Hall Traded

[macdude06]

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that the Falcons have agreed to send DeAngelo Hall to Oakland for the Raiders' 2008 second-round pick.

The Raiders must first finalize a contract with Hall that will pay him just below what Asante Samuel singed with the Eagles. This one might fall under the category of "be careful what you wish for." If Hall wasn't happy playing for the Falcons organization, welcome to Crazy Al's Raiders.



good luck with that..

i think oakland will have a top defense..but still gotta work on that O

[LocosPorJuana]

Oakland is like the purgatory for the NFL. In any case, they have invested heavily on their defensive backfield. Who knows... they might turn it around someday.....

[Herschel Walker]

2nd rounder? Wow, Atlanta really wanted him gone.

[macdude06]

Falcons CB DeAngelo Hall refuted an ESPN report that he will be traded to the Raiders.

"Somebody's throwing something out there," Hall told the Atlanta Journal Constitution on Saturday afternoon. Neither Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff nor Hall's agent have returned phone calls

[possessed]

Falcons CB DeAngelo Hall refuted an ESPN report that he will be traded to the Raiders.

"Somebody's throwing something out there," Hall told the Atlanta Journal Constitution on Saturday afternoon. Neither Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff nor Hall's agent have returned phone calls
That quote from Hall was actually taken from the NFL Combine... Last Month.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/raiders/

[Vinnie_Johnson]

2nd rounder? Wow, Atlanta really wanted him gone.

Hall is not worth a second he is just an ok CB any good WR will roast him like TO did.

[monosylab1k]

Hall is not worth a second he is just an ok CB any good WR will roast him like TO did.
Hall is an excellent corner, but he can't always handle physical receivers like TO. And tell me, how many corners out there DON'T get roasted by Owens? Hall is a very good corner, bottom line, but he's definitely not a shutdown guy.

This is a really good pickup for the Raiders talent-wise, but this also makes the most dysfunctional team in the NFL a lot more dysfunctional. I'm going to go ahead and predict a knife fight will occur in the Raiders locker room before the next season is over.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Hall is an excellent corner, but he always can't handle physical receivers like TO. And tell me, how many corners out there DON'T get roasted by Owens? Hall is a very good corner, bottom line.

This is a really good pickup for the Raiders talent-wise, but this also makes the most dysfunctional team in the NFL a lot more dysfunctional. I'm going to go ahead and predict a knife fight will occur in the Raiders locker room before the next season is over.

:lol

He is pretty good not a top ten corner no freaking way.

[djohn14]

I'd trade a second for him. With him and Michael Huff and Kirk Morrison, I like their D. Maybe that O with JaMarcus Russell (thats a big maybe) RB (Dominic Rhodes, MIchael Bush, Justin Fargas), and a WR corps that COULD be good (Javon Walker, Joey Porter, Ronald Curry, Johnny Lee Higgans) and that young TE (Zach Miller) can step it up.

[possessed]

Hall is an excellent corner, but he can't always handle physical receivers like TO. And tell me, how many corners out there DON'T get roasted by Owens? Hall is a very good corner, bottom line, but he's definitely not a shutdown guy.

This is a really good pickup for the Raiders talent-wise, but this also makes the most dysfunctional team in the NFL a lot more dysfunctional. I'm going to go ahead and predict a knife fight will occur in the Raiders locker room before the next season is over.
Nnamdi Asomugha, who is a shutdown corner, will cover teams number 1, Hall will actually be covering number 2. Huff shutdown tight ends last year, plus they added Gibril Wilson.

Not a shabby secondary.

[monosylab1k]

Nnamdi Asomugha, who is a shutdown corner, will cover teams number 1, Hall will actually be covering number 2. Huff shutdown tight ends last year, plus they added Gibril Wilson.

Not a shabby secondary.
That whole defense is stout. If they can get anything out of their offense, they'll be a competitive team.

[Evan]

That will be a nasty defense to play against if they could find chemistry.

It really is a shame…such a storied franchise. The NFL is a better place when such a franchise has it together.

[MajorMike]

What makes me mad is I STILL think Art was the right guy, Moss just ruined the team under him.

[Evan]

What makes me mad is I STILL think Art was the right guy, Moss just ruined the team under him.

They are a lot like the Texas Rangers…everyone in charge needs to be fired get new owners and start over.

[MajorMike]

I'm not trying to be morbid or evil, but it is time for the owner to pass on - one way or another.

[Evan]

I'm not trying to be morbid or evil, but it is time for the owner to pass on - one way or another.

No doubt you're right.

I am sure many in the NFL would agree with you. I bet when he speaks in owner meetings everyone just politely waits for him to stop talking so they can get things done.

[macdude06]

That whole defense is stout. If they can get anything out of their offense, they'll be a competitive team.


They still have one of the worst run defenses...and losing sapp doesnt help that

[Evan]

They still have one of the worst run defenses...and losing sapp doesnt help that

losing Sapp will help that if anything!!!

[monosylab1k]

What makes me mad is I STILL think Art was the right guy, Moss just ruined the team under him.
Maybe instead of blaming Moss, you can blame the coach who decided to hire an offensive coordinator who had spent the past decade running a Bed N Breakfast.

And Jerry Porter was the one causing problems that year, not Randy Moss.

[monosylab1k]

I read that if they give Hall the contract he's looking for, it might mean they have to remove the franchise tag off of Asomugha and let him be a free agent just cuz they can't afford him.

If that happens, bad move. Hall is a downgrade from Asomugha. But they might be able to keep both.

[Evan]

lol...so many people must be baffled by the title udner your name monosylab1k ...hahahaha

[DBryant88]

monosylab1k your crazy, hall is a huge upgrade for Asomugha but they should still keep the tag on him

[Evan]

2. I think if the Raiders pay DeAngelo Hall in the range of $9 million a year, they will officially be Daniel Snyder West. Ask opponents if Hall is a premier corner. I did over the weekend, promising anonymity. Got this text from an offensive coach on an NFC South staff: "Avg w flash & big play ability. Don't know how good he wants to be. Classic Oakland. Does have ability tho.'' One defensive assistant told me: "He's above average, but he sees himself as elite. This leads to problems.''

At least Asante Samuel was a major contributor to a three-time Super Bowl team before he got his payday. Hall's not as consistent, and a streaky corner can be a dangerous corner. If the Raiders pay Hall in the Samuel-Nate Clements league, I will have no idea why, other than they'd be paying star money to an immature kid for potential.

[macdude06]

I read that if they give Hall the contract he's looking for, it might mean they have to remove the franchise tag off of Asomugha and let him be a free agent just cuz they can't afford him.

If that happens, bad move. Hall is a downgrade from Asomugha. But they might be able to keep both.


that would be my dream to happen..seeing him on the other side of newman..but we would need to clear alot of cap space..or do some restructuring..but im just dreaming :blah

[BIG z]

They are out of there minds, paying no name people, paying Injury prone and dumbasses alot of money, yeah that really smart, to be honest i had never even heard about Tommy Kelly untill that huge ass contract..

[stretch]

monosylab1k your crazy, hall is a huge upgrade for Asomugha but they should still keep the tag on him
huh?

i hope you didn't mean to say an upgrade OVER Asomugha, because that would be simply retarded. Asomugha is one of 3 true "shutdown" corners in the league (Bailey, Asomugha, Newman).

[stretch]

And Jerry Porter was the one causing problems that year, not Randy Moss.
Neither of them were really causing problems. The media just overblew that one time when the cameras saw Porter laughing on the sideline shortly after Aaron Brooks was sacked, and it was completely blown out of proportion. The problem was the coaching. It has always been coaching, not talent or players, ever since Jon Gruden left.

[MajorMike]

Maybe instead of blaming Moss, you can blame the coach who decided to hire an offensive coordinator who had spent the past decade running a Bed N Breakfast.

And Jerry Porter was the one causing problems that year, not Randy Moss.

Well, first of all we know how smart you are about football stuff and how blindly you support members of your 18-1 squad and never get made fun of for being a complete idiot, however its obvious you know nothing of THIS situation. Ask Chris Meyers who did a weekly segment with Moss in Oakland how sold he was on Oakland, publically saying how the coaches were idiots and how his team mates sucked and whatnot. Whereas it might be true, I don't think you can't say that going public like that weekly, airing your team's dirty laundry, is not causing problems.

But then, you prolly didn't know that before you showed your ass, did you?

[stretch]

Well, first of all we know how smart you are about football stuff and how blindly you support members of your 18-1 squad and never get made fun of for being a complete idiot, however its obvious you know nothing of THIS situation. Ask Chris Meyers who did a weekly segment with Moss in Oakland how sold he was on Oakland, publically saying how the coaches were idiots and how his team mates sucked and whatnot. Whereas it might be true, I don't think you can't say that going public like that weekly, airing your team's dirty laundry, is not causing problems.

But then, you prolly didn't know that before you showed your ass, did you?
At that point, just about everyone on the team was frustrated and talking about how idiotic the coaches were and such. Because it was true. If they had a better coach, then none of this would have ever happened. Like I said earlier... after Jon Gruden left, the team never had a good coach that was respectable, and respectful to the players as well. They never had a coach that really kept the team disciplined. Let's see what happens here in the near future...

[monosylab1k]

Well, first of all we know how smart you are about football stuff and how blindly you support members of your 18-1 squad and never get made fun of for being a complete idiot, however its obvious you know nothing of THIS situation. Ask Chris Meyers who did a weekly segment with Moss in Oakland how sold he was on Oakland, publically saying how the coaches were idiots and how his team mates sucked and whatnot. Whereas it might be true, I don't think you can't say that going public like that weekly, airing your team's dirty laundry, is not causing problems.

But then, you prolly didn't know that before you showed your ass, did you?
Ummmm Moss was right. The coaches were idiots. Art Shell let the team run wild and he hired an offensive coordinator who had been out of football and RUNNING A BED & BREAKFAST FOR THE PAST FUCKING DECADE.

Tom Brady has publicly criticized Belichick and management before, is he a bad teammate? Is he a guy that is considered a problem for his team?

So fuck off Okie boy, you can listen to sound bytes, that's great. Get back to me when you figure out that there's this little thing called "the big picture". You do know their offensive coordinator that year spent the past decade running a Bed & Breakfast, right? Or are you just going to admit that you're the one who's the ignorant fuck here.

[GaryJohnston]

Tom Brady has publicly criticized Belichick and management before, is he a bad teammate? Is he a guy that is considered a problem for his team?

I like the way you equate Moss's statements when he was with the Raiders, to that of Brady, who threw a little hissy fit when the Pats traded Branch. :lol

Give me a break, don't compare the two, you are just making yourself look stupid. What Moss did was far worse.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Seven years, $70 million? I'm sure there are elevators he won't hit but that's still a helluva lot of jack for a guy with baggage who isn't as good as he thinks he is.

[Evan]

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/7926538_18_1.jpg

[GaryJohnston]

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/7926538_18_1.jpg

What kind of drugs is this man on? Or is he just senile?

[monosylab1k]

I like the way you equate Moss's statements when he was with the Raiders, to that of Brady, who threw a little hissy fit when the Pats traded Branch. :lol
Um, Brady's criticized them more than just that one time. Like when they cut Lawyer Milloy, certain calls made in certain games, and so on.

Tom Brady is critical of probably the best coach & front office in the NFL. Randy Moss was critical of arguably the worst. There's no comparison?

Randy Moss was criticizing a coach stupid enough to hire an offensive coordinator who was completely out of football and RUNNING A BED & BREAKFAST FOR THE PAST DECADE, alright? He'd be stupid to fall in line what that pathetic excuse of a coach.

[GaryJohnston]

Um, Brady's criticized them more than just that one time. Like when they cut Lawyer Milloy, certain calls made in certain games, and so on.

Tom Brady is critical of probably the best coach & front office in the NFL. Randy Moss was critical of arguably the worst. There's no comparison?

Randy Moss was criticizing a coach stupid enough to hire an offensive coordinator who was completely out of football and RUNNING A BED & BREAKFAST FOR THE PAST DECADE, alright? He'd be stupid to fall in line what that pathetic excuse of a coach.

:lmao

You are still comparing the two! Thats comedy.

[kskonn]

Nnamdi Asomugha, who is a shutdown corner, will cover teams number 1, Hall will actually be covering number 2. Huff shutdown tight ends last year, plus they added Gibril Wilson.

Not a shabby secondary.


to me that is the problem. If I am correct Nnamdi has the Franchise tag on him this year, in order for the raiders to extend him out further I am sure he will be looking for a 7 year, 85 million dollar deal. He is younger and Better than hall. If the raiders don't step up he will play this year for 10 mil and get his money in free agency next year, thus leaving the raiders with just hall. This is typical of the raiders, sign big name free agents and push the envelope to much with their own players and lose them to other teams. reminds me a lot of the Charles Woodson situations.

[Evan]

in the end...

the Raiders will be in a huge contract mess in 3 years. All of these crazy signings are ones that teams close to a superbowl make. Not ones who are very far away.

[possessed]

to me that is the problem. If I am correct Nnamdi has the Franchise tag on him this year, in order for the raiders to extend him out further I am sure he will be looking for a 7 year, 85 million dollar deal. He is younger and Better than hall. If the raiders don't step up he will play this year for 10 mil and get his money in free agency next year, thus leaving the raiders with just hall. This is typical of the raiders, sign big name free agents and push the envelope to much with their own players and lose them to other teams. reminds me a lot of the Charles Woodson situations.
My understanding is Nnamdi is working on getting a long term deal ironed out. He's no fool, he's waiting until Hall gets his deal, then he'll ask for more.

[kskonn]

My understanding is Nnamdi is working on getting a long term deal ironed out. He's no fool, he's waiting until Hall gets his deal, then he'll ask for more.


I agree, but knowing the raiders they will not offer him enough and he will end up being a free agent next year and they will lose him to another team.

[MajorMike]

Ummmm Moss was right. The coaches were idiots. Art Shell let the team run wild and he hired an offensive coordinator who had been out of football and RUNNING A BED & BREAKFAST FOR THE PAST FUCKING DECADE.

Tom Brady has publicly criticized Belichick and management before, is he a bad teammate? Is he a guy that is considered a problem for his team?

So fuck off Okie boy, you can listen to sound bytes, that's great. Get back to me when you figure out that there's this little thing called "the big picture". You do know their offensive coordinator that year spent the past decade running a Bed & Breakfast, right? Or are you just going to admit that you're the one who's the ignorant fuck here.


Again, Mr. clueless... you are saying that going public and creating animosity and airing dirty laundry would not create further problems on a team.

Nice flame try, I guess when you don't have a leg to stand on you make personal attacks... very classy.

[monosylab1k]

Again, Mr. clueless... you are saying that going public and creating animosity and airing dirty laundry would not create further problems on a team.
find me evidence that anything Moss said created animosity. any evidence at all. besides what the Bed & Breakfast owner said about him.

[Evan]

By Jim Trotter, SI.com

The Raiders continued to run into roadblocks in their quest to finalize a trade for Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

It was thought that when Hall arrived in Oakland on Wednesday it would be to sign a contract that would make him the league's highest-paid cornerback and clear the way for him to be sent to the Raiders for second- and sixth-round draft choices.

But after spending 4½ hours with owner Al Davis, Hall emerged Wednesday night without an agreement. And if a deal is not consummated Thursday, it's possible the Raiders might end the talks and move on, a club source said Wednesday night.

Hall has expressed a desire to join the Raiders during his talks with many of the team's core players. But his representatives and the team are said to be at odds over the structure of the contract.

Hall, who would team with Nnamdi Asomugha in Oakland to form one of the league's top cornerback tandems, has one year remaining on his rookie contract and it's highly unlikely any team would trade for him without first coming to terms on a new multiyear contract.

Hall remained in Oakland overnight and is scheduled to talk with club officials again Thursday.

[MajorMike]

Funny, all I had to do to find some good stuff was google "Randy Moss" "Raiders" and "animosity"



BRING BACK THAT LOVING FEELIN'...OH THAT LOVIN' FEELING ~ While chatting with Fox Sports' Chris Meyers about the current state of affairs in the Raider Nation, Randy Moss had this to say: "I'm doing good, man. I'm not even that too concerned with football right now. I'm just loving life." Meyers forced the issue with Moss given his lackadaisical attitude and wondered if an apparent lack of interest in the team was common amongst the Raiders. "I don't really want to single players out. I mean, I don't really know what the feeling is", Moss said. "But I know the feeling is bad, so that's saying no one cares about what's going on around here. I've said a few things. I've done most of the things I can do, and my thing is, if it's going to be relaxed, if I'm relaxed, then I guess that's what it is."


Moss also comes to New England with the warning that, as Bill Parcells used to say, the light is yellow and ready to turn red. The Patriots have notified Moss that under no circumstance will they tolerate any of the transgressions that have marked his career. The first controversial incident that Moss is involved in will be his last. The Patriots insist they will release him.


Randy Moss. Not for what he's doing this year, but for what he did when he was with the Raiders and towards the end of his time with the Vikings


Maybe those Randy Moss warnings were true. Maybe he is a me-first, fragile troublemaker.


Oakland Raiders receiver Randy Moss admits he has used marijuana since entering the NFL seven years ago and still smokes it “every blue moon.”


Randy Moss quit on the Raiders under the Art Shell regime


Randy Moss blamed the tirade on his coaches

Sounds like a REAL upstanding guy to me.

[monosylab1k]

Funny, all I had to do to find some good stuff was google "Randy Moss" "Raiders" and "animosity"
















Sounds like a REAL upstanding guy to me.

nothing in there says anything about him creating animosity. you lose again.

[MajorMike]

Lol, you are right. There is never fire where there is smoke.

Show me one example that he did NOT create animosity.

Please, say bed and breakfast again. Do you have a cut/paste of that in caps; its pretty cool. If you want, I can print it out and frame it for you.

Or better yet, maybe I will secretly make a video of it.

[monosylab1k]

Show me one example that he did NOT create animosity.
the complete dearth of quotes from the Raiders claiming he did.

Thanks for playing.

[MajorMike]

You have that on video? Or did it get destroyed to hide the evidence?

[monosylab1k]

You have that on video? Or did it get destroyed to hide the evidence?
Here's a list of everybody from the Raiders who are on record that Randy Moss created animosity within the team.


...

feel free to add whatever you possibly can to that list, since you're the one making the claim.

Thanks.

[Evan]

:corn:

[MajorMike]

Here's a list of everybody from the Raiders who are on record that Randy Moss was a model team member and not a cancer.


...

feel free to add whatever you possibly can to that list, since you're the one making the claim.

Thanks.

[monosylab1k]

Here's a list of everybody from the Raiders who are on record that Randy Moss was a model team member and not a cancer.



feel free to add whatever you possibly can to that list, since you're the one making the claim.

Thanks.
Find once where I said he was a model team member on the Raiders. I never made that claim. I said that nobody on the Raiders ever said that he created animosity on the team, as YOU claimed.

And you have done nothing to refute that.

You fail again. Good lord this is like shooting fish in a barrel. I can't even own peewee's lovechild this easily.

[MajorMike]

Shooting fish in a barrel? Like the Giants D line was?

[monosylab1k]

Shooting fish in a barrel? Like the Giants D line was?
Thanks for avoiding the subject at hand and resorting to weak sauce like that. It's good to know that you acknowledge you've been owned like a bitch.

[possessed]

http://www.raiders.com/uploadedImages/Newsroom/Articles/032008hall.jpg

[MajorMike]

Thanks for avoiding the subject at hand and resorting to weak sauce like that. It's good to know that you acknowledge you've been owned like a bitch.


The only bitch here is you they way you keep crying and spinning. Everytime I read one of your threads I get this image of of a little snotty 12-year old girl all pissy screaming, "Nuh-uh!"

The total complete funniest thing about this whole deal is the way you protect Moss like you are shining his pole every night as if he were a bright shining pillar in the community.

You know Randy Moss:
- Signed letter of intent with ND but was subsequently revoked his scholarship after pleading guilty to battery, and received probation along with a 30-day suspended jail sentence for taking part in a racially-charged fight at his high school that left one person hospitalized.
- After transferring to Florida State, while serving his 30-day jail sentence in a work-release program from 1995, Moss tested positive for smoking marijuana, thus violating his probation, and was let go by Florida State.
- He served an additional 60 days in jail for the probation violation.
- Was fined $40,000, which was later reduced to $25,000 due to squirting an NFL referee with a water bottle.
- In 1997 Claimed the Marshall plane crash, "was a tragedy, but it really wasn't nothing big."
- On September 24, 2002 in downtown Minneapolis, Minnesota, Moss was driving and was preparing to make an illegal turn. A traffic control officer, noticing what he was about to do, stood in front of his car, ordering him to stop. Moss did not comply with the officer's order, and she was bumped by his vehicle and fell to the ground. Moss was arrested, and a search of his vehicle revealed a small amount of marijuana. Moss pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation and was ordered to pay a $1,200 fine and perform 40 hours of community service after reaching a plea deal.
- During the last game of the 2004 regular season against the Washington Redskins and with two seconds remaining on the game clock, Moss walked off the field and into the locker room.
- On January 9, 2005 Moss trotted to the end zone goalpost after catching a TD in GB in a playoff game; facing away from the crowd, he feigned pulling down his pants, and pretended to moon the Green Bay fans. NFL fined him $10,000, finding it "unsportsmanlike" and "offensive" during the playoffs.
- In August 2005, during an interview with Bryant Gumbel, Moss admitted that he has smoked marijuana during his NFL career "every blue moon."
- On November 14, 2006 Moss responded to questions about his dropped passes and lackluster effort in several games, saying "Maybe because I'm unhappy and I'm not too much excited about what's going on, so, my concentration and focus level tend to go down sometimes when I'm in a bad mood." Moss made similar comments during his tenure with the Vikings, when he infamously proclaimed, "I play when I want to play."

Real upstanding fellow.

The reason you won't find any quotes against him by his team mates is because they are more professional than him.

[Evan]

Not to take sides…

It's pretty hard to find a team mate trash talking another player. Last time it happened with high profile players in the NFL was the great TO and McNabb drama.

That's my input..carry on...

[monosylab1k]

The only bitch here is you they way you keep crying and spinning. Everytime I read one of your threads I get this image of of a little snotty 12-year old girl all pissy screaming, "Nuh-uh!"

The total complete funniest thing about this whole deal is the way you protect Moss like you are shining his pole every night as if he were a bright shining pillar in the community.

You know Randy Moss:
- Signed letter of intent with ND but was subsequently revoked his scholarship after pleading guilty to battery, and received probation along with a 30-day suspended jail sentence for taking part in a racially-charged fight at his high school that left one person hospitalized.
- After transferring to Florida State, while serving his 30-day jail sentence in a work-release program from 1995, Moss tested positive for smoking marijuana, thus violating his probation, and was let go by Florida State.
- He served an additional 60 days in jail for the probation violation.
- Was fined $40,000, which was later reduced to $25,000 due to squirting an NFL referee with a water bottle.
- In 1997 Claimed the Marshall plane crash, "was a tragedy, but it really wasn't nothing big."
- On September 24, 2002 in downtown Minneapolis, Minnesota, Moss was driving and was preparing to make an illegal turn. A traffic control officer, noticing what he was about to do, stood in front of his car, ordering him to stop. Moss did not comply with the officer's order, and she was bumped by his vehicle and fell to the ground. Moss was arrested, and a search of his vehicle revealed a small amount of marijuana. Moss pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor traffic violation and was ordered to pay a $1,200 fine and perform 40 hours of community service after reaching a plea deal.
- During the last game of the 2004 regular season against the Washington Redskins and with two seconds remaining on the game clock, Moss walked off the field and into the locker room.
- On January 9, 2005 Moss trotted to the end zone goalpost after catching a TD in GB in a playoff game; facing away from the crowd, he feigned pulling down his pants, and pretended to moon the Green Bay fans. NFL fined him $10,000, finding it "unsportsmanlike" and "offensive" during the playoffs.
- In August 2005, during an interview with Bryant Gumbel, Moss admitted that he has smoked marijuana during his NFL career "every blue moon."
- On November 14, 2006 Moss responded to questions about his dropped passes and lackluster effort in several games, saying "Maybe because I'm unhappy and I'm not too much excited about what's going on, so, my concentration and focus level tend to go down sometimes when I'm in a bad mood." Moss made similar comments during his tenure with the Vikings, when he infamously proclaimed, "I play when I want to play."

Real upstanding fellow.

The reason you won't find any quotes against him by his team mates is because they are more professional than him.
I never said he was a model citizen or a great teammate. I just said the problem with the Raiders was the coaches.

Great research by the way. Not everyone is as skilled at copying Wikipedia and pasting it in message boards as their own. And in none of the preceding bullshit did I find ONE SINGLE PIECE OF LEGIT EVIDENCE that Randy Moss created animosity on the Raiders LIKE YOU CLAIMED.

You can't back up your claim, you lose, thanks for playing.

[monosylab1k]

It's pretty hard to find a team mate trash talking another player. Last time it happened with high profile players in the NFL was the great TO and McNabb drama.
That's not the point. The point is that Mr. Douchenozzle claimed that Randy Moss was the problem with the Raiders, and that there was evidence he created animosity within the team. He's done absolutely nothing to back up his claim. But I suppose that's too much to expect from an Okie State grad, the red headed stepchild of the Big 12.

[Evan]

That's not the point.

Yeah I was just making a generic comment.

Like I said, not taking sides. :toast

[MajorMike]

Actually that is the point. Unfortunately monobrainwavic can't see past the wart on his nose.

No wonders everyone in the NBA forum thinks you are an idiot.

[monosylab1k]

Actually that is the point.
Actually it isn't. You said Randy Moss created animosity and have zero proof of that. Not one shred of proof. Your argument is completely failed, your proof is nonexistent, your efforts to paint Randy Moss as the big bad team killer who ruined the Raiders are all for naught. Anybody with half a fucking brain understands that the Raiders were done in by the most epic lame duck coaching staff ever assembled. Everybody gets this except you.

You've gotten to the point where you completely avoid the subject at hand and resort to non-sequiturs that might take away the sting of your complete failure in this thread. But take heart, you root for Oklahoma State so you're used to failure.

[monosylab1k]

Here's a list of everybody from the Raiders who are on record that Randy Moss created animosity within the team.



feel free to add whatever you possibly can to that list, since you're the one making the claim.

Thanks.
I still see no change to the list. Incredible. He "ruins" a team and there isn't one person of note within the organization calling him out on it. What a team killer.

[LakerMagic]

I still see no change to the list. Incredible. He "ruins" a team and there isn't one person of note within the organization calling him out on it. What a team killer.

STFU homer. He was a fucking quitter.

[monosylab1k]

STFU homer. He was a fucking quitter.
That's not the argument dumbass.

[LakerMagic]

That's not the argument dumbass.

It goes hand in hand with being a cancer. Im sure if Moss had signed with another team you'd be bashing the shit out of him. Thats they type of fan you strike me as.

[MajorMike]

It goes hand in hand with being a cancer. Im sure if Moss had signed with another team you'd be bashing the shit out of him. Thats they type of fan you strike me as.

DING DING DING; we have a winner.

[TheSanityAnnex]

He was a fucking quitter.Moss pulled a big time bitch move by quitting on his team and to say his actions didn't have an effect on his team is idiotic.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Thats they type of fan you strike me as.Would it surprise you that he only claimed the Patriots once the Moss trade talks started? Or was it once they caught cheating?

[florige]

Oakland just gave that guy 70 million dollars!!??? WTF!!!!!!!!!! :wtf

[LakerMagic]

Would it surprise you that he only claimed the Patriots once the Moss trade talks started? Or was it once they caught cheating?

So he jumped on the Patriots bandwagon? Thats great. :lol

[monosylab1k]

Would it surprise you that he only claimed the Patriots once the Moss trade talks started?
It would surprise the hell out of me because I wasn't even posting in the NFL Forum back then. Your revisionist history is fucking hilarious. Pull some more bullshit out of your ass while you're at it.

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I'm a Raider fan, and I even disagree that he created animosity or anything on the team. I felt that he really wanted to be able to succeed with this team, but the FO and coaching was so freaking horrible that he knew there was no chance of getting anywhere anytime soon with this team, and that his career isn't going to last a whole heck of a lot longer. I really wish we could have kept him, as him and Jamarcus Russell could have been a nice combo, but oh well.

BTW - his trade in itself proves how fucking stupid and horrible this FO and coaching staff has been.