People don't kill murderers...

[Yonivore]

...people with guns do.

If only conceal carry had been allowed at Virginia Tech.

Security Guard: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14817480/detail.html)



Jeanne Assam Stopped Gunman At New Life Church
Thomas Hendrick, News Editor

POSTED: 4:46 pm MST December 10, 2007
UPDATED: 7:23 pm MST December 10, 2007

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Jeanne Assam appeared before the news media for the first time Monday and said she "did not think for a minute to run away" when a gunman entered the New Life Church in Colorado Springs and started shooting.

There was applause as Assam spoke to reporters and TV cameras saying, "God guided me and protected me."

New Life's Senior Pastor Brady Boyd called Assam "a real hero" because Murray "had enough ammunition on him to cause a lot of damage."

When asked by a reporter if she felt like a hero, Assam said, "I was given the assignment to end this before it got too much worse."

"I give credit to God," she said.

Assam described how the gunman, Matthew Murray, entered the east entrance of the church firing his rifle.

"There was chaos," Assam said, as parishioners ran away.

"I saw him coming through the doors" and took cover, Assam said. "I came out of cover and identified myself and engaged him and took him down."

"God was with me," Assam said. "I didn't think for a minute to run away."

Assam said she believes God gave her the strength to confront Murray, keeping her calm and focused even though he appeared to be twice her size and was more heavily armed.

Murray was carrying two handguns, an assault rifle and over 1,000 rounds of ammunition, said Sgt. Jeff Johnson of the Colorado Springs Police Department.

"It seemed like it was me, the gunman and God," she said.

Assam worked as a police officer in downtown Minneapolis during the 1990s and is licensed to carry a weapon. She attends one of the morning services and then volunteers as a guard during another service.

Boyd said Assam was the one who suggested the church beef up its security Sunday following the Arvada shooting, which it did. The pastor credited the security plan and the extra security for preventing further bloodshed.

Boyd said there are 15 to 20 security people at the church. All are volunteers but the only ones armed are those who are licensed to carry weapons.

The security guards are members of the church who are screened and not "mercenaries that we hire to walk around our campus to provide security," Boyd said.

About 7,000 people were on the church campus at the time of the shooting, said Boyd.

Two of the parishioners killed in the shooting were identified Monday as sisters Stephanie Works, 18, and Rachael Works, 16. Their father, David Works, 51, suffered two gunshot wounds -- one to the abdomen and one to the groin -- and was listed in fair condition on Monday. They were shot in the parking lot as they were getting into their van.

"Our concern is for our family that lost two teenage daughters. Our hearts are grieving," said Boyd. "You can imagine, as parents, losing two children while coming to church, just showing up for a worship service, not bothering anyone."

Boyd said Assam's actions saved the lives of 50 to 100 people.

Assam said she was ending three days of fasting on Sunday when fate put her in the path of the gunman.

"I was praying to God that he direct me" in what to do in life, Assam said. "Through the week, God made me strong."

[Wild Cobra]

I heard some of this on the radio today. It was real obvious that if good citizens are no allowed to carry concealed, this would have been a pretty big massacre.

Guns in the hands of good citizens save lives.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Yeah, if only security was allowed to carry guns at VA Tech like they do in Colorado.

[AZLouis]

Virginia, Nebraska and Colorado allow citizens to carry concealed weapons.

[JoeChalupa]

From what I've heard it was God that pulled the trigger.

[DarkReign]

From what I've heard it was God that pulled the trigger.

I applaud the young lady for her actions, but could she possibly credit God any more than she did?

I hate that. When people thank God for things they did/accomplished.

[Ignignokt]

I applaud the young lady for her actions, but could she possibly credit God any more than she did?

I hate that. When people thank God for things they did/accomplished.


It's just a sign of humility GoldenRain.

[BonnerDynasty]

I heard Tebow pulled the trigger tbh.

[DarkReign]

It's just a sign of humility GoldenRain.

No, its not humility at all. Its grand-standing. An acting job. A farce.

A farce the general public seems to eat up, I guess.

God had ZERO to do with what that woman did. Mentioning God in every sentence for the event's description doesnt change that fact.

[JoeChalupa]

I just Thank God it wasn't worse.

[xrayzebra]

Well all you folks can rest easy. The authorities are now saying
the gunman killed himself. Okay. Make you feel better.

[Nbadan]

Police: Church Gunman Killed Himself
By JUDITH KOHLER – 14 minutes ago


COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — The man who killed four people at a church and missionary training center died of a self-inflicted shotgun wound, police said Tuesday.

Matthew Murray, 24, was struck multiple times by a security officer at New Life Church Sunday but died after firing a single shot at himself, the El Paso County Coroner's Office concluded after an autopsy.

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — Authorities believe the man who killed four people at a church and missionary training center posted an anti-Christian diatribe online that closely repeated a rant by one of the Columbine killers, a newspaper reported Tuesday.

Matthew Murray, who was kicked out of a missionary training center where the first shooting occurred, is believed to have posted the message on a Web site for people who have left evangelical religious groups. His most recent post was Sunday morning in the hours between his attacks in Arvada and Colorado Springs, according to KUSA-TV in Denver, which first reported on the writings.

"You Christians brought this on yourselves," Murray wrote, according to the station, which did not identify the site. "All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you ... as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."

Link (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hU4ax39rFCnqHnipVp5TCGP6TKqgD8TFEB7G0)

[JoeChalupa]

Doesn't change the fact that God gave Jeanne some major cajones.

[scott]

More people should take guns to church.

[Clandestino]

it is pretty bad ass. i applaud her. i bet these pussy liberals want to have her serve time for trying to be judge, jury and executioner.

[Yonivore]

He killed himself because she had incapacitated him and he was no longer able to shoot anyone else...

She's still the hero here.

[JoeChalupa]

it is pretty bad ass. i applaud her. i bet these pussy liberals want to have her serve time for trying to be judge, jury and executioner.

Wrong, at least for me and I'm no pussy liberal.

[AZLouis]

FBI may have been warned about rampage By GEORGE MERRITT and ERIC GORSKI, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 32 minutes ago

DENVER - Federal authorities were alerted to anti-Christian postings apparently written by Matthew Murray only hours after he opened fire on a missionary center and just before his deadly rampage at a Colorado megachurch, the Web site's administrator said.

Joe Istre, president of the Association of Former Pentecostals, which operates the site, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he and other forum participants had grown familiar with the frequent and disturbingly dark poetry and obsessions of one participant, whose nickname was nghtmrchld26.

But when that same author — believed to be Murray — left at least 11 posts on the day of the twin shootings warning that he wanted to kill Christians, a forum participant immediately contacted the FBI, Istre said.

"I'm coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the @#%$ teeth and I WILL shoot to kill," one threat posted by nghtmrchld26 said.

Istre said he received a message from a board member who claimed to have contacted the FBI about a half-hour before the bloodshed at New Life Church in Colorado Springs.

"My reaction was disbelief, but then almost horror," Istre said of Murray's violence. "This guy was posting on our forums, and we are a support group out to help people, to try to get them to calm their fears and get them into a productive life. And here we are conversing with a dude who was a killer."

Denver FBI spokeswoman Rene Vonder Haar said the agency began an investigation immediately after receiving a phone call at 10:30 a.m. Sunday, but she refused to discuss the nature of the call.

Vonder Haar said the information was passed on to police in Arvada, where two members of Youth With A Mission had been killed earlier Sunday, and Colorado Springs.

But Colorado Springs police Sgt. Scott Schwall said police there didn't learn the Murray family home's address in Englewood until after the church shootings.

On Wednesday, two services were planned to remember the four victims killed Sunday. Members of Youth With A Mission and members of New Life Church were to gather to worship, pray and mourn.

Arvada police spokeswoman Susan Medina said police cannot say with certainty who nghtmrchld26 is. Istre also said his forum agreed to turn over all relevant information, and provided the FBI the Internet Protocol address of nghtmrchld26 to help confirm the poster's identity.

The Denver Post reported Wednesday that Murray also was apparently posting to a different forum under the name DyingChild_65, and may have foretold of his rampage there, too. In one posting, he references the one of the Columbine killers and the gunman who opened fire at Virginia Tech, among others.

"Like Cho, Eric Harris, Ricky Rodriguez and others, I'm going out to make a stand for the weak and the defenseless this is for all those young people still caught in the Nightmare of Christianity for all those people who've been abused and mistreated and taken advantage of by this evil sick religion Christian America this is YOUR Columbine," the newspaper quoted the post as saying.

Ultimately, Istre said he believes the ex-Pentecostal forum helped the man, and he doesn't know what more the group could have done to prevent the bloodshed.

"My gut instinct is that he was coming on our forums and posting all this stuff to provoke a negative reaction to where he'd be rejected again, so he can have another trophy, to say, 'I've been rejected by another organization, so here is my chance to strike back at the world.' I think in our organization he discovered an acceptance he probably never ran into."

Murray, 19, was dismissed from Youth With a Mission in 2002 for what the training center has described only as health reasons. Youth With a Mission maintains an office at New Life Church's World Prayer Center.

An autopsy Tuesday determined that Murray killed himself with a bullet to the head after he was brought down by gunfire from a volunteer security guard at the church, authorities said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_re_us/church_shootings

[Oh, Gee!!]

the kid fits the profile

[George Gervin's Afro]

...people with guns do.

If only conceal carry had been allowed at Virginia Tech.

Security Guard: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me' (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14817480/detail.html)


if only we would only allow for all air line passengers to wear parachutes... no more crash deaths.....SIGH... :rolleyes

[George Gervin's Afro]

it is pretty bad ass. i applaud her. i bet these pussy liberals want to have her serve time for trying to be judge, jury and executioner.


I would like to take 2 of those pills your taking..seems like some good shit.. :rolleyes

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316502,00.html

Six Las Vegas Teens Shot at Bus Stop After Schoolyard Fight Over Girl
Tuesday, December 11, 2007

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LAS VEGAS — Assailants shot six young people at a school bus stop, wounding two critically, in a midday attack that followed a fight over a high school girl, authorities said.

School police arrested three teenagers in the fight that happened hours before the shooting on Tuesday, Sheriff Doug Gillespie said. Investigators were still seeking two gunmen, who were believed to have fled on foot from the scene of the shooting, a working class neighborhood of northeast Las Vegas.

An 18-year-old man was in critical condition and a 17-year-old boy was upgraded to serious condition, both with gunshots to the torso, said Cheryl Persinger, a University Medical Center spokeswoman.

Four people, including at least two boys and a girl who are under 18, were treated for gunshot injuries to their arms and legs and released, she said. All four are students at Mojave High School, Gillespie said.

Authorities would not release any other information about the two victims who were still hospitalized late Tuesday. All six had just stepped off the bus, which was coming from the high school, authorities said.

Investigators initially looked into the possibility of gang involvement, but Gillespie said it appeared the shootings were the second stage of a confrontation over a girl.

Gillespie called the bus stop shooting "a carryover from what took place. This is not a random act."

Those arrested after the school fight are about 16, Clark County School District police Lt. Ken Young said. Mojave had some 2,300 students last year, about evenly divided among blacks, whites and Hispanics, according to district materials.

The shooting occurred just before 2 p.m., a couple of blocks from two elementary schools. Both were locked down temporarily but reopened in about an hour, district spokesman Michael Rodriguez said.

Investigators said they found 9 mm and .45-caliber shell casings at the scene.

Archie Gorai, 22, who lives about a block from the site of the shooting, said he heard about eight gunshots while he was wrapping Christmas presents at his home.

"I told my wife it was gunshots. She thought it was firecrackers," Gorai said.


If only the other kids would have been armed no one would have gotten hurt. I just wish that 10.00 an hr bus driver would have been packing so he could have had a shootout with the shooter... more guns would have made this situation much better..

[Ignignokt]

If only George Gervins though process wasn't google linked to moveon.org, he'd understand real life applications.

[MannyIsGod]

I guess I need to work on my aim. I took control of that damn woman and thought I scored a head shot.

[01Snake]

If only the other kids would have been armed no one would have gotten hurt. I just wish that 10.00 an hr bus driver would have been packing so he could have had a shootout with the shooter... more guns would have made this situation much better..


You've got NO CLUE how it would have turned out.

[Oh, Gee!!]

exactly

[JoeChalupa]

A No Gun Left Behind Program would have helped.

[George Gervin's Afro]

If only George Gervins though process wasn't google linked to moveon.org, he'd understand real life applications.


I thought all you talk radio freaks feels that in public shootings more guns is the answer.... just applying YOUR philosophy to a current event..

[xrayzebra]

Shotguns work better. And it is hard to hide one. Especially
with double ought.