Lock of the year III

[K-State Spur]

I'm glad the Redskins lost...I hope they keep Joe Gibbs around forever..his football philosophy is never gonna make the Redskins a contender again.

what philosophy was that?

the redskins may have only won 9 games this year, but i challenge any team to lose 3/5 of its O-Line (including the entire right side), its starting QB, its best defender (arguably the best Safety in football), its #2 corner, a play-making LB, and 2 of its top 4 WRs for any extended period of time, and even challenge for a playoff spot - let alone make them and have the Seahawks on the ropes in the 4th quarter in their own building.

On a game-to-game basis, with the exception of New England, you could make an argument that the Redskins outplayed their opponents in each game, even in the losses. That's not to say that the 4th quarter defeats aren't a giant red flag.

But given the injuries, youth at the QB position, and the rally down the stretch, that's more than enough qualifiers to see that Gibbs still has the attention of his team and the game has not passed him by.

[BeerIsGood!]

Man, I wanted the Redskins to win so they could go beat Dallas next week :madrun

Very nice run by the Redskins. If that field goal was good, the whole game would have changed. The Redskins and their fans have nothing to be ashamed of.

Gotta love the class of Mav/Cowboy fan in this thread. I can't wait until that soft team implodes again this year. I truly think the Redskins would have beaten 'em.

Seriously dude, your hate for all things Dallas just because of the Mavs is really f'n stupid. Shit like that is almost enough to make me hate the Spurs... except I'm not like you.

[bostonguy]

Man, I wanted the Redskins to win so they could go beat Dallas next week :madrun

Very nice run by the Redskins. If that field goal was good, the whole game would have changed. The Redskins and their fans have nothing to be ashamed of.

Gotta love the class of Mav/Cowboy fan in this thread. I can't wait until that soft team implodes again this year. I truly think the Redskins would have beaten 'em.


Who do you even root for? If it's the Jags, your season ends next week.

[BeerIsGood!]

The Cowboys starters had to play a half or else they would have had 3 weeks of no game time. As it was they were completely disinterested and without many starting pieces, so I have no doubts they will be much, much better next week. The skins still have Todd Collins at QB, and more than likely he turns to trash today. I'm thinking we see the Giants or Bucs in Texas Stadium next week.

Do I know my fucking shit or do I know my fucking shit?

How in the hell anyone thought Todd Collins wouldn't fold like a tent in the playoffs is beyond me.

[Kori Ellis]

Seriously dude, your hate for all things Dallas just because of the Mavs is really f'n stupid. Shit like that is almost enough to make me hate the Spurs... except I'm not like you.

Maybe he hates the Mavs and the Cowboys because of Dallas. Not all things Dallas because of the Mavs :lol

[bostonguy]

Maybe he hates the Mavs and the Cowboys because of Dallas. Not all things Dallas because of the Mavs :lol


Hey Kori, ready for the Pats game next week? I hope you have your Brady jersey ready to wear. Glad to see you are a fan of the greatest NFL team of all time!

[BeerIsGood!]

Maybe he hates the Mavs and the Cowboys because of Dallas. Not all things Dallas because of the Mavs :lol

I swear I've read otherwise, but whatever floats y'alls boat.

Either way the skins still suck and Seattle's getting edged in Lambeau next week. I won't even get into the horrors that await the poor NFC bastards who manage to "not lose" tomorrow.

[Kori Ellis]

I swear I've read otherwise, but whatever floats y'alls boat.
Hey don't lump us together. I don't hate the Cowboys. But I prefer the Steelers/Pats.

[J.T.]

Either way the skins still suck and Seattle's getting edged in Lambeau next week. I won't even get into the horrors that await the poor NFC bastards who manage to "not lose" tomorrow.

Yeah, the Cowboys postseason record after the breakup doesn't bode well for that team at all.

[J.T.]

Hey don't lump us together. I don't hate the Cowboys. But I prefer the Steelers/Pats.

I think the NFL forum has found someone to replace me as the lead frontrunner.

[J.T.]

Hey Kori, ready for the Pats game next week? I hope you have your Brady jersey ready to wear. Glad to see you are a fan of the greatest NFL team of all time!

I wipe my ass with Brady jerseys.

[BeerIsGood!]

I think the NFL forum has found someone to replace me as the lead frontrunner.

No, because you are actually under the delusion that the Colts somehow won't lose to the Pats.

I, OTOH, just really enjoy shit talking to everyone during the playoffs.

[BeerIsGood!]

Hey don't lump us together. I don't hate the Cowboys. But I prefer the Steelers/Pats.

:toast noted.

[Kori Ellis]

I think the NFL forum has found someone to replace me as the lead frontrunner.

My whole family - mother, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc were born in Pittsburgh. I've been a Steelers fan since before you were born.

[bostonguy]

I wipe my ass with Brady jerseys.

You should bow to it because Brady(The MVP mind you) is a God but his coach is the ultimate God of Gods in the football world.

[J.T.]

No, because you are actually under the delusion that the Colts somehow won't lose to the Pats.

Yeah, because the Colts are one of four teams that had a legitimate shot at beating the Pats and played them most of the game with gimpy receivers. Against a healthy Colts team they are going to get their brains eaten.

[Kori Ellis]

I wipe my ass with Brady jerseys.

Pretty expensive toilet paper. Did you get a new job? :)

[J.T.]

Pretty expensive toilet paper. Did you get a new job? :)

They're knock-offs that I imported from Hong Kong.

[Kori Ellis]

They're knock-offs that I imported from Hong Kong.

Pretty smart. :lol

[DallasFan]

What a bunch of pussified excuses. :lol

Any person that knows one iota about football would admit that Dallas has played horribly the last 3 games.

You mention injuries? How about losing 7 starters like Washington???

How about having your best player get killed???

You want a legit reason for excuses? Look at Washington. Do they whine and cry like your Dallas team??

NO.

:rolleyes

Washington looked pretty good today, eh? Excuses or facts...

[DallasFan]

How could Vegas have put this team as an 8 pt fav????

Yeah, they were off a little bit... :lol

[ShoogarBear]

Nice to see Dallas Fan living up to form.

[DallasFan]

Nice to see Dallas Fan living up to form.

Thank you :p:

[samikeyp]

I wipe my ass with Brady jerseys.

Best toilet paper EVER!

[/bostonguy]


:lol

[monosylab1k]

Best toilet paper EVER!

[/bostonguy]


:lol
:lmao

[J.T.]

mikey just won the thread.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Nice to see Dallas Fan living up to form.

Forgive me here, but are the same Redskins that said they beat the Cowboys by 21 because of Sean Taylor saying the same thing about today?

[J.T.]

Forgive me here, but are the same Redskins that said they beat the Cowboys by 21 because of Sean Taylor saying the same thing about today?

Oh snap

[ShoogarBear]

Forgive me here, but are the same Redskins that said they beat the Cowboys by 21 because of Sean Taylor saying the same thing about today?I never defended the excessive Sean Taylor hype, nor even claimed that the Redskins were all that good.

But they aren't much worse than the Cowboys. And it'll be interesting seeing THAT bit of dancing around here if/when they fall short.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And it'll be interesting seeing THAT bit of dancing around here if/when they fall short.

Only if there's circus music.

[DallasFan]

I never defended the excessive Sean Taylor hype, nor even claimed that the Redskins were all that good.

But they aren't much worse than the Cowboys. And it'll be interesting seeing THAT bit of dancing around here if/when they fall short.

Who do you root for?

[slayermin]

I'm drunk.

Fuck this season. I hope the Chargers makes everyone cry.

[K-State Spur]

Forgive me here, but are the same Redskins that said they beat the Cowboys by 21 because of Sean Taylor saying the same thing about today?

They never said the 21 point spread was because of sean taylor, CP just said it wasn't a coincidence.

I don't see why there is a backlash against them rallying around this. It's not the least bit inconvenient to fans of any other team.

[J.T.]

They never said the 21 point spread was because of sean taylor, CP just said it wasn't a coincidence.

I don't see why there is a backlash against them rallying around this. It's not the least bit inconvenient to fans of any other team.

I think Blaze is alluding to how everyone said it was a sign from god that they won by 21 against Dallas and then they turn around and lose by 21 to Seattle.

[timvp]

:lol @ the guy who responded to me like five times. I've never liked the Cowboys. I was an Oilers fan. The Mavs don't have anything to do with why I don't like the Cowboys ... however reading Cowboy Fan post is like reading Mav Fan post -- if Mav Fan had a couple titles to fall back on.

[ShoogarBear]

Who do you root for?The Skins. And previously, the Oilers.

[DallasFan]

The Skins. And previously, the Oilers.

Yeah, I used to love the Oilers as well...I hate the Titans now because of that (although I am a VY fan). I have never latched on to the Texans for some reason.

[703 Spurz]

what philosophy was that?

the redskins may have only won 9 games this year, but i challenge any team to lose 3/5 of its O-Line (including the entire right side), its starting QB, its best defender (arguably the best Safety in football), its #2 corner, a play-making LB, and 2 of its top 4 WRs for any extended period of time, and even challenge for a playoff spot - let alone make them and have the Seahawks on the ropes in the 4th quarter in their own building.

On a game-to-game basis, with the exception of New England, you could make an argument that the Redskins outplayed their opponents in each game, even in the losses. That's not to say that the 4th quarter defeats aren't a giant red flag.

But given the injuries, youth at the QB position, and the rally down the stretch, that's more than enough qualifiers to see that Gibbs still has the attention of his team and the game has not passed him by.

And yet they still lose and are out of the playoffs. The only thing that matters is winning it all man.

You can sit there and go through all the happy times with winning 9 games and getting into the postseason. Let the other teams who are still in it actually get to where they've wanted to go since TC

[703 Spurz]

Prediction:

Washington 29

Seattle 13


After looking at their schedules, I have learned that Seattle does not even belong in the playoffs.

Why?

1) Washington probably has the second-best defense in the NFC.(Behind Dallas) The Seahawks, factoring in their lame schedule, have almost the worst defense in the entire NFL.


2) Schedule strength. Seahawks have played patsies while the Redskins played the Pats. And the Redskins haven't just had to confront the Patriots. Washington also had to travel to Green Bay, play the Cowboys twice, the Giants twice and the division champion Bucs on the road, too. In all, Washington coped with seven games against teams that are in the playoffs.

Seattle faced almost nobody. The Seahawks played only two games against playoff teams. They played 9 games against teams with a losing record. In fact, Seattle only faced two teams that won even 10 games. :lol Seattle's record is mostly a mirage, built on four cream-puff wins against paltry NFC West rivals San Francisco and St. Louis.



How could Vegas have put this team as an 8 pt fav????

Fucking homer
:lol :clap

[703 Spurz]

If you take out the New England game, Washington's defensive stats improve to 2nd best in NFC.

:lol

Oh so you can just take a 52-7 ass kicking out? And let me guess, if you would've won that game by the same score, you wouldn't say "take that out".


:lol

[K-State Spur]

:lol

Oh so you can just take a 52-7 ass kicking out? And let me guess, if you would've won that game by the same score, you wouldn't say "take that out".


:lol

it's called an outlier.

[samikeyp]

I never defended the excessive Sean Taylor hype, nor even claimed that the Redskins were all that good.

But they aren't much worse than the Cowboys. And it'll be interesting seeing THAT bit of dancing around here if/when they fall short.

You won't see much dancing...some people tend to disappear when there team loses. If the Cowboys get knocked out....Blaze will be here, I will be here...maybe a couple of others but otherwise it will be circus music and crickets.

[J.T.]

You won't see much dancing...some people tend to disappear when there team loses. If the Cowboys get knocked out....Blaze will be here, I will be here...maybe a couple of others but otherwise it will be circus music and crickets.

Well I'm sure we wont have to hear from the Boys fans much longer since the big bad NY Giants are going to whup them next week.

[Bigzax]

the day after sucks, but good game, sheepfucker, good game...

[BeerIsGood!]

looks like the Giants are coming for their third ass whipping. This time no Shockey to take advantage of our inept okie.

Serious prediction - Cowboys pull away late in a close, hard fought game in which the absence of Shockey is really felt by the Giants.

[slayermin]

The Skins. And previously, the Oilers.

Warren Moon was a bad man.

[tlongII]

The Giants can beat the Cowboys in Dallas. Should be an interesting game.

[ShoogarBear]

You won't see much dancing...some people tend to disappear when there team loses. If the Cowboys get knocked out....Blaze will be here, I will be here...maybe a couple of others but otherwise it will be circus music and crickets.I wasn't referring to you, Blaze, and the others who are just poor, misguided souls.

I was talking about Mav/Cowboy Fan. :)

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I hope Joe Gibbs enjoys his Five Guys burger with you rather than game-planning this week.

[bostonguy]

The Giants can beat the Cowboys in Dallas. Should be an interesting game.

They can but they wont. Giants are overrated chodes who beat shitty teams to make the playoffs. Tampa isnt anything special. Giants dying to get their asses kicked in the superbowl but they wont come out of the NFC or even win another playoff game.

[ShoogarBear]

I hope Joe Gibbs enjoys his Five Guys burger with you rather than game-planning this week.FiveGuys is about a 20 minute drive from my place, so I got to listen to a lot of the post-game call-ins.

Funniest ideas: seize the team from Synder, and get Devin Hester.

[tlongII]

They can but they wont. Giants are overrated chodes who beat shitty teams to make the playoffs. Tampa isnt anything special. Giants dying to get their asses kicked in the superbowl but they wont come out of the NFC or even win another playoff game.

The Giants have a lot of talent. If Eli is hot they can take out the Cowboys. Dallas isn't that good imo.

[samikeyp]

I wasn't referring to you, Blaze, and the others who are just poor, misguided souls.

I was talking about Mav/Cowboy Fan. :)

Cool. :tu

But you had to like the circus music reference. :)

[slayermin]

I admit I'm a bandwagon Redskins fan. I hopped on in '81. This loss hurts because I have seen Coach Gibbs work miracles. For a minute yesterday, I thought I was watching divine intervention in the 4th Quarter.

[samikeyp]

I wouldn't consider you a bandwagon fan. If you liked them, then gave up on them, then gone back then yes but it doesn't matter when you start liking a team, its sticking with them through good and bad times that matters.

[slayermin]

I wouldn't consider you a bandwagon fan. If you liked them, then gave up on them, then gone back then yes but it doesn't matter when you start liking a team, its sticking with them through good and bad times that matters.

I have stuck with them, especially through the Norv Turner era.

But I have to admit I followed the team sporadically through the Schottenheimer/Spurrier era. I quit playing Madden football right around that time and I just spent too much of my life devoted to a video game and the NFL. Sporadically meaning, I probably watched every National telecast and went to the Sport Bar on the Sundays I had free time.

Though I hope the Chargers win it all, I don't consider myself a Charger fan. I have always been a fan of Norv Turner. You don't just replace Joe Gibbs. I thought Norv got a bit of a raw deal.

[samikeyp]

The Giants can beat the Cowboys in Dallas. Should be an interesting game.

Yes it should and NY is certainly capable. They are good on the road and Eli plays well against Dallas. Can the Giants win? Certainly....but so can the Cowboys.

[BeerIsGood!]

The Giants can beat the Cowboys in Dallas. Should be an interesting game.

?? What kind of a statement is that? They aren't playing a Pop Warner team, this is another professional team who made the playoffs. Even the shit Dolphins can beat the Patriots or anyone else if they catch them on the right day. Anyone can win the game, but the Cowboys are the better team in this matchup. Just like every other competitive sport on earth, football is about matchups. Some teams match up very well with one opponent but shitty against another. The Cowboys have shown that they match up very well against the Giants and the matchup favors the Cowboys.

[tlongII]

?? What kind of a statement is that? They aren't playing a Pop Warner team, this is another professional team who made the playoffs. Even the shit Dolphins can beat the Patriots or anyone else if they catch them on the right day. Anyone can win the game, but the Cowboys are the better team in this matchup. Just like every other competitive sport on earth, football is about matchups. Some teams match up very well with one opponent but shitty against another. The Cowboys have shown that they match up very well against the Giants and the matchup favors the Cowboys.

I don't know what you're drinking, but the Giants clearly match up very well with the Cowboys. Of course it doesn't matter if we don't win in Green Bay though.

[BeerIsGood!]

I don't know what you're drinking, but the Giants clearly match up very well with the Cowboys. Of course it doesn't matter if we don't win in Green Bay though.

How do you figure that?

2 matchups this season to go off of:

2 Cowboy wins by 10+ points.

Cowboys offensive line matches up with the Giants D Line who all are pass rush happy but lack against the run. This is one of the teams the Cowboys can and have run against successfully.

Eli Manning is a hot/cold QB but seems to play at least decent against the Cowboys. That said, his main weapon against the weakness of the Cowboys defense, Shockey, is out. The backup TE doesn't have the game of Shockey or the confidence of the QB to be utilized to attack Roy Williams nearly as much as Shockey did.

Romo is a hot/cold QB at times, although more consistent than Manning. Romo lights up the Giants twice this season, including the 2nd game in the Meadowlands when the Giants were on a big roll and winning streak. This occurs because the Giants' LB (now minus Kiwanuka) don't match up well against Witten and Owens commands double coverage from the secondary. If Romo has the protection that he has had in two meetings against the Giants then he tears that coverage up. The Giants go blitz happy to try to get pressure (as their D coordinator was taught in Philly) and hot reads are open all day. If Romo is remotely on this is another big passing game to go with a better running game than against teams like Washington or Philly.

Burress is a big play receiver, but the Giants need a #2 guy to step up to keep Burress from getting blanketed all day. In the past that was Shockey, but now I have no idea who is capable. Toomer was at one time and may be again on the right day, but at this stage of his career I wouldn't count on it.

Again, there are 8 quarters worth of film to go over in this matchup, and not much of it points to the Giants owning an advantage in the matchup. Most of it shows the matchup advantages of the Cowboys against the Giants, with the one big matchup advantage the Giants have not even playing in the game (Shockey).

So, do you have some technical knowledge to retort and back up your statement? Or were you just saying that because you're pre-conditioned to hate the Cowboys and thought it was the thing to say?

[tlongII]

How do you figure that?

2 matchups this season to go off of:

2 Cowboy wins by 10+ points.

Cowboys offensive line matches up with the Giants D Line who all are pass rush happy but lack against the run. This is one of the teams the Cowboys can and have run against successfully.

Eli Manning is a hot/cold QB but seems to play at least decent against the Cowboys. That said, his main weapon against the weakness of the Cowboys defense, Shockey, is out. The backup TE doesn't have the game of Shockey or the confidence of the QB to be utilized to attack Roy Williams nearly as much as Shockey did.

Romo is a hot/cold QB at times, although more consistent than Manning. Romo lights up the Giants twice this season, including the 2nd game in the Meadowlands when the Giants were on a big roll and winning streak. This occurs because the Giants' LB (now minus Kiwanuka) don't match up well against Witten and Owens commands double coverage from the secondary. If Romo has the protection that he has had in two meetings against the Giants then he tears that coverage up. The Giants go blitz happy to try to get pressure (as their D coordinator was taught in Philly) and hot reads are open all day. If Romo is remotely on this is another big passing game to go with a better running game than against teams like Washington or Philly.

Burress is a big play receiver, but the Giants need a #2 guy to step up to keep Burress from getting blanketed all day. In the past that was Shockey, but now I have no idea who is capable. Toomer was at one time and may be again on the right day, but at this stage of his career I wouldn't count on it.

Again, there are 8 quarters worth of film to go over in this matchup, and not much of it points to the Giants owning an advantage in the matchup. Most of it shows the matchup advantages of the Cowboys against the Giants, with the one big matchup advantage the Giants have not even playing in the game (Shockey).

So, do you have some technical knowledge to retort and back up your statement? Or were you just saying that because you're pre-conditioned to hate the Cowboys and thought it was the thing to say?


Burress is healthy now. Jacobs is 265 lbs. Giants have a good pass rush. Eli is hot. That is all the technical knowledge I need you Cowboy homer.

[degenerate_gambler]

...I gambled millions of dollars in my life time, and I know when a bet is the bet to make...but I am a Skins fan and I had to go with my heart.



what a moron

don't quit your day job...

[tlongII]

The Giants have a lot of talent. If Eli is hot they can take out the Cowboys. Dallas isn't that good imo.

[tlongII]

I don't know what you're drinking, but the Giants clearly match up very well with the Cowboys. Of course it doesn't matter if we don't win in Green Bay though.

[tlongII]

Burress is healthy now. Jacobs is 265 lbs. Giants have a good pass rush. Eli is hot. That is all the technical knowledge I need you Cowboy homer.

[ShoogarBear]

:lmao @ tlong laying the wood.