Vassilis Spanoulis Thread

[The Franchise]

Did you sit in the Rockets practice sessions and watch all the practices too? Did Spanoulis have great practices or not? Did he get enough playing time during the season to make a sound basketball call about the man's talent as it seems you have have already done? Or does that lockdown robotic play of JVG's really turn you on to see Yao getting pushed around or T-Mac running the offense with the other teams defenders all keying on him? Wow, that's really smart. How about Azubuike going off for 33 pts and Nachbar becoming one of the best small forwards in the NBA? Does that tell you anything about how JVG uses players? Every single player who ever played for JVG has declined in scoring average.
What did his scoring average have to do with his turnovers? How about his bad shot selection? If you watched the games last year then you would know that every time he got on the floor he was terrible. I don't care about practice. Oh damn V span looked like Micheal Jordan in practice!!! What happened to that great player in the game? He sucked ass!! As i said before V Span was horrible. If he had made any improvement in his game I would have been happy, but he didn't. To give a good example of what I'm saying lets compare him to Scola. Scola looked out of place at the start of preseason. He would turn the ball over, make bad fouls, and his open shots were not dropping. Instead of whining he would go to the refs and asked what he did wrong to learn from his mistake. He seems to be protecting the ball a lot better,and he is starting to get comfortable with his role offensively.He isn't pouting about his role, he is adjusting to the role the team needs from him, and getting better at it. That's an approach that the Spanoulis never even tried.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Yes, it's unfair and mainly because Washington came from NCAA to land in a new team, new country and new style of BB.
Spanoulis wasn't in this case.
And at 21, Spanoulis was playing the Eurocup (weaker level than the ULEB cup) and averaged 6/4.



FIBA isn't the same thing than nba.


You not think 7 best FIBA International Europe player mean something? You see which and how many NBA player on list? Now you try say player like Papaloukas or Spanoulis not NBA player?




You forget Spanoulis rookie 2002-2003 he have Champions FIBA League
8 games
10.8 points
6.4 FIBA assist
8.4 NBA assist

He also have lead Maroussi to first times ever Greek Cup champions game! He do this age 20!

11 point 8 nba assist average and champion game not good for 20 year old rookie?

Next year he have ankle injury at EuroCup.

So actual at age 20 could say better in Europe than Washington at age 21.

Or you still try argue?

[CubanMustGo]

Oh, enough. Take your manlove for Spanoulis somewhere else. I'll make it simple for you:

Spanoulis isn't playing for the Spurs this season, therefore

WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

Come back when (if) His Royal Pussiness decides that the NBA is good enough for him.

[Russ]

There's one comparison where the difference is dramatic and trumps all others -- what their salaries [are/would have been] with the Spurs this year.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What did his scoring average have to do with his turnovers? How about his bad shot selection? If you watched the games last year then you would know that every time he got on the floor he was terrible. I don't care about practice. Oh damn V span looked like Micheal Jordan in practice!!! What happened to that great player in the game? He sucked ass!! As i said before V Span was horrible. If he had made any improvement in his game I would have been happy, but he didn't. To give a good example of what I'm saying lets compare him to Scola. Scola looked out of place at the start of preseason. He would turn the ball over, make bad fouls, and his open shots were not dropping. Instead of whining he would go to the refs and asked what he did wrong to learn from his mistake. He seems to be protecting the ball a lot better,and he is starting to get comfortable with his role offensively.He isn't pouting about his role, he is adjusting to the role the team needs from him, and getting better at it. That's an approach that the Spanoulis never even tried.

I have visuals proofs that you = liar!

Accordings to "fans" likes you Spanoulis bench because "poor play" which lie and BS. He bench because coach = asshole.

You just like so much other dumb Rocket fan believe craps and make up lies. Alston not even able to do any of these type play Spanoulis make. Only idiot people believe this nonsense crap as you talk.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2JxYa3QqBYo

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Just let people know who think he "suck" and also Spur fan who want keep tab on how he do for when can join Spur next year.

Panathinaikos beat Olympiakos (2nd best Greek team and 3rd best probable team of Europe) 81-77!

Spanoulis MVP of game with 5 FIBA assist about 7 NBA type assist I count and 27 point in 28 minute!

This such "suck player" :rolleyes

box score:

http://www.galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/season2007_08/a1game.asp?game=21

game photos stories:

http://www.sportime.gr/basket_inside.asp?article_id=63822

game sold out with 18,700 attendance!

[picnroll]

Kill Bill Pana if Spanoulis doesn't join the Spurs next year we're going to hunt you down and make you eat every single post, mother baord, monitor, keyboard and all.

[remingtonbo2001]

Kill Bill Pana if Spanoulis doesn't join the Spurs next year we're going to hunt you down and make you eat every single post, mother baord, monitor, keyboard and all.

You guys are being dickheads.

Panama Billy keeps beating the dead horse.

THIS IS FUCKIN' HALARIOUS. It's a CRAAZY HOUSE! :downspin:

[The Franchise]

Just let people know who think he "suck" and also Spur fan who want keep tab on how he do for when can join Spur next year.

Panathinaikos beat Olympiakos (2nd best Greek team and 3rd best probable team of Europe) 81-77!

Spanoulis MVP of game with 5 FIBA assist about 7 NBA type assist I count and 27 point in 28 minute!

This such "suck player" :rolleyes

box score:

http://www.galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/season2007_08/a1game.asp?game=21

game photos stories:

http://www.sportime.gr/basket_inside.asp?article_id=63822

game sold out with 18,700 attendance!
Spanoulis sucks.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Spanoulis sucks.

Like say some people think can just say lie and gets away with this.
:depressed

[Indazone]

Well at this point it doesn't matter. Only time will tell. We can talk about it all we want but the proof is when Spanoulis signs or doesn't sign. Other than that, it's pure conjecture.

[MagnusKrauss]

granted, svg *did* misuse vspan. what you have to understand k_b_p, is that vspan signed with panathinaikos. sure, he may have a buyout clause, but are you sure rc and the gang would be willing to part with that kinda cash? for a possible second or third string pg? i don't think so. vaughn might last a few more years. its possible they might consider him as a third string then, but third stringers don't get much action. would he be happy with that?

as for your idea, vspan as sg.....an undersized sg? hm. where would you put him? barry has said that this is his last season. fin might last a few (2-3?) years more. there's no way vspan replaces udoka as starter when that happens. manu might still be our star bench player then so no go at sg there.

vspan is a good player. he's a legitimate euro all-star. but that doesn't necessarily mean that he'd be a good fit with the spurs.

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magnusdrakenkrauss

[Indazone]

If Spanoulis comes you have to look at the Spurs expiring contracts and roster spots opening up. Although Vassilis could come here next year, the way the Spurs are constructed, it is more likely to happen the year afterwards.

[Darkwaters]

I am a huge advocate for the signing of Spanoulis next season. I really forsee both Finley and Barry walking at the end of the season leaving us with only 3 wing players under contract (Ginobili, Bowen and Udoka). One can assume that Bowen's minutes will decline this year somewhat and definitely next year. That would leave plenty of room for Spanoulis to fill a role on the wing. If Washington steps up his play this year and becomes a legit backup PG then I think the Spurs can decline Vaughn's option and play Spanoulis on the wing and as the 3rd PG as well. But if we have the roster room, we might as well keep Vaughn as well.

Spanoulis will be a risk if he signs here next offseason. He had a lackluster year in Houston and seriously hurt his value in the NBA. But with an incentive-laden contract, with a team option after the first year or two, he could be a calculated risk. I think you have to roll the dice though. He looks to be so dynamic overseas and I salivate at the thought of him doing those same things on US soil.

While I know the front office miscued on Beno Udrih for many years, they also brought us Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker. If they want him on this team I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Spur fan can judge Spanoulis ability for selves.

Here half 1 of game torrent

http://www.blue-whitegt.com/details.php?id=50339

here half 2 of game torrent

http://www.blue-whitegt.com/details.php?id=50341

[eisfeld]

What's the big issue. Comparing a player who was not ready mentally at all to Spanioulis? He might not have been on the same level back then, but right now Washington seems to be better. So far I've stayed up every night to watch a Spurs game and what I saw of Washington was quite impressive. Although his effort can't be seen in the stats sheet, his will, hustle and hard work is what makes him a superb backup PG. When he was eligible for draftin he wasn't ready... he had the talent but he failed. But unless some other posers he tried hard to come back and prove himself.

[smrattler]

We don't need a backup or third string PG to play 10 mins and extrapolate to AWESOME per 48 mins stats. We just need a guy that plays hard, doesn't take a 10 point lead and turn it to a tied game and shows toughness.

Washington is a tough mother. If he is good enough to beat out Vaughn by say April, we won't need VSpan. I don't care if you take his 3 mins of play and extract he scores 50 points if he had been allowed to play 30 mins.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

See I tell you Lindsey have made trade to get Spanoulis and he will get him back to Spurs after Billy family problem fix.

See here

http://clutchfans.net/news/1262/rockets_lindsey_praises_spanoulis/

Rockets Director of Player Personnel Dennis Lindsey stated the following about Spanoulis prior to the team signing him. "We're very, very happy with his progress," said Lindsey. "He changed clubs this year from Maroussi to the bigger club this year, Panathinaikos. For those not familiar with European basketball, they are like the New York Yankees of Greece and one of the two or three better organizations in Europe. They are an NBA level club. From our standpoint, we really like what Vassilis has done. He is their leading scorer. They are 9-1 in the Euroleague and they have already qualified for the top sixteen."

Lindsey praised Spanoulis' ability to attack the basket. "He's got a couple of characteristics that we like," added Lindsey. "He can really drive and get the ball in the paint, and he's relentless with it. He kind of plays basketball like a fullback a little bit, where he just kind of breaks through the line and there's contact on a lot of plays." Whether Spanoulis is ready to join the team remains to be seen, but Lindsey made it sound like the Rockets would like him on the squad sooner rather than later.

"The owner and Jeff and Carroll really like what they've seen so far and we've made a couple of trips over and hopefully in the near future we can have him as a Rocket because we think he can help us."

Also Panathinaikos so far be one of 2 undefeated team in Greek league at 6-0 and Spanoulis lead league in assists. Panathinaikos be ONLY undefeated team in Euroleague at 6-0. So far Billy overall lead team in scoring and assists and Panathinaikos 12-0 and eurobasket.com rank #1 team in Europe.

[Darkwaters]

I'm more interested in what Lindsey thinks NOW rather than what he thought before he brought Spanoulis over to the NBA. But still, I am all aboard for the idea of bringing Spanoulis back for a second shot at the NBA with the Spurs.

[CubanMustGo]

http://www.draiochtwebdesign.com/sxc/tut3/yawn_filtered.jpg

[Freeze]

:sleep

[Bruno]

James White! > Spanoulis

On a side note, Jasikevicius (Spanoulis' teammate) loves Spurs a lot. If he decides one day to come back in nba, Spurs will be without very high on his wish list.

[timvp]

Jasikevicius (Spanoulis' teammate) loves Spurs a lot. If he decides one day to come back in nba, Spurs will be without very high on his wish list.No thanks. Jasikevicius sucks on the NBA level. Beno > Jasikevicius.

Jasikevicius can't handle the ball or defend against NBA players. Beno is actually better at both of those areas. On top of that, Jasikevicius was sub 40% shooter in the NBA -- and that was supposed to be his strong suit.

I'd rather take back Beno or even Billy :)

[Bruno]

^ I agree and I didn't want him but he definitely loves Spurs. It's not that surprising given that Spurs should be the most loved nba teams among euro players.

[Bruno]

Spurs are my dream. The caoch and players are like brothers. They wnat to win every game. Each game is important for them. They ahve the right attitude, the right mental approach of the BB game. It's a great organization, a good place to be but there are only few like that in nba.

[Darkwaters]

Whats the general opinion of Spanoulis by SpursTalk posters? Would most posters be opposed to the idea of bringing him in next year? Or is his poor play in Houston condemnation enough to scare off most people?

If we could give him a low-risk contract with a team option I would be all over the idea. I firmly think he could contribute to this team. But I like the idea of playing him mostly at shooting guard and letting Parker/Washington/Vaughn control the point. In time, Vaughn could be released and Spanoulis could become the 3rd PG as well as a rotational wing player. The idea is similar to NFL teams having their 3rd QB also play WR.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

James White! > Spanoulis

On a side note, Jasikevicius (Spanoulis' teammate) loves Spurs a lot. If he decides one day to come back in nba, Spurs will be without very high on his wish list.

Hmm James White is better than player on only undefeated team at 12-0 which lead his team in score point and assist and do so coming off bench.............

Sharas only used 15-20 minute by Panathinaikos coach because of lack of defense. Spanoulis and Diamantidis always finish game.

[Bruno]

Hmm James White is better than player on only undefeated team at 12-0 which lead his team in score point and assist and do so coming off bench.............


http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=69

My Kill_Bill_Pana trap is working.

[Bruno]

If we could give him a low-risk contract with a team option I would be all over the idea.

Agree. As long as Spanoulis is cheap (at most the LLE), I really like the idea. However, I'm not that high on Spanoulis for $3M given that he has still failed in nba.

[Roxsfan]

Dude wants nothing to do with the NBA period. The only way he will come is if he is guaranteed starters minutes and a nice contract.

[Indazone]

Whats the general opinion of Spanoulis by SpursTalk posters? Would most posters be opposed to the idea of bringing him in next year? Or is his poor play in Houston condemnation enough to scare off most people?

If we could give him a low-risk contract with a team option I would be all over the idea. I firmly think he could contribute to this team. But I like the idea of playing him mostly at shooting guard and letting Parker/Washington/Vaughn control the point. In time, Vaughn could be released and Spanoulis could become the 3rd PG as well as a rotational wing player. The idea is similar to NFL teams having their 3rd QB also play WR.

Spanoulis is not going to be cheap. He signed an really big 3 year contract with Pana. How is he going to come over with that big contract?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamecode=69

My Kill_Bill_Pana trap is working.

Hmm Panathinaikos play without Greek league MVP and Euroleague final four MVP Diamantidis, coach tell them at half time take it easy on them and let up, coach play 2nd and 3rd unit..................coach instruct team at 25-30 point type leads stop making score worse..............

Spanoulsi instruct by coach to run offense all game not try even score.


You realizes Panathinaikos 12-0 and not even CSKA undefeated? Or did Spur fan not know coach instruct them not try against Rocket and Spur also?

You realize on Panathinaikos James White maybe 12th player on team? Or he want contract that Winston get and PAO laugh at him? Or you stupid like other fans not realize stat not matter on PAO team?

When PAO win triple crown I bring this post up again.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Agree. As long as Spanoulis is cheap (at most the LLE), I really like the idea. However, I'm not that high on Spanoulis for $3M given that he has still failed in nba.

His salary plus his benefit = $3,807,000 of the American dollar. He not join NBA team unless get this amount obvious because Real Madrid and also FC Barcelona had offered him actual $4,500,000 in the US dollar with salary and benefit and he turn this down to play near family in Greece. If he can get $4.5 million in Spain he go there before NBA offer him LLE amount.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Dude wants nothing to do with the NBA period. The only way he will come is if he is guaranteed starters minutes and a nice contract.

Not true he say many time he ask Van Gundy only 10 minute each game and coach refuse. He ask only 10 minute each game first year with Spurs if he join them. It Van Gundy 51 games no play that make him mad.

[Extra Stout]

Whats the general opinion of Spanoulis by SpursTalk posters? Would most posters be opposed to the idea of bringing him in next year? Or is his poor play in Houston condemnation enough to scare off most people?

If we could give him a low-risk contract with a team option I would be all over the idea. I firmly think he could contribute to this team. But I like the idea of playing him mostly at shooting guard and letting Parker/Washington/Vaughn control the point. In time, Vaughn could be released and Spanoulis could become the 3rd PG as well as a rotational wing player. The idea is similar to NFL teams having their 3rd QB also play WR.
My general opinion of Vagisilis Spanakopitas is that these continual threads about him are a waste of bandwidth.

Can somebody go find taruky and have him come deal with Kill_Bill_Pana?

[whottt]

Whats the general opinion of Spanoulis by SpursTalk posters?

That he's a wuss with talent that is now afraid to play in the NBA and might cause chemistry issues if he doesn't get enough PT.



Would most posters be opposed to the idea of bringing him in next year? Or is his poor play in Houston condemnation enough to scare off most people?

I don't think he really played that poorly in Houston for a rookie...but I think he handled his issues with Van Gundy and the Rockets badly...doesn't seem to be able to draw a line between the Spurs and the Rockets either.

[ChumpDumper]

His salary plus his benefit = $3,807,000 of the American dollar. He not join NBA team unless get this amount obvious because Real Madrid and also FC Barcelona had offered him actual $4,500,000 in the US dollar with salary and benefit and he turn this down to play near family in Greece. If he can get $4.5 million in Spain he go there before NBA offer him LLE amount.Thanks for telling us he will never come back to the US.

End of thread.

[exstatic]

His salary plus his benefit = $3,807,000 of the American dollar. He not join NBA team unless get this amount obvious because Real Madrid and also FC Barcelona had offered him actual $4,500,000 in the US dollar with salary and benefit and he turn this down to play near family in Greece. If he can get $4.5 million in Spain he go there before NBA offer him LLE amount.
He'll never be a Spur at that price, then. The Spurs will pay you...after you prove that you have an NBA game. He hasn't done that.

[BeerIsGood!]

His salary plus his benefit = $3,807,000 of the American dollar. He not join NBA team unless get this amount obvious because Real Madrid and also FC Barcelona had offered him actual $4,500,000 in the US dollar with salary and benefit and he turn this down to play near family in Greece. If he can get $4.5 million in Spain he go there before NBA offer him LLE amount.

You just killed the argument that you've been making for weeks. The Spurs aren't giving this dude 4 million+ a year after he flamed out of the NBA (at least I hope they wouldn't). Let him stay in Greece or Spain, be successful and happy. For this guy it's better to be the big fish in the smaller pond.

[The Truth #6]

With the sinking dollar, we'd have to pay him even more to equal what he's getting in euros.

I'm curious how he's playing now in Europe.

The Van Gundy situation says just as much about Jeff. He didn't deal with Bonzi well. If one was to make an opinion of Bonzi after only one year it wouldn't be that great either.

[wildbill2u]

We'll probably never know if he could contribute here or not. Since the Euro leagues have increased their pay to their stars to a parity with our role players, there don't seem to be any 'steals' out there any longer.

Let's face it. If a guy has close family ties, a great situation on in his home team and virtual salary parity with whatever NBA team might want him, he may be quite right to stay where he is.

How many of you guys could make more money if they were willing to move out of SA but like it here and are willing to make that trade off?

In fact, the Spurs have built the franchise out of selling players on our quality of life in SA.

Some go for the idea (Tim Duncan, Robinson, Tony) and some go for bigger bucks and the bright lights.

[Indazone]

Well if the Euroleagues are going to be paying big bucks like that, you're gonna have a bunch of NBA players jumping ship to play over there. Same thing happened when the ABA came into existence.

[Darkwaters]

Well if the Euroleagues are going to be paying big bucks like that, you're gonna have a bunch of NBA players jumping ship to play over there. Same thing happened when the ABA came into existence.

I'm not so sure about that. The NBA still has the prestige of being the elite league (and they are fairly elitest about it) and players definitely know it. Many will probably stay for that reason alone. Plus, I don't see many American players jumping ship to play in Europe. We're fairly ethnocentric around here and the idea of playing professionally in Europe is often degrading for your average collegiate athlete. Not when they could play in the NBA instead.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well if the Euroleagues are going to be paying big bucks like that, you're gonna have a bunch of NBA players jumping ship to play over there. Same thing happened when the ABA came into existence.

Spanoulis tell me he know NBA better than Greece league and also Euroleague. Also better than Spanish league but he also tell me NBA fan very wrong about Panathinaikos Athens and CSKA Moscow teams. He tell me both these teams even though only team in Europe both these team just as good as NBA team. Also he tell me coach tell Panathinaikos team not try in NBA games in Texas for risk of player injury in exhibition game that not count.

He tell me to team make invite to both NBA team for real game after season on neutral court.

[BeerIsGood!]

Spanoulis tell me he know NBA better than Greece league and also Euroleague. Also better than Spanish league but he also tell me NBA fan very wrong about Panathinaikos Athens and CSKA Moscow teams. He tell me both these teams even though only team in Europe both these team just as good as NBA team. Also he tell me coach tell Panathinaikos team not try in NBA games in Texas for risk of player injury in exhibition game that not count.

He tell me to team make invite to both NBA team for real game after season on neutral court.

:drunk

You do realize that they came over here and played against pre-season NBA teams. They played against guys that are either overseas or in D-league now, and the stars of the team were pretty much going through the motions just waiting for the regular season to start. AND, they still got smoked by these NBA teams.

There's no motivation for the Spurs or even the Sonics to play another euro team on a neutral court.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

With the sinking dollar, we'd have to pay him even more to equal what he's getting in euros.

I'm curious how he's playing now in Europe.

The Van Gundy situation says just as much about Jeff. He didn't deal with Bonzi well. If one was to make an opinion of Bonzi after only one year it wouldn't be that great either.

His team one of 2 only team Greece undefeated at 6-0. He lead Greece league in assists per game.

In Euroleague his team ONLY undefeated team at 6-0.

Overall Panathinaikos team 12-0 and rank #1 team out of all team in Europe by eurobasket.com

Spanoulis lead overall team in point per game and assist per game. So he lead scorer and lead assist player on best team in Europe. He do this even comes off bench because Sani Becirovic (Nuggets draft pick) and Dimitris Diamantidis (Euroleague final 4 MVP, Greek MVP, Greek playoff MVP, Euroleague best defender award all last year) starters when he come there coach ask him if come off bench and he agree. Still even come off bench lead team in point and assist. Yes James White who agent ask PAO team for contract and managers laugh at his agent and Kennedy Winston instead get contract, and White who if on PAO be 12th man out of 14 player is better than Spanoulis :rolleyes

I think lead scorer and assist player on best team in Euroleague must be consider good NBA talent even if Van Gundy disagree. Rememebers Van Gundy think Alston "hell of a point guard" his own words. His judge of point guard players very weird.

Jasekivicius play like 15-20 minute and Spanoulis 26-30 minute on Panathinaikos and Spanoulis 2nd best defender of team and Jasekivicius 13th best defender of team. Denver Nuggets trying to get Becirovic to team and he play like 10-15 minute game. This give idea how Spanoulis talent is.

Also Jaka Lackovic have won 2 Greek MVP and 1 Greek playoff MVP and 1 Greek Cup MVP as Pana point guard and he not signs by team so Spanoulis can replace him. He get NBA offers to before. Tony Delk had been Spanoulis replacement when he leave for Houston and Delk get like 8 minute a game in same role Spanoulis get 29 minute.

Tony Parker have say Spanoulis better than Jose Calderon and Beno and best point guard he play against in Europe. Spurs have best scout and know what he capable of.

[Indazone]

Actually be that it may, I would like to see a game between the Spurs and Pana and the Rockets and Pana on a court with combined FIBA/NBA rules. It would put to rest who is better. This is like an argument about who is better. The world champion of Karate vs the world champion of Kung Fu. Who would kick who's &$^%!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

:drunk

You do realize that they came over here and played against pre-season NBA teams. They played against guys that are either overseas or in D-league now, and the stars of the team were pretty much going through the motions just waiting for the regular season to start. AND, they still got smoked by these NBA teams.

There's no motivation for the Spurs or even the Sonics to play another euro team on a neutral court.

Coach tell them to lose on purpose. Spanoulis tell me owner of team have plan. After this they invite both team for neutral game place after season.

Houston refuse but Spurs accepts only say if both teams win championships.

Pana owner have setup plan for Euro champs against NBA champs afters season in real game not exhibition game and tricks Spurs to agree by losing on purpose in fake game in San Antonio. So if Spurs win championship we get first World Championship game even though it not be official recognized by ULEB or NBA. Pana win Euroleague for sure but Spurs has to also win NBA.

[Indazone]

LOL that would be funny and of course Houston has much more to lose if they get torched by Vspan.

[Extra Stout]

Can we please ban KBP?

[Pero]

The Spurs are better of course.

[ChumpDumper]

Coach tell them to lose on purpose. Spanoulis tell me owner of team have plan. After this they invite both team for neutral game place after season.

Houston refuse but Spurs accepts only say if both teams win championships.

Pana owner have setup plan for Euro champs against NBA champs afters season in real game not exhibition game and tricks Spurs to agree by losing on purpose in fake game in San Antonio. So if Spurs win championship we get first World Championship game even though it not be official recognized by ULEB or NBA. Pana win Euroleague for sure but Spurs has to also win NBA.Never happened. The Spurs can't just agree to a post-postseason game on their own. There are no provisions for anything like it in the bargaining agreement with the players' union, and most players like to go on vacation after winning a championship.

[Pero]

Also it's not certain that Pan wins Euroleague, that's still very far away. What if someone gets injured? And final 4 is just one game, anything can happen.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The Spurs are better of course.

If play with mix NBA/FIBA rule on neutral court set by FIBA I think Spurs can only win game by maybe 8-10 points. NBA fan should pay more attention what Panathinaikos team is capable of.

Remember Panathinaikos team have lost games to 3rd division Greece teams in pre-season. So NBA fan lies to themseilf thinking NBA teams in "pre-season mode and Pana plays together foe years"

explain then how PAO team lose to 3rd division Greek team in pre-season too? 3rd division Greek team like Spurs losing to NCAA team.

NBA fan seem think only Euroleague team care about game and NBA team not care. Truth is before game Greek annoucners have admit Stern orders NBA team to play to win game. Coach of Pana team had told his team play as little as can so no injury.

Coach Obradovic care even less about such game then even coach like Popovic. You know coach Popovich you should know coach Obradovic same personality even more though.

[Indazone]

C'mon ya'll gotta admit that a Euroleague Champion vs NBA Champion game would be fun.

[Extra Stout]

Never happened. The Spurs can't just agree to a post-postseason game on their own. There are no provisions for anything like it in the bargaining agreement with the players' union, and most players like to go on vacation after winning a championship.
Union, schmoonion. St. Demetrios himself revealed this truth to KBP while he was holding his breath and staring at his bellybutton.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Never happened. The Spurs can't just agree to a post-postseason game on their own. There are no provisions for anything like it in the bargaining agreement with the players' union, and most players like to go on vacation after winning a championship.

Not true. This happen before when Bulls play same game against Olympiacos. You always give fact that are lie. And always be prove wrong and act like never said such thing.

Also like say team not sanction by ULEB or NBA. Maybe you need learn read.

[ChumpDumper]

Truth is before game Greek annoucners have admit Stern orders NBA team to play to win game.Or what?

What would the consequences have been had the NBA teams not played to win?

More Greek media BS.

[Extra Stout]

Not true. This happen before when Bulls play same game against Olympiacos. You always give fact that are lie. And always be prove wrong and act like never said such thing.

Also like say team not sanction by ULEB or NBA. Maybe you need learn read.
That was the McDonald's Championship in 1997, you idiot.

Please stop posting here. You suck. You are obsessed with an obscure European player who will never play any significant role on the Spurs. We don't care. Vagilis doesn't matter. Shut up.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Also it's not certain that Pan wins Euroleague, that's still very far away. What if someone gets injured? And final 4 is just one game, anything can happen.

Even last game without Diamantidis they have 30 point lead against "good" Euroleague team Fenerbache in first half before coach put in 2nd and 3rd unit and tell team let up on them and hold ball to run shot clock all possesion.

Final score still 83-64 win in Turkey on road. Pana team need several injuries to even lose to team like Real since final 4 this year in Madrid.

[Extra Stout]

Please Ban KBP.

[ChumpDumper]

Not true. This happen before when Bulls play same game against Olympiacos. You always give fact that are lie. And always be prove wrong and act like never said such thing.Apparently the Spurs won the last time an NBA team played.

That's how much we care about this.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Or what?

What would the consequences have been had the NBA teams not played to win?

More Greek media BS.

Because in Europe media said it was "World Championship" game. Stern was informed of it. Even though coach of Pana did not care.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

That was the McDonald's Championship in 1997, you idiot.

Please stop posting here. You suck. You are obsessed with an obscure European player who will never play any significant role on the Spurs. We don't care. Vagilis doesn't matter. Shut up.

You the idiot this game try be brought back or you not understand simple logic?

It calls "McDonald's" game because Stern only care about marketing.

Stern working on marketing for the Spurs-Pana game now.

[ChumpDumper]

Because in Europe media said it was "World Championship" game. Stern was informed of it. Even though coach of Pana did not care.That wasn't my question.

What would the consequences have been had the NBA teams not played to win?

You're saying Stern was threatening NBA teams. What was the threat?

[Indazone]

Nuff said about all the hyperbole. Only way to settle this is on the court. Spurs vs Pana and both teams bring their "A" game.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

That wasn't my question.

What would the consequences have been had the NBA teams not played to win?

You're saying Stern was threatening NBA teams. What was the threat?

I say no such thing. I say Stern tell them try win game. Like say Obradovic just like Popovich both coach probably laugh at Stern stupid talk.

But anyway Spurs have been invite for the World Champion game so stop insult me.

[Indazone]

Of course the likelyhood of this matchup is extremely unlikely cause the Celtics are gonna win it all this year :D

[whottt]

Kepp in mind...Spurs have the guy who was the best Euroleague player in the World at the time he came to the NBA, and unlike many others...he completely transferred and actually got better. His name is Manu...

European champion will get it's butt kicked. We got the best guard ever produced by the Euroleague...not to mention the two Team Captains of the reigning Olympic Champion Team...and just to put the cherry on top, this team has continuity and players with extensive FIBA/Euroleague experience.

Don't expect the Olympics to happen here....



My only question would be who refs the game....not claiming that NBA refs have the right to go around pointing fingers...but they've been far less blatant in game altering than International Refs.

[whottt]

Never happened. The Spurs can't just agree to a post-postseason game on their own. There are no provisions for anything like it in the bargaining agreement with the players' union, and most players like to go on vacation after winning a championship.


I didn't read everything he wrote...but they do have some leeway in their preseason schedule don't they?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Kepp in mind...Spurs have the guy who was the best Euroleague player in the World at the time he came to the NBA, and unlike many others...he completely transferred and actually got better. His name is Manu...

European champion will get it's butt kicked. We got the best guard ever produced by the Euroleague...not to mention the two Team Captains of the reigning Olympic Champion Team...and just to put the cherry on top, this team has continuity and players with extensive FIBA/Euroleague experience.

Don't expect the Olympics to happen here....



My only question would be who refs the game....not claiming that NBA refs have the right to go around pointing fingers...but they've been far less blatant in game altering than International Refs.


Manu and Duncan better than player on PAO but PAO have 2 player better than parker.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Kepp in mind...Spurs have the guy who was the best Euroleague player in the World at the time he came to the NBA, and unlike many others...he completely transferred and actually got better. His name is Manu...

European champion will get it's butt kicked. We got the best guard ever produced by the Euroleague...not to mention the two Team Captains of the reigning Olympic Champion Team...and just to put the cherry on top, this team has continuity and players with extensive FIBA/Euroleague experience.

Don't expect the Olympics to happen here....



My only question would be who refs the game....not claiming that NBA refs have the right to go around pointing fingers...but they've been far less blatant in game altering than International Refs.


Stern will not allow any game unless all refs are NBA. :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

I say no such thing. I say Stern tell them try win game. Like say Obradovic just like Popovich both coach probably laugh at Stern stupid talk.You said he ordered them to. Why are you lying about what you said?


But anyway Spurs have been invite for the World Champion game so stop insult me.So I'm sure you have a link for it.

The McDonald's cup took place in October, making it just another preseason exercise for the NBA and yet another lie from a Greek poster.

[Indazone]

It would have to be a mixed Euroleague/NBA officiating crew. Alternating in majority numbers over a 5 to 7 game series.

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't read everything he wrote...but they do have some leeway in their preseason schedule don't they?Yes, preseason -- not right after the Finals. Two very different things.

[Indazone]

If all the refs are NBA refs how would that be fair?

[whottt]

Manu and Duncan better than player on PAO but PAO have 2 player better than parker.


Dude...Manu pretty much kicked everyone's ass in the 04 Olympics by himself. All his teamates were just caught up in his wake...

He's enough if you give him quality role players....and guess what?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If all the refs are NBA refs how would that be fair?

Nope Stern made rule before EuroChallenge this year from now on only NBA refs Euro team has to agree to this.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Yes, preseason -- not right after the Finals. Two very different things.

I never said "right after finals" no one say yert when it would be.

I leave forum now you are rudest person ever.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

One more thing, ESPN has been started calling Spurs "national champions" al lot. It report in Europe Stern is now wanting NBA champs to be called "American champs" he is already getting ready for the Euro partener with ULEB.

And yes I see now several time ESPN refer to nba as "American" or "national" championship.

But guess Americans can live in deny of this all they want.

[ChumpDumper]

I never said "right after finals" no one say yert when it would be.

I leave forum now you are rudest person ever.You mad?

Look, all you had to say was the Spurs might agree to another McDonald's Cup style competition next preseason if they win the championship.

And explain how Stern threatened NBA teams to play well against Euro teams.

[Bruno]

Games between NBA champion (Spurs, Celtics, Mavs, Suns...) and Euroleague champion (CSKA, Pana...) isn't that interesting. Top Euro teams are nowhere near top NBA teams.

[ChumpDumper]

One more thing, ESPN has been started calling Spurs "national champions" al lot. It report in Europe Stern is now wanting NBA champs to be called "American champs" he is already getting ready for the Euro partener with ULEB.

And yes I see now several time ESPN refer to nba as "American" or "national" championship.

But guess Americans can live in deny of this all they want.Manu and Pop started that trend. Look at our championship banners sometime. You're bitching in the wrong forum.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You mad?

Look, all you had to say was the Spurs might agree to another McDonald's Cup style competition next preseason if they win the championship.

And explain how Stern threatened NBA teams to play well against Euro teams.

You make up word "threatened" you always like this. I done deals with you tactics.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Games between NBA champion (Spurs, Celtics, Mavs, Suns...) and Euroleague champion (CSKA, Pana...) isn't that interesting. Top Euro teams are nowhere near top NBA teams.

Accords to Billy Pana team current right now is better than Rockets last year team but not as good as Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

You make up word "threatened" you always like this. I done deals with you tactics.You said Stern "ordered" the NBA teams to play to win. That means there would be come kind of consequence if they did not.

What would that consequence be?

[Indazone]

Still, it would have precednece. In the old ABA days there were always arguments about which league had the better team. Was Dr. J and the NJ Nets better than the Boston Celtics with John Havlicek? Everyone wanted to know and it generated a huge amount of interest.

[Indazone]

Accords to Billy Pana team current right now is better than Rockets last year team but not as good as Spurs.

LOL give it up Kill_Bill, you will not win this argument and simply go around in circles. Chumpdumper is really good at this.

[whottt]

I leave forum now you are rudest person ever.


I resent the hell out of that statement.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I resent the hell out of that statement.

I not talk about you.

[Pero]

Whottt is just offended because he wants to be the rudest. :lol

[Freeze]

Manu and Duncan better than player on PAO but PAO have 2 player better than parker.

Duncan > Manu = Parker

So who are those 2 players better than Manu ?

[wildbill2u]

I never said "right after finals" no one say yert when it would be.

I leave forum now you are rudest person ever.
Bill, you are passionate about your opinions and beliefs--and you're willing to struggle through language difficulties to express them. I like that.

But don't get too upset with these guys. They have no respect for either your opinions or your willingness express them in a difficult foreign language. You have to admit that most of your information doesn't have much to back it up so they'll continue to disbelieve it.

You're better off not arguing. Just say, "this is the information I have from this source and I believe it. Thank you for letting me express it to you."

[Freeze]

they have 30 point lead against "good" Euroleague team Fenerbache in first half before coach put in 2nd and 3rd unit and tell team let up on them and hold ball to run shot clock all possesion.


Pana was up by 4 at the half, and they never had a 30 points lead in that game :nope

Obradovic quote of the game :
"Fenerbahce Ulker is a good team with a combination of good players. For that reason, we came here a little bit wary of our opponent. And the 19 points difference at the end of the game was not the real differance of power between the two teams. We made a very bad start to the game and gave too many chances for offensive rebounds and made lots of turnovers just in the first quarter. But we started showing our real face in the second period. We balanced the game, set our offense and started to take the rebounds under our control. And when we start to get rebounds, we turned those into fastbreaks as much as we could to change the destiny of the game. And finally in the third period, we found the rythm that we were targeting before the match. We played as fast as we can and it worked well as we had a big margin. As I told you at the beginning, Fenerbahce is a good team with good concepts, perfect communication. I believe that they will be in top five in our group at the end of the first phase."

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Pana was up by 4 at the half, and they never had a 30 points lead in that game :nope

Obradovic quote of the game :
"Fenerbahce Ulker is a good team with a combination of good players. For that reason, we came here a little bit wary of our opponent. And the 19 points difference at the end of the game was not the real differance of power between the two teams. We made a very bad start to the game and gave too many chances for offensive rebounds and made lots of turnovers just in the first quarter. But we started showing our real face in the second period. We balanced the game, set our offense and started to take the rebounds under our control. And when we start to get rebounds, we turned those into fastbreaks as much as we could to change the destiny of the game. And finally in the third period, we found the rythm that we were targeting before the match. We played as fast as we can and it worked well as we had a big margin. As I told you at the beginning, Fenerbahce is a good team with good concepts, perfect communication. I believe that they will be in top five in our group at the end of the first phase."


Hmm guess imagine 25 point lead when bench all went in?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

http://www.nbalive-il.com/files/27/s/spanoulis%20ltl.jpg

They don't let "scrub" player make cover of NBA Live 08 international and Rocket fans and old coach all idiot if believe such "scrub" make cover of game.

Spurs knows his name is big name and big talent knowns all around world of basketball and understand value of it to them.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

what does have to do with anything? He didn't want to play in the NBA any longer you can't force someone to play if they don't want to?

He is a Big baby for leaving the NBA after 1 year and giving up...great character man to have on the Spurs!


But if manu treats same way as he was why would he wants stay either?

Manu also my favorite player of all along with Billy.

They very similar I knows Spur team and fan can have such great player and so do Billy.

[Hemotivo]

vaginis sucks

[FromWayDowntown]

But if manu treats same way as he was why would he wants stay either?

To prove that the treatment was unjustified? That seems reasonable to me.

Oh well -- at least we can be sure that we'll know about it every time Billy moves his bowels.

[ArgSpursFan.]

But if manu treats same way as he was why would he wants stay either?

Manu also my favorite player of all along with Billy.

They very similar I knows Spur team and fan can have such great player and so do Billy.

Manu actually had to wait in Italy for 4 years to have a chance in the NBA,and never gave up. And in his roockie year,He got Pop's roockie treatment,who is worst tham any other coach in the NBA, including Van Gundy.
Billy didn't like not being a superstar no more, that's why he gave up. He should learn to be a bit more humble first, before even thinking about coming back to the NBA.

[timvp]

Billy Thread!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Manu actually had to wait in Italy for 4 years to have a chance in the NBA,and never gave up. And in his roockie year,He got Pop's roockie treatment,who is worst tham any other coach in the NBA, including Van Gundy.
Billy didn't like not being a superstar no more, that's why he gave up. He should learn to be a bit more humble first, before even thinking about coming back to the NBA.

Coach Popovich not let player get absent of team if mother suicidal and at mental hospital and then make fun of player call him "mamas boy" and bench for all year when player complain about such thing to gm? I not believe Popovich have such action as Van Gundy do.

also Billy have play 5 years in Greece A1 league before join Rockets so he "wait" one year more than Manu.

[nkdlunch]

Damn, again w/this shit?

Spanoulis might be good in international but he is a nobody in NBA. that is why Manu and Sanoulis should not be mentioned in the same thread.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The Spurs don't have Spanoulis on their roster this season. So shut the fuck up about him until next season. We understand you think he has talent, but shut up about him until there's an actual chance of us signing him.

[cheguevara]

shut the fuck up with vaginis already

[Bruno]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/f/f0/180px-Tabuse.jpg

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'm now thoroughly convinced of his value to the Spurs.






Thanks.

[bdictjames]

Nobody wants to buy a videogame about NBA with a non-NBA player on it. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/f/f0/180px-Tabuse.jpg

Why didn't we trade Scola to Bakersfield for Yuta Tabuse when we had the chance?

Stupid front office!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I show this to let Spur fan understand...............Spanoulis is closest of player to Manu now try argue this. You Spur fan talk about thing without actual get facts. You will get player in Spanoulis that point guard version of Manu.

Manu Ginobili age 24 last year in Euroleague (actual his 2nd year of euroleague overall) 2001-2002

2001-2002 STATISTICS

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?seasoncode=E2001&pcode=AKX&gamecode=167

games 22
minutes 28.5

45% FG%
34% 3PT%
77.8% FT%

points per game 15.9

rebounds per game 3.8

assists per game 3.0

steals per game 2.5


Vassilis Spanoulis before join Rockets Euroleague season 2005-2006 (his actual ROOKIE season for Euroleague not 2nd year like Manu) age 23 one year younger than Manu season aboves

2005-2006 statistics

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=pan&pcode=JUO&seasoncode=E2005

games 23

minutes 27.8

53.4% FG%
36.8% 3PT%
78% FT%

points per game 14.6

rebounds per game 2.0

assists per game 3.1

steals per game 1.4

You fan really see no comparison? And this his rookie year and year younger at 23 than Manu 2nd year and year older at 24.

I say this because fan here have no know of what type player they get soon. Some fan here act like Manu 100 times better than him in Europe before join NBA no player almost identical. You Spur fan should learn what great player in Spanoulis await your team instead say such thing without even know just because base all on Van Gundy idiot coach. Remember same coach think Rafer Alston great player.

Maybe now you compare Manu before NBA year older and 2nd year Euroleague to Billy year younger and rookie year Euroleague maybe now you get proper truth before say some things you say act like Spurs think Spanoulis a joke player. As can see Spurs have player follow career exact like Manu.

[SequSpur]

wtf are you talkin about? who the fuck is this?

[easjer]

Why do you still post here about this shit? No one cares but you. I'm genuinely puzzled.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Damn, again w/this shit?

Spanoulis might be good in international but he is a nobody in NBA. that is why Manu and Sanoulis should not be mentioned in the same thread.

as I say in other thread you need get some fact right

I show this to let Spur fan understand...............Spanoulis is closest of player to Manu now try argue this. You Spur fan talk about thing without actual get facts. You will get player in Spanoulis that point guard version of Manu.

Manu Ginobili age 24 last year in Euroleague (actual his 2nd year of euroleague overall) 2001-2002

2001-2002 STATISTICS

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?seasoncode=E2001&pcode=AKX&gamecode=167

games 22
minutes 28.5

45% FG%
34% 3PT%
77.8% FT%

points per game 15.9

rebounds per game 3.8

assists per game 3.0

steals per game 2.5


Vassilis Spanoulis before join Rockets Euroleague season 2005-2006 (his actual ROOKIE season for Euroleague not 2nd year like Manu) age 23 one year younger than Manu season aboves

2005-2006 statistics

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=pan&pcode=JUO&seasoncode=E2005

games 23

minutes 27.8

53.4% FG%
36.8% 3PT%
78% FT%

points per game 14.6

rebounds per game 2.0

assists per game 3.1

steals per game 1.4

You fan really see no comparison? And this his rookie year and year younger at 23 than Manu 2nd year and year older at 24.

I say this because fan here have no know of what type player they get soon. Some fan here act like Manu 100 times better than him in Europe before join NBA no player almost identical. You Spur fan should learn what great player in Spanoulis await your team instead say such thing without even know just because base all on Van Gundy idiot coach. Remember same coach think Rafer Alston great player.

Maybe now you compare Manu before NBA year older and 2nd year Euroleague to Billy year younger and rookie year Euroleague maybe now you get proper truth before say some things you say act like Spurs think Spanoulis a joke player. As can see Spurs have player follow career exact like Manu.




Believe good for Spurs fan that team have better scout and pay more attention than fan of team do.

[SequSpur]

who in the shit are you talking about?

[SequSpur]

gay.............

[bdictjames]

Vassilis doesn't have what it takes to go against REAL competition. Nuff said.

[Hemotivo]

Manu can dunk

[bdictjames]

This guy has the guts. Hopefully he has some brains as well.

MANU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Billy the goat

[ChumpDumper]

Billy thread!

Superfluous even!

[Hemotivo]

put "spanoulis sucks" in google images
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks13.jpg
:lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Manu can dunk


http://www.sport24.gr/ast/cov/A1/A1_TELIKOS_SPANOULIS_KARFOMA_b.jpg


I guess you not realize Greek players be teach not try dunk in game save energy unless dunk can be made easy as see by picture Spanoulis can dunk whenever he want to. NBA fans have such strange opinion like "Greek player can no dunks just because they not try to must mean not able to" :rolleyes

[SequSpur]

ummm... WTF are you talking about?

[duncan228]

Billy thread!

Superfluous even!

:lmao

[Hemotivo]

he can't even play backup pg in hou

[exstatic]

Stop the madness.

[Bruno]

Two years ago, Spurs were close to get a player way better than Ginobili and Spanoulis.


Stats for this player during his ROOKIE euroleague year. He was 23 years old.

2003-2004 STATISTICS

games 20
minutes 30.5

56% FG%
39.6% 3PT%
91% FT%

points per game 19.4

rebounds per game 2.5

assists per game 2.1

steals per game 1.6


http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=CBV&seasoncode=E2003

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

he can't even play backup pg in hou

http://www.euroleague.net/main/standings

only undefeated team in Euroleague 6-0

http://www.galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/season2007_08/a1rank.asp?day=7

only undefeated team in Greece 7-0

http://www.galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/season2007_08/a1pltotrs.asp?s=03

lead Greek league in assists guess Van Gundy wrong about he "not real point guard"


:rolleyes

team ranked #1 team in Europe at 13-0 record

http://www.eurobasket.com/ranking.asp

No Team Record Points
1. Panathinaikos (GRE) 13-0 121
2. Khimky (RUS) 15-0 119
3. Real (ESP) 14-2 115
4. CSKA (RUS) 14-2 112
5. Joventut (ESP) 14-1 111
6. Montepaschi (ITA) 16-2 102
7. Barcelona (ESP) 12-4 100
8. Olympiacos (GRE) 10-3 99
9. Dynamo M. (RUS) 13-3 97
10. Crvena Zvezda (SRB) 13-4 96
11. Partizan (SRB) 14-4 95
12. Hemofarm (SRB) 10-7 91
13. Lietuvos (LTU) 19-3 90
14. Tau Ceramica (ESP) 11-5 90
15. T.Telekom (TUR) 11-2 89
16. Triumph (RUS) 12-4 87
17. Panionios (GRE) 7-4 86
18. Panellinios (GRE) 7-5 86
19. Nancy (FRA) 12-3 83
20. FMP (SRB) 6-11 83
21. Zalgiris (LTU) 17-4 81
22. Vojvodina (SRB) 6-6 80
23. Galatasaray (TUR) 10-3 79
24. Maccabi T-A (ISR) 8-3 79
25. Fenerbahce (TUR) 9-5 77
26. Pamesa (ESP) 10-5 76
27. Akasvayu (ESP) 10-5 76
28. Cibona (CRO) 10-8 76
29. ASVEL (FRA) 11-4 75
30. Lagun Aro (ESP) 7-3 73
31. BC Kyiv (UKR) 13-1 72
32. Zadar (CRO) 11-6 71
33. Besiktas (TUR) 10-3 71
34. Aris (GRE) 8-5 71
35. KK Zagreb (CRO) 5-9 71
36. Lottomatica (ITA) 10-8 69
37. Egaleo (GRE) 5-2 69
38. BK Ventsp. (LAT) 10-7 68
39. Efes P. (TUR) 8-6 67
40. Olimpija (SLO) 9-9 66
41. Karsiyaka (TUR) 6-2 65
42. Lukoil A. (BUL) 13-2 64
43. Azovmash (UKR) 11-4 64
44. Art.Dragons (GER) 12-4 63
45. ALBA (GER) 12-4 63
46. Unicaja (ESP) 9-7 63
47. G.Canaria (ESP) 8-7 63
48. ASK Riga (LAT) 14-5 62
49. Jerusalem (ISR) 7-4 62
50. KK Split (CRO) 5-7 62
51. Lok.Rostov (RUS) 7-5 61
52. Turow (POL) 10-3 59
53. Prokom (POL) 8-6 58
54. Unics (RUS) 7-8 58
55. Mega AM (SRB) 6-2 58
56. Swisslion Tak. (SRB) 6-2 58
57. Bamberg (GER) 10-7 57
58. Angelico (ITA) 8-4 57
59. Vichy (FRA) 7-3 57
60. Le Mans (FRA) 7-9 57
61. Nahariya (ISR) 5-3 57
62. Samara (RUS) 6-5 55
63. Ural Great (RUS) 6-5 55
64. Cholet (FRA) 7-5 54
65. BC Kalev (EST) 18-8 53
66. Roanne (FRA) 7-9 53
67. Ricoh Man. (ESP) 5-5 52
68. Bnei Hash. (ISR) 4-2 52
69. Nymburk (CZE) 15-4 51
70. M.Hainaut (BEL) 10-3 51
71. La Fortezza (ITA) 8-10 51
72. Slavonski Brod (CRO) 6-1 51
73. Pierrel (ITA) 7-5 50
74. Premiata (ITA) 7-5 50
75. Scavolini (ITA) 7-5 50
76. Siviglia Wear (ITA) 7-5 50
77. Air AV (ITA) 7-5 50
78. Siauliai (LTU) 13-9 49
79. Helios (SLO) 10-10 49
80. WTK Anwil (POL) 7-6 49
81. Charleroi (BEL) 10-6 48
82. Novi Sad (SRB) 5-3 48
83. Borac (SRB) 5-3 48
84. Radnicki 034 (SRB) 5-3 48
85. Leverkusen (GER) 8-3 47
86. Krka (SLO) 7-1 47
87. Zlatorog (SLO) 7-3 47
88. Hap.Holon (ISR) 3-2 47
89. Buducnost (MNT) 10-7 46
90. Barons/LMT (LAT) 8-7 46
91. Stal Ostrow (POL) 6-2 46
92. AEK (GRE) 4-5 46
93. Prostejov (CZE) 13-3 45
94. Ventspils au. (LAT) 11-2 45
95. Zabok (CRO) 6-2 45
96. Sibenka (CRO) 6-2 45
97. Spartak-P. (RUS) 4-5 45
98. Zemgale (LAT) 9-2 44
99. TU/Rock (EST) 14-9 43
100. Oostende (BEL) 9-7 43


Spanoulis lead best team in Europe and play in Euroleague means also best team in world outside NBA in scoring and assists overall.

Van Gundy these day???

He work for ESPN


I guess we know who right and who wrong on argument between player and coach about play time.

[Hemotivo]

van gundy lead the knicks to the nba finals

[Extra Stout]

May KBP be anathema.

[Mark in Austin]

so because he made the cover of a video game, that means he should play for the Spurs?

If only the bar was really set that low...


ps - most Spurs fans wanted to give him a chance... you need to send this shit to Billy. He's the one who decided to walk away fom the Spurs without trying.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He sucks.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

van gundy lead the knicks to the nba finals


in strike year and he STILL work for ESPN he also quit on Knicks team and he also get in trouble with GM for try bench Camby say he "not good enough for NBA" guess you "expert" on van Gundy too since know so little of him
:blah

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks13.jpg

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

May KBP be anathema.
I don't know, it's borderline amusing.

I like how he justifies his case for that Euro guy via pictures.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

so because he made the cover of a video game, that means he should play for the Spurs?

If only the bar was really set that low...


ps - most Spurs fans wanted to give him a chance... you need to send this shit to Billy. He's the one who decided to walk away fom the Spurs without trying.

Rocket owner very mad Van Gundy one reason he be fires team lose $10 million the marketing money from Greece when Spanoulis leave team. I guess accords to Spur fan Spur team not interest in $10 million market money from Greece?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I don't know, it's borderline amusing.

I like how he justifies his case for that Euro guy via pictures.

I not do such thing I just respond to stupid comment like he can not do dunk. I guess typical fan here judge player not even know anything about him. I start think Spur fan be no smarter than Rocket fan.

I be sad my best NBA team for my favorite have also so many "popcorn" type fans.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I not do such thing I just respond to stupid comment like he can not do dunk. I guess typical fan here judge player not even know anything about him. I start think Spur fan be no smarter than Rocket fan.

I be sad my best NBA team for my favorite have also so many "popcorn" type fans.
:corn:

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I not do such thing I just respond to stupid comment like he can not do dunk. I guess typical fan here judge player not even know anything about him. I start think Spur fan be no smarter than Rocket fan.

I be sad my best NBA team for my favorite have also so many "popcorn" type fans.
What point are you trying to prove here?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Two years ago, Spurs were close to get a player way better than Ginobili and Spanoulis.


Stats for this player during his ROOKIE euroleague year. He was 23 years old.

2003-2004 STATISTICS

games 20
minutes 30.5

56% FG%
39.6% 3PT%
91% FT%

points per game 19.4

rebounds per game 2.5

assists per game 2.1

steals per game 1.6


http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=CBV&seasoncode=E2003


First panathinaikos team much better than team either Macas or Manu played on.

I guess Spur fan think same stat play on Bobcats and Spurs mean same thing? Spur fans get such low bball IQ now like Rocket fan?

Also you know Byron Scott just exact same coach like Van Gundy and Macas good player so waht your point? I know your point be you know not of Euroleague basketball you really believe Byron Scott and Jeff van Gundy good coaches.

Then how come Marcus Camby say Van Gundy worst coach ever? Then how come Jason Kidd say Byron Scott probable dumbest coach he ever met in his life?

Guess you really believe these player also "cry baby and pussy" too just like Spanoulis and Macas?

[Spurs Brazil]

Spanoulis is afraid of NBA

I hope we never see him in Spurs uniform

Manu is fearless. "Billy" can't even put Manu shoes

[ChumpDumper]

Billy is not coming back.

He told you the amount he wants, and that amount is obviously more than the Spurs would pay him.

He is of no importance to the Spurs.

The Spurs will make more money off popcorn sales than they have will off Vangelis. I will admit I always liked Chariots of Fire though.

[Bruno]

First panathinaikos team much better than team either Macas or Manu played on.

I guess Spur fan think same stat play on Bobcats and Spurs mean same thing? Spur fans get such low bball IQ now like Rocket fan?

Time to get a clue.
Manu's team reach the final in 01-02.
Macas' team in 03-04 and Spanoulis' team in 05-06 did about the same thing.




Also you know Byron Scott just exact same coach like Van Gundy and Macas good player so waht your point? I know your point be you know not of Euroleague basketball you really believe Byron Scott and Jeff van Gundy good coaches.

Then how come Marcus Camby say Van Gundy worst coach ever? Then how come Jason Kidd say Byron Scott probable dumbest coach he ever met in his life?

Guess you really believe these player also "cry baby and pussy" too just like Spanoulis and Macas?

Sure, Byron Scott and JVG are horrible coaches. :rolleyes
Macijauskas and Spanoulis failing in nba is only because of their horrible coach. :rolleyes

I've put Macijauskas stats for one reason : saying that Spanoulis is close to Ginobili only because they had the same stats in Euroleague is stupid.
You had to understand than Euroleague isn't nba. A player can be good in Euroleague and sucks in nba.
Maybe Spanoulis could be one day a good nba player but putting great stats in Euroleague doesn't mean that the player will be a good nba player.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Time to get a clue.
Manu's team reach the final in 01-02.
Macas' team in 03-04 and Spanoulis' team in 05-06 did about the same thing.




Sure, Byron Scott and JVG are horrible coaches. :rolleyes
Macijauskas and Spanoulis failing in nba is only because of their horrible coach. :rolleyes

I've put Macijauskas stats for one reason : saying that Spanoulis is close to Ginobili only because they had the same stats in Euroleague is stupid.
You had to understand than Euroleague isn't nba. A player can be good in Euroleague and sucks in nba.
Maybe Spanoulis could be one day a good nba player but putting great stats in Euroleague doesn't mean that the player will be a good nba player.


So you agree then Camby and Kidd also "pussies"?

Also you think Manu team Kinder then compare to Billy team now Panathinaikos you crazy. You see how Billy get award places after this year and win championships. Guess Spur fan not deserve such player either like Rockets fan. Only fan have any brain seem be Panathinaikos fan.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Time to get a clue.
Manu's team reach the final in 01-02.
Macas' team in 03-04 and Spanoulis' team in 05-06 did about the same thing.




Sure, Byron Scott and JVG are horrible coaches. :rolleyes
Macijauskas and Spanoulis failing in nba is only because of their horrible coach. :rolleyes

I've put Macijauskas stats for one reason : saying that Spanoulis is close to Ginobili only because they had the same stats in Euroleague is stupid.
You had to understand than Euroleague isn't nba. A player can be good in Euroleague and sucks in nba.
Maybe Spanoulis could be one day a good nba player but putting great stats in Euroleague doesn't mean that the player will be a good nba player.


Of all player NBA who this remind you most of? Not Manu? If not think so must not be real Manu fan.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2JxYa3QqBYo

[Bruno]

So you agree then Camby and Kidd also "pussies"?

:rolleyes
It's not because a player didn't like a coach that you say "either the coach sucks or the player is a "pussy" ".



Also you think Manu team Kinder then compare to Billy team now Panathinaikos you crazy. You see how Billy get award places after this year and win championships.

You're comparing Sapnoulis in 05-06 with Manu in 01-02. the level of Spanoulis' team in 07-08 has nothing to do with that.



Guess Spur fan not deserve such player either like Rockets fan. Only fan have any brain seem be Panathinaikos fan.

Thanks for the insult. :rolleyes

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Billy is not coming back.

He told you the amount he wants, and that amount is obviously more than the Spurs would pay him.

He is of no importance to the Spurs.

The Spurs will make more money off popcorn sales than they have will off Vangelis. I will admit I always liked Chariots of Fire though.

How come Buford, Lindsey, Parker, Popovich have been calls him lately then?

[ChumpDumper]

How come Buford, Lindsey, Parker, Popovich have been calls him lately then?If they are, it's only to try to lower his asking price.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

:rolleyes
It's not because a player didn't like a coach that you say "either the coach sucks or the player is a "pussy" ".



You're comparing Sapnoulis in 05-06 with Manu in 01-02. the level of Spanoulis' team in 07-08 has nothing to do with that.



Thanks for the insult. :rolleyes

But accords Spur fan because Spanoulis say Van Gundy offense poor and he get sent dog house all year because he say this this mean he "suck" how come Greek player get different standard. You just admit this not fair argument.

And I give You Manu SECOND year Manu age 24 Billy FIRST year Billy 23, just like you argue Washington "better" than Billy because he "younger" in other thread now you argue it "not same because different team"

You call pull any argument out of back end as fit you bias opinion.

Now it not matter Billy rookie and year younger and Manu older and not rookie in stat compare but with Washington it somehow make only matter to you.

Maybe you try learn something other than player on Spur team.

[MrChug]

KBP...you are officially the most dimented moron this site has ever seen. REALLY???? Do you REALLY think that? Lemme ask you something, how can you compare an NBA All-Star and a perennial difference maker on the NBA's best team to someone WHO CAN'T EVEN KEEP A JOB IN THE N-B-FUCKIN-A?!?!?!

Kill yourself now please.

[Bruno]

And I give You Manu SECOND year Manu age 24 Billy FIRST year Billy 23, just like you argue Washington "better" than Billy because he "younger" in other thread now you argue it "not same because different team"


and I give you Macijauskas FIRST year at the same age than Spanoulis.
By using your way to compare players : Macijauskas >>> Spanoulis.

Now, you had to realize that your way to compare players sucks.
First, Euroleague isn't nba. Some players doesn't translate well from euroleague to nba.
Second, if a player is better than another one at 23, it doesn't mean that he will be better than him at 28.

Think about that.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Since Spur fan believe I lie and Spur not want Spanoulis explain to me how they think coach tell lie then?

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA101407.04C.spursNOTES.en.39e9f7b.html

Missing Vassilis: Popovich says he wishes Vassilis Spanoulis, now a guard for Panathinaikos, would have stayed in the States.

Spanoulis, traded to the Spurs in the offseason as part of the Luis Scola deal, was waived in early July after he made it clear he had no intention of remaining in the NBA.

"He had a great chance to be a backup on our team," Popovich said. "I was disappointed when he said he didn't want to play in the NBA anymore. I didn't even get to talk to him about it. Not one word."


This before Spanoulis demand trade and after this remember Parker be ask by Popovich to talk to him throughs Parker and asks him stay remember I prove this before with posts here and link to story. So Spur fan then if what say true they believe Spur not want Spanoulis they call Popovich liar. Guess no fan here like deal with facts.

[ChumpDumper]

Billy thread!

Number 3!

Let's go for the record!

SpanoulisTalk!

[Tippecanoe]

these billy threads are getting redundant. they all say the same thing. we get the point. billy > god. now can we move on to something else?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

KBP...you are officially the most dimented moron this site has ever seen. REALLY???? Do you REALLY think that? Lemme ask you something, how can you compare an NBA All-Star and a perennial difference maker on the NBA's best team to someone WHO CAN'T EVEN KEEP A JOB IN THE N-B-FUCKIN-A?!?!?!

Kill yourself now please.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA101407.04C.spursNOTES.en.39e9f7b.html

Missing Vassilis: Popovich says he wishes Vassilis Spanoulis, now a guard for Panathinaikos, would have stayed in the States.

Spanoulis, traded to the Spurs in the offseason as part of the Luis Scola deal, was waived in early July after he made it clear he had no intention of remaining in the NBA.

"He had a great chance to be a backup on our team," Popovich said. "I was disappointed when he said he didn't want to play in the NBA anymore. I didn't even get to talk to him about it. Not one word."


Like say you think you speak for Popovich? So now fans know better than coach what team is doing?

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you posting the same crap in multiple threads?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

and I give you Macijauskas FIRST year at the same age than Spanoulis.
By using your way to compare players : Macijauskas >>> Spanoulis.

Now, you had to realize that your way to compare players sucks.
First, Euroleague isn't nba. Some players doesn't translate well from euroleague to nba.
Second, if a player is better than another one at 23, it doesn't mean that he will be better than him at 28.

Think about that.

No you use player that not similar. You not understand simple concept.

Try go to basketballreference.com they have thing call similar player. You use similar stat similar age not different stat or I guess this concept more than you able understands?

You get player that like each other. You seem not even have any able know what this even be.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Why are you posting the same crap in multiple threads?

Becuase Spur fan who say I liar is be all expose that they are liars not me. I back up all with links to word from Spur relate people themself but fans keep acting like I liar.

I guess Spur fan not even believe there own assist gm and own coach and own point guard who all be on record in press they want Spanoulis and have ask for him.

But all I get is be accused of being liar. Ok then I give up forget such site you Spurs fans not real fans of team. I know how true fans be they not act like this. If we be told by Pana team that they ask for player we believe it we not accuse person telling us of being liar.

[ChumpDumper]

Here are the facts:

Bill is not a Spur.

There is no verifiable evidence he will be a Spur in the future.

The Spurs have never paid an unproven talent from Europe the kind of money you say Bill wants.

There is no need to argue about the relative worth of Bill in three threads that you yourself started at once.

Definitely not during a Spurs game.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

No I go away. I see Spur fan just as rude and immature and foolish like Rocket fan. I so sad see fan of my favorite NBA team also be so much like fan of stupid Rocket team.

Panathinaikos fan be much better and true basketball fan. So I gives up try deal with NBA fan with my thought that they are like my Greek fan. Now I understands this not true NBA fan just do not have basic basketball knowledge.

I think I go away from forum now and stop give info on Spanoulis to Spurs because fan believe it all lies.

[ChumpDumper]

I think I go away
:elephant :downspin: :clap :drunk :spin :toast :smokin :king :bking :sequ :tongue :duck :cat

[Spurs Brazil]

Put this shit in the trolls forum

[AnotherArgie]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bvhR30ojBy4

Are you serious? Even my handicapped grandma can make that stupid layup.

I can't believe that crap even has a video on the internet.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If after fan here watch NBA scout video of Spanoulis and say they not want such point guard on Spurs I will leave forum. If fan can no see what this point guard can do and what he can be for Spurs team then I gives up and will leave.

We not call him "Greek Steve Nash" in Hellas for no reason

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2JxYa3QqBYo


If you still think this great play maker best play maker we have seen in Europe has no place be in NBA or Spurs then I will leave forum and knows such fan of NBA not deserve such player and I tell Billy Spur fan seem same as Rocket fan he better to stay in Athens with team and fan that understand what his play making ability be.

So I make this deal with fan here. You can show if you really understands game or not. If not I leave such place. But fan have to watch NBA scout video here

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVMW2Gngu2k

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

We don't want him.

[duncan228]

Four threads?
To say the same thing?

[itzsoweezee]

greek steve nash!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahhahahaha

by the way, whatever happened to the greek shaq? a few drafts ago, he was supposedly going to be a monster in the NBA, lmao.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

How can I say this nicely?























































































































































FUCK OFF.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Put this shit in the trolls forum

[exstatic]

We don't want "such PG". Will you fucking leave already?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

greek steve nash!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahhahahaha

by the way, whatever happened to the greek shaq? a few drafts ago, he was supposedly going to be a monster in the NBA, lmao.
Still being detained by the Clippers. :dramaquee

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

greek steve nash!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahhahahaha

by the way, whatever happened to the greek shaq? a few drafts ago, he was supposedly going to be a monster in the NBA, lmao.

He weigh 398 pound now here he next to Marc Jackson who be weigh 276 pound on Oly list we have the Olympiacos team picture.


http://www.superbasket.gr/data/teams/a1/osfp-team.jpg

See how he make Jackson look like little kid! He not play because he so fat we calls Shaq "Baby Sofo" now.

[stepmonkey]

I not want such point guard on Spurs.


Bye.

[TDMVPDPOY]

manu is a fierce competitor without boundaries...

spanu? a pussy who cant adapt to the nba after 1 season

your telling me he cant beat out luther head for the rockets startin pg? or alston or whoever is playin G on the sprockets

[Sense]

I not want such point guard...

bye bye dude

[Extra Stout]

I will admit I always liked Chariots of Fire though.
Gyro sandwich... mmm.
Dolmades... souklavi... mousaka...
Mezedes...
Baklava... loukoumia
Spanakopita

Now I'm hungry.

[Stump]

I would love to have V-Span on the team (for the right price), and I think many other Spurs fans would too once he got here, but you seriously have to look at the situation.

Thus far he has proven nothing in the NBA. Nothing. Perhaps it is mostly not his fault thanks to Van Gundy, but it's still true. Kill Bill, if you really want people to support him, you can't just spam the forum about how amazing he is and that the Spurs FO is stupid. Right now, all you're really doing is souring people's opinions of him.

[Extra Stout]

How come Buford, Lindsey, Parker, Popovich have been calls him lately then?
They think maybe he can convince you to stop posting.

[Extra Stout]

Do you ever get a gyro where the lamb is seasoned just right, and they put a little extra sadziki in there?
Man.

[ehz33satx]

Kill Bill, can't you ever come on this forum and speak of something else besides Spanoulis? Seriously. Does your world revolve around Billy and that's it? He did not come to the Spurs so give it up already. If he comes over next year, that's cool, if not, nobody here is going to cry but you and you alone. Come up with something or someone else to talk about, or else keep your 2 cents to yourself.

[BonnerDynasty]

shut the fuck up with vaginis already

[Obstructed_View]

Kill Bill.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

yeah, this sure isn't a blatant attempt at pimping a player because of nationality, no sir.

[Obstructed_View]

There is no way I'd want that retard on the Spurs. It's bad enough having one of his bandwagon fans here.

[BonnerDynasty]

We don't want him.

[Obstructed_View]

How come Buford, Lindsey, Parker, Popovich have been calls him lately then?
To tell him what a dumbass momma's boy he is?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Just go the fuck away!!

[DisciplinaryOffice]

Whatever the consequences, I'd just like to take a moment to say that Kill_Bill_Pana is the best thing to happen to SpursTalk I've seen, and probably deserves his own running thread pinned to the top of the board--if not a scouting job.

Sorry everyone gives you such a hard time, dude. I, for one, can't wait to see Billy in a Spurs uni. Love your posts--keep 'em coming.

[ehz33satx]

So all Kill Bill talks about is Spanoulis, yet he is the best thing to happen to this forum? What a crock. You his cousin or something? Boy keeps on coming back here like a bad case of the clap. All i say is contribute something else besides talking about Billy each and every single time.

[smrattler]

Gyro sandwich... mmm.
Dolmades... souklavi... mousaka...
Mezedes...
Baklava... loukoumia
Spanakopita

Ah, now I know why she called it the "Spankopita", I never got it...

[LEN BIAS 4EVER]

Dude highlights from a game against Qatar are meaningless.

[mystargtr34]

I want Span on this team if hes willing to to go through the rough spots that come with bein part of a championship team like the the Spurs.

[batboy]

http://www.mgroves.com/images/do_not_want_star_wars.jpg

[batboy]

http://www.mgroves.com/images/do_not_want.jpg

[batboy]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/captions03211.jpg

[Stand]

If Spanoulis couldn't handle being in the NBA under Van Gundy then he would be eatten alive by Pop. The dude isn't mentally strong enough for this team.

[eisfeld]

http://lolpresident.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/donotwant.PNG

Even Beno would kick V-Span's ass...

[Indazone]

oh boy..yep I knew that would happen. Nothing against Spanoulis but yeah spamming the board will get you nowhere. It's like being a Steve Nash fan and telling everyone here that they should want him on the team. But it ain't going to happen for the forseeable future and it's not pertinant right now. If trade talks really did heat up for Nash then yeah, there's something to talk about. Same for Vspan.

[MagnusKrauss]

its not that we don't want him. it's because he's not worth it. he just might have nashie's skills, but he also has nashie's tag price. if he signs for the minimum, why not?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Dude highlights from a game against Qatar are meaningless.

Is highlights vs team USA also mean nothing then?

Maybe should look more careful at Vassilis Spanoulis Kills Team USA 2006 World Championship video then.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVMW2Gngu2k


Is also mean nothing when he beat France and score 19 point against Parker and Parker score 12 and they play head to head all game?

I also mean nothing when Manu beat team USA? Or these thing only mean nothing if Greek player or player not on Spur team? Seem be lots of thing Manu accomplish that fan here brag about also "means nothing" if be compare same way Billy is by same fan.


:depressed


So really this also mean nothing???

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2JxYa3QqBYo

[ancestron]

Well things not work out so much way had hoped no?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

its not that we don't want him. it's because he's not worth it. he just might have nashie's skills, but he also has nashie's tag price. if he signs for the minimum, why not?

$13,500,000 over 3 years is what he tell me he need. This if he opt out of deal after 1 year and do Spurs favor of not have to pay buyout to Panathinaikos. Understands this just be equal to what Barcelona offers him with salary and benefit to plays with them. He also take less money to play with Panathinaikos to be at home but also remembers before leave Rockets he offers $16,500,000 by PAO team but have to take less this time because of team had already sign so many other player and still want sign Sharas too.

But he can get similar offer from PAO and Olympiacos in future.

So he be giving Spurs DISCOUNT.

Also Nash have 6 years $60 million contract with Suns so how is $13.5 millions same as $60 millions? You think Spurs not interest in get new 6 man in Billy and when Barry and Finley leave Manu start and this only cost $13.5 million?

How such player you get for $13.5 million? You have to pay at least all MLE for any American player that can do this be 6 man on champion team. You fan have no grasp of basic things.

[ancestron]

dude, you're not keeping your end of the deal.
Fan watchie, fan no likey, now is time for you to leavey

[MaNuMaNiAc]

300 posts and all of them about Spanoulis...

What are you? his fucking manager? You working on commision or something???

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

300 posts and all of them about Spanoulis...

What are you? his fucking manager? You working on commision or something???

If you Manu fan for real like me then you should also understand what Billy can do.

Compare to Manu

Manu have America champions, World Champions 2nd place and Olympics champion

Billy have Europes champions which much higher than America champions maybe even world champions, he have 2nd World Champions and he have 4th Olympics champions

and he lead scorer player of Hellas team. You not able to have same understand of what he do international as what Manu do? Why Spurs not want most success player in FIBA in world that available them that not already on team?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

If you Manu fan for real like me then you should also understand what Billy can do.

Compare to Manu

Manu have America champions, World Champions 2nd place and Olympics champion

Billy have Europes champions which much higher than America champions maybe even world champions, he have 2nd World Champions and he have 4th Olympics champions

and he lead scorer player of Hellas team. You not able to have same understand of what he do international as what Manu do? Why Spurs not want most success player in FIBA in world that available them that not already on team?

ok... its taking me a little to decipher the dialect, but first impressions would sujest you still haven't answered my question, have you??

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

ok... its taking me a little to decipher the dialect, but first impressions would sujest you still haven't answered my question, have you??

As says before I meets him in Amarrousion where he first play for our team there. We friend but his manager we not like in Hellas. His manager one who convince him leave Spurs because manager get percent shares of buyout AND new contract with PAO team so if Billy stay with Spurs manager just get share of Rocket contract which be much smaller.

Agent one that kept telling him to leave and convince him even though because his mom sick and he need leave Spurs for one year for her manager one convince him sign big 3 years with big buyout but manager had to agree player opt out deal with after one year of PAO because Spurs wants Billy back. But manager greed try ruin this. I tell Billy before what we thinks here of his manager. :rolleyes

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kill Bill, let me see if I can speak to you in your own language so you might get the point......














Please, for love of God the!! Stop tell me about the Spanoulis Billy the player.

Sucks does pg for the Euro suck suckity suck. We like more hear not him no and no you especially not so.

Go please away post stopping about no more him.




Span spam more no.

[whottt]

http://www.mgroves.com/images/do_not_want.jpg


:lol

[Mister Sinister]

http://masklinnscans.free.fr/4chan/please_leave_5.jpg

[CubanMustGo]

$13,500,000 over 3 years is what he tell me he need. This if he opt out of deal after 1 year and do Spurs favor of not have to pay buyout to Panathinaikos. Understands this just be equal to what Barcelona offers him with salary and benefit to plays with them. He also take less money to play with Panathinaikos to be at home but also remembers before leave Rockets he offers $16,500,000 by PAO team but have to take less this time because of team had already sign so many other player and still want sign Sharas too.

But he can get similar offer from PAO and Olympiacos in future.

So he be giving Spurs DISCOUNT.

Also Nash have 6 years $60 million contract with Suns so how is $13.5 millions same as $60 millions? You think Spurs not interest in get new 6 man in Billy and when Barry and Finley leave Manu start and this only cost $13.5 million?

How such player you get for $13.5 million? You have to pay at least all MLE for any American player that can do this be 6 man on champion team. You fan have no grasp of basic things.

We don't give a fuck about Vaginis, and

We don't give a fuck about you!

Fuck off and die already.

[wildbill2u]

Kill Bill, I watched both vids twice. I came to these conclusions.

1. Spanoulis doesn't have a NBA shot. He was even missing layups. I'll concede he got fouled on some of them, but Parker would have finished. Spanoulis wasn't even close on the trajectory on some of them. He can't make it at SG.

2. On Defense he is very agressive and I like that. I don't know if he has the footspeed to be that agressive and succeed in the NBA against quicker point guards.

3. His Passing is very good and I can see why you compare him to Nash. Sometimes it doesn't look like he has a seam, but he is able to thread it in there. Good vision. But is he fast enough to play against NBA PGs?

4. Free throw shooting is excellent. Perhaps his lack of real shooting skills could be offset by getting to the free throw line on shots where he misses.

Summary: He may light up the Euro league, but seems to be a 'tweener' (PG OR SG?)in the NBA who might make it or not.

Salary Requirements:
Spanoulis tells you he wants 13,500,000 for three years from the Spurs and could get 16,000,000+ elsewhere in Europe. Let's look at our payroll before the season:
Tim Duncan -- $19,014,188
Tony Parker -- $10,500,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,079,811
Brent Barry -- $5,544,370
Bruce Bowen -- $4,125,000
Robert Horry -- $3,630,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Michael Finley -- $3,103,000
Francisco Elson -- $3,000,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590

Spanoulis's figure would put him at a salary higher than Bowen and all the rest of the role players on down the line. Do you really think the Spurs, with one of the best Front Offices in the league, are going to pay out $4.5 million a year to a so-far unproven NBA talent with the qualifications(?) listed above? I don't think the team and the player will be able to get an agreement on salary, especially with the evil manager in the background.

He's a risky choice because of temperament and unproven NBA talent. I'd take him back on a one year make good contract at $1,500,000 and let his play determine his value in the NBA.

[ChumpDumper]

So he be giving Spurs DISCOUNT.It's still too much. The Spurs will not blow their entire midlevel exception on a guy who couldn't average 3 points a game in the NBA, no matter how many excuses you make for that. You may know Greek basketball, but we know the Spurs and the NBA.

[bigfan]

Kill Bill, I watched both vids twice. I came to these conclusions.

1. Spanoulis doesn't have a NBA shot. He was even missing layups. I'll concede he got fouled on some of them, but Parker would have finished. Spanoulis wasn't even close on the trajectory on some of them. He can't make it at SG.

2. On Defense he is very agressive and I like that. I don't know if he has the footspeed to be that agressive and succeed in the NBA against quicker point guards.

3. His Passing is very good and I can see why you compare him to Nash. Sometimes it doesn't look like he has a seam, but he is able to thread it in there. Good vision. But is he fast enough to play against NBA PGs?

4. Free throw shooting is excellent. Perhaps his lack of real shooting skills could be offset by getting to the free throw line on shots where he misses.

Summary: He may light up the Euro league, but seems to be a 'tweener' (PG OR SG?)in the NBA who might make it or not.

Salary Requirements:
Spanoulis tells you he wants 13,500,000 for three years from the Spurs and could get 16,000,000+ elsewhere in Europe. Let's look at our payroll before the season:
Tim Duncan -- $19,014,188
Tony Parker -- $10,500,000
Manu Ginobili -- $9,079,811
Brent Barry -- $5,544,370
Bruce Bowen -- $4,125,000
Robert Horry -- $3,630,000
Fabricio Oberto -- $3,167,420
Michael Finley -- $3,103,000
Francisco Elson -- $3,000,000
Matt Bonner -- $2,750,000
Beno Udrih -- $1,747,096
Jacque Vaughn - $1,219,590

Spanoulis's figure would put him at a salary higher than Bowen and all the rest of the role players on down the line. Do you really think the Spurs, with one of the best Front Offices in the league, are going to pay out $4.5 million a year to a so-far unproven NBA talent with the qualifications(?) listed above? I don't think the team and the player will be able to get an agreement on salary, especially with the evil manager in the background.

He's a risky choice because of temperament and unproven NBA talent. I'd take him back on a one year make good contract at $1,500,000 and let his play determine his value in the NBA.

Well said.

[TheAuthority]

This video is a bad example of why we should want him. He might be a good player, but he looks like garbage on this video. He has some nice drive and kick passes, but most, if not all NBA point guards can do that, especially in Europe. To me, it looks like he only has above average vision, good free throw shooter, average touch from the outside, poor finisher... and I can't see any defense. I don't see the big deal about this player.

[Budkin]

Spanoulis is a pussy made of the same stuff as Fran Vasquez. He is not wanted here.

[anakha]

With KBP and the Churches of Beno and Scola around, I sometimes wonder if Spurs fans are actually the minority around here.

[Darkwaters]

I would definitely take Spanoulis, for the right price. The guy has skills. But 4.5M per is way out of my thinking. If Spanoulis is serious about playing in the NBA then he can sign a Udoka style deal and prove he belongs. Even Arvydas Macijauskas only took 2.5M from the Hornets when he came over...and they were desperate for outside shooting. The Spurs are hardly desperate for anything Spanoulis can offer (but definitely interested). If he won't settle for anything lower than 4.5M then I'm not interested. Period.

Frankly though, this is getting old. KillBillPana, I think you've started enough threads about Billy. Theres not much to report right now, so stop spamming the forums. When the offseason hits (and if there is any rumbling in the Spurs or Spanoulis camp) then we can start more threads on the guy. But until then, enough is freaking enough!

[objective]

I like the Spanoulis updates and like reading Kill Bill Pana's posts.

I just think there should be a single thread, like the Official Scola Thread, and the Official Beno Thread.

We need an "Official Spanoulis Thread"

[Slomo]

Kill Bill, let me see if I can speak to you in your own language so you might get the point......














Please, for love of God the!! Stop tell me about the Spanoulis Billy the player.

Sucks does pg for the Euro suck suckity suck. We like more hear not him no and no you especially not so.

Go please away post stopping about no more him.




Span spam more no.Finally something I can understand without using babelfish.

[biba]

Dear KBP,

Thanks a lot for your great contributions to this forum.

Unfortunately, and obviously, people here are stupid and stubborn.

For whatever reason, they can't see, hear or listen unless this is SPURS - SAN ANTONIO SPURS - related.

Your words are lost in this desert.

And I feel how sad you can be by yourself.


But I have good news for you, brother.

Somewhere, people - clever, open-minded - are in bad need of a prophet.

They are waiting for you though they don't know it and you don't know it neither.

How can you reach them?

Go there and write the same words you wrote in this forum hundreds of times, relentlessly - as a point guard relentlessly taking it to the rim -:

www.topix.com/forum/nba/cleveland-cavaliers
miamiheatwave.com/forums/
lakers.topbuzz.com/


Tell the truth, bring the light.
And by the way, forget and forgive us.

And please, don't say thank you, we didn' deserve you.

[nfg3]

Like some I would take him for the right price but he isn't getting anywhere near what KBP says he needs. His needs - 13.50M over 3 years :drunk - and the Spurs needs are two different things.

KBP you need to understand - V-Span is an unproven player on the NBA level. He will have to earn that type of salary you think he deserves. Nobody in this league will give him that based on your opinions and youtube.

And Chumpdumper is right - people in this forum know the NBA better than you and what particularly works in FIBA doesn't neccessarily work in the NBA.

Take Darkwaters advice and chill until the off season. Then your threads will have more relevancy.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

KBP - I'll make it simple for you:

Coach Pop = mentally tough
Spurs = mentally tough

Billy = ran away from NBA like little girl = NOT mentally tough.

I don't mind if you stick around here, the more the merrier, but give up on the obsession dude, seriously...

[Mark in Austin]

i dont care how talented he is...

HE CHOSE TO LEAVE THE SPURS.

i don't care what his agent told him...

IT WAS ULTIMATELY HIS CHOICE, AND HE CHOSE TO LEAVE THE SPURS.

why would the Spurs trust any significant responsibility to an unproven player who doesn't even have the balls to deal with the pressure of his own agent?

IT WAS HIS CHOICE. HE MADE THE WRONG ONE.

Stop trying to convince fans that a player that disrespected the team by walking away from a contract and a chance to play for them now deserves more money than Bruce Bowen. Fuck that and Fuck him.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

If the message still isn't clear, let me help you out.

Fucking leave already.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

This is his NBA video on the youtube you tell me he not have speed and shoot ability for NBA or quick enough? He make the other players look SLOW.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2JxYa3QqBYo

If he not have NBA talents then this video must be fake magic

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

If the message still isn't clear, let me help you out.

Fucking leave already.

[Darkwaters]

I like the Spanoulis updates and like reading Kill Bill Pana's posts.

I just think there should be a single thread, like the Official Scola Thread, and the Official Beno Thread.

We need an "Official Spanoulis Thread"

I would be fine with that. If KBP wanted to convert this (or any one of his other many threads) into an Official Spanoulis Thread, I'd be fine with that. Post youtube videos to your hearts delight. But keep it centralized into one thread. I don't have a problem with him speaking his mind...moreso, I have a problem with the countless duplicate threads that clutter everything.

[batboy]

Finally something I can understand without using babelfish.

I'll give you a primer:

Σπανούλης = DO NOT WANT

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I agree this I make this officials thread of Billy from hellas to San Antonio.


Like I say how can any person watch video below and not think he can be great player in NBA?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2JxYa3QqBYo

I am sure Popovich would play this player and I believe Van Gundy idiot for sees such ability then bench player all year.

You tells me rafer alstons and Head can do these thing? :blah

They are such suck player it a joke. And Spurs two backup point guard have no skills such as Spanoulis have should be obvious to Spur fan.

[batboy]

I will try to make the simple:

The Spurs have an All-Star point guard.

The Spurs do not have €5,000,000.

Spanoulis is hardly the first Eurpoean star whose mental toughness was found lacking in the NBA.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

And Spurs two backup point guard have no skills such as Spanoulis have should be obvious to Spur fan.
First off, Spanoulis didn't have the balls to stay in the NBA, so he had to go back to Europe.

Secondly, Washington will flat out school Vag.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I will try to make the simple:

The Spurs have an All-Star point guard.

The Spurs do not have €5,000,000.

Spanoulis is hardly the first Eurpoean star whose mental toughness was found lacking in the NBA.


He demand out because Van Gundy treatment have nothing regard to mental tougness. You believe Popovich want player that not have strong mental thinking? I guess you also calls Popovich liar when he tell press he asked for Spanoulis to stay. So now you say then he ask for "mentally weak" player? Guess you think he bad coach then?

Also guess you not notice Van Gundy be fired?

[wildbill2u]

This is his NBA preseason video on the youtube you tell me he not have speed and shoot ability for NBA or quick enough? He make the other players look SLOW.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cEpqq6I3WB4

If he not have NBA talents then this video must be fake magic
This is a much better highlight video you put together. Not so many misses on shots. Good D and excellent passing. But that's what highlight vids are for.

Now, can you address the salary requirement issue I brought up previously? I don't think the Spurs will be willing to pay him the 4.5 million you say he wants--and you believe he is worth. A backup PG without strong NBA experience is simply not going to get that kind of salary from the Spurs.

If he wants back in the NBA, then he'll be in touch. Then the Spurs will have to make an evaluation and let him know if they want him at that price. Sometimes a player's ideas of his worth and a team's evaluation of him on their team and system are deal breakers.

[ss1986v2]

again, it doesnt matter. if he is going to require near MLE type money, he isnt coming over. not when he has yet to prove anything in the nba. euroleague accomplishments dont equal nba success. until he shows that ability playing in the nba, he wont get paid as such. by anyone, not just the spurs.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

First off, Spanoulis didn't have the balls to stay in the NBA, so he had to go back to Europe.

Secondly, Washington will flat out school Vag.


I gives you video of the youtube where Billy schools Arenas and Wizard now you think Washington who not even that good player with PAOK in Greece comparable? In Greece Washington not even wanted by top teams.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=2JxYa3QqBYo


Again plenty of such clips from games he play in yet fan here act like he not show anything like some college player who never play NBA. He get bench because coach have problem with him because coach crazy. this already been said true by Rocket GM and owner. He NOT bench because of play. Now as can see Spur fan he have shown he can do things in NBA this NOT why he bench.


After such play Van Gundy tell press "I bench him because he still rookie even though he show what he capable of in this game back to bench because still rookie."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2JxYa3QqBYo

You see such performance you think Spurs bench him too right after this game???? You must not know Van Gundy dumbest coach in NBA.

[Darkwaters]

Secondly, Washington will flat out school Vag.

Ummm, not so sure about that at this point. Washington is still pretty raw and unrefined while Spanoulis has loads of experience on the international stage and a decent amount of poise. As a result, Spanoulis does not have nearly the upside left that Washington has. But clearly, Spanoulis is the better player between the two at this point. That guy has flat out taken elite international teams on his back and carried them. Washington has carried his D-League team through two games, but lets not sully the waters to compare Euroleague to D-League. As far as NBA experience, both are pretty unproven.

Personally, I'd take them both for the right contracts. But neither has proven that they belong yet, neither has proven that they are mentally tough, however, both has proven that they have ability. Spanoulis is simply older and more experienced at this point.

[batboy]

You believe Popovich want player that not have strong mental thinking? I guess you also calls Popovich liar when he tell press he asked for Spanoulis to stay.

Yes, I would call that a diplomatic lie.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

again, it doesnt matter. if he is going to require near MLE type money, he isnt coming over. not when he has yet to prove anything in the nba. euroleague accomplishments dont equal nba success. until he shows that ability playing in the nba, he wont get paid as such. by anyone, not just the spurs.


How many video I have to show? game after game nba regulars eason he show brilliance comparable to Nash. Do you not watch videos at all? Watch Rockets wizards one I just post just one of several. He prove plenty but coach bench him because he hate foreign player what Spur fan not get? Why you think they fire him? Owner said he fire him for not playi Spanoulis supposed to be team poijnt guard of future.

You can see many clip against Mavs, Wizards, 76ers, Warriors and such that show you he already PROVE it NBA regular season. I guess Spur fan think Udrih only player of all time have issue with coach but can actual play? You have chance get player many time better than Udrih.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

You don't have to show any more videos.

We all said we didn't want him.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

In Greece Washington not even wanted by top teams.
But in NBA he wanted by top team.

[ss1986v2]

How many video I have to show? game after game nba regulars eason he show brilliance comparable to Nash. Do you not watch videos at all? Watch Rockets wizards one I just post just one of several. He prove plenty but coach bench him because he hate foreign player what Spur fan not get? Why you think they fire him? Owner said he fire him for not playi Spanoulis supposed to be team poijnt guard of future.

You can see many clip against Mavs, Wizards, 76ers and such that show you he already PROVE it NBA regular season. I guess Spur fan think Udrih only player of all time have issue with coach but can actual play? You have chance get player many time better than Udrih.
no, he didnt. what i say in those clips was nice, but nash? get over yourself!

please leave now. we have all pretty much checked in now. we saw your stuff, we still dont give two squirrel farts about vagisil, so now you can leave.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

But in NBA he wanted by top team.

AFTER they cannot get Spanoulis for the year because of his family issue. So now you brags about this as proof he better?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

no, he didnt. what i say in those clips was nice, but nash? get over yourself!

please leave now. we have all pretty much checked in now. we saw your stuff, we still dont give two squirrel farts about vagisil, so now you can leave.


you are right Nash have never do this in championship games before

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVMW2Gngu2k

[ss1986v2]

you are right Nash have never do this in championship game before

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U2Ge16lKiM8
which nba teams were those again?

again, please go now. we are done here.

[Dre_7]

If Fan Here Say They Not Want Such PG I Will Leave

Forget about callin Pop a liar. I think you are the liar. :lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

no, he didnt. what i say in those clips was nice, but nash? get over yourself!

please leave now. we have all pretty much checked in now. we saw your stuff, we still dont give two squirrel farts about vagisil, so now you can leave.

and just like say Spur fan this not look like Manu in open court

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bvhR30ojBy4

guess good luck for Spur fan that GM and scout know game better than fan do


:rolleyes

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Forget about callin Pop a liar. I think you are the liar. :lol

Not all fan tell me opinion yet and some say they want him on team just because some fan act rude not mean they speaks truth for all yes?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

which nba teams were those again?

again, please go now. we are done here.

Player guarding him is NBA player that played with Nets.

[Kobayagi]

How many video I have to show?


Sixteen. Each in separate thread, please. :cooldevil

[Dre_7]

Not all fan tell me opinion yet and some say they want him on team just because some fan act rude not mean they speaks truth for all yes?

Ooohhh! So you meant ALL fans? Haha what a moron.