Breaking: Michigan to hold Democratic Caucus

[Mr. Peabody]

Per The New Republic


BREAKING: MI Caucus Likely, Says DNC Rules Committee Member

A member of the DNC's Rules And Bylaws Committee--the committee that stripped Florida and Michigan of its delegates for moving their primaries before February 5th--told me that Michigan plans to get out of its uncounted delegate problem by announcing a new caucus in the next few days.

"They want to play. They know how to do caucuses," the DNC source said. "That was their plan all along, before they got cute with the primary."

Michigan Democrats had originally planned on caucuses after the legally permissible Feb. 5 date, but then went along with top elected Democrats, including Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who pushed for an early primary.

Hillary Clinton won that Jan. 15 primary, but was the only major candidate on the ballot. Barack Obama and John Edwards had removed their names, although Obama supporters in the state urged voters to choose “uncommitted” over Clinton. Forty percent of the voters that day did just that, compared to 55 percent who voted for

--S.V. Date

[boutons_]

Dean announced today he urges do-overs for MI and FL.

[pussyface]

lordie

[spurster]

Caucuses in MI and FL would seal the deal for Obama.

[AFBlue]

Hillary will sue...

[George Gervin's Afro]

this is the only fair way to decide this.

[mikejones99]

Someone needs to clean up Michigan and Florida, they are as bad as Iraq.

[boutons_]

Hillary's OH victory speech said she won FL, and of course, she claims to have won MI being unopposed.

Slate's Delegate Caculator says she has to run the table, win ALL remaining the primaries AND by 20% points to get the nomination. Otherwise, she loses on delegates and popular vote, so can't appeal to superd's to overthrow the popular vote. The superd's say they won't overthrow.

Anybody found somebody who shows in numerical detail how Hillary could possibly win?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/119010

[Clandestino]

CNN said that if Hillary won all remaining primaries by a 65/35 vote she still loses.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Hillary's gameplan is to last until the convention and then make it a brokered convention where she can get delegates behind closed doors and cut deals with them
The Clinton's are quite good at this type of knife fight.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, this is a mess. Hillary was smart to keep her name on the ballots. I'm not going to take the time to look it up right now, but to my knowledge, the democratic party decision was unconstitutional.

Don't the states get to choose the manner in which they choose their electors?

In my opinion, it shows the arrogance of the demoncrap party. They think they can disregard the constitution whenever they want.

[Yonivore]

Well, this is a mess. Hillary was smart to keep her name on the ballots. I'm not going to take the time to look it up right now, but to my knowledge, the democratic party decision was unconstitutional.

Don't the states get to choose the manner in which they choose their electors?

In my opinion, it shows the arrogance of the demoncrap party. They think they can disregard the constitution whenever they want.
Once again, primaries aren't the general election and no one is choosing electors; they're choosing nominating delegates for their own partys' conventions.

They can do that however they please. And, I say let the Democrats rip themselves apart over this issue. It's entertaining and healthy for the nation.

Any Democrat who couldn’t see this train-wreck coming, wasn’t watching...or listening..or smelling.

Our moral and intellectual superiors at the DNC decided in a fit of hubris to strip Michigan and Florida of their rights to hold a presidential primary whenever their legislatures felt like it.

To protect Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina – as well as to throw a bone to Harry Reid’s state of Nevada, the Democratic Party decided to strip of its delegates any of the other states that dared to have a primary in January.

Michigan and Florida flipped the DNC off.

The DNC made good its threat.

Now the DNC is crawling back to have the voters of Michigan and Florida bail the DNC out of this mess it made of its own nominating process.

Good gosh, Dr. Howard Dean is saying, we cannot have the presidential nominating convention, gulp, actually nominate a president.

Well, Dean is not really crawling. He’s still pretending to be right, according to AP (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080306/D8V805P00.html).


The two state parties will have to find the funds to pay for new contests without help from the national party, Dean said.

“We can’t afford to do that. That’s not our problem. We need our money to win the presidential race,” he said.
Good luck winning that race when the party is divided in August.

Dr. Dean sure made a mess of this. The DNC had a Woody Hayes moment when it voted to tell the voters: “Go to hell, Michigan.”

The Ohio State coach had a reason to hate Michigan.

But the Democrats?

All Michigan wanted to do was hold its presidential primary on Jan. 15 while such things are relevant. But the party bureaucrats had it in their head that no one can hold a primary before Groundhog’s Day — except Iowa (a caucus), New Hampshire and South Carolina.

With 9 million people, Michigan has more people than those 3 states combined.

For once, I'd like to see the Republicans capitalize on a DNC idiocy. They should welcome these stripped delegates into their convention.

[DarkReign]

In case no one has noticed, Michigan is flat broke.

So unless the DNC pays for the re-ballot, or the $$ comes from some other source, this isnt happening (at least in Michigan).

[JoeChalupa]

My gut tells me Hillary is going to end up winning the nomination. She has the experience to get her way and Obama has stumbled and is going negative which is not his style and it will back fire.

But.....BARACK ON!!!!

[TheProfessor]

My gut tells me Hillary is going to end up winning the nomination. She has the experience to get her way and Obama has stumbled and is going negative which is not his style and it will back fire.

But.....BARACK ON!!!!
That truly would be an unbelievable comeback. But I don't think it's happening, unless it's accompanied by a Democrat Civil War.

[JoeChalupa]

That truly would be an unbelievable comeback. But I don't think it's happening, unless it's accompanied by a Democrat Civil War.

Considering many, including the entire Clinton Campaign team, thought she had it in the bag, I really don't consider it a comeback.

[spurster]

I think Florida is broke, too, but the states wouldn't have to pay for caucuses.

Actually, it was very clear when MI and FL voted that the delegates would not be based on the votes. Everyone who was paying attention knew that. Part of what that means is that the results are suspect because many people stayed home because they did not think their vote would count.

[JoeChalupa]

And Hillary agreed since she never in her wildest dreams thought she'd ever need MI or FL delegates. Too bad.

[Yonivore]

:lmao Sorry, just :lmao

[Holt's Cat]

That truly would be an unbelievable comeback. But I don't think it's happening, unless it's accompanied by a Democrat Civil War.


Yeah, I don't see a way for her to win without alienating half of the party. Even if Obama opts to be the good soldier (which I have no doubt he would do) and accept it for the 'good of the party' I think a lot of his supporters would find themselves unable to support her in the general election.

[JoeChalupa]

I concur.

[Wild Cobra]

Once again, primaries aren't the general election and no one is choosing electors; they're choosing nominating delegates for their own partys' conventions.

They can do that however they please. And, I say let the Democrats rip themselves apart over this issue. It's entertaining and healthy for the nation.

[QUOTE=Yonivore]
Any Democrat who couldn’t see this train-wreck coming, wasn’t watching...or listening..or smelling.

I love to see the possibilities myself. This is an eye-opener regarding the party that the mainstream voter has a hard time missing if it unfolds.



Our moral and intellectual superiors at the DNC decided in a fit of hubris to strip Michigan and Florida of their rights to hold a presidential primary whenever their legislatures felt like it.

Like I said, shows their disregard for the constitution, at least in spirit.

Yes, it only addresses the actual election, but since the primaries are a sub-process, I could see a court ruling in favor of the states over the DNC.



To protect Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina – as well as to throw a bone to Harry Reid’s state of Nevada, the Democratic Party decided to strip of its delegates any of the other states that dared to have a primary in January.

Michigan and Florida flipped the DNC off.

The DNC made good its threat.

For me, it's like seeing two gangs go to war. The best outcome is they neither side wins, and that they kill each other.



Now the DNC is crawling back to have the voters of Michigan and Florida bail the DNC out of this mess it made of its own nominating process.

Good gosh, Dr. Howard Dean is saying, we cannot have the presidential nominating convention, gulp, actually nominate a president.

If I were ruling on such a case with what I believe are the facts, I would say the states rights were suppressed, the only fair way is to have a new vote, and the DNC must pay for it.

[Nbadan]

In case no one has noticed, Michigan is flat broke.

So unless the DNC pays for the re-ballot, or the $$ comes from some other source, this isnt happening (at least in Michigan).


Looks like Florida has given up on a re-vote for much the same reason...

Primary do-over by mail is unlikely
An idea done in by time, cost, and complex political calculations on all sides
By Jeremy Wallace H-T POLITICAL WRITER


Plans for a mail-only redo of the Democratic primary in Florida are mostly dead, a key advocate of the idea said Friday.

While there is a growing push for Florida Democrats to hold a new election between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton,, there is no funding for the idea and even if there were, there would not be enough time to pull it off.

"I think it's pretty much dead," said Rep. Keith Fitzgerald, D-Sarasota, who has been one of the Legislature's biggest proponents of holding elections via mail.

Herald Tribune (http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080308/NEWS/803080384/1146)

Don't look for DNC money to bail Michigan or Florida, especially Florida...

[Holt's Cat]

How much do caucuses cost to pull off?

[ChumpDumper]

How much do caucuses cost to pull off?$2-4 million in Michigan, apparently.

http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/16366871.html

[Holt's Cat]

One would think someone could find that change.

[boutons_]

Hillary's tactic is to get primaries in MI and FL, planning to win goose up her popular vote totals, so she can plead with superdelegates to vote for her popularity rather than with Obama's superior pledged delegates.

For the cost, the DNC is broke, the RNC is wealthy.

Caucuses are cheaper than primaries, no?

[Heath Ledger]

I once got my caucus stuck in the regrigerator. Don't ask..

[possessed]

I once got my caucus stuck in the regrigerator. Don't ask..
William Perry?