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inconvertible

12-29-2007, 11:26 PM

PixelPusher

12-29-2007, 11:27 PM

radio helmets?

spursRgay

12-29-2007, 11:32 PM

i didn't know that kicking off from the 30 made it easier to go undefeated

debo

12-29-2007, 11:40 PM

congratulations patriots. Although i hate them they are truly an amazing team. Dirty cheaters? yes. ass coach? yep. Amazing? yeah.

but it wont mean anything without a win in the super bowl.

traitoravery

12-29-2007, 11:44 PM

Atleast they looked like they could be beaten. I bet they lose in the playoffs

FromWayDowntown

12-29-2007, 11:54 PM

slayermin

12-30-2007, 12:26 AM

It's the Patriots fault that they built a team with the best QB and best WR and their accomplishments should really be diminished because of that. That's reasonable.

By the way:

-winning percentage of '72 Dolphins opponents = .357 (70-122-4)
winning percentage of '07 Patriots opponents = .465 (112-129)

-playoff qualifiers beaten by '72 Dolphins in regular season = 0
playoff qualifiers beaten by '07 Patriots in regular season = 5 (may increase to 7)

-9 win teams defeated by '72 Dolphins in regular season = 0
10 win teams defeated by '07 Patriots in regular season = 5 (may increase to 6)

They have had the greatest regular season in history. You really can't argue that point. But their place in history will be determined in the playoffs.

johngateswhiteley

12-30-2007, 12:50 AM

It's the Patriots fault that they built a team with the best QB and best WR and their accomplishments should really be diminished because of that. That's reasonable.

By the way:

-winning percentage of '72 Dolphins opponents = .357 (70-122-4)
winning percentage of '07 Patriots opponents = .465 (112-129)

-playoff qualifiers beaten by '72 Dolphins in regular season = 0
playoff qualifiers beaten by '07 Patriots in regular season = 5 (may increase to 7)

-9 win teams defeated by '72 Dolphins in regular season = 0
10 win teams defeated by '07 Patriots in regular season = 5 (may increase to 6)

lol. what irks me is all this talk about 16-0 not meaning anything if they don't win the superbowl. what? it means a lot no matter what happens in the playoffs, though it would mean more if they did finish it out....i think they will.

incredible, incredible team.

inconvertible

12-30-2007, 12:51 AM

i didn't know that kicking off from the 30 made it easier to go undefeated

shorter field to negotiate.

DUNCAN+GINOBILI>NOWITSKI+HOWARD

Dre_7

12-30-2007, 12:53 AM

Just to put Moss' record into perspective, he needed 16 games to catch 23 TD passes. Jerry Rice caught 22 in only 12 games.

inconvertible

12-30-2007, 12:54 AM

radio helmets?

in 1972, quarterbacks did not have radio receivers in their helmets. I think that only happened a couple of years ago.

I am sure that by having radio helmets that Brady got a call tonight about madison looking hurt......and then he went to the hurry up and went BACK to moss immeditately for the score.

spursRgay

12-30-2007, 12:57 AM

shorter field to negotiate.

shorter field for the other team too...don't see how that makes it easier to go undefeated

inconvertible

12-30-2007, 12:58 AM

makes it easier to set records and go undeafeted.

florige

12-30-2007, 01:06 AM

I can't see them beating the Colts if they meet. The only way the Pats can get to you is by blitzing. Their Lb's are old not counting Thomas. Indy's defense is young and quick and can hit. It will suck that they won't have Freeney if the two should happen to meet.

inconvertible

12-30-2007, 01:19 AM

they invite you to get in a scoring match that you will lose......the giants didn't even play bradshaw.....what was up?

Condemned 2 HelLA

12-30-2007, 02:12 AM

lol. what irks me is all this talk about 16-0 not meaning anything if they don't win the superbowl. what? it means a lot no matter what happens in the playoffs, though it would mean more if they did finish it out.

See: '06-'07 Dallas Mavericks and *groan* '05 USC Trojans.
How'd things work out for those teams?
Yeah, I know the Mavs weren't undeafeated, but everyone pretty much figured they were a lock to bulldoze through the playoffs to the Finals.

Viva Las Espuelas

12-30-2007, 02:22 AM

congratulations patriots. Although i hate them they are truly an amazing team. Dirty cheaters? yes. ass coach? yep. Amazing? yeah.

but it wont mean anything without a win in the super bowl.i wish the Mavericks curse on them!!!!!!

Old School Fool

12-30-2007, 03:01 AM

nothing the 72 dolphins had
2.40 yard line kickoffs

Do you even know about football?

mikejones99

12-30-2007, 03:56 AM

New England Patriots enter Brady, Moss, Vrabel and Harrison to Hall of Fame

traitoravery

12-30-2007, 04:13 AM

New England Patriots enter Brady, Moss, Vrabel and Harrison to Hall of Fame

Umm Dont forget Bruschi, Belichek, Seau and maybe Welker.

mikejones99

12-30-2007, 05:33 AM

ok, but welker is really stretching it.

Fabbs

12-30-2007, 09:45 AM

I am sure that by having radio helmets that Brady got a call tonight about madison looking hurt......and then he went to the hurry up and went BACK to moss immeditately for the score.
Was he hurt and with what injury? Yeah looked like he was limping. What was the deal with that? I was blown away by that blown coverage, this would make sense.

Coughlin stopped blitzing ahead 28-16 while BelliCheat continued to blitz. Ballgame.

Fabbs

12-30-2007, 09:47 AM

I can't see the Greasy Pats gifts from the other teams continuing.
Then again, they always keep it close so who knows. They're the SuperBowl favorites for sure.

johnsmith

12-30-2007, 10:23 AM

1.spygate.
2.30 yard line kickoff.
3.radio helmets for the QB.
4.best receiver
5.best quarterback on same team.
6.free agency

nothing the 72 dolphins had
1.no spygate
2.40 yard line kickoffs
3.no radio helmets
4.back up QB most of the season.
5.no free agency.

Montana and Rice were on the same team too, I guess that's unfair for the other teams they play??????

"Radio Helmets" Wow you're dumb.

No Free agency would favor the 72 dolphins you fucking retard.

This is the dumbest start to a thread I've ever read.

slayermin

12-30-2007, 11:35 AM

BeerIsGood!

12-30-2007, 12:09 PM

I'm not giving an * to anybody to try to diminish their accomplishment. I don't like that those guys were the ones to go 16-0, but they did it and deserve all of the props. The spygate stuff was for years past and should be considered as such, but this team legitimately beat everybody that was put in front of them.

Extra Stout

12-30-2007, 12:29 PM

This is definitely a genius-level IQ thread.

midgetonadonkey

12-30-2007, 01:17 PM

makes it easier to set records and go undeafeted.

If it was so much easier wouldn't more teams be doing it?

PixelPusher

12-30-2007, 02:01 PM

*note to self: Buy radio helmet. Life will be perfect. Sweet.

bostonguy

12-30-2007, 02:54 PM

19-0 will be an even better feeling.

WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS NO TIME FOR LOSERS CUZ WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS...OF THE WORLD!!!

Fabbs

12-30-2007, 03:31 PM

If it was so much easier wouldn't more teams be doing it?
That is why the Patsies have to be given props to some level.

Holt's Cat

12-30-2007, 03:54 PM

What is it about our society that we must tear down the accomplishments of others, even in something as trivial as sport?

Fabbs

12-30-2007, 04:15 PM

johngateswhiteley

12-31-2007, 05:32 AM

What is it about our society that we must tear down the accomplishments of others, even in something as trivial as sport?

thats a great point...something thats always irritated me. although, we disagree about sports, i think they are extremely important. btw, is saying sports are trivial tearing down the accomplishments of others?

johngateswhiteley

12-31-2007, 05:37 AM

See: '06-'07 Dallas Mavericks and *groan* '05 USC Trojans.
How'd things work out for those teams?
Yeah, I know the Mavs weren't undeafeated, but everyone pretty much figured they were a lock to bulldoze through the playoffs to the Finals.

i don't think its comparable. that being said, the Pats going 16-0, as i've already said, is incredible on its own regardless of whether they win the superbowl or not.

johngateswhiteley

12-31-2007, 05:38 AM

It don't mean a thing if you ain't got that ring.

i disagree for reasons already stated.

samikeyp

12-31-2007, 10:56 AM

i don't think its comparable. that being said, the Pats going 16-0, as i've already said, is incredible on its own regardless of whether they win the superbowl or not.

I would agree with that. It is a unique and special accomplishment. That being said, I don't think they should be included in the "best ever team" conversation unless they win the Super Bowl, which I think they will.

703 Spurz

12-31-2007, 01:09 PM

It's the Patriots fault that they built a team with the best QB and best WR and their accomplishments should really be diminished because of that. That's reasonable.

By the way:

-winning percentage of '72 Dolphins opponents = .357 (70-122-4)
winning percentage of '07 Patriots opponents = .465 (112-129)

-playoff qualifiers beaten by '72 Dolphins in regular season = 0
playoff qualifiers beaten by '07 Patriots in regular season = 5 (may increase to 7)

-9 win teams defeated by '72 Dolphins in regular season = 0
10 win teams defeated by '07 Patriots in regular season = 5 (may increase to 6)

Why even compare the two teams? Different generation, different league.

It really isn't any comparison. Besides, New England still needs to win 3 more games to even be considered the best ever

Extra Stout

12-31-2007, 01:25 PM

i don't think its comparable. that being said, the Pats going 16-0, as i've already said, is incredible on its own regardless of whether they win the superbowl or not.
If they lose the Super Bowl, then they would cement their place as the 43rd-best team of the Super Bowl era.

If they don't reach the Super Bowl, they would cement their place as the 85th-best team of the Super Bowl era.

johngateswhiteley

12-31-2007, 06:36 PM

If they lose the Super Bowl, then they would cement their place as the 43rd-best team of the Super Bowl era.

If they don't reach the Super Bowl, they would cement their place as the 85th-best team of the Super Bowl era.

...they're the best team i have ever seen, whether they win the superbowl or not.

Fabbs

12-31-2007, 09:31 PM

...they're the best team i have ever seen, whether they win the superbowl or not.
70s Steelers, Joe Montana 49ers grasshopper.

MosesGuthrie

01-02-2008, 03:07 PM

...they're the best team i have ever seen, whether they win the superbowl or not.

For me, its the 85 Bears. If the Pats go 19-0, I will have to re-think that.

stretch

01-02-2008, 03:44 PM

stretch

01-02-2008, 03:47 PM

...they're the best team i have ever seen, whether they win the superbowl or not.
lets not forget, you've only been watching football for like 5-10 years. your opinion is absolutely worthless in this case.

stretch

01-02-2008, 03:47 PM

i disagree for reasons already stated.
those reasons are wrong.

J.T.

01-02-2008, 04:55 PM

So Joe Montana's four rings and Tom Brady's three asterisks walk into a bar. . .

monosylab1k

01-02-2008, 05:36 PM

....and they see Peyton Manning sheepishly holding the one championship ring that Rex Grossman fumbled right into his hands...

J.T.

01-02-2008, 05:55 PM

....and they see Peyton Manning sheepishly holding the one championship ring that Rex Grossman fumbled right into his hands...

Mono, do I even need to tell you how much 4>0 smack you would have layed on me this entire season had the Colts not double-bitchsmacked the Pats in the face last January? Yet since the Colts won it, it's okay to say beating Grossman's team isn't impressive.

stretch

01-03-2008, 10:04 AM

....and they see Peyton Manning sheepishly holding the one championship ring that Rex Grossman fumbled right into his hands...
...and Tom Brady with the rings that Mike Martz handed to him, John Kasay kicked out of bounds to him, and Donovan McNabb threw to him. All while being handed video tapes and recordings of opposing teams play-calls and signals.

monosylab1k

01-03-2008, 10:07 AM

...and Tom Brady with the rings that Mike Martz handed to him, John Kasay kicked out of bounds to him, and Donovan McNabb threw to him. All while being handed video tapes and recordings of opposing teams play-calls and signals.
And then Rich Gannon sidearms a ring over to Keyshawn.

stretch

01-03-2008, 10:10 AM

Mono, do I even need to tell you how much 4>0 smack you would have layed on me this entire season had the Colts not double-bitchsmacked the Pats in the face last January? Yet since the Colts won it, it's okay to say beating Grossman's team isn't impressive.
Lol, very true...

The Colts had a very tough course to a championship as well. They had to play the two best defenses in the league (Baltimore and Chicago), both of which were statistically among the greater defenses the NFL has ever seen, as well as the Patriots (we don't even have to go into detail about them and their history, especially against the Colts... much like the Mavs and Spurs in 06) The Chiefs weren't a great team, but the Colts didn't have the luxury of a bye week, so thats still another game of football after a long, grueling season. The Colts IMO had one of the harder courses to a championship that a team has ever had to face.

J.T.

01-03-2008, 12:06 PM

And then Rich Gannon sidearms a ring over to Keyshawn.

I guess the moral of the story here is that no team really wins a Super Bowl, they just happen to be the benefactor of shitty opponent play.

monosylab1k

01-03-2008, 12:20 PM

I guess the moral of the story here is that no team really wins a Super Bowl, they just happen to be the benefactor of shitty opponent play.
Or in Pittsburgh's case, the benefactor of the refs giving the game to you.

Fabbs

01-03-2008, 12:32 PM

Or in Pittsburgh's case, the benefactor of the refs giving the game to you.
J.T., gotta admit monoslobs got experience with that.

stretch

01-03-2008, 02:11 PM

Or in Pittsburgh's case, the benefactor of the refs giving the game to you.
lol, "tuck rule" game

monosylab1k

01-03-2008, 02:12 PM

lol, "tuck rule" game
read the rule.

and it wasn't the super bowl.

stretch

01-03-2008, 02:52 PM

read the rule.

and it wasn't the super bowl.
thats right. they wouldn't have even gotten to the super bowl if the play was called correctly.

monosylab1k

01-03-2008, 02:53 PM

the play was called correctly. read the rule.

stretch

01-03-2008, 02:57 PM

the play was called correctly. read the rule.
read it.

saw it.

incorrect call.

mardigan

02-02-2008, 12:41 PM

Report: Source claimed Patriots taped Rams before Super Bowl
ESPN.com news services

Updated: February 2, 2008, 12:38 PM ET

An unnamed source has claimed a New England Patriots employee secretly videotaped the St. Louis Rams' pre-game walkthrough the day before Super Bowl XXXVI, the Boston Herald reported Saturday.

According to the report, an unnamed source close to the team during the 2001 season said that following the Patriots' walkthrough at the Louisiana Superdome, a member of the team's video staff stayed behind and taped the Rams' walkthrough -- a non-contact, no-pads practice at reduced speed in which a team goes through its plays.

The cameraman was not asked to identify himself or produce a press pass and rode the media shuttle back to the Patriots' hotel after it was over, a source told the Herald. It is not known what became of the tape afterwards, or whether the cameraman made the tape on his own initiative or at someone else's instruction, according to the report.

Asked about the report, Patriots media relations Stacey James said "The coaches have no knowledge of it," according to the Herald.

The next day, the Patriots upset the favored Rams 20-17 for their first Super Bowl championship. New England will play the New York Giants in Super Bowl XLII on Sunday, in a bid to become the first NFL team to finish a season 19-0.

Former St. Louis Rams quarterback Kurt Warner, currently with the Arizona Cardinals, told ESPN.com investigative reporter Mike Fish that if the league has heard those claims, he's surprised the NFL has not spoken to former Patriots video department employee Matt Walsh. He said if Walsh or any other source has information, it should be investigated.

Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant, has suggested to ESPN.com that he has information that could have exposed the Patriots prior to the NFL catching New England taping the New York Jets' defensive signals during the 2007 season opener. The Patriots were fined $750,000 and lost a first-round draft pick as punishment.

"If I had a reason to want to go public, or tell a story, I could have done it before it even broke," Walsh told ESPN.com. "I could have said everything rather than having [Jets head coach Eric] Mangini be the one to bring it out."

"If they're doing a thorough investigation -- they didn't contact me," Walsh told ESPN.com. "So draw your own conclusions. Maybe they felt they didn't need to. Maybe the league feels they got satisfactory answers from everything the Patriots sent them."

Walsh, 31, now an assistant golf pro at the Ka'anapli Golf Resort in Lahaina, Hawaii, worked for the Patriots from 1996 until the winter of 2002-03 when he was fired. He has hinted to ESPN.com that he has information that could be damaging to both the league and the Patriots, but declined to make it available, saying that it could possibly be seen as stolen property.

Walsh said he is fearful of potential legal action against him by either the league or Patriots if he details what he knows. He has refused to provide evidence of potential wrongdoing unless ESPN agreed to pay his legal fees related to his involvement in the story, as well as an indemnification agreement that would cover any damages found against him in court. ESPN denied his requests.

Friday, Senator Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he had written NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, seeking an explanation as to why evidence in the NFL's investigation of the Patriots videotaping was destroyed.

"I am very concerned about the underlying facts on the taping, the reasons for the judgment on the limited penalties and, most of all, on the inexplicable destruction of the tapes," Specter said in the letter to Goodell.

Specter, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the matter could put the league's antitrust exemption at risk. In a phone interview with The New York Times, which first reported Specter's interest in Spygate, he said the committee at some point will call on Goodell to address the antitrust exemption as well as the destruction of the tapes.

Goodell, in his previously scheduled news conference Friday from Phoenix, said, "I am more than willing to speak with the senator. There are very good explanations why the tapes were destroyed by our staff -- there was no purpose for them."

There were six tapes, according to Goodell -- some from the 2007 preseason, and the rest from 2006. He said he had them destroyed because he was confident that the Patriots had turned over all of the tapes and notes the NFL had requested in its investigation. He also said they were destroyed in order to prevent leaks to the media -- as some footage from one of the tapes was shortly after the story broke.

"We wanted to take and destroy that information," Goodell said. "They may have collected it within the rules, but we couldn't determine that. So we felt that it should be destroyed."

Patriots coach Bill Belichick had little to add on the subject.

"It's a league matter," he said Friday during his news conference. "I don't know anything about it."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/news/story?id=3227245

Mr.Bottomtooth

02-02-2008, 12:45 PM

:lmao