Cavs/Sonics/Bulls 3 Way Trade

[Sausage]

ESPN is reporting the following trade.

Bulls recieve: Larry Hughes Drew Gooden and Cedric Simmons
Sonics recieve: Chris Duhon Ira Newble and Donyell Marshall
Cavs recieve: Ben Wallace, Wally Z, Joe Smith, Delonte West

The Cavs just got a whole lot stronger now, since they got the deadweight of Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden off that team.

[baseline bum]

ESPN is reporting the following trade.

Bulls recieve: Larry Hughes Drew Gooden and Cedric Simmons
Sonics recieve: Chris Duhon Ira Newble and Donyell Marshall
Cavs recieve: Ben Wallace, Wally Z, Joe Smith, Delonte West

Reports as a done deal, or something in discussion?

[Sausage]

They reported it on ESPNEWS a few minutes ago and apparently the paperwork was sent into the NBA, and is being reviewed.

[naico]

WTF???
Cleveland got 4 decent players, just like that?

[Road Warrior]

Wow good trade for Cleveland.

[Xylus]

Cavs made out well in this trade, while the Bulls and Sonics aren't really impacted either way.

[G-Nob]

Great move, Cavs. You put yourself in a position to compete with the Pistons.

[MoSpur]

Wow. Seattle got rid of Wally's contract and West's contract. That is about $15 million. The only player they are receiving with a contract after next season is Donyell Marshall at around $5 million.

[KidCongo]

I just dont like bens or wallys cotract

[Spurminator]

So the Sonics give up two players and take back three... one less roster spot.

[Matchman]

lucky we are done with the Cavs this year. I think the Rockets is the first western conference team that swept the Cavs in their season series?

[MoSpur]

The Cavs took on Wally's $13 million, Wallace's $28 for the next two, Joe Smith's contract and West.

[monosylab1k]

I think the Bulls actually benefit a lot from this. Ben Wallace is total dead weight on a team like that. He'll do better in Cle.

[FromWayDowntown]

So the Sonics give up two players and take back three... one less roster spot.

Good point.

[naico]

Especially Joe Smith will provide a lot to the cavs. Don't underestimate Wally..

[Sausage]

Now ESPNEWS is saying its an 11 player deal, so either its an error, or there's another player not named yet.

[KidCongo]

Especially Joe Smith will provide a lot to the cavs. Don't underestimate Wally..

Yer cavs fans act like we got nothing back but we got rid of 2 of our most inconsistent players

[KidCongo]

Now ESPNEWS is saying its an 11 player deal, so either its an error, or there's another player not named yet.
i herd we get a 2nd rounder too..

[ancestron]

:wow

[MoSpur]

Seattle will only have about $46 - $48 million payroll next season. Presti is doing a great job trying to rebuild.

[703 Spurz]

So now half of Seattle's team is brand new players. Nice consistency they'll have :lol

[loveforthegame]

New Details Of Cleveland Three-Way

February 21, 2008 - 3:54 pm
Philadelphia Inquirer -

According to David Aldridge, the Cavaliers, Bulls and Sonics have agreed to a three-way trade.

The Cavaliers receive Ben Wallace, Joe Smith, Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West.

The Bulls receive Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden.

The Sonics receive Ira Newblem, Donyell Marshal and Chicago's Adrian Griffin

[MoSpur]

Can we trade R.C Buford for Sam Presti?

[Thunder Dan]

finally! Laura Hughes is gone!

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Wow good for Cleveland. They take on two bad contracts, but they are clearing out two so that's kind of a wash, and what they get fills needs. And all they give up are guys who were never consistent enough to be difference makers, except may Marshall. Danny Ferry deserves some props.

[Ice009]

WTF Sam Presti seems like he's 10 times smarter than Buford ;).

Would you guys rather have Buford or Presti as our GM?

[FromWayDowntown]

Just heard that Shannon Brown is in the deal, too.

Not surprisingly, everything going to Seattle is expiring, so the roster spot issue might not be particularly relevant -- instead, the Sonics now have a bunch of choices for buyouts and are going to have to keep some of these bodies around to comply with rules that they meet minimum roster requirements.

[FromWayDowntown]

WTF Sam Presti seems like he's 10 times smarter than Buford ;).

Would you guys rather have Buford or Presti as our GM?

Presti and Buford are trying to achieve different ends. If the Spurs were trying to clear out bad contracts and clear cap space, Buford would probably be a bit more willing to wheel-and-deal.

[iminlakerland]

wow...Cavs

[KidCongo]

yer shannon brown was a bad draft pick by the cavs he can score but do not much else.

[loveforthegame]

Stein is reporting the deal like this:

Cavs get: Wallace, Wally, Smith, West, Bulls future 2nd round pick

Bulls get: Hughes, Gooden, Simmons, Brown

Sonics get: Newble, Marshall, Griffin

[1Parker1]

I'm trying to decide who got the better end of this deal....Lebron needs a scorer next to him, they don't have any problem with rebounding or defense so I don't understand why Wallace was so appealing to them.

[Budkin]

Another horribly lopsided trade... Cavs with the huge robbery.

[tlongII]

Excellent trade for Cleveland. They are going to be very tough!

[iminlakerland]

i'm speechless, wtf is going on this season with trades this season. Atleast it is exciting, cant deny that.

[KidCongo]

I'm trying to decide who got the better end of this deal....Lebron needs a scorer next to him, they don't have any problem with rebounding or defense so I don't understand why Wallace was so appealing to them.

no interior D with gooden and Z paired, now hoping wallace and Z compliment.

[1Parker1]

I'm surprised that the Bulls thought that was the best deal they could get after being involved in trade rumors for a long time now...

[MoSpur]

Wallace and Z will be pretty good in the East. Wallace will defend Rasheed and KG.

[iminlakerland]

I dont know what Paxson is thinking...seriously the bulls are absolutely throwing the towel in...Still dont have great cap space after this year.

[Ice009]

Well if the Bulls could have had Gasol last season or even earlier this season they COMPLETELY STUFFED up.

[iminlakerland]

Lebron finally has a shooter in Wally, he gots a rebounder and a very good low post defender...the cavs have gotten so much better.

[degenerate_gambler]

no interior D with gooden and Z paired, now hoping wallace and Z compliment.


so wallace slides over to the 4 spot?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Wallace may not have been appealing as much as he was the price of admission for the deal.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

lucky we are done with the Cavs this year. I think the Rockets is the first western conference team that swept the Cavs in their season series?


nope. The Nuggets killed the Cavs in both games :smokin

[thispego]

Joe Smith is the shit

[Ice009]

Pretty darn good trade for the Cavs. I haven't watched much Ben Wallace this season, but he can't be as bad as everyone is saying he is can he? I've read that his rebounding is average and his D isn't too good anymore either?

[baseline bum]

Wow... so the Bulls went from dreams of getting Kobe to landing Larry freaking Hughes! :lmao

What a disaster.

[thispego]

finally! Laura Hughes is gone!
Isn't Ira Newble your favorite NBA player or is that another cav fan?

[Thunder Dan]

Isn't Ira Newble your favorite NBA player or is that another cav fan?

no that's me. It's a bittersweet day because I can't go to Cavs games and wear my Newble jersey.

[DarkReign]

The Cavs just got a whole lot stronger now, since they got the deadweight of Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden off that team.

Drew Gooden isnt deadweight, IMO. Hes a "good" player.

[thispego]

no that's me. It's a bittersweet day because I can't go to Cavs games and wear my Newble jersey.

you gonna squirt some? :cry

[Thunder Dan]

you gonna squirt some? :cry

he was basically my favorite player because when I go to games I wear that jersey and people give me so much shot for paying 50 bucks to get a Newble jersey made. So basically I just stick up for Newble and act like I really think he is the best baller on the team and everyone else doesn't know a good basketball player when they see him. I basically just got heckled by the fans of the team I root for.....but he sucks, and now I can let my guard down and admit that

[peskypesky]

Cavs are fools. Ben Wallace is getting paid per $15million to average 5pts and 8 boards. And how are Wallace and Ilgauskas going to play together?

[ancestron]

I have a magical PS3 and I have been controlling the NBA this year. sorry.

[rAm]

I have a magical PS3 and I have been controlling the NBA this year. sorry.

nope, sorry

[Marklar MM]

Cavs are fools. Ben Wallace is getting paid per $15million to average 5pts and 8 boards. And how are Wallace and Ilgauskas going to play together?

Wallace can play the 4, which would suit him better.

[RonMexico]

lucky we are done with the Cavs this year. I think the Rockets is the first western conference team that swept the Cavs in their season series?

I thought the Suns went 2-0 this year too.

[kingsfan]

Paxson has officially lost his damn mind. Joe and Duhon have been the only consistent players this year, well Joe anyway but Duhon improved with all the injuries.
lehyoe gets some help, whoopee! :rolleyes

[kolko]

Paxson has officially lost his damn mind. Joe and Duhon have been the only consistent players this year, well Joe anyway but Duhon improved with all the injuries.
lehyoe gets some help, whoopee! :rolleyes
Duhon is staying with the Bulls.

[Tippecanoe]

well, at least they got rid of larry hughes

[Tippecanoe]

but dammit, whats gonna happen to heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

[Thunder Dan]

I love reading Bulls' fan's comments on their board about how dumb the Cavs are for this trade, and how big of a bust Ben Wallace was...but Ben is what he is. He doesn't score, he might airball free throws, but he plays great defense. I work with a guy that is an idiot (actually a few), and when he heard the trade he was trying to tell me how the Cavs are idiots because Wallace averages 3 points a game and Gooden averages 11. It's like people only look at points as what your value is.

[Bruno]

I like this deal for Bulls.
Hughes > Wallace
Gooden > Smith

[remingtonbo2001]

Cleveland is taking on alot of contract. I hope it works out for em'.

[DazedAndConfused]

The only bad thing for Cleveland is that if this doesn't work out they are screwed for the future.

[iminlakerland]

Well for cleveland if they had waited they would of had cap space available to them in the next couple of years, to sign something. But to be honest Lebron wanted help, and he was begining to vocalize it. I think they did it more so to help Lebron. I think for the short term its good for them. I dont think its a bad trade for them at all, but they could of quite possibly been able to do better down the line.

[T Park]

Cleveland pretty much had to do this.

They weren't gonna make the eastern finals with that team.

Now IMO, they can beat the Pistons and the Celtics with this lineup.

[KidCongo]

Well for cleveland if they had waited they would of had cap space available to them in the next couple of years, to sign something. But to be honest Lebron wanted help, and he was begining to vocalize it. I think they did it more so to help Lebron. I think for the short term its good for them. I dont think its a bad trade for them at all, but they could of quite possibly been able to do better down the line.

Cavs still have over 20mil in expirings next year with Snow, Szczerbiak, and Damon Jones. Never would have had significant cap space even if they didn't trade.

[san antonio spurs]

Cleveland pretty much had to do this.

They weren't gonna make the eastern finals with that team.

Now IMO, they can beat the Pistons and the Celtics with this lineup.
NO WAY they can beat the pistons or celtics with that lineup.
They just had to shake things up to make Lebron happy.

[iminlakerland]

Cavs still have over 20mil in expirings next year with Snow, Szczerbiak, and Damon Jones. Never would have had significant cap space even if they didn't trade.

You are right i stand corrected.

So now with Daniel Gibsons contract is expiring after this year (unrestricted free agent), so do you see the cavs trying to resign him?

[z0sa]

NO WAY they can beat the pistons or celtics with that lineup.
They just had to shake things up to make Lebron happy.

wallace on D never hurts things. Its not his fault skiles basically ruined the entire bull thing for him.

okay well its partly his fault, and hes not what he used to be, but ..

[KidCongo]

You are right i stand corrected.

So now with Daniel Gibsons contract is expiring after this year (unrestricted free agent), so do you see the cavs trying to resign him?

Yes, they will resign and i can't see him leaving Cleveland. No team can offer more than MLE for him. I got he feeling they have rights to match anything.

[Thunder Dan]

NO WAY they can beat the pistons or celtics with that lineup.
They just had to shake things up to make Lebron happy.

right because the Cavs didn't beat the Pistons last year with basically 2 guys. I love how people just forget that the Cavs actually won the Eastern Conference last year. THEY DID BEAT THE PISTONS. They didn't lose anyone that helped them do that. This isn't a Suns thing where they have never beaten anyone of significance in the playoffs, the Cavs can beat the Pistons because it has already happened.

[Pistons < Spurs]

The Cavs 4 new players, in their first game combine for:

41pts 18rbs 6asts 5stls 3blks

[Armando]

Bulls got the better of that deal. How soon before Wallace is complaining about lack of touches and Wally is calling timeouts when the team is out? Delonte West does not scare anyone. Bad move by the Cavs. Now when Wallace is in the game you can double up on LeBron.

[DazedAndConfused]

Bulls look very sharp against the Rockets. I think Hughes is going to thrive in their system.

[Thunder Dan]

Bulls got the better of that deal. How soon before Wallace is complaining about lack of touches and Wally is calling timeouts when the team is out? Delonte West does not scare anyone. Bad move by the Cavs. Now when Wallace is in the game you can double up on LeBron.

obviously you know nothing about Larry Hughes