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I heard some of this on the radio today. It was real obvious that if good citizens are no allowed to carry concealed, this would have been a pretty big massacre.
Guns in the hands of good citizens save lives.
...people with guns do.
If only conceal carry had been allowed at Virginia Tech.
Security Guard: 'God Guided Me And Protected Me'
I heard some of this on the radio today. It was real obvious that if good citizens are no allowed to carry concealed, this would have been a pretty big massacre.
Guns in the hands of good citizens save lives.
Yeah, if only security was allowed to carry guns at VA Tech like they do in Colorado.
Virginia, Nebraska and Colorado allow citizens to carry concealed weapons.
Last edited by AZLouis; 12-11-2007 at 02:16 PM.
From what I've heard it was God that pulled the trigger.
I applaud the young lady for her actions, but could she possibly credit God any more than she did?
I hate that. When people thank God for things they did/accomplished.
It's just a sign of humility GoldenRain.
I heard Tebow pulled the trigger tbh.
No, its not humility at all. Its grand-standing. An acting job. A farce.
A farce the general public seems to eat up, I guess.
God had ZERO to do with what that woman did. Mentioning God in every sentence for the event's description doesnt change that fact.
I just Thank God it wasn't worse.
Well all you folks can rest easy. The authorities are now saying
the gunman killed himself. Okay. Make you feel better.
Police: Church Gunman Killed Himself
By JUDITH KOHLER – 14 minutes ago
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) —LinkThe man who killed four people at a church and missionary training center died of a self-inflicted shotgun wound, police said Tuesday.
Matthew Murray, 24, was struck multiple times by a security officer at New Life Church Sunday but died after firing a single shot at himself, the El Paso County Coroner's Office concluded after an autopsy.
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — Authorities believe the man who killed four people at a church and missionary training center posted an anti-Christian diatribe online that closely repeated a rant by one of the Columbine killers, a newspaper reported Tuesday.
Matthew Murray, who was kicked out of a missionary training center where the first shooting occurred, is believed to have posted the message on a Web site for people who have left evangelical religious groups. His most recent post was Sunday morning in the hours between his attacks in Arvada and Colorado Springs, according to KUSA-TV in Denver, which first reported on the writings.
"You Christians brought this on yourselves," Murray wrote, according to the station, which did not identify the site. "All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you ... as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world."
Doesn't change the fact that God gave Jeanne some major cajones.
More people should take guns to church.
it is pretty bad ass. i applaud her. i bet these pussy liberals want to have her serve time for trying to be judge, jury and executioner.
He killed himself because she had incapacitated him and he was no longer able to shoot anyone else...
She's still the hero here.
Wrong, at least for me and I'm no pussy liberal.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/...urch_shootingsFBI may have been warned about rampage By GEORGE MERRITT and ERIC GORSKI, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 32 minutes ago
DENVER - Federal authorities were alerted to anti-Christian postings apparently written by Matthew Murray only hours after he opened fire on a missionary center and just before his deadly rampage at a Colorado megachurch, the Web site's administrator said.
Joe Istre, president of the Association of Former Pentecostals, which operates the site, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he and other forum participants had grown familiar with the frequent and disturbingly dark poetry and obsessions of one participant, whose nickname was nghtmrchld26.
But when that same author — believed to be Murray — left at least 11 posts on the day of the twin shootings warning that he wanted to kill Christians, a forum participant immediately contacted the FBI, Istre said.
"I'm coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the @#%$ teeth and I WILL shoot to kill," one threat posted by nghtmrchld26 said.
Istre said he received a message from a board member who claimed to have contacted the FBI about a half-hour before the bloodshed at New Life Church in Colorado Springs.
"My reaction was disbelief, but then almost horror," Istre said of Murray's violence. "This guy was posting on our forums, and we are a support group out to help people, to try to get them to calm their fears and get them into a productive life. And here we are conversing with a dude who was a killer."
Denver FBI spokeswoman Rene Vonder Haar said the agency began an investigation immediately after receiving a phone call at 10:30 a.m. Sunday, but she refused to discuss the nature of the call.
Vonder Haar said the information was passed on to police in Arvada, where two members of Youth With A Mission had been killed earlier Sunday, and Colorado Springs.
But Colorado Springs police Sgt. Scott Schwall said police there didn't learn the Murray family home's address in Englewood until after the church shootings.
On Wednesday, two services were planned to remember the four victims killed Sunday. Members of Youth With A Mission and members of New Life Church were to gather to worship, pray and mourn.
Arvada police spokeswoman Susan Medina said police cannot say with certainty who nghtmrchld26 is. Istre also said his forum agreed to turn over all relevant information, and provided the FBI the Internet Protocol address of nghtmrchld26 to help confirm the poster's iden y.
The Denver Post reported Wednesday that Murray also was apparently posting to a different forum under the name DyingChild_65, and may have foretold of his rampage there, too. In one posting, he references the one of the Columbine killers and the gunman who opened fire at Virginia Tech, among others.
"Like Cho, Eric Harris, Ricky Rodriguez and others, I'm going out to make a stand for the weak and the defenseless this is for all those young people still caught in the Nightmare of Christianity for all those people who've been abused and mistreated and taken advantage of by this evil sick religion Christian America this is YOUR Columbine," the newspaper quoted the post as saying.
Ultimately, Istre said he believes the ex-Pentecostal forum helped the man, and he doesn't know what more the group could have done to prevent the bloodshed.
"My gut instinct is that he was coming on our forums and posting all this stuff to provoke a negative reaction to where he'd be rejected again, so he can have another trophy, to say, 'I've been rejected by another organization, so here is my chance to strike back at the world.' I think in our organization he discovered an acceptance he probably never ran into."
Murray, 19, was dismissed from Youth With a Mission in 2002 for what the training center has described only as health reasons. Youth With a Mission maintains an office at New Life Church's World Prayer Center.
An autopsy Tuesday determined that Murray killed himself with a bullet to the head after he was brought down by gunfire from a volunteer security guard at the church, authorities said.
the kid fits the profile
if only we would only allow for all air line passengers to wear parachutes... no more crash deaths.....SIGH...
I would like to take 2 of those pills your taking..seems like some good ..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316502,00.html
Six Las Vegas Teens Shot at Bus Stop After Schoolyard Fight Over Girl
Tuesday, December 11, 2007
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LAS VEGAS — Assailants shot six young people at a school bus stop, wounding two critically, in a midday attack that followed a fight over a high school girl, authorities said.
School police arrested three teenagers in the fight that happened hours before the shooting on Tuesday, Sheriff Doug Gillespie said. Investigators were still seeking two gunmen, who were believed to have fled on foot from the scene of the shooting, a working class neighborhood of northeast Las Vegas.
An 18-year-old man was in critical condition and a 17-year-old boy was upgraded to serious condition, both with gunshots to the torso, said Cheryl Persinger, a University Medical Center spokeswoman.
Four people, including at least two boys and a girl who are under 18, were treated for gunshot injuries to their arms and legs and released, she said. All four are students at Mojave High School, Gillespie said.
Authorities would not release any other information about the two victims who were still hospitalized late Tuesday. All six had just stepped off the bus, which was coming from the high school, authorities said.
Investigators initially looked into the possibility of gang involvement, but Gillespie said it appeared the shootings were the second stage of a confrontation over a girl.
Gillespie called the bus stop shooting "a carryover from what took place. This is not a random act."
Those arrested after the school fight are about 16, Clark County School District police Lt. Ken Young said. Mojave had some 2,300 students last year, about evenly divided among blacks, whites and Hispanics, according to district materials.
The shooting occurred just before 2 p.m., a couple of blocks from two elementary schools. Both were locked down temporarily but reopened in about an hour, district spokesman Michael Rodriguez said.
Investigators said they found 9 mm and .45-caliber s casings at the scene.
Archie Gorai, 22, who lives about a block from the site of the shooting, said he heard about eight gunshots while he was wrapping Christmas presents at his home.
"I told my wife it was gunshots. She thought it was firecrackers," Gorai said.
If only the other kids would have been armed no one would have gotten hurt. I just wish that 10.00 an hr bus driver would have been packing so he could have had a shootout with the shooter... more guns would have made this situation much better..
If only George Gervins though process wasn't google linked to moveon.org, he'd understand real life applications.
I guess I need to work on my aim. I took control of that damn woman and thought I scored a head shot.
You've got NO CLUE how it would have turned out.
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