Roy Williams suspended one game for Horse Collar on McNabb...

[K-State Spur]

probably tough for him to hold up because he's been tackling like that his whole life and it's only been illegal the past couple years.

but he's a repeat offender, the rule is unofficially named after him, and it gets people hurt.

he's gonna have to change his game.

[2centsworth]

he deserve it. Plus, his skills aren't there anymore. The dude can't even cover TEs.

[DaHorns]

Long time coming, isn't that his forth fine for it this season?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

That's fine. It's not like we're gonna miss him.

[IceColdBrewski]

Man. The guy just doesn't learn.

[K-State Spur]

he deserve it. Plus, his skills aren't there anymore. The dude can't even cover TEs.

he is what he's always been. just that media that's been slobbering over his hits since his sooner days has finally started to realize that his cover skills are well below average (although that monday night game against Washington should have cemented it).

[K-State Spur]

he does lay people out.

but average to "ABOVE AVERAGE"(!!!) cover skills?

i think all but the biggest cowboy homers would disagree with that...

[BeerIsGood!]

He's been a bit better in coverage over the last few weeks, but some of that is Wade pulling him on some of the two deep coverages in favor of an extra DB. The suspension is what it is - a very strong reminder for him to quit doing that move. I don't like that they made it illegal in the first place, sure people sometimes get injured by that but so do people who get chopped or tackled from behind. It's fucking football, pussies.

[samikeyp]

Dumbass. Good players adapt to the rules.

[spursRgay]

Roy, JUST TAKE HIS LEGS OUT!!! It's much easier than chasing him down and ripping on his collar. I do agree with Beer though, it is football. If Roy doesn't tear TO's knee, this wouldn't be a rule.

[K-State Spur]

it is football, but you can't tackle by a facemask either.

it's not a difficult rule and 99% of the rest of the safeties in football don't have a problem with it.

[Obstructed_View]

What a stupid ass. The dirtiest player in the NFL strikes again. I'm embarrassed to have him on the team. He pulled someone down in the same game and tried to jump on the back of their legs. He used to make big plays, which at least made him useful, but now he just looks like he's lost and trying to take somebody out. I hope the Cowboys play well without him and decide that he can be allowed to go away. Even if it hurts the defense to have him gone, I hope this is the beginning of the end of Roy in Dallas. I wouldn't have felt good about beating the Eagles if he'd had to injure Donavan McNabb in order for it to happen.

That said, Ken Hamlin's hit was not dirty, as he dislodged the receiver from the ball with his shoulder, which is his job. They may yet ding him for the helmet contact, but my guess is that they'll deem it incidental.

[stretch]

The dirtiest player in the NFL strikes again.
No, that title goes to Rodney Harrison.

[BacktoBasics]

Can we get Flozell Adams suspended for repeat holding too?

[stretch]

or his 12,400 false starts a season?

[monosylab1k]

No, that title goes to Rodney Harrison.
Rodney Harrison doesn't constantly use a tackle that breaks people's legs.

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Rodney Harrison doesn't constantly use a tackle that breaks people's legs.
No, he just goes after people's heads, knees, and late hits.

[monosylab1k]

No, he just goes after people's heads, knees, and late hits.
How many legs has he broken by purposely using a dirty tackling technique?

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How many legs has he broken by purposely using a dirty tackling technique?
I don't think Roy has purposely broken any legs.

Harrison has purposely went for the head a number of times.

I'd be a hell of a lot more worried about a head injury than a leg injury.

[monosylab1k]

I don't think Roy has purposely broken any legs.
He purposely uses a dirty technique that breaks legs.

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He purposely uses a dirty technique that breaks legs.
I agree. But going for the head is a far dirtier technique, especially knowing how much more serious head injuries can be.

[K-State Spur]

How many legs has he broken by purposely using a dirty tackling technique?

He destroyed Trent Green's knee by diving into it unnecessarily.

[samikeyp]

He destroyed Trent Green's knee by diving into it unnecessarily.

In a pre-season game.

[monosylab1k]

well let's find some solid proof that he purposely went for Green's knee. Harrison goes balls out all the time, even in preseason. you can't fault a guy for that.

there's pretty solid proof that horse collar tackles can break legs, and Roy continues to do it. and he does it cuz he's too big of a puss to tackle like a man.

[Obstructed_View]

No, that title goes to Rodney Harrison.
Actually I considered calling Roy the second dirtiest. Harrison is definitely 1A. They're both cheap shotting little punks. I don't want either of them on my fuckin' team, even if it means losing.

[stretch]

well let's find some solid proof that he purposely went for Green's knee. Harrison goes balls out all the time, even in preseason. you can't fault a guy for that.

there's pretty solid proof that horse collar tackles can break legs, and Roy continues to do it. and he does it cuz he's too big of a puss to tackle like a man.
Harrison is too much of a dirty jerk to simply wrap up instead of going for QB's knees, especially in pre-season. Not to mention he has to use roids or whatever to assist his tacking abilities.

[stretch]

he is also the most fined player in NFL history for illegal hits. there is your "statistical" proof that he is the dirtiest player in the league.

[TheZackAttack!]

Roy has tackled like that for years, so I understand if it happens every now and then in the heat of the game. That being said he is still a dumbass for not learning and deserves a suspension. His fat ass can stand to lose some weight also. Maybe that will help him in coverage... BUT there is no argument that he is a dirty player. Even Parcells got his back on that subject. He said Roy doesn't have a malicious bone in his body. Parcells usually stays away from being biased, but he obviously felt stong enough about Roy being labled dirty that he actually came to his defense on T.V. last night. Mono, you need to get your boy Roy's back also.

Harrison on the other hand is a dirty mother fucker who roids. We all know his history. Its not even close. No comparison.

[leemajors]

i understand why the horse collar is illegal, but are you just not supposed to tackle someone if that's the only way? i had no idea you couldn't grab the jersey like that this year.

[TheZackAttack!]

you can grab the jersey like that, but not the shoulder pads. Makes sense right?

[stretch]

you can grab the jersey like that, but not the shoulder pads. Makes sense right?
I believe pulling them down by the inside of their collar is what is illegal. Hence the name, "horse collar tackle."

[leemajors]

you can grab the jersey like that, but not the shoulder pads. Makes sense right?
i was pretty sure roy grabbed all jersey - he didn't have his hand inside the back of the shoulder pad, and aikman or buck stated that the rule was changed this year to include the jersey.

[K-State Spur]

well let's find some solid proof that he purposely went for Green's knee. Harrison goes balls out all the time, even in preseason. you can't fault a guy for that.

there's pretty solid proof that horse collar tackles can break legs, and Roy continues to do it. and he does it cuz he's too big of a puss to tackle like a man.

He could have tackled Green up higher, he chose to dive for the knee.

The 'solid proof' that horse collar tackles break legs is that it has happened. There is equal 'solid proof' that diving into the back of a knee tears ACLs (at a much higher rate).

I'm not saying that Roy isn't borderline dirty - but it's certainly coming off as hypocritical of you to attack Roy and then defend Harrison.

[monosylab1k]

He could have tackled Green up higher, he chose to dive for the knee.

The 'solid proof' that horse collar tackles break legs is that it has happened. There is equal 'solid proof' that diving into the back of a knee tears ACLs (at a much higher rate).

I'm not saying that Roy isn't borderline dirty - but it's certainly coming off as hypocritical of you to attack Roy and then defend Harrison.
I'm not defending Harrison, I'm saying that when a player goes balls-out like he does, sometimes things like that happen. Every time someone blows an ACL it's the result of a dirty play?

shit happens, people get hurt all the time. alot of people go low with their tackles. it happens all the time. and even if harrison hit green low, there's no way you could look at his tackle and say that he had every intention of blowing out his knee. i'm not saying harrison isn't dirty but citing one example of an unfortunate injury that happened from a low tackle doesn't make him dirtier than Roy Williams.

Roy Williams willingly uses a technique that has been proven to break people's legs.

[samikeyp]

Roy Williams willingly uses a technique that has been proven to break people's legs.

one person's leg. T.O.

Unless I missed someone.

[monosylab1k]

tyrone calico

[monosylab1k]

musa smith

[monosylab1k]

he hurt jamal lewis with it too.

[K-State Spur]

I'm not defending Harrison, I'm saying that when a player goes balls-out like he does, sometimes things like that happen. Every time someone blows an ACL it's the result of a dirty play?

shit happens, people get hurt all the time. alot of people go low with their tackles. it happens all the time. and even if harrison hit green low, there's no way you could look at his tackle and say that he had every intention of blowing out his knee. i'm not saying harrison isn't dirty but citing one example of an unfortunate injury that happened from a low tackle doesn't make him dirtier than Roy Williams.

Roy Williams willingly uses a technique that has been proven to break people's legs.


no. every time somebody blows out an ACL because the tackler dove unnecessarily at the back of their knee it is the result of a dirty play.

i posted the example because you asked, "How many legs has he broken by purposely using a dirty tackling technique?"

[monosylab1k]

no. every time somebody blows out an ACL because the tackler dove unnecessarily at the back of their knee it is the result of a dirty play.

i posted the example because you asked, "How many legs has he broken by purposely using a dirty tackling technique?"
did harrison break a league rule?

[TheZackAttack!]

did harrison break a league rule?

besides the roids?

[samikeyp]

He didn't break Lewis's leg.

[monosylab1k]

He didn't break Lewis's leg and he never touched Tyrone Calico.

Liar.
i said he hurt Lewis, not that he broke his leg. and he put Calico out for the entire year.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/121807dnspocowlede.11e4bec.html


Roy Williams and the Horse-collar: Why the rule was made
In a preseason game on Aug. 30, 2004, Tennessee wide receiver Tyrone Calico was running toward the sidelines after a five-yard run when he suffered torn cartilage to his left knee and a sprained anterior cruciate in his right knee when Williams brought him down with the then legal tackle.

On Nov. 21, 2004, Williams took out Baltimore running backs Jamal Lewis and Musa Smith with the horse-collar tackles. Lewis suffered a sprained ankle and Smith a compound fracture of the right tibia. It ended Smith's season.

Terrell Owens, then with Philadelphia, was tackled from behind by Williams in the third quarter of a game on Dec. 19, 2004, and suffered a fractured right fibula. Owens would miss the final two weeks of the regular season only to return for Super Bowl XXXIX.

At the NFL spring meetings on May 24, 2005, league owners voted, 27-5 to outlaw the horse-collar. It was labeled the "Roy Williams Rule."
liar indeed.

[K-State Spur]

did harrison break a league rule?

Here's the thing (which is why I'm saying you're being hypocritical):

Harrison's hit was not illegal on Green at that time - but it is now.

When Williams' horse collar tackle broke a leg - it was not illegal at that time either - but it is now.

Diving unnecessarily into the back of a knee or horse-collaring a player to the ground from behind: it's splitting hairs as to which is worse. But neither is going to win the perpetrator the sportsman of the year award.

[samikeyp]

You did lie.

He never broke Calico's legs. You have been accusing him of leg breaking and when I asked who elses legs he broke, you cited Calico as one of those players.

[monosylab1k]

Here's the thing (which is why I'm saying you're being hypocritical):

Harrison's hit was not illegal on Green at that time - but it is now.

When Williams' horse collar tackle broke a leg - it was not illegal at that time either - but it is now.

Diving unnecessarily into the back of a knee or horse-collaring a player to the ground from behind: it's splitting hairs as to which is worse. But neither is going to win the perpetrator the sportsman of the year award.
i asked because i didn't know if Harrison was suspended or not for the hit. you seem to know more about that hit than i do.

and even if it was legal at the time, how many more times has harrison hit a QB like that since it was made illegal? cuz Roy still regularly horse collars.

[monosylab1k]

You did lie.

He never broke Calico's legs. You have been accusing him of leg breaking and when I asked who elses legs he broke, you cited Calico as one of those players.
my mistake, he only put him out for the entire season. that's way better.

[samikeyp]

my mistake, he only put him out for the entire season. that's way better.


No its not and nowhere did I say that.

Why lie and imply that people say things they didn't just to be right when you already have a solid arguement?

[monosylab1k]

No its not and nowhere did I say that.

Why lie and imply that people say things they didn't just to be right?
be a douche if you want to. he didn't break his legs, instead he tore his ACL and put him out for the year. but you're right, the horse collar didn't break Calico's legs so big victory for you. go celebrate. Roy only broke 2 people's legs.

nice post editing btw.

[samikeyp]

So, if I don't agree with you...i'm a douche and I automatically embrace a shady tactic.

I don't celebrate at all in fact I don't like the whole horse collar thing and have criticized Williams in this thread about it. The thing that pisses me off the most is that now he may have hurt his team by getting suspended.

[K-State Spur]

cuz Roy still regularly horse collars.

that's true. which is why i won't argue which one is dirtier, they both are.

it's not just fans of various teams on this board that disagree with you. The NFL players voted Harrison the dirtiest player in the league both in 2004 & 2006.

[TampaDude]

Roy Williams is a great guy off the field. He is a man of good character and is well respected in the community.

On the field, however, he is fast becoming one of the biggest dumbasses in the NFL. C'mon, Roy...when the league makes a rule BECAUSE OF SOMETHING YOU DO, maybe it's a good idea to NOT DO THAT SOMETHING ANYMORE...ya think??? Enjoy your one-week vacation... :lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

or his 12,400 false starts a season?
:lol

[Obstructed_View]

The Cowboys need to make him a linebacker or get rid of him. If he can't catch Donovan McNabb from behind then he probably shouldn't be out in space with receivers.

[cherylsteele]

it is football, but you can't tackle by a facemask either.

it's not a difficult rule and 99% of the rest of the safeties in football don't have a problem with it.
Yes, but grabbing the face mask there is a greater chance of serious injury, a player can grab the mask and snap the head around more easily. I had never heard of a player getting hurt by the collar tackle b4 the rule was made, player get hurt more often from freak perfectly legal tackles than any other thing. They should alter the rule just like the face mask rule of incidental face maks, make incidental horse collar. If a player is trying to grab a player to tackle him and unintentionally grabs the pads it should be a minor infraction.

[samikeyp]

The Cowboys need to make him a linebacker or get rid of him. If he can't catch Donovan McNabb from behind then he probably shouldn't be out in space with receivers.


Agreed.

[Obstructed_View]

They should alter the rule just like the face mask rule of incidental face maks, make incidental horse collar. If a player is trying to grab a player to tackle him and unintentionally grabs the pads it should be a minor infraction.
That's already the way the rule is. The officials only call the ones that are blatant. There's nothing incidental about the way Roy Williams grabs a guy's pads and then tries to drop on the back of his legs.

[J.T.]

lulz at mono defending Rodney Harrison.

[K-State Spur]

Yes, but grabbing the face mask there is a greater chance of serious injury, a player can grab the mask and snap the head around more easily. I had never heard of a player getting hurt by the collar tackle b4 the rule was made, player get hurt more often from freak perfectly legal tackles than any other thing. They should alter the rule just like the face mask rule of incidental face maks, make incidental horse collar. If a player is trying to grab a player to tackle him and unintentionally grabs the pads it should be a minor infraction.

they already have an 'incidental horse collar' - it's called 'no penalty.'

you actually have to reach in, grab the player inside of the pads/jersey, and drag them fully down in that manner to warrant the flag.

if this were a more common occurrence, i might be inclined to agree with people defending RW. But no other safety (or linebacker or DL) in the league has a problem with NOT doing it like he does.

[BeerIsGood!]

I like what Patrick Crayton said about it:

"The rule was put in place for Roy. You'd think if the rule was put in place for you, you might pay attention to it"

Pretty much sums it up nicely and exactly why Roy deserves to sit a game.

[samikeyp]

Crayton was spot on.

[Harry Callahan]

The previous injuries from Williams came from landing on the back of the legs of the runner while pulling them down, which he did not do to McNabb on Sunday. I you look closely at the play, he did not contact McNabb's legs. He moved away from the legs.

Williams history caught up with him. He was penalized for what happened in the past and not what he did on Sunday.

[FromWayDowntown]

Wasn't Mark Carrier suspended a few years ago for a helmet-to-helmet hit because of a history of helmet-to-helmet hits?

[dimsah]

The previous injuries from Williams came from landing on the back of the legs of the runner while pulling them down, which he did not do to McNabb on Sunday. I you look closely at the play, he did not contact McNabb's legs. He moved away from the legs.

Williams history caught up with him. He was penalized for what happened in the past and not what he did on Sunday.
BS. He didn't land on TO's legs in 04. TO's feet got caught in the turf while being pulled down from behind.

And the penalty is for pulling someone down from behind by their pads or jerseys which is exactly what he did. It has nothing to do with landing on their legs.

[K-State Spur]

Williams history caught up with him. He was penalized for what happened in the past and not what he did on Sunday.

Um...no. He was penalized for what he did on Sunday. It's against the rules now.

Whether you agree with that rule or not is another story. But no other safety in football has trouble with this, so that should tell you something.

[Obstructed_View]

The previous injuries from Williams came from landing on the back of the legs of the runner while pulling them down, which he did not do to McNabb on Sunday. I you look closely at the play, he did not contact McNabb's legs. He moved away from the legs.

Williams history caught up with him. He was penalized for what happened in the past and not what he did on Sunday.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.

[MajorMike]

mofo. lays. some. wood.

Dude is the EXACT polar opposite of Neon. Sanders was blanket coverage but couldn't tackle to save his hide. Williams can't cover my dead grandma with a tarp so he lays back waiting to make a hit so it looks cool, because he knows he would just get burned trying to cover, anyway.

At least the league saw thru his worthlessness this year and he didn't make the probowl.

[leemajors]

Um...no. He was penalized for what he did on Sunday. It's against the rules now.

Whether you agree with that rule or not is another story. But no other safety in football has trouble with this, so that should tell you something.
well, technically it was his third offense, which resulted in an automatic suspension.

[peewee's lovechild]

I've been blasting Roy all season because of his shitty play, but I gotta say that this horse collar business is bullshit. It's fucking football. You get hit. You get hurt. That's the nature of the game. It's fucking violent.

I don't get why it's illegal to bring somebody down by pulling on the back of the pads, and yet it's still legal to pull on somebody's hair to bring him down. According to NFL rules, and correct me if I'm wrong, long hair is considered part of the uniform and can be used to bring somebody down.

What's next? You can't tug on a players pants? You can't pull him down by tugging on his arms? Are we going to be playing with flags soon?

That's just pussy.

[K-State Spur]

I've been blasting Roy all season because of his shitty play, but I gotta say that this horse collar business is bullshit. It's fucking football. You get hit. You get hurt. That's the nature of the game. It's fucking violent.

I don't get why it's illegal to bring somebody down by pulling on the back of the pads, and yet it's still legal to pull on somebody's hair to bring him down. According to NFL rules, and correct me if I'm wrong, long hair is considered part of the uniform and can be used to bring somebody down.

What's next? You can't tug on a players pants? You can't pull him down by tugging on his arms? Are we going to be playing with flags soon?

That's just pussy.

Your argument would have more weight if this were a league wide problem. But again, this rule wasn't even necessary before Roy Williams. He's the only one that has a consistent problem with it.

[peewee's lovechild]

Your argument would have more weight if this were a league wide problem. But again, this rule wasn't even necessary before Roy Williams. He's the only one that has a consistent problem with it.

It still doesn't change the fact that it's gay as hell. Football is supposed to be the most violent sport in the world. Everyone knows this ahead of time. You expect to get hurt. If you never get hurt, you're one lucky son of a bitch.

I swear to god that pretty soon you won't be able to even do a shoelace tackle. Rugby players are probably laughing at all this.

[mardigan]

I've been blasting Roy all season because of his shitty play, but I gotta say that this horse collar business is bullshit. It's fucking football. You get hit. You get hurt. That's the nature of the game. It's fucking violent.

I don't get why it's illegal to bring somebody down by pulling on the back of the pads, and yet it's still legal to pull on somebody's hair to bring him down. According to NFL rules, and correct me if I'm wrong, long hair is considered part of the uniform and can be used to bring somebody down.

What's next? You can't tug on a players pants? You can't pull him down by tugging on his arms? Are we going to be playing with flags soon?

That's just pussy.
He broke three guys legs in one year with the move before it was outlawed, it is a dangerous tackle. And as stated before, if you have a rule put in place specifically because of you, you should probably know not to do it again.

[leemajors]

let's bring back the night train necktie while we're at it!

[peewee's lovechild]

He broke three guys legs in one year with the move before it was outlawed, it is a dangerous tackle. And as stated before, if you have a rule put in place specifically because of you, you should probably know not to do it again.

Gang tackles break limbs with frequency too, should we have that banned too?

We can end a play by squaring up and yelling "Boo!!!" and let the player fall on his own. That's quality entertainment.

[mardigan]

Gang tackles break limbs with frequency too, should we have that banned too?

We can end a play by squaring up and yelling "Boo!!!" and let the player fall on his own. That's quality entertainment.
Gang tackles arent something that can be outlawed, Roy's tackling method is, seeming as he is the only guy who does it.

[K-State Spur]

Football is supposed to be the most violent sport in the world. Everyone knows this ahead of time. You expect to get hurt. If you never get hurt, you're one lucky son of a bitch.

Actually, it's not. While some fans may be hoping for a slightly more organized form of MMA played with a ball, most would rather see their favorite athletes on the field as opposed to laid up on crutches.

Obviously, there's a certain amount of danger that is allowed on the field, but it's a risk/reward issue as to what is allowed.

The bottom line with the horse collar tackle is:

a) it's proven to cause injury
b) it's an easy tackle to avoid - only one player in the league continually struggles to do so

[peewee's lovechild]

Gang tackles arent something that can be outlawed, Roy's tackling method is, seeming as he is the only guy who does it.

But, they both can lead to broken limbs.

[peewee's lovechild]

Actually, it's not. While some fans may be hoping for a slightly more organized form of MMA played with a ball, most would rather see their favorite athletes on the field as opposed to laid up on crutches.

Obviously, there's a certain amount of danger that is allowed on the field, but it's a risk/reward issue as to what is allowed.

The bottom line with the horse collar tackle is:

a) it's proven to cause injury
b) it's an easy tackle to avoid - only one player in the league continually struggles to do so

So, your telling me that football isn't a violent sport and that players(athletes) don't know that going into it??

Yes, horse collar tackles can cause injury. But, so can pulling a guy down by his hair, jersey, arms. And, like it or not, gang tackles can lead to the same thing.

It's football. You should be allowed to bring a guy down in whatever fashion you want as long as your not punching or kicking a guy.

[K-State Spur]

So, your telling me that football isn't a violent sport and that players(athletes) don't know that going into it??

Yes, horse collar tackles can cause injury. But, so can pulling a guy down by his hair, jersey, arms. And, like it or not, gang tackles can lead to the same thing.

It's football. You should be allowed to bring a guy down in whatever fashion you want as long as your not punching or kicking a guy.

Football is a contact sport, if that makes it violent at times, so be it. But it's not necessarily violent by nature.

By your post, facemasks, clotheslines, tripping, spearing, etc, would all be perfectly okay.

You're right, a lot of things can lead to injury on the field. But there are some things that can be easily avoided and still allow a defender to do his job (tackle).

For [apparently] everybody other than Roy Williams, the horse collar would fall into that category.

It cannot be iterated enough, it's one guy that can't get with the program here. Obviously it's not hard to not tackle in that manner because nobody else has a problem with it.

[peewee's lovechild]

Football is a contact sport, if that makes it violent at times, so be it. But it's not necessarily violent by nature.

By your post, facemasks, clotheslines, tripping, spearing, etc, would all be perfectly okay.

You're right, a lot of things can lead to injury on the field. But there are some things that can be easily avoided and still allow a defender to do his job (tackle).

For [apparently] everybody other than Roy Williams, the horse collar would fall into that category.

It cannot be iterated enough, it's one guy that can't get with the program here. Obviously it's not hard to not tackle in that manner because nobody else has a problem with it.

So, all the football players (active and retired) who call it a violent sport are all wrong?

[K-State Spur]

They use it as an analogy.

They call individual games a 'war' all the time, but that doesn't mean that they are out there shooting each other.

[peewee's lovechild]

They use it as an analogy.

They call individual games a 'war' all the time, but that doesn't mean that they are out there shooting each other.

An analogy compares one thing to another.

The just flat out say that it's a violent game. I don't see how you don't see this.

[K-State Spur]

actually, i'll even concede that point (not that i completely agree with it, but it's not crux to my argument).

but it still doesn't change that it's a game with rules, including rules on certain types of tackles to protect the safety of the players. Football will always be a contact sport - but all things being equal - fans would rather see guys not get injured.

The horse collar tackle has proven to cause injury at a higher rate than a normal tackle. It's obviously not hard to avoid, because if there are X players in the NFL, X-1 players have little problem avoiding it.

[Obstructed_View]

Let's make it a matter of percentages, so those with little brains can follow along...

There are hundreds of gang tackles every season. There are probably a dozen or so injuries. Roy Williams tackled 20 guys by the pads and five of them were injured. This prompted the league to change the rules.

The rule is in place, like it or not. Bitch about the rule, but don't wait until your stupid ass safety gets himself suspended for not following it to do so.

[kskonn]

If Roy could just learn how to cover and take the correct angles he would never need to use that tackle. That should be the underlying issue that the cowboys try to fix.

[Obstructed_View]

He also looks bigger than he's ever been before, so he's probably slower.

[BeerIsGood!]

Hard to tell how good the Cowboys coverage was without Roy since the opposing QB was the guy who couldn't make the Cowboys roster out of training camp, but the run defense was good. Davis made some plays in pass coverage and played well. Roy being out didn't hurt at all, while TO being out probably cost the Cowboys at least another 10 or 11 points.

[kskonn]

Hard to tell how good the Cowboys coverage was without Roy since the opposing QB was the guy who couldn't make the Cowboys roster out of training camp, but the run defense was good. Davis made some plays in pass coverage and played well. Roy being out didn't hurt at all, while TO being out probably cost the Cowboys at least another 10 or 11 points.


Yea TO going down was huge, it really makes our offense a lot easier to defend. Roy going out was not a big thing at all, it might have made Jerry realize that we should try to trade him to a desperate team, like I don't the Dolphins?

[peewee's lovechild]

Yea TO going down was huge, it really makes our offense a lot easier to defend.

The NFL should make that type of hit illegal next year because of the risk of breaking a limb.