Rolen traded for Glaus!

[djohn14]

Scott Rolen might have been traded to the Jays for Troy Glaus as reported by Ken Rosenthal!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

!

[K-State Spur]

Scott Rolen might have been traded to the Jays for Troy Glaus as reported by Ken Rosenthal!

which begs the question...why? they're practically the same guy.

[FromWayDowntown]

The Cardinals wanted the Blue Jays' china doll and offered their own in exchange.

[MajorMike]

They are the same guy with the same paycheck, but maybe the new one will get along with Tony and won't be a bitch when he gets benched for a hotter hitter.

[T Park]

Glaus isn't as good defensively, but is twice the power hitter.

All of Glaus's injury problems have stemmed from playing on that damn astroturf.

The grass should help.

Shame to see Rolen go, he was my favorite player.

[K-State Spur]

Glaus hits more HRs, but is not twice the power hitter - Rolen actually usually posts a higher SLUG%.

However, that's chalking up 2 of his last 3 years to injury. If you think that's more due to a fall off in play than injury, then Glaus is better power hitter.

[T Park]

Glause in 06 when he played the full season (153 games)

had 40 and 135

Damn, heres to hopin hes healthy for the very least 140!!

[JamStone]

Scot Rolen is a whiney little bitch.

Troy Glaus is a steroid junkie.

[MajorMike]

You know, I really liked Rolen at one time, but when he just couldn't get over the whole him vs Tony thing, I think it was time for him to go. He had the same type problem in Philly that led to his exit. I expect he will have a couple stelaar 1st years in Tornonto and then play like shit and bitch to get out.

The Jays now have 1/2 of the Cards infield.

[T Park]

I really was hoping the rift between him and Tony that started at all places, the NLCS game 2 against the Mets, was a media fabrication.

Apparently it wasn't.

My father is happy, he never liked Rolen :lol

Now if they traded Mulder for a good pitcher hed be one happy mfer. Of course he thinks the cardinal's ownership is cheap, and after this past offseason he does have a point. THey haven't spent hardly any money at all.

[K-State Spur]

actually, it makes sense for the Cardinals not to spend money this offseason. there aren't really any free agents out there that are going to put them over the top. i believe they are smart enough to do an actual rebuild.

...as opposed to the Orioles who keep spending money on mediocre players who are just good enough to win 70-75 games a year.

[T Park]

Yeah not this year, but next year is when the Cardinal's farm system is gonna pay dividends with Perez, Rasmus, Mather, Hoffpauer and others.

Hell Hoff and Mather might be on the big leagues this year. They also got this supposed stud in the outfield from the Rule 5 draft from Cleveland named Barden.

This season will be tough, but Clement is decent, and Mulder can pitch mediocre to decent, then they could win the division.

[K-State Spur]

Rasmus is a flat out stud, going to be a star sooner than later.

I do still think you over-value most of the rest of the farm though. Outside of a huge ceiling guy like Rasmus, every club in baseball can sport prospects like the other guys you mentioned. Perez should be alright in the pen, but the rest of those guys might pan out, but they probably won't.

[T Park]

Rasmus is a flat out stud, going to be a star sooner than later.

Word is, he might be just thrown into the fire and be put on the big league club and get the center fielder job.

Dunno how I feel about that, but what the hell why not? Season is shot anyways.

[K-State Spur]

most clubs are willing to jump a kid from AA to the bigs now (the actual talent disparity between AA and AAA is minimal - it's just that AAA has some guys who are craftier and have big league experience).

and rasmus flat out dominated AA.

[bostonguy]

Rolen will put the Jays over the top against the Red Sox! :drunk :drunk :drunk

[K-State Spur]

Nobody in the East is catching the Sox next year obviously. But it's not completely outlandish for the Jays or even the Rays (if they mature as fast as the Rockies did last year) talking about making a run at the Yankees if they catch some good breaks and Yankees catch some bad ones.

[bostonguy]

Nobody in the East is catching the Sox next year obviously. But it's not completely outlandish for the Jays or even the Rays (if they mature as fast as the Rockies did last year) talking about making a run at the Yankees if they catch some good breaks and Yankees catch some bad ones.

The Yanks will take a nose dive next season. They will still be a serious playoff contender but that is about it. They havent been a championship contender since the 2004 ALCS.

[djohn14]

I tell u what, the Al is gonna come down to the Sox and The Tigers...look at this
C -Ivan Rodgriguez
1B-Carlos Gullien
2B-Placido Palanco
SS-Edgar Renteria
3B-Miguel Cabrera
LF-Jauque Jones
CF-Curtis Granderson
RF-Magglio Ordonez
DH-Gary Sheffield

Bench-Brandon Inge

Pitchers-Dontrelle Willis (overrated but still good)
Jeremy Bonderman
Joel Zumeya, ect

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

[T Park]

The fuckin Tigers got Renteria!?!?

I totally missed that.

Shit, the fuckin Tigers are goddamn LOADEDDDDDD

[djohn14]

The fuckin Tigers got Renteria!?!?

I totally missed that.

Shit, the fuckin Tigers are goddamn LOADEDDDDDD

Yeah, they traded two of their top five prospects to the Braves. Pitcher Jair Jurrens and OF Gorkys Hernandez. Both are extremley young and Jurrens is already expected to compete for the 4th or 5th spot. So being a Braves fan I am excited about the Braves present and future. Yes I will miss Edgar, but Yunel Escobar is young, talented, and most importantly ready. But yeah, the Tigers are pretty much loaded.

[T Park]

BTW, getting Rolen has not made the Jays instant contenders.

[K-State Spur]

BTW, getting Rolen has not made the Jays instant contenders.

No, but they already have a line-up and a pitching ace that can easily compete with the Yanks and Bosox.

Keeping Burnett healthy and watching Marcum, Litsch, and McGowan (one of the best young starting trios in baseball) progress is what would make them instant contenders (at least for the wildcard).

[T Park]

Of course Rolen and Eckstein their 3rd and ss, will be hurt half the year, so their young backups better be ready.

[FromWayDowntown]

Is Glaus really 0-25 against the Cubs in 2008? Really?

[K-State Spur]

Overall, the Cards have made out like bandits in the deal. Glaus has an OPS over .100 points higher than Rolen. You could also make the argument that he has been better defensively this year as well.

I consistently laughed at the idiots who called Rolen the best defensive 3rd baseman of all time. That's nothing short of a slap in the face to Brooks Robinson.

[MajorMike]

Who?

[T Park]

Is Glaus really 0-25 against the Cubs in 2008? Really?

0-29

[T Park]

Overall, the Cards have made out like bandits in the deal. Glaus has an OPS over .100 points higher than Rolen. You could also make the argument that he has been better defensively this year as well.

I consistently laughed at the idiots who called Rolen the best defensive 3rd baseman of all time. That's nothing short of a slap in the face to Brooks Robinson.

Rolen when he was healthy and playing everyday really was probobly the best defensive position player I have ever seen.

[T Park]

bump for Troy's fabulous 2 HR 5 RBI game today :)

21 homers 79 RBIs on the year for Mr Glaus btw.

[K-State Spur]

Rolen when he was healthy and playing everyday really was probobly the best defensive position player I have ever seen.

No doubt Rolen is the best 3rd baseman of this era.

But that only tells me that you never saw Brooks. The man made plays down the line that Rolen simply was not capable of making (and he was every bit as good on the routine plays as well).

He and Belanger may have been the best left side of the IF ever from a defensive standpoint - and that's not hyperbole.

[T Park]

Bob Gibson still says to this day that

Rolen > Brooks Robinson.

Even after the trade.


The man made plays down the line that Rolen simply was not capable of making

I don't know about that.
Rolen could get to about every ball hit to him. Dude was a freaking vacuum.

[K-State Spur]

Bob Gibson still says to this day that

Rolen > Brooks Robinson.

Even after the trade.



I don't know about that.
Rolen could get to about every ball hit to him. Dude was a freaking vacuum.

And plenty of others (that weren't lifelong Cardinals) - including Willie Mays - say Brooks is the best defensive player ever.

Defensive stats aren't always a great way of comparing players, but that said...

Brooks did consistently post higher fielding percentages than Rolen. From 1998-2008, Rolen has posted 5 seasons of a .970 FP or higher. Between 1960-1975, Robinson only had 4 years of less than a .970 FP.

and his range factor blows Rolen's away - this is a large enough discrepancy that the numbers do become statistically significant. Brooks' range was - and is - unmatched. He actually was capable of playing SS or 2B for short stretches.

The best defensive statistic for comparison is the totalzone stat used in the fielding bible. Brooks has a +269. This blows away his competition as the next closest is Buddy Bell at +135. Rolen is currently at +89. Now, this a cumulative stat, so he still has a good chance at catching Bell (although the number will actually start losing points in his later years when his range drops). But he won't get anywhere near Brooks.

Once again, defensive stats don't always tell the whole picture. But basically, any evidence available to us shows Brooks to be the superior (no, that word is not strong enough - the SUPREME) third baseman. The only evidence that backs Rolen is that "I am a Bluejays/Cardinals/Phillies fan" or "I only talk about players from the modern era."

[FromWayDowntown]

Brooks Robinson is in the Hall of Fame because he was the premier defensive player of his era while posting offensive numbers that were pretty good for teams that won consistently.

Scott Rolen won't sniff the Hall of Fame.

[djohn14]

Rolen has the same amount of HRs (268) and a better BA by around 15 points and around 80 more stolen bases in 10 less years. No Rolen wont sniff the Hall, but you know what 3B will?....Chipper Jones!

[K-State Spur]

Rolen has the same amount of HRs (268) and a better BA by around 15 points and around 80 more stolen bases in 10 less years. No Rolen wont sniff the Hall, but you know what 3B will?....Chipper Jones!

Brooks was bit of an overrated offensive player (although their offensive differences become lessened when you take into account that Brooks played during a tremendous pitchers' era - and in a tremendous pitchers' park - while Rolen has enjoyed the greatest hitters' era of all time). He did have about a 10 year stretch where he was the premier offensive 3rd baseman in the AL, but his career numbers are offset by the fact that his bad offensive years were terrible.

Of modern third basemen, I think Jones is in and that's probably it for a while (I still consider A-Rod a SS).

Santo definitely deserves to be in as well. He was the best 3rd baseman in the NL for almost a decade (between Eddie Mathews and Mike Schmidt). I don't care about his numbers (which are impressive in their own right) - that alone should get him in.

[slayermin]

Santo definitely deserves to be in as well. He was the best 3rd baseman in the NL for almost a decade (between Eddie Mathews and Mike Schmidt). I don't care about his numbers (which are impressive in their own right) - that alone should get him in.

Mike Schmidt and Lefty Carlton are my two favorite baseball players of all-time.

[T Park]

Update

Highest fielding percentage and lowest errors for a third baseman in Major League Baseball?

Troy Glaus :)


Trust me I'm shocked, hes better defensively than I thought he would be.