Roy made the pro bowl?

[Obstructed_View]

That system is flawed. As a Cowboys fan, it's nice to see them represented, but this is way overboard.

In previous years he had trouble covering but he made big plays. When he led the team in interceptions, forced fumbles and sacks it made sense. Not so much this year.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:tu

[K-State Spur]

wow. i can think of about 10 other guys not going who were more deserving.

hell, despite some early mistakes, i wouldn't have traded Laron Landry's production this year for 4 Roy Williams. and no, i'm not making a case that landry belongs instead, only that he was better than williams.

[spursRgay]

Roy Williams is the man...those AFC receivers better watch their collars :spin

[samikeyp]

Did he get in as an alternate? I know he wasn't on the original roster.

EDIT:
Never mind...I just saw the story.

I concur with Obstructed View.

[DallasFan]

Yeah, Roy has his flaws. He does, however, take most (if not all) of the critism when the defense has a bad game. He still gets his hits in every now and then, just not as much as he used to.

I think he has gone from the most overrated safety to the most unappreciated safety.

[fyatuk]

That's about my thinking as well. At least in previous years he was making big hits, timely interceptions, forcing fumbles, etc. This year he did squat.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I think he has gone from the most overrated safety to the most unappreciated safety.
Either way, he's not producing so he better get his shit together.

[DallasFan]

Either way, he's not producing so he better get his shit together.

Yeah, supposedly he's been wearing his old #38 in practice this week (the number he had at OU). There is not a #38 currently on the roster, so I wonder if he changes his number...maybe it'll keep the offenses from locating him :drunk

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I'll welcome anything different he brings because what he has now ain't doing shit.

[Obstructed_View]

I think he has gone from the most overrated safety to the most unappreciated safety.
No, he used to make big plays that were the difference in games. That's why he went to Hawaii.


wow. i can think of about 10 other guys not going who were more deserving.

hell, despite some early mistakes, i wouldn't have traded Laron Landry's production this year for 4 Roy Williams. and no, i'm not making a case that landry belongs instead, only that he was better than williams.

I'd agree that Landry was better than Roy, and he's almost as dirty. And the best part of Roy on the Cowboys is that there aren't 4 of him.

[degenerate_gambler]

what a joke..

but then again, the pro bowl is a joke as well.

[Obstructed_View]

what a joke..

but then again, the pro bowl is a joke as well.
It really is, just about every year. Like I've said before, it used to mean something when the players didn't make enough money to afford a trip to Hawaii. Now it's just more hassle, and there are too many players for fan voting to make much sense; the average fan simply doesn't know enough about the players to make good decisions, and will instead vote for everyone on his team. While they should be allowed to do that, maybe it shouldn't carry quite so much weight in the future.

[K-State Spur]

Yeah, supposedly he's been wearing his old #38 in practice this week (the number he had at OU). There is not a #38 currently on the roster, so I wonder if he changes his number...maybe it'll keep the offenses from locating him :drunk

I heard it was because the Cowboys' staff was unable to get Clinton Portis' cleat imprints out of #31.

(i kid, i kid!)

[samikeyp]

I would like him to wear 21 in the Pro Bowl to honor Taylor.

[BeerIsGood!]

the MLB game I enjoy, all the others are crap.

[Louae]

Yeah, Roy has his flaws. He does, however, take most (if not all) of the critism when the defense has a bad game. He still gets his hits in every now and then, just not as much as he used to.

I think he has gone from the most overrated safety to the most unappreciated safety.

Please take off the cowboy goggles. His play this year has been atrocious. I really believe the Cowboy defense improves when he's off the field.

[Louae]

I would like him to wear 21 in the Pro Bowl to honor Taylor.

That would be nice.

[MajorMike]

What a complete and utter joke.

[O-Factor]

wow. i can think of about 10 other guys not going who were more deserving.

Name 10 other NFC strong safties. Because that is the topic at hand.



hell, despite some early mistakes, i wouldn't have traded Laron Landry's production this year for 4 Roy Williams. and no, i'm not making a case that landry belongs instead, only that he was better than williams.

Roy didn't have a good year in the sense that he made game changing plays. In fact I saw some bone headedness and I saw him miss some tackles I've seen him make in previous years. I don't believe stats should be the sole measuring stick in pro-bowl selection, BUT that is how Roy got in, on stats alone, which are still tops among NFC strong safties, and he played for a 13-3 team. AND he had better stats than Landry so its no suprise to me that he made it in as an alternate. Remember 2/3s of the votes come from players and coaches and 1/3rd from us fans.

[MajorMike]

Name 10 other NFC strong safties. Because that is the topic at hand.

Glad you think so. Taylor was a FS.

So if stats were the sole measure, then why not Gibril Wilson for NYG? He had 92 tackles/4 ints to Roy's 92 tackles/2 ints.

Laywer Milloy, Falcon's SS had 90/2. Lion's Gerald Alexander had 81 tackles/2 sacks/2 ints. Packers' Bigby Atari had 86 tackles/3 forced fumbles/5 ints. Ram's OJ Atogwe had 75 tackles/8 ints.

In additon, none of those players were fined multiple times and suspended for illegal conduct on the playing field.

[O-Factor]

Glad you think so. Taylor was a FS.

So if stats were the sole measure, then why not Gibril Wilson for NYG? He had 92 tackles/4 ints to Roy's 92 tackles/2 ints.

Laywer Milloy, Falcon's SS had 90/2. Lion's Gerald Alexander had 81 tackles/2 sacks/2 ints. Packers' Bigby Atari had 86 tackles/3 forced fumbles/5 ints. Ram's OJ Atogwe had 75 tackles/8 ints.

In additon, none of those players were fined multiple times and suspended for illegal conduct on the playing field.

Well NFL players and coaches disagree with you. 2/3 is greater than 1/3.

[MajorMike]

Well NFL players and coaches disagree with you. 2/3 is greater than 1/3.

And they disagreed with me last year when Romo made it and Garcia didn't. That was a farce as well.

[gmanrulz]

Yeah, supposedly he's been wearing his old #38 in practice this week (the number he had at OU). There is not a #38 currently on the roster, so I wonder if he changes his number...maybe it'll keep the offenses from locating him :drunk

Thirty-Eight Is Great For Williams


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DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
January 3, 2008 6:54 PM Change Font Size A A A A




Williams said he'll switch from No. 31 to No. 38 next year.


IRVING, Texas - Eight is great for Cowboys safety Roy Williams. Well, 38, to be exact.

Williams said Thursday he would change his uniform number back to the one he wore as a standout at the University of Oklahoma beginning next season. Williams wore a No. 38 practice jersey during Wednesday's workouts, prompting questions from the media on Thursday about why he wasn't wearing his usual No. 31 jersey.

"What number change?" Williams teased before admitting that the change had been a long time coming for him.

When Williams first arrived as a rookie at Valley Ranch in 2002 he had to take No. 31 because cornerback Duane Hawthorne had No. 38. Williams could have had the number if he paid Hawthorne $20,000 - a move Williams didn't want to make. Hawthorne left the team at the end of the 2002 season and safety Lynn Scott wore the number off and on through 2005. Since then, No. 38 has been available for any Cowboys player, allowing Williams to make the switch.

"I've always been wanting to change my number to that," Williams said.

The number change isn't just a throwback to Williams' college days. It's also rooted in the Bible, according to the safety.

"Eight in the bible is regarded as a new beginning, and I feel that after this season it's time to switch over," Williams said. "Switch to No. 38."

Williams said he had talked to his pastor Rickie G. Rush at the Inspiring Body of Christ, a nondenominational church located in Dallas, telling him what he wanted to do.

Another factor in delaying the number change to next year, according to Williams, is not wanting Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to lose money on the large inventory of No. 31 jerseys in the marketplace.

"It was kind of helping out Jerry, so he wouldn't lose money in the whole deal," Williams said.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=424BB868-C636-5C9D-5BB4EE19AF109245

[O-Factor]

And they disagreed with me last year when Romo made it and Garcia didn't. That was a farce as well.

Your hatred of the Cowboys makes you way off base. I agreed Roy was a bone head this past year, but his stats were very similar with the above you mentioned, AND he played on a 13-3 team. We as fans see the worst in Roy, but players and coaches see something elss I guess. Thats why its believable to me that he made it in as an ALTERNATE. On a side note, in the Dallas Morning News, Roy said he recognized that he is in because of Taylors death and that he had something special planned for Sean Taylors memory during the pro-bowl. Thats pretty classy.

Last year Garcia was great and made alot of plays. His season just started way too late(week 11) for Pro-Bowl consideration. He only passed for 1309 yards and 10tds while Romo passed for 2903 and 19tds, and made plays of his own. No farce there.

[MajorMike]

If the voting had been after then end of the season, Garcia would have made it above Romo, hands down. Romo choked away the end of the year while Garcia rallied his team to wins. Romo was voted in during the sudden man-love affair that the media had with him.

Your logic of being on a winning team is completely awful. Saying he deserves it more than someone who played on NYG because his team was better is just plain ignorant. They get more votes because they are the Yankees of football - people who know nothing about the sport all around the country like them better because it became cool to. That's all; nothing more.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol O-Factor's avatar. Love it.

[dallaskd]

Roy Williams < Alive Sean Taylor

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Roy should not even be starting on the Cowboys.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

We as fans see the worst in Roy, but players and coaches see something elss I guess.

Yeah, it's called name recognition.

Oshiomogho Atogwe, Tanard Jackson, Jermaine Phillips and Chris Harris aren't exactly household names.

How do three members of the Cowboys secondary make the Pro Bowl and no one from the Bucs' secondary gets the nod when the Bucs' secondary was better than the 'Boys all year?

[BeerIsGood!]

"Roy Williams is just sucking like every Oklahoma player is supposed to suck in the NFL."


-SoonerDynasty

[Harry Callahan]

I think Roy Williams was a very good player for his first 3-4 years, but man the last two seasons have been brutal.

He was effective when he blew people up with the big hit, but how often has he done that lately? Not much.

This changing the number to 38 thing seems to show that he is realizing he'd better step it up next year. If not, that guy may be a cap casualty in the next year or two.

[Obstructed_View]

If the voting had been after then end of the season,
But it wasn't. The performances this year reinforce the decision. Thanks for playing.

[J.T.]

Oshiomogho Atogwe, Tanard Jackson, Jermaine Phillips and Chris Harris aren't exactly household names.


Oshiomogho Atogwe, Tanard Jackson, Jermaine Phillips and Chris Harris don't have stars on their helmets, and that's why they ain't going to the Pro Bowl.

[samikeyp]

:lmao @ the Cowboys Conspiracy.

I get the bandwagon fans but bandwagoning players and coaches? (Voting is only 1/3 fans)

There is no way that opposing coaches and players are saying "they're Cowboys....let's put them in there!"

With as much as Jones has pissed off the NFL...no way the league gives them any favors.

Now I do believe that players get in sometimes on name recognition only. Not team name but individual name. They see a guy who has been there before and tend to assume he belongs there because he has been there before. I think that has happened with several players and Williams is one of them.

While I do not believe in the "put Dallas players on the Pro Bowl team just because they are Dallas players" conspiracy theory, I do agree that Roy Williams does not belong in Honolulu.

[O-Factor]

If the voting had been after then end of the season, Garcia would have made it above Romo, hands down. Romo choked away the end of the year while Garcia rallied his team to wins. Romo was voted in during the sudden man-love affair that the media had with him.

Your logic of being on a winning team is completely awful. Saying he deserves it more than someone who played on NYG because his team was better is just plain ignorant. They get more votes because they are the Yankees of football - people who know nothing about the sport all around the country like them better because it became cool to. That's all; nothing more.

Dude, you need to read what people write. Show me exactly where I said "Roy Williams deserved to be in the Pro-Bowl" or deserved it above any other player. Show me where I've been "Rah-Rah-Rah Roy Williams Owns ALL" Must of been when I called him a bonehead huh?.....All I've been saying is that it is believable he got in because his stats were similar to others at his position and players on teams doing well always seem to get the nod their. That and name recognition.

You are saying that he made ALTERNATE simply because of the mass fan support of the Cowboys? By your logic wouldn't the Cowboys have 22 starters year in and year out in the Pro-Bowl then? You think that support crossed over to NFL players and coaches who account for 66% of the voting, are voting for Cowboys because they are fans of them? Thats funny.