Turkoglu, Beno, Scola, Ely, Barbosa, Bell

[SequSpur]

Nice job managing the team Pop. :rolleyes

Does he know how to develop anyone outside of Tim Duncan?

:pctoss

[duncan228]

Does he know how to develop anyone outside of Tim Duncan?

He did an unreal job there though, you've got to hand it to him. :p:

Wake up cranky again Sequ? :)

[T Park]

You said Hedo Beno Ely sucked.


BTW genius he voted to keep Raja Bell, Buford wanted Dial.


Keep up the trolling though

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

There was this Tony Parker guy who came out pretty good...

[ClingingMars]

scola was the worst mistake.

all the others, meh. oh well.

-Mars

[Phenomanul]

Don't forget Haslem or Josh Howard...
:dramaquee

[Ronaldo McDonald]

what about stephen jackson? forgot him.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

scola was the worst mistake.

all the others, meh. oh well.

-Mars

scola is better than turk?

man, in my mind, letting turk go was the biggest mistake. They let him go way to fast.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

I'm also not sold on beno. I haven't seen him play lately or anything, but i doubt that he has improved his game that much. He's the same player he was in SA, it's just that now he's playing with confidence, he's getting a lot of minutes, and he has the starting pg position in SAC locked so he has nothing to worry about.

The problem with him is on good team, he IS NOT a starting pg. He's a back-up. And he will never be good as a back up. That we have already learned. He is horrible when he's not getting a lot of minutes and when he doesn't have job security. Basically, he sucks when there is pressure on him to perform well in a limited amount of time.

[ClingingMars]

scola is better than turk?

man, in my mind, letting turk go was the biggest mistake. They let him go way to fast.

turk is good, but I think scola will turn out to be a better player

-Mars

[Ronaldo McDonald]

You could be right.

[Mr. Body]

There was this Tony Parker guy who came out pretty good...

Since then?

[vander]

Nice job managing the team Pop. :rolleyes

Does he know how to develop anyone outside of Tim Duncan?

:pctoss


people don't want to hear it, but if we hadn't lucked out with the ping pong balls in 97, Pop and RC begin to look VERY Average

in fact, if it not for Duncan, we might not even remember those two anymore at this point in time

[wildbill2u]

I've always defended Pop and FO but forget about those players who went on to play well elsewhere for a minute.

We need to make a list of those who were brought in and didn't/couldn't contribute here or anywhere else when they left here. Those were even worse mistakes.

Lets start with:

NVE.
Butler
???

[ChumpDumper]

What is the point of doing this every day?

[Creation88]

Pop and RC have done a great job but they did have their follys. most noteably Scola.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

people don't want to hear it, but if we hadn't lucked out with the ping pong balls in 97, Pop and RC begin to look VERY Average

in fact, if it not for Duncan, we might not even remember those two anymore at this point in time

:drunk

[WalterBenitez]

Nice job managing the team Pop. :rolleyes

Does he know how to develop anyone outside of Tim Duncan?

:pctoss

POP didn't developed Duncan, was Tim that developed POP!

[Holt's Cat]

Weak bitching. Don't forget Josh Howard and Andres Nocioni you midget.

[WalterBenitez]

Mistakes

Barbosa > Hedo > Scola ...

[hsxvvd]

Maybe this, Maybe that, but one things certain we've won four championships without all these guys at some point or another, and we're still in the hunt for another regardless of the moves 'mistakes' or not.

[Holt's Cat]

And Udonis Haslem, for that matter.

[ChumpDumper]

What is the point of doing this every day?

[sendman]

What is the point of doing this every day?
Reminding you how stupid you look?

[ChumpDumper]

Reminding you how stupid you look?I made none of these decisions.

[Harry Callahan]

Some of you people are borderline retarded. That is the only explanation. Keeping some of these players (Hedo, Jackson in particular) for big dollars would have resulted in the Spurs losing Parker or Ginobili (the only guys out of all of them to be actual all star players).

You sign Jackson or Hedo (Jackson's one year replacement) you don't have the flexibility to sign Parker and Ginobili in subsequent years. The Spurs do not have the resources to sign every person on their team to $30-$50MM contracts.

These same gripes come up over and over and I get tired of setting some of you dummies straight.

You'd think the Spurs have never won anything the way some of you guys act.

[ChumpDumper]

It happens every time the Spurs lose a game.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Pop can thank Duncan for carrying his ass in the HOF as well as making RC look like a genius



let's not forget the Spurs should have also landed Noc

[ChumpDumper]

So?

[WalterBenitez]

I assume this thread exists bc our losing streak!

[ChumpDumper]

I assume this thread exists bc our losing streak!
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[vander]

Some of you people are borderline retarded. That is the only explanation. Keeping some of these players (Hedo, Jackson in particular) for big dollars would have resulted in the Spurs losing Parker or Ginobili (the only guys out of all of them to be actual all star players).

You sign Jackson or Hedo (Jackson's one year replacement) you don't have the flexibility to sign Parker and Ginobili in subsequent years. The Spurs do not have the resources to sign every person on their team to $30-$50MM contracts.

These same gripes come up over and over and I get tired of setting some of you dummies straight.

You'd think the Spurs have never won anything the way some of you guys act.

:rollin

yeah, 4 titles = infallibility for RC and Pop, they can not and have not ever made a mistake

what was jackson's contract the year he left us? wouldn't have been able to re-sign Parker? Ginobili? are kidding me?

:rollin

[Harry Callahan]

:rollin

yeah, 4 titles = infallibility for RC and Pop, they can not and have not ever made a mistake

what was jackson's contract the year he left us? wouldn't have been able to re-sign Parker? Ginobili? are kidding me?

:rollin

I never said they were infallible or never made a mistake, but some people bitch and moan like the FO never did anything right which is not true.

Let me educate you again and get your facts straight.

Stephen Jackson was offered a 3 year / $10MM contract to stay with the Spurs in the summer of 2003. Keep in mind the Spurs were also pursuing Jason Kidd (Now there is a mistake that fortunately did not happen - are you happy now?) and had just signed Rasho Nesterovic to a 6 yr $42MM contract.

The Spurs were able to obtain Hedo and Ron Mercer for the Danny Ferry contract for that year (2003-2004). Stephen Jackson felt like he could go on a one year contract with the ATLANTA HAWKS. Remember that? He made a financial decision that he could get heavy minutes in Atlanta on a bad team and then go for another contract in 2004. It worked out because he signed a $36MM contract with Indiana in the summer of 2004.

Hedo left for Orlando in the summer of 2004 for a $35-40MM contract as well.

The Spurs had to sign Manu in the summer of 2004 as well because he had an initial 2 year deal. They did. For $52MM.

The summer of 2005 the Spurs had to sign Tony Parker. They did (at the last possible minute). For six years and $60MM. He has rewarded them with All Star level play pretty much ever since.

Signing Jackson and Hedo to long term deals would have meant likely letting Manu or Parker go in my opinion, because the Spurs simply could not afford a payroll with a bunch of eight figure salaries.

In 2003 the Spurs had a lot of roster changes (David Robinson retired too). Stephen Jackson was not the player he is now. Much more inconsistent and could turn the ball over in bunches. Ginobili was simply the better person to keep long term, which has been born out over the last few years winning another couple of NBA titles.

Players want long term security (ie big dollars over many years) and the Spurs did not have the financial ability to dole out huge contracts to every good player that passed through SA. It simply would and could not happen. If you think otherwise, you are simply not viewing the situation realistically.

I'm tired now. Class dismissed.

[SenorSpur]

Like any FO, the Spurs brass has had more than their share of successes. Unfortunately, they've had a few failures along with way too. Finding both Parker and Ginobili was genius. However, I do not believe they should keep getting a pass for because of it. Those finds were 6 or 7 years ago!

Just because a team wins a championship, it does not mean the roster of players was perfect. Nor does it give the FO an exemption from their obligation of improving the talent level, within their salary cap constraints. That said, I don't look back and think that any of those players mentioned at the top of this thread should have been retained by the FO.

Instead, I have more of an issue with Pop's annual insistence of depending upon a roster primarily comprised of older players. Players, whose skills have dminished such to the point their performance has become counter-productive. Pop's utter refusal to invest in 1 or 2 younger, cheaper, more athletic players for infusion on the current roster is difficult to fathom. Let's also remember that older players are typically more injury-prone also.

The Pistons found this out last season, when their "shallow bench" forced their starters to absorb an inordinate number of minutes throughout the season and into the playoffs. Joe Dumars remedied that situation by mandating the coaching staff work guys like Jason Maxiell, Amir Johnson and Rodney Stuckey into the rotation. Thus far, it's paid dividends for them as they now have a solid rotation and a good mix of young, energy players to help supplement the talent level of their perennial all-star caliber starters. It would have been prudent for Pop and RC to have followed suit. For example, once Beno was jettisoned (which Pop has admitted his handling of the player was a mistake), why not invest time and a roster spot in Darius Washington? Could he have hardly done any worse the Damon Stoudamire this season? Instead of another year of Michael Finley's one-trick pony routine, how much better fit would the acquisition of a guy like either James Jones, Rasuel Butler or Mikael Pietrus have been?

With the exception of KT and BB, it's clear that some of the older players on this roster, while significant contributors to the team's success, are now lifeless, tired and ineffective. This has partially led to terrible bench play, which, in turn, places a huge burden on the "big three" to perform at all-star levels each and every game. If this keeps up and unless the bench contributions turn around, the Spurs cannot be expected to repeat as NBA Champions.

[thousandth]

With the exception of KT and BB, it's clear that some of the older players on this roster, while significant contributors to the team's success, are now lifeless, tired and ineffective. This has partially led to terrible bench play, which, in turn, places a huge burden on the "big three" to perform at all-star levels each and every game. If this keeps up and unless the bench contributions turn around, the Spurs cannot be expected to repeat as NBA Champions.

I think KT isn't an exception. I expected more of KT. With him we lost 5 of 8 games. He adapted well but didn't dominate the boards and rebounds as we all expected.

[wildbill2u]

I think KT isn't an exception. I expected more of KT. With him we lost 5 of 8 games. He adapted well but didn't dominate the boards and rebounds as we all expected.
Why should Kurt Thomas have been expected to be anything more than a bench player with limited minutes unless we have an underachieving front line of bigs?

Kurt Thomas was traded because Phoenix didn't want or need him any more. He was, as they say, surplus to their needs. Then he was traded again to us. Now we are using him as a STARTER?

That means we are using two team's cast off as a starter because, although he's an old vet, he's presumably still better than anyone we already had. Doesn't say much for the Spurs, does it?

[Deimosfobos]

Beno and Ely suck, no mistake there... :toast

Turkoglu and Jackson are good, but we didn't have the money to keep them, no mistake there... :greedy

Barbosa and Bell, not sure, the fist one is a ballhog and i don't like his style or actitude, bell on the other hand, don't know enough to coment... probably no mistake there... :wtf

Scola, skilled and expericed player, room for improvement, would play great with Oberto/Duncan, proving to be as good as spected on Houston, we had the money for him, we gave him to a direct oponent for nothing... only mistake I'm 100% sure, and it was a BIG mistake... :bang

[SpurOutofTownFan]

LOL @ this thread... OMG!!!

When the spurs win the championship I'm gonna bump this one.

[SequSpur]

LOL @ this thread... OMG!!!

When the spurs win the championship I'm gonna bump this one.

:blah

[hsxvvd]

How many championships have any of these players won since leaving the Spurs?

[T Park]

how many of those players helped win a title, and is the reason why the team is now not going to win one?

[mavs>spurs2]

turk is good, but I think scola will turn out to be a better player

Dirk_is_my_daddy_Dirk_is_my_daddy_Dirk_is_my_daddy _Dirk_is_my_daddy_Dirk_is_my_daddy_

Scola sucks.

[honestfool84]

ginobili.
'nuff said.

[Fillmoe]

you forgot sjax

[Fillmoe]

ginobili.
'nuff said.


i made love to the girl in your sig

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

:lol

[G-Nob]

ginobili.
'nuff said.


I can understand that.

[DAF86]

Pop can thank Duncan for carrying his ass in the HOF as well as making RC look like a genius



let's not forget the Spurs should have also landed Noc

Why should the spurs have landed Nocioni? I never heard something 'bout that. What did i miss?

[TDMVPDPOY]

scola accepted what the rockets gave him? 3m a year?

spurs couldve given him that offer, but no, we went and resigned bonner to that amount = FAIL

[hsxvvd]

Does this mean we must retain every player who has ever contributed to a Spurs championship?

Hmm.... Jackie Butler? Eric Williams? James White? Tony Massenburg? Mike Wilks? Sean Marks? Linton Johnson? Malik Rose? Speedy Claxton? Mengke Bateer? Anthony Goldwire? Jaren Jackson? Antonio Daniels?

or must we somehow find a way to retain every player who we've ever drafted?

Leon Smith? Chris Carrawell? Robertas Javtokas? or Randy Holcomb (we drafted him just after Scola)?

Every team has a list of players who have passed through throughout the years, you can't keep them all and not all of them turn out to be stars, likewise not all of them turn out to be busts.

Pick a team? I bet you or I could find half a dozen players as good or better than the Turk/Beno/Rasho type that they've let go.

[ChumpDumper]

scola accepted what the rockets gave him? 3m a year?

spurs couldve given him that offer, but no, we went and resigned bonner to that amount = FAILHad to get rid of Butler too.

[rasho8]

NECRO BUMP FTL!!!

Stop Necro-ing Sequ's bitch threads.. thank you.

[ploto]

^Sorry to tell you but having Hedo or Jax would have simply meant no Brent Barry--not no Manu or Parker. Actually that is the exact choice the Spurs made that year-- to sign Brent instead of Jax and to let Hedo go.

[Brutalis]

Four rings.

[callo1]

Yeah after all, we ALL know how huge Hedo, Barbosa and Beno are in clutch playoff games. :rolleyes

[manufor3]

There was this Tony Parker guy who came out pretty good...
theres also a man named manu...

[ChumpDumper]

^Sorry to tell you but having Hedo or Jax would have simply meant no Brent Barry--not no Manu or Parker. Actually that is the exact choice the Spurs made that year-- to sign Brent instead of Jax and to let Hedo go.Sorry to tell you but no one had any idea just how much money Manu would be offered by teams who had the maximum salary available the summer he was a free agent, and Hedo counted $6 million against the Spurs' salary cap that summer until they renounced his rights.

Jack also ended up signing for more than Barry, but when you hate the Spurs as much as ploto it's easier to think that the Spurs and Dan Fegan were the best of friends and could have worked out an even smaller deal over a beer the first day of free agency because of their history of eskimo kisses and mutual backrubs.

The Spurs' offseason MO is to determine their priorities and attempt to make those signings as quickly as possible. Manu was the priority that summer.

[makedamnsure]

Is there anything SeguSpur doesn't bitch about?

[Indazone]

scola thread :)

[ChumpDumper]

Ely thread!