The Patriots are F'd

[BeerIsGood!]

ESPN is running some "how do the potential greatest team of all time '07 Patriots match up with the best teams of all time" bullshit.



I've seen this story before, and if history holds it doesn't end well for the Patriots.

[monosylab1k]

:lmao opposing fans are now reaching for the "ESPN loves them too much for them to really be this good" excuse.

[BeerIsGood!]

:lmao opposing fans are now reaching for the "ESPN loves them too much for them to really be this good" excuse.

I don't think you quite got the intended message here...

this was more of a shot at ESPN's stupidity and USC's bullshit four weeks of "greatest team of all time" talk in '05. You would think ESPN would learn a lesson, but apparently they really are that stupid.

[Cry Havoc]

I don't think you quite got the intended message here...

this was more of a shot at ESPN's stupidity and USC's bullshit four weeks of "greatest team of all time" talk in '05. You would think ESPN would learn a lesson, but apparently they really are that stupid.

They were saying that about THIS year's USC team too, before the season started.

[monosylab1k]

I don't think you quite got the intended message here...

this was more of a shot at ESPN's stupidity and USC's bullshit four weeks of "greatest team of all time" talk in '05. You would think ESPN would learn a lesson, but apparently they really are that stupid.
I got the message just fine. It also implies that the Patriots are destined to fail simply because ESPN is stupid enough to run "greatest team ever" talk before they've actually gotten it done. Which is desperate Cowboyfan hope, nothing more.

[BeerIsGood!]

I got the message just fine. It also implies that the Patriots are destined to fail simply because ESPN is stupid enough to run "greatest team ever" talk before they've actually gotten it done. Which is desperate Cowboyfan hope, nothing more.

Wow, you really are looking for any reason to be hostile. The funny thing is I wasn't even thinking about the Pats, it could have been anybody and I would have thought the same thing. It's like the Madden curse, just an inexplicable phenomenon that ESPN jocks something as greatest of all time and it turns to shit.

[BeerIsGood!]

For a bandwagoner this kid sure takes this stuff personally.

[J.T.]

I got the message just fine. It also implies that the Patriots are destined to fail simply because ESPN is stupid enough to run "greatest team ever" talk before they've actually gotten it done. Which is desperate Cowboyfan hope, nothing more.

Wasn't it you who said in Week 7 that having ESPN in your corner is the kiss of death? What a flopper.

[slayermin]

Bill Parcells gave the '78 Steelers the best chance to beat the '07 Patriots. He thought that was the Steelers best balanced championship team on offense and defense. But he did claim the Steelers played mostly zone defenses back then and Brady would tear their zone apart. Chris Berman suggested the Steelers would have to make adjustments to defend Brady.

I have seen the older version of this defense in 1979 and 1980, and they were still very good. But like I said in a previous post, the Steel Curtain was in it's prime between 1975 and 1976 when they still had Andy Russell. I think the '75 Steelers would be the Patriots most formidable matchup. Joe Greene and L.C. Greenwood were in their prime. They would absolutely cause havoc in the Patriot backfield. For a modern comparison, think Warren Sapp and Simeon Rice in for the Bucs in '02. Though Sapp was beyond his prime in '02.

Parcells thought Lynn Swann and John Stalworth combined with their power running game with Harris and Bleier would matchup well against the Patriots defense. Bradshaw had a canon so that would make the Patriot safeties play less in the box.

Parcells dismissed the '85 Bears because of their secondary.

He thought the '89 Niners would have to win in a shootout.

Unfortunately on the NFL Network, they have been replaying all of the Patriot games from this season. It's as if they have been crowned the greatest team of all time already. It's nauseating.

[sa_butta]

It's as if they have been crowned the greatest team of all time already. It's nauseating.
If and when they run through and win the Super Bowl then we can talk "greatest team ever"...

if you want to crown em, then crown thier ass

[samikeyp]

If and when they run through and win the Super Bowl then we can talk "greatest team ever"...

Exactly.

[DallasFan]

Montana and Rice (along with their other key players) would have shred that Patriot defense. I think the 49er defense was a bit underrated also.

[sa_butta]

Montana and Rice (along with their other key players) would have shred that Patriot defense. I think the 49er defense was a bit underrated also.Charles Haley, Ronnie Lott and Bill Romanowski on D could hardly be considered underrated, but maybe just not recognized highly amongst the greatest defenses because of the thier high power offense.

Montana, Rice, and Craig were a nighmare for defenses.

And if you want to talk offensive explosions look at the 99 Rams, their D wasnt too shabby either.

[slayermin]

Parcells did the '93 Cowboys this morning. He thought the Cowboy offense would be able to move the ball against the Patriot defense and score in the 20's.

But he thought the Patriots would score in the 30's against the Cowboy defense. The reason he gave was that the Cowboy linebackers couldn't cover in space.

[monosylab1k]

For a bandwagoner this kid sure takes this stuff personally.
For a desperate little cowboyfan faggot you sure run out of material quick.

[monosylab1k]

Wasn't it you who said in Week 7 that having ESPN in your corner is the kiss of death? What a flopper.
Yeah but that's only if they're legitimately in your corner. It's pretty obvious ESPN is doing everything possible to jinx the Patriots since just about everybody who works for them hates New England.

and if this thread came from you or TSA or anybody with a brain, it wouldn't have made much of a difference to me. It's cuz it came from some Tony Homo loving Cowboy fan queer who desperately wants to face anybody but the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

[BeerIsGood!]

Yeah but that's only if they're legitimately in your corner. It's pretty obvious ESPN is doing everything possible to jinx the Patriots since just about everybody who works for them hates New England.

and if this thread came from you or TSA or anybody with a brain, it wouldn't have made much of a difference to me. It's cuz it came from some Tony Homo loving Cowboy fan queer who desperately wants to face anybody but the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

Look who has Cowboy envy!

For some reason you bring the Cowboys up in every discussion, maybe because your bandwagonning ass is feeling a little guilty for leaving the Cowboys for the flavor of the month, and you're overcompensating. Do you still have the Cowboys #22 jersey in your closet, or did you throw it away?

[Extra Stout]

Yeah but that's only if they're legitimately in your corner. It's pretty obvious ESPN is doing everything possible to jinx the Patriots since just about everybody who works for them hates New England.

Yes, I'm sure that most employees of a business headquartered in New England absolutely despise New England sports teams.

[kskonn]

It's cuz it came from some Tony Homo loving Cowboy fan queer who desperately wants to face anybody but the Patriots in the Super Bowl.


As a Tony Homo Loving cowboys fan I would desperately like the cowboys to just get to the superbowl. We can deal with who we face if we get there.

[monosylab1k]

Yes, I'm sure that most employees of a business headquartered in New England absolutely despise New England sports teams.
Exactly, because every time Merrill Hoge, Mark Schlereth, Tom Jackson, Mike Ditka, & every other analyst on that station opens their mouth, I really think "wow, there is somebody biased towards the New England Patriots".

[samikeyp]

I thought Merrill Hoge just hated Vince Young.

:)

[J.T.]

Schlereth and Ditka did openly bash the Patriots at some point, and then their producers probably told them not to do it anymore and they flopped to some cookie-cutter responses in praise of the Pats. Never heard anything from Hoge or Jackson but honestly I only watch NFL Live and Sunday Countdown until they cover my team and then I flip the channel.

[Whisky Dog]

Yeah but that's only if they're legitimately in your corner. It's pretty obvious ESPN is doing everything possible to jinx the Patriots since just about everybody who works for them hates New England.

and if this thread came from you or TSA or anybody with a brain, it wouldn't have made much of a difference to me. It's cuz it came from some Tony Homo loving Cowboy fan queer who desperately wants to face anybody but the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

You're an odd person. I'm not the biggest Cowboys fan, but they're a good story with Romo, and TO finally stringing two straight seasons together without calling his QB gay or going off on him. You also gotta feel good for Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett. What I don't understand is why you are even concerning yourselves with the Cowboys or their fans when the team you supposedly root for is going for a 16-0 season tomorrow. That makes no sense to me.

[Whisky Dog]

As crazy as this sounds, I think the Patriots go 16-0 and lose before the Superbowl. I think they've taken advantage of 6 games against the weakest division in football and getting the Cowboys with starting secondary players out. A very impressive season, but not a team without flaws.

[monosylab1k]

Never heard anything from Hoge or Jackson but honestly I only watch NFL Live and Sunday Countdown until they cover my team and then I flip the channel.
Merrill Hoge hates on the Pats every chance he gets, he ever ranked the Colts & Steelers ahead of them after the Pats beat them.

And Tom Jackson has a vendetta against New England that goes back to 2003 when he made his infamous "they hate their head coach" comment despite never researching it at all, which of course rallied the entire team to win the Super Bowl. Then when Jackson tried to congratulate Belichick, he just said "Fuck you" and walked off.

[ratm1221]

Brady would get a career ending injury in the first quarter if you tried to put him with any of those old teams. Football was different then. What a bunch of weak comparisons ESPN is reaching for. Pats have had some really close games against some really scrub teams. Games they would have lost if not for the other team blowing it at the end. They are good, but they aren't elite. This team is just as easily 13-2, as they are 15-0.

[Extra Stout]

The '72 Dolphins had some really close games against some really scrub teams. Games they would have lost if not for the other team blowing it at the end. They were good, but they weren't elite. That team was just as easily 12-2, as they were 14-0.

[Extra Stout]

The '85 Bears had some really close games against some really scrub teams. Games they would have lost if not for the other team blowing it at the end. They were good, but they weren't elite. That team was just as easily 13-3, as they were 15-1.

[spursRgay]

I was actually happy when I saw the Sportscenter Kiss of Death...Down Go the Pats!! Down Go the Pats!!

[ratm1221]

I'll give you the Dolphins, but the 85 bears would destroy the Pats.

[J.T.]

I'll give you the Dolphins, but the 85 bears would destroy the Pats.

Just like they did in the Super Bowl that year :lol

[monosylab1k]

I'll give you the Dolphins, but the 85 bears would destroy the Pats.
Yeah that QB matchup of Jim McMahon vs. Tom Brady would put Chicago over the top.

[stretch]

I'll give you the Dolphins, but the 85 bears would destroy the Pats.
I dunno. Their secondary would have a VERY hard time stopping Moss.

The only two teams that I say that these Patriots have no chance against whatsoever are the 80's 49ers, and the 90's Cowboys.

[Whisky Dog]

I think the late 70's Steelers as well. Mel Blount would have made Moss cry like a baby.

[monosylab1k]

I think the late 70's Steelers as well. Mel Blount would have made Moss cry like a baby.
Mel Blount couldn't commit pass interference on every play like teams did in the 70's. Take that away from him and he becomes about as useful in coverage as Adam Archuleta.

[Whisky Dog]

Mel Blount couldn't commit pass interference on every play like teams did in the 70's. Take that away from him and he becomes about as useful in coverage as Adam Archuleta.

Who said they're playing in 2007 NFL and not 1978 NFL?

[Ignignokt]

The '85 Bears had some really close games against some really scrub teams. Games they would have lost if not for the other team blowing it at the end. They were good, but they weren't elite. That team was just as easily 13-3, as they were 15-1.


SpursDynasty, you forgot to log out as Extra stout.

[monosylab1k]

Who said they're playing in 2007 NFL and not 1978 NFL?
Fine take them back to 1978. In that case, New England destroys them even worse. They're bigger, stronger, faster, AND they can grab and hold with impugnity? It's not even a fucking game. Plus the fact that there's about 20 QB's in the NFL today that are better than Terry Bradshaw.

[da_pats_fan__]

gotta love the respect the Pats get. The ratings are just incredible!

[Whisky Dog]

Fine take them back to 1978. In that case, New England destroys them even worse. They're bigger, stronger, faster, AND they can grab and hold with impugnity? It's not even a fucking game. Plus the fact that there's about 20 QB's in the NFL today that are better than Terry Bradshaw.

These players today aren't conditioned to play like they did in the '70s. The Pats would get smashed in the mouth worse than they ever have before. There would be much Pats blood shed in that game. Steelers win since the Pats just aren't accustomed to being bitten, kicked, and eye gauged.

[J.T.]

Brady would be concussed on the first play of the game in 1978's NFL.

[samikeyp]

Not to mention what would happen to Moss the first time he mouthed off to someone like Jack Tatum.

Then again...Rodney Harrison would be able to get away with more too.

[J.T.]

Roy Williams would lay ten thousand times more wood in 1978... probably break ten thousand more legs too.

[slayermin]

Mel Blount couldn't commit pass interference on every play like teams did in the 70's. Take that away from him and he becomes about as useful in coverage as Adam Archuleta.

Holy shit. Are you serious? Mel Blount is one of the greatest cornerbacks to ever play the game. He was 6'3 and 205 pounds. Look at his return yards off his picks. That should tell you that he was a great athlete. He could and would adjust to the rules. He played until 1983 and retired at age 35 which meant he played through several rules changes.

What do you think about Herb Adderley? I suppose he couldn't compete against Moss either, right?

[johngateswhiteley]

The '72 Dolphins had some really close games against some really scrub teams. Games they would have lost if not for the other team blowing it at the end. They were good, but they weren't elite. That team was just as easily 12-2, as they were 14-0.

the dolphins didn't beat anyone with a winning record in the regular season.

[kskonn]

Personally I think that going 16-0 in todays NFL would be pretty damn impressive. The parody created by the salary cap makes it pretty hard to go out and win every game. Besides you can only play who they put on your schedule, and in the NFL a win is a win. I would love to see the patriots crush the Giants only because it would crush their confidence going into the playoffs. Since I am a cowboys fan I would rather see the giants suffer than see the Patriots lose.

[monosylab1k]

These players today aren't conditioned to play like they did in the '70s. The Pats would get smashed in the mouth worse than they ever have before. There would be much Pats blood shed in that game. Steelers win since the Pats just aren't accustomed to being bitten, kicked, and eye gauged.

You've gotta be fucking kidding me. Let's see some 250 pound lineman from the 70's try to pull some shit on Leonard Davis. Or Vince Wilfork. Or Booger McFarland. Or Ted Washington. Or Jonathan Ogden. Players in today's game are just as tough, faster, quicker, stronger, and in some cases 50-100 pounds heavier. Players from the 70's can play with all the grit and heart they want, they're NOT FUCKING TAKING OUT A GUY 100 POUNDS HEAVIER WHO IS ALSO STRONGER, FASTER, AND MORE AGILE. Say what you want about steroids and such, but players from the 70's just don't match up physically in any way whatsoever.

[BeerIsGood!]

Personally I think that going 16-0 in todays NFL would be pretty damn impressive. The parody created by the salary cap makes it pretty hard to go out and win every game. Besides you can only play who they put on your schedule, and in the NFL a win is a win. I would love to see the patriots crush the Giants only because it would crush their confidence going into the playoffs. Since I am a cowboys fan I would rather see the giants suffer than see the Patriots lose.

It would be damn impressive. But a loss in the playoffs or SB after a 16-0 season would be the mega failure of all failures.

[slayermin]

You've gotta be fucking kidding me. Let's see some 250 pound lineman from the 70's try to pull some shit on Leonard Davis. Or Vince Wilfork. Or Booger McFarland. Or Ted Washington. Or Jonathan Ogden. Players in today's game are just as tough, faster, quicker, stronger, and in some cases 50-100 pounds heavier. Players from the 70's can play with all the grit and heart they want, they're NOT FUCKING TAKING OUT A GUY 100 POUNDS HEAVIER WHO IS ALSO STRONGER, FASTER, AND MORE AGILE. Say what you want about steroids and such, but players from the 70's just don't match up physically in any way whatsoever.

I disagree. Height wise, they were the same. The players from the 70's had body frames that could put on at least another 30 pounds, if needed.

It's two different eras so if they were to play in some virtual simulation, there would need to be a compromise on size and several other variables. I argue if you are a great football player, you are great in any era.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

:lmao opposing fans are now reaching for the "ESPN loves them too much for them to really be this good" excuse.


you = dumb

[ratm1221]

They just got done showing some New England fans interviews on the NFL network. Now I want them to lose even more.

It's sad when the NFL network has to find little girls saying that they like the Patriots because "Brady is really good looking". Is that the extent of their fan base? :rolleyes

[ratm1221]

New England's Fan's if they win tonight.

http://deseretnews.com/photos/midres/4747114.jpg

[monosylab1k]

It's sad when the NFL network has to find little girls saying that they like the Patriots because "Brady is really good looking". Is that the extent of their fan base? :rolleyes
Yeah because Cowboy fan obsessing over Jessica Simpson and pink Romo jerseys is really hardcore.

[ratm1221]

Yeah because Cowboy fan obsessing over Jessica Simpson and pink Romo jerseys is really hardcore.

Honestly, when have you ever seen 16 year old girls interviewed in football coverage?

[monosylab1k]

Honestly, when have you ever seen 16 year old girls interviewed in football coverage?
When has Tom Brady's game ever been overshadowed by his girlfriend?

[J.T.]

For some reason I can't help but think that 18 to 88 is going to find the end zone many more times in the playoffs than Deadbeat Father to Straight Cash Homey.

[BeerIsGood!]

For some reason I can't help but think that 18 to 88 is going to find the end zone many more times in the playoffs than Deadbeat Father to Straight Cash Homey.
The reason would probably be because you're extremely biased.

[J.T.]

The reason would probably be because you're extremely biased.

Or because Moss said he wanted rest in Week 17 and Harrison is going to be fresh? Perhaps.

[midgetonadonkey]

Or because Moss said he wanted rest in Week 17 and Harrison is going to be fresh? Perhaps.

No its because you are a blind homer.

[spursRgay]

No its because you are a blind homer.

2nd :lol :lol

[J.T.]

We'll see who's laughing on February 3.

[spursRgay]

yes we will :D

[johnsmith]

The only thing we'll be listening too on Feb 3rd is news about the Pats winning another one, and Cowboys fans saying "I'm just happy we got there".

[san antonio spurs]

For some reason I can't help but think that 18 to 88 is going to find the end zone many more times in the playoffs than Deadbeat Father to Straight Cash Homey.
how you believe that is beyond me.
You can be a homer but come'on. Those two are the biggest chokers I've ever seen.
If you said regular season I would understand, but PLAYOFFS?? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PLAYOFFS???

[Extra Stout]

They just got done showing some New England fans interviews on the NFL network. Now I want them to lose even more.

It's sad when the NFL network has to find little girls saying that they like the Patriots because "Brady is really good looking". Is that the extent of their fan base? :rolleyes
Good point. You know, when I think of fan bases that aren't afflicted with bandwagoners, dilettantes, $40,000-millionaires, and cheap, plastic women who obsess over the looks of the quarterback, Dallas definitely has to top my list. Those are some gritty, blue-collar, dedicated fans right there. Troy Aikman even said so.

[Extra Stout]

We'll see who's laughing on February 3.
I've always found Haterade to be really bitter-tasting.