What's the matter with POP?

[SuperManu!!!]

In the first half, Manu and Rasho are playing well so he benches them. Later, Manu returns, he continues playing well and benches him again!!! What's the matter with this guy????

[ChumpDumper]

Are you talking about today's game?

Rasho wasn't all that great against Fizer/Zaza, so he got yanked.

Manu's sitting was pretty much routine rest.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Can't please everybody all of the time.

[Gummi]

We all know that Pop wants to limit Manu´s minutes and he´s been doing that this season because of the Olympics.

[exstatic]

Uh, Rasho wasn't playing all THAT well, and Manu plays limited minutes all the time because of possible fatigue that Pop wants to head off before the playoffs.

Take a pill.

[ShoogarBear]

Can you imagine the wails from the Church of Manu if Pop pushed him up to 35-40 minutes consistenly and then he got hurt?

[SequSpur]

Pop limits his minutes so he doesn't lead the nba in turnovers.

[T Park]

bandwagoner.

[Kori Ellis]

Pop limited Rasho's minutes in the first half because he wasn't playing well. He had 3 rebounds on one possession off his own misses and not much else. Also, Fizer and Gadzuric were a combined 7-for-7 from the field in the first quarter, so Pop used Massenburg to bring in some muscle and D. Mass responded and added a little offense too. Rasho played a little better in the second half.

Manu's minutes weren't anything new; they are always in and out. It's best he doesn't play long stretches with his style of play.

[Karl Mundt]

Pop limited Rasho's minutes in the first half because he wasn't playing well. He had 3 rebounds on one possession off his own misses and not much else.

That's not excactly true. The Rasho Police has to correct you there. Rasho had 4 rebounds in the first half (in fact, in the first 6 minutes), one of which came from his own miss.

(9:47) [MIL] Mason Jump Shot: Missed
(9:45) [SAN] Nesterovic Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)

(8:11) [SAN] Duncan Jump Shot: Missed
(8:09) [SAN] Nesterovic Rebound (Off:1 Def:1)
(8:09) [SAN] Nesterovic Tip Shot: Missed
(8:07) [SAN] Nesterovic Rebound (Off:2 Def:1)
(8:07) [SAN 6-6] Nesterovic Layup Shot: Made (2 PTS)

(6:57) [MIL] Mason Fade Away: Missed
(6:56) [SAN] Nesterovic Rebound (Off:2 Def:2)

[fonzy16]

Rasho was the reason SPurs won. He did no let the usual 4qt breakdown. :)

[smeagol]

Pop limits his minutes so he doesn't lead the nba in turnovers.
Manu = Manure = Hot Dog

We get it Sequ.

You've bashed Rasho, you bashed Beno, now you are into bashing Manu.

Why don't you start bashing Malik, Barry or Devin, for a change

What the hell, bash the whole team. They are only 29-8. They deserve it, those soft MFs . . .

[maxpower]

Manu = Manure = Hot Dog

....... now you are into bashing Manu......



Welcome to 2 years ago. :spin

[ShoogarBear]

I'm all for limiting Manu's and TD's minutes.

But if someone can otherwise point out a rational line of thought to Pop's substitution patterns, I'd love to hear it.

[Useruser666]

That's not excactly true. The Rasho Police has to correct you there. Rasho had 4 rebounds in the first half (in fact, in the first 6 minutes), one of which came from his own miss.

(9:47) [MIL] Mason Jump Shot: Missed
(9:45) [SAN] Nesterovic Rebound (Off:0 Def:1)

(8:11) [SAN] Duncan Jump Shot: Missed
(8:09) [SAN] Nesterovic Rebound (Off:1 Def:1)
(8:09) [SAN] Nesterovic Tip Shot: Missed
(8:07) [SAN] Nesterovic Rebound (Off:2 Def:1)
(8:07) [SAN 6-6] Nesterovic Layup Shot: Made (2 PTS)

(6:57) [MIL] Mason Fade Away: Missed
(6:56) [SAN] Nesterovic Rebound (Off:2 Def:2)

The score board that keeps stats hadn't recorded the first rebound until that pair of rebounds was recorded by Rasho. So on the board it jumped 1, 2, then 3 on that play. The Utah game was very simliar for Rasho. He has single posessions where he gets multiple rebounds acredited to him.

Rasho was not playing well this game. T-Mass came in and was more productive.

[T Park]

He has single posessions where he gets multiple rebounds acredited to him.


Yeah, he should just rebound it once and the forget it and go to the other end, cause Duncan nor anyone else misses in close shots, Rasho is the only one.

[Extra Stout]

I'm all for limiting Manu's and TD's minutes.

But if someone can otherwise point out a rational line of thought to Pop's substitution patterns, I'd love to hear it.It's still the first half of the season, when it's good to experiment and to figure out what substitution patterns work best for the stretch run.

That is why it appears erratic sometimes.

[T Park]

And its been like that since day 1.

Why is it a mystery now.

By the end of February, beginning of March he has a set rotation.

IMO he does now.


Sub Ginobili an Rasho

Barry Horry/Rose comes in.

Sub back in Rasho/Rose/Horry for DUncan and thats the rotation.

After that in the 4th and the 2nd, it depends on whos playing the best.

[Useruser666]

Yeah, he should just rebound it once and the forget it and go to the other end, cause Duncan nor anyone else misses in close shots, Rasho is the only one.

Tpark, Tpark, Tpark. I can see that from your seats you were unable to see just how close Rasho was to the basket when he missed those shots. Rasho has missed POINT BLANK shots over and over again. His % from the field is crappy for a starting center. Did you not notice how Massenburg actually finished his attacks at the rim with makes?

I mentioned the multiple rebounds being inflated because that is artificially making Rasho's numbers look good. He should have made that shot on the first attempt, just like the missed shot he had on the other end of the court. He needs to finish strong.

[Karl Mundt]

The score board that keeps stats hadn't recorded the first rebound until that pair of rebounds was recorded by Rasho. So on the board it jumped 1, 2, then 3 on that play. The Utah game was very simliar for Rasho. He has single posessions where he gets multiple rebounds acredited to him.

Rasho was not playing well this game. T-Mass came in and was more productive.

I'm not sure if i quite understand you correctly. If Rasho had multiple rebounds and misses on that possession, then whoever kept the log for the game (on Yahoo) counted it as one rebound (and one missed field goal). If that was how it happenend, then he should've been credited with 5 or 6 rebounds (if he missed three times on that possession) and 1 or 2 more FGAs. So that would be deflating stats, not inflating when it comes to rebounds.

[Useruser666]

I'm not sure if i quite understand you correctly. If Rasho had multiple rebounds and misses on that possession, then whoever kept the log for the game (on Yahoo) counted it as one rebound (and one missed field goal). If that was how it happenend, then he should've been credited with 5 or 6 rebounds (if he missed three times on that possession) and 1 or 2 more FGAs. So that would be deflating stats, not inflating when it comes to rebounds.

No he missed twice on the possession and made his third attempt. The screens at the SBC center had not tallied his earlier board untill that play. It jumped from 0 boards to 1, then 2, and finally three on that possession. It inflates his rebound stats and deflates his fg %. But no one is really talking fg % here. Just points and boards.

[Kori Ellis]

He's saying that at the game, on the scoreboard, Rasho had zero rebounds before that play. Then, after that play, he was credited 3 rebounds. That's why I said (and others are saying) he got 3 rebounds on that one play.

[T Park]

can see that from your seats you were unable to see just how close Rasho was to the basket when he missed those shots

So you got better seats than me, so what :)


I saw how close he was, but once again, where is the outrage when Parker, Ginobili, and Duncan miss point blank layups and shots.

Seemingly absent, but since Rasho does, he gets ripped for it.

Why the inconsitency.

[SpursWoman]

Why the inconsitency.


Rasho is 7 feet tall and barely has to hop to dunk the damn ball, and he moves like he's swimming in glue.

When Parker & Ginobili and Duncan miss point blank layups 9 times out of 10 they are making aggressive moves....and they draw fouls. I can't imagine a starting NBA center that only makes it to the line every 5 games or so....but I guess in his case that's beneficial.

[Useruser666]

So you got better seats than me, so what :)


I saw how close he was, but once again, where is the outrage when Parker, Ginobili, and Duncan miss point blank layups and shots.

Seemingly absent, but since Rasho does, he gets ripped for it.

Why the inconsitency.

If they have a bad night then they will get criticism. The shots I see Rasho missing I see Horry, and Massenburg making. Also, Parker and Tim Duncan made like 4 out of 6 close attempts. Rasho is just not doing as well as he can.

Oh and your seats are better than SW's but we are more towards center court.
You were wearing Bowen's jersey right?

[Karl Mundt]

Ok, I don't know who is the bigger authority on the matter of stats and game logs, whoever Yahoo gets it from or the people running the scoreboard on the game. On Yahoo they credit Rasho with one rebound before the "incident", as i copied above (9:47) [MIL] Mason Jump Shot: Missed (9:45) [SAN] Nesterovic Rebound (Off:0 Def:1), and two during the incident, so.. i don't really know what i'm arguing anymore.

[T Park]

Oh and your seats are better than SW's but we are more towards center court.
You were wearing Bowen's jersey right?

Yeah, I was just kiddin bout the seats, The way you said from YOUR seats, I just mad a kiddy joke.



Rasho is 7 feet tall and barely has to hop to dunk the damn ball, and he moves like he's swimming in glue.

When Parker & Ginobili and Duncan miss point blank layups 9 times out of 10 they are making aggressive moves....and they draw fouls. I can't imagine a starting NBA center that only makes it to the line every 5 games or so....but I guess in his case that's beneficial.

Rasho missed one dunk attempt when Fizer literally climbed up his back and knocked it out of bounds.



I can't imagine a starting NBA center that only makes it to the line every 5 games or so


A starting center who has 2 plays run for him all night.

Little tough to get to the line when your number is called TWICE!


More plays run for him is all Im saying.

[SpursWoman]

I can't imagine a starting NBA center that only makes it to the line every 5 games or so



A starting center who has 2 plays run for him all night.

Little tough to get to the line when your number is called TWICE!


He hasn't had a free throw attempt in the last EIGHT games.

[T Park]

SW, count how many times he had a play run for him, once again, tough to go to the line, when you dont get touches.

BTW, you said he looks like hes moving in glue??

Hes always looked like that, hes a slow mover, he could be doing lines of speed for 2 hours before the game and thats as fast as he is gonna move, that youll have to live with.


Also, hes a bad free throw shooter, do you really want him taking FTs?

[Useruser666]

SW, count how many times he had a play run for him, once again, tough to go to the line, when you dont get touches.

BTW, you said he looks like hes moving in glue??

Hes always looked like that, hes a slow mover, he could be doing lines of speed for 2 hours before the game and thats as fast as he is gonna move, that youll have to live with.


Also, hes a bad free throw shooter, do you really want him taking FTs?

No I want him to be aggressive. You can't even go to the line when don't draw contact. How many plays were run for Massenburg last night? How many times did Mass go up and finish strong? Rasho also missed a WIDE open layup on the other end of the court. He could have dunked it, but instead he tried floating it and it went over the rim on a bounce. It just looks like Rasho is trying to use as little effort as he can to get the shot to fall.

[SequSpur]

Rasho sucks. Exclamation Mark.

[SpursWoman]

Rasho sucks. Exclamation Mark.


Did I copy you on my text message, too?



:lmao

[SequSpur]

No, I am just sick of the blind spur fans that can't see through the black and silver.

The Spurs would have the best record ever in the NBA at this time if the Spurs had Bateer at center.

Rasho sucks.

[FromWayDowntown]

The Spurs would have the best record ever in the NBA at this time if the Spurs had Bateer at center.

Rasho sucks.

Ah, the hyperbole that is SequSpur. :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

I can't see the "they don't run plays for Rasho, so he doesn't get to the free throw line" argument.

In 37 games, averaging 25.6 minutes per game, Rasho has attempted 20 free throws this season.

In 34 games, averaging 15.3 minutes per game, Robert Horry has attempted more than twice as many free throws (48) as Rasho. I've not noticed that the Spurs run many plays for Horry, and I've noticed that he's been sharing court time with Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker in many instances.

More damning is this: in 19 games, averaging 7.3 minutes per game, Tony Massenburg has attempted 1 less free throw (19) than Rasho. Try to explain that one away without running headlong into the "Rasho is waaaaaayyyyyy to soft" inference.

[SpursWoman]

I actually went through each of the 38 games this far.....this is Rasho's FT info to date:


Game # FT Game # FT
1 0-1 20 0-0
2 0-0 21 1-2
3 0-0 22 2-2
4 0-0 23 0-3
5 0-0 24 1-2
6 0-2 25 0-0
7 0-0 26 0-0
8 2-2 27 0-0
9 0-0 28 0-0
10 0-0 29 2-2
11 0-0 30 0-0
12 0-2 31 0-0
13 0-0 32 0-0
14 0-0 33 0-0
15 1-2 34 0-0
16 0-0 35 0-0
17 0-0 36 0-0
18 0-0 37 0-0
19 0-0 38 0-0


Not exactly indicative of the type of game a 7 foot center should have. I'm not normally too critical of players, but he's on my last nerve. The way he plays and his body language seem to me that he'd just rather be doing something else.

No one says he has to be perfect, but he's playing far below even his own career numbers. I'd be happy if he'd just show a little more freaking effort.

[Shelly]

Hey, SW...what does the old grumpy season ticket holder that sits next you say? I can imagine he must say a lot! :lol

[ALVAREZ6]

No, I am just sick of the blind spur fans that can't see through the black and silver.

The Spurs would have the best record ever in the NBA at this time if the Spurs had Bateer at center.

Rasho sucks.
Dude it's not just Rasho.

PHX has a better record because of there consistency and there energy, not that the Spurs don't have energy but...

Duncan isn't playing very consistent, neither is Manu, TP doesn't every once in a while but he is playing great now...

The Spurs are never shining at the same times, the Suns do.

Some games TD has a big game, or TP, or Manu, but not at the same time, every game.

If they did, they would be unbeatable...

[SpursWoman]

Hey, SW...what does the old grumpy season ticket holder that sits next you say? I can imagine he must say a lot!


Up until last night, his favorite bitch-target was Malik. But last night? Oh, man....he was on Rasho like white on rice. And he wasn't alone. :nerd


:lol

[Shelly]

Up until last night, his favorite bitch-target was Malik. But last night? Oh, man....he was on Rasho like white on rice. And he wasn't alone. :nerd


:lol

:lol :lol :lol

You need to get some sound bites!

[SequSpur]

Rasho is a damn soft ass tool. And as far as I'm concerned, Pop is a damn turd for signing him.

I fucking knew it before he even but on a Spurs uniform and it justs pisses me off more and more everytime I see a topic about this turtle playing loser.

[SpursWoman]

:lol :lol :lol

You need to get some sound bites!



Oh, damn....I can! Video Phone. ;) :smokin


We've been talking a lot lately....he has actually been really nice...well, at least until the ball is in Malik's hands. :lol

[SpursWoman]

Rasho is a damn soft ass tool. And as far as I'm concerned, Pop is a damn turd for signing him.

I fucking knew it before he even but on a Spurs uniform and it justs pisses me off more and more everytime I see a topic about this turtle playing loser.



Well, since we couldn't get Miller, better him than Olowakandi.....and that's all I'll say about that. :fro :lol

[ShoogarBear]

I'm not normally too critical of players, but he's on my last nerve.

As I was reading this, I was thinking, "wow, I've never seen SW crack on a player before".

(As opposed to a playa . . .)

[ALVAREZ6]

it justs pisses me off more and more everytime I see a topic about this turtle playing loser.

You normally bring Rasho up, so I think you like crackin on his ass.

[Shelly]

Oh, damn....I can! Video Phone. ;) :smokin


We've been talking a lot lately....he has actually been really nice...well, at least until the ball is in Malik's hands. :lol


:lol

I wonder if he posts here? If not, he'd fit right in!

[SequSpur]

Well, since we couldn't get Miller, better him than Olowakandi.....and that's all I'll say about that. :fro :lol


Ha frickin Ha.

The Spurs should have brought in 3 or 4 7 footers to training camp, a bunch of no namers that Popadong is so good at finding and fucking turn one into an NBA player.

Mikki Moore is a fucking hall of famer compared to Rasho.

You know what, he does look like he is running through a sandbox when playing.

Dude just sucks.

[Solid D]

Hey, ya'll. I've been away for a couple of days but I'd like to comment on the question posed by SuperManu!!!, ShoogarBear and others.

The substitution patterns.

For a while now, Pop has gotten into a fairly standard substitution pattern unless there is foul trouble for a particular player.

Pop frequently plays his starters the first 6 or 7 minutes. Manu will come out replaced by Barry (sometimes Devin). Rasho will come out about the same time (after 6 or 7 minutes) replaced by Malik or Horry but then Pop likes to bring Rasho back in for Timmy and give him some air with 2-3 minutes left in the quarter. Then, like clockwork, Pop will pull TP after going hard and uptempo for 10 minutes and bring Beno in to close out the 1st quarter. It's the same pattern with TP and Beno to close out the 3rd period. Beno continues playing another 5 or 6 minutes at the start of the 2nd and 4th periods.

The coaching staff really watches the minutes closely, particularly for Tim and Manu, but Pop has more regular sub patterns than you might think when fouls aren't a problem.

[Solid D]

I would add, though, that Pop admittedly does things by his "gut" sometimes.