that piece of shit up in threads that don't concern him in the future would you?

[boutons_]

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