Tiago Splitter Close to Signing Two-Year Extension with Tau

[carrecaminos]

So, did the FO fucked it up again?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If Papaloukas comes over next year, how much do you think he will command? Only the MLE? Because if he gets the MLE he should be ok. However if he thinks he is worth much more than this, and the NBA does not match his true worth, what reason is there for him to come over?

His worth would be much more than MLE base on what he can make in Europe. But his statement is if he play on team that has chance to win championship and has coach that is friendly to Euro players and rookies and will give him at least 20-25 minutes in rookie year then will accept MLE.

Issue for him is if he want go NBA he better do it now. He is 31 so he can sign 3 year contract and have 3 good years left and this is all maybe. he realize this and so if he does not get such offer this summer he will never play in NBA. he is very careful now because he keep saying after what happen to Spanoulis he is very careful about which team and coach he would pick. And he will not take less than MLE most likely because Spanoulis take pay cut and what happen to him.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

rofl.

You are idiot. No person can deal with you just like Sam Fisher of Rockets board.

[ChumpDumper]

It shows you how great the almight D-League is when Mahinmi couldnt get on the court in the French league yet he averages 20 and 10 here.:lol

Who has described the D-League as "almight"?

[VaSpursFan]

i love the spurs as much as anyone else, and would have loved to see Tiago lined up next to duncan...but, how can anyone be upset at a man making a financial decision to take more money (fiba players don't pay taxes), more perks (free housing, car, etc), and play fewer games. it sounds like he made a sound decision. i can't hate the guy for doing that. hell, with the euro worth more than the dollar now, he still comes out way ahead.

shitty for us, but good for Tiago. oh well, another one gone...it is what it is.

[Holt's Cat]

You is stupid person nothing more. NBA is barely even notice in Europe. I not just talk about Greece. I have family in several country and same thing there. In Lithuania or Spain NBA have maybe a little bit of viewers. Just little bit. In other countries no one care at all.

Compare to how popular NBA was in Europe in 80s or 90s is like big joke. You are just stupid fool if you believe otherwise.

Yes, you talk about Greece. A lot. And you get bent when nobody buys your delusions of grandeur for the European leagues. Not to mention your angst at the fact that your hero couldn't cut it in the NBA.

[Holt's Cat]

You are idiot.

:baby

Poor bastard. The European leagues still have a long way to go. You can dress up a league, bring in a few players from across the Atlantic and pretend that it's on par with the more advanced league on the other side. In the US that's known as the MLS.

[Bruno]

It shows you how great the almight D-League is when Mahinmi couldnt get on the court in the French league yet he averages 20 and 10 here.


Sorry but that's a stupid statement.
You can't compare two leagues only by looking at what a single player has done in both years.
Some players have started this season in D-League before signing in France this year and they have done very well there.
D League players aren't worse than French league players, they are at about the same level.

[mathbzh]

If you look at what happened to Saras or Spanoulis... I think top European players will think twice before accepting pay cut... to end up at the end of the bench without a chance to prove what they can do.

[Don Quixote]

φιλοξενοι εις αλληλους ανευ γογγυσμου !

[mystargtr34]

:lol

Who has described the D-League as "almight"?

No one, i think Mahinmi can be awesome... and i appreciate your updates on him... i just disagree with people saying hes the answer next season... because hes not. He might get spot minutes but he wont be in the rotation unless he improves dramatically in the space of a few months.

Down the line... yea he looks really nice.

But right now, and for the forseeable future... Splitter is better

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Ok i officially want Spanoulis at the Spurs.

I dont give a fuck if he doesnt cut it... at least were gonna have someone under 35 on the fucking team.

Hes only 25... we should sign him to back up TP.... i dont even wanna see Jaque Vaughan on the court in an important game again.... ever... hes a practice player... a regular season scrub... the Spurs cant seriously contend with that dude as the back up point guard..

We could pair him in the backcourt with TP to and allow Manu to play less minutes...

They should ocncentrate their efforts on him..

Kill Bill what are the chances of Spanoulis coming over next year? What do the Spurs have to do?

Im a lot less informred on him than i am on Tiago... but as of now... fuck Tiago.

One small thing... he has a buy out after next season of just 500K.... maybe the Spurs want him to develop some more and they came to some sort of agreement in terms of money to make up for the rookie scale..

I think theres a high chance he only stays in Europe for one season rather than two...

But then again.... Fuck Tiago

Spanoulis is special case. He is one player of Europe that really want prove himself in NBA. He was hurt so much by what Rockets did to him. He would kick Van Gundy ass if he could I believe this no doubt.

Problem Spanoulis have is once he sign with PAO even though he have no buyout PAO owner have been doing everything to keep him in PAO. He want him to stay with PAO for whole career and be franchise player like Alvertis was because this is maybe last year of Alvertis. Team need new franchise player or such thing.

Spanoulis does really want prove himself in NBA and he is very capable of this. He is NBA style player and he is by far best Greek player. There is so many stupid things say about him even in Europe. He is much better than even most hype players there. He loves the Spurs a lot. But the big problem now is PAO owner realize he can lose him to Spurs. So everything he can do to keep him he is. I do not think he will leave PAO until end of his contract to try NBA again. Just because as he say PAO owners have 5 personal meetings with him in recent times and he is being offer many things that NBA can never offer.

But true thing is Spanoulis is determined player he is super competitor and he will come back NBA there is no question about this. But for Spurs to gets him they will need have someone like Popovich come to Greece and make clear to him they want him and how they view him. This because PAO owner has done same thing and he still see that Popovich did not use Beno either.

If Spurs wants him they need come after him and make him understand. He will join them if he really believes they will give him fair chance. He is VERY good player. I do not lie about him. He has all star level potential in NBA if he just get fair chance.

[mathbzh]

Sorry but that's a stupid statement.
You can't compare two leagues only by looking at what a single player has done in both years.
Some players have started this season in D-League before signing in France this year and they have done very well there.
D League players aren't worse than French league players, they are at about the same level.
The talent level may be the same, but I think the french league is much more competitive (for the only reason that it is not a development league). That means that a very raw player (like Mahinmi was) will not receive a lot of playing time.

[mystargtr34]

Sorry but that's a stupid statement.
You can't compare two leagues only by looking at what a single player has done in both years.
Some players have started this season in D-League before signing in France this year and they have done very well there.
D League players aren't worse than French league players, they are at about the same level.

Well i dont know how bad the French league is... but my point was that the D-League is a joke.

Julius Hodge came to play here in Australia for a bit and he was way over hyped... he wasnt really that good at all.

Then i see what he was doing in the D-League... the dude was putting up LeBron James numbers.

And the Aussie League... well thats a joke too.

[mystargtr34]

Spanoulis is special case. He is one player of Europe that really want prove himself in NBA. He was hurt so much by what Rockets did to him. He would kick Van Gundy ass if he could I believe this no doubt.

Problem Spanoulis have is once he sign with PAO even though he have no buyout PAO owner have been doing everything to keep him in PAO. He want him to stay with PAO for whole career and be franchise player like Alvertis was because this is maybe last year of Alvertis. Team need new franchise player or such thing.

Spanoulis does really want prove himself in NBA and he is very capable of this. He is NBA style player and he is by far best Greek player. There is so many stupid things say about him even in Europe. He is much better than even most hype players there. He loves the Spurs a lot. But the big problem now is PAO owner realize he can lose him to Spurs. So everything he can do to keep him he is. I do not think he will leave PAO until end of his contract to try NBA again. Just because as he say PAO owners have 5 personal meetings with him in recent times and he is being offer many things that NBA can never offer.

But true thing is Spanoulis is determined player he is super competitor and he will come back NBA there is no question about this. But for Spurs to gets him they will need have someone like Popovich come to Greece and make clear to him they want him and how they view him. This because PAO owner has done same thing and he still see that Popovich did not use Beno either.

If Spurs wants him they need come after him and make him understand. He will join them if he really believes they will give him fair chance. He is VERY good player. I do not lie about him. He has all star level potential in NBA if he just get fair chance.


How many more years on his contract? And whats he being paid?

[stxspurs]

But true thing is Spanoulis is determined player he is super competitor and he will come back NBA there is no question about this. But for Spurs to gets him they will need have someone like Popovich come to Greece and make clear to him they want him and how they view him. This because PAO owner has done same thing and he still see that Popovich did not use Beno either.
If Spurs wants him they need come after him and make him understand. He will join them if he really believes they will give him fair chance. He is VERY good player. I do not lie about him. He has all star level potential in NBA if he just get fair chance.

Beno wasnt serious about getting better as far as i remember......not good work ethic. im glad he is doing well in sacramento but it seemed like he didnt care here in san antonio. if v-span is to come and contribute and work hard similar to how hard manu works on the court i would love to have him next year.

[Bruno]

The talent level may be the same, but I think the french league is much more competitive (for the only reason that it is not a development league). That means that a very raw player (like Mahinmi was) will not receive a lot of playing time.

The talent level is the same but D-League teams aren't as good as French league teams because their roster always changes and isn't well built with some players playing out of position.

At 19 years old, Mahinmi was a 10/5 player in French league. I don't think he failed the year after in Pau because he was to raw or he hadn't the ProA level.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

i love the spurs as much as anyone else, and would have loved to see Tiago lined up next to duncan...but, how can anyone be upset at a man making a financial decision to take more money (fiba players don't pay taxes), more perks (free housing, car, etc), and play fewer games. it sounds like he made a sound decision. i can't hate the guy for doing that. hell, with the euro worth more than the dollar now, he still comes out way ahead.

shitty for us, but good for Tiago. oh well, another one gone...it is what it is.

Yes. I would like see Tiago in Spurs but fans must accept new reality of how basketball world is now. Some fans it seem refuse accept this and say dumb thing like Tiago is fault. Is not his fault he make right decision for him and family.

Spurs cannot control US dollar and cannot control NBa salary rules and also how owner is able to spend.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Yes, you talk about Greece. A lot. And you get bent when nobody buys your delusions of grandeur for the European leagues. Not to mention your angst at the fact that your hero couldn't cut it in the NBA.

You is one with delusion. If you believe nonsense you say about NBA image in Europe. NBA is nothing in Europe these days. There is only very few people try follow it like me. Even biggest basketball fans in most countries never even watch single NBA games in Europe these days.

I guess you is fooled by NBA marketing?

In China NBA is see as you talk about it but Europe is not China.

[mathbzh]

The talent level is the same but D-League teams aren't as good as French league teams because their roster always changes and isn't well built with some players playing out of position.

At 19 years old, Mahinmi was a 10/5 player in French league. I don't think he failed the year after in Pau because he was to raw or he hadn't the ProA level.
This is not my point. Le Havre could afford to develop Mahinmi, not Pau (they had to give minutes to Vaty, where in a difficult position in the French League and missed the playoff for the first time in a while, add his injury...).
It does not mean he didn't have the talent to play in the Pro A.

[Holt's Cat]

You is one with delusion. If you believe nonsense you say about NBA image in Europe. NBA is nothing in Europe these days. There is only very few people try follow it like me. Even biggest basketball fans in most countries never even watch single NBA games in Europe these days.

I guess you is fooled by NBA marketing?

In China NBA is see as you talk about it but Europe is not China.

The NBA doesn't need Europe, except for some of its players who aren't weak.

[remingtonbo2001]

Splitter coming only in 2010 is just too late for Spurs. If it take shim one year to adapt to the NBA, it means that he will start to be effective in 2011-2012 when Duncan will be 36.

If reports are true and Splitter hasn't signed his extension for the moment, I want Spurs to put a lot of pressure on him and say to him "if you don't come this summer, we will only offer you in the future 80% of the rookie scale instead of 120%". Spurs should convince him that it's now or never if he wants to play one day in NBA.

Popovich needs to pull a Riley, blow off Game 5, and head to Brazil.

We need Splitter. We need him NOW.

[mathbzh]

And for the record Ajinca had the same problem in Pau.
Pau had 3 prospect:
- Mahinmi, a player who had an injury, was not immediatly productive (not enough), was not a valuable investment (Gone to the NBA a few season later)
- Vaty a young prospect with a solid frame a bit raw but physicaly ready for the Pro A fight (in Euroleague he even faced up Scola in the eyes)
- Ajinca maybe the more promising prospect of the 3. He was probably not physicaly ready and didn't receive any playing time.

The winner was Vaty, Mahinmi didn't lose too much, Ajinca didn't play at all.

[T Park]

Boy this is a lovely bit of news to come to after a vacation.

Unreal.

[T Park]

Popovich needs to pull a Riley, blow off Game 5, and head to Brazil.

We need Splitter. We need him NOW.

If hes going for money, WTF is Pop gonna do other than sell him on taking less money.

I don't see how its on anyone but Splitter. He knew the guidelines, he knew it last year, its like all of a sudden he was told he was gonna make a crap salary for a couple years last week.

[urunobili]

If hes going for money, WTF is Pop gonna do other than sell him on taking less money.

I don't see how its on anyone but Splitter. He knew the guidelines, he knew it last year, its like all of a sudden he was told he was gonna make a crap salary for a couple years last week.

as funny as it seems... i think that is the case... he may just realized that he maybe even losing money paying rent and getting a decent car if he came over here... and... for more than one year... exiting isn't it?

[rascal]

You is one with delusion. If you believe nonsense you say about NBA image in Europe. NBA is nothing in Europe these days. There is only very few people try follow it like me. Even biggest basketball fans in most countries never even watch single NBA games in Europe these days.

I guess you is fooled by NBA marketing?

In China NBA is see as you talk about it but Europe is not China.

Agree some people cannot see outside their little boxes and from an American point of view which is removed from the rest of the world. There is a big world outside the United States that does not care about basketball.

[T Park]

as funny as it seems... i think that is the case... he may just realized that he maybe even losing money paying rent and getting a decent car if he came over here... and... for more than one year... exiting isn't it?

I honestly find it hard to believe, that he is that stupid.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

How many more years on his contract? And whats he being paid?

He have 2 years left on contract with no buyout cost. He make 1.67 million euro plus he get Spurs contract buyout over contract so this is 246,000 euro each year. So he get 1,916,000 euro each year. This salary is net he pay no taxes.

He also get 200,000 euro each year for car, expenses, bills, house and all these also tax free. In NBA these would be count as salary so 2,116,000 euro net.

If figure exchange rate this equal $3,281,000 for each year in US money net. Then they figure for Euroleague to compare with NBA that in NBA player in such salary levels pay 35% tax. So to get $3,281,000 net in NBA this means salary must be in NBA equal of $5,047,000 NBA salary as report on NBA salary cap. Problem is because dollar keep drop these Euro salary keep getting higher compare to NBA.

Also Spanoulis take smaller contract from PAO. Olympiacos, Barcelona, Real, TAU, CSKA, Efes all offer him 300,000 euros net more salary than he get from PAO. 300,000 euros is like 465,000 US dollars. Figure the no taxes and this mean in NBA money this like $716,000 salary because NBA money is before taxes.

So he actual turn down $5,763,000 per year in the way NBA count salary from other clubs. He give PAO discount because they let him leave his contract before to try NBA with Rockets. Again dollar keep dropping so contract in Europe keep getting bigger. So this last summer about same as NBA contract of $5.8 million per year is what his value is for Europe. So as can see for him to go to NBA like Rockets and ride bench and take less money is very hard to accept. If go NBA and give team big discount he would expect to play and this is what Spurs would need agree with.

[Don Quixote]

παντων δε το τελος ηγγικεν σωφρονησατε ουν και νηψατε εις προσευχας

[diego]

splitter may have known how much he'd get in the NBA, but he probably didnt know that TAU would offer that much more. 8 times more pay? for half the work? and not having to move? that's a no brainer.

this may irritate the hell out of us spurs fans, but it really shouldnt be a surprise. people who sacrifice and gamble are much harder to come by than people who are cautious and comfortable.

the only silver lining is the potential "no buy-out", which means it'll be easier to trade him or pick him up two years down the road. Personally, i dont think he'll leave europe if it means taking a 8x pay cut.

[TDMVPDPOY]

question is wtf spends 200k each year on expenses?

[TDMVPDPOY]

splitter may have known how much he'd get in the NBA, but he probably didnt know that TAU would offer that much more. 8 times more pay? for half the work? and not having to move? that's a no brainer.

this may irritate the hell out of us spurs fans, but it really shouldnt be a surprise. people who sacrifice and gamble are much harder to come by than people who are cautious and comfortable.

the only silver lining is the potential "no buy-out", which means it'll be easier to trade him or pick him up two years down the road. Personally, i dont think he'll leave europe if it means taking a 8x pay cut.

dude stephen jackson did the sacrificed route and it paid off for him....and how old was he when he pulled that move? it paid off for him

[pad300]

The talent level is the same but D-League teams aren't as good as French league teams because their roster always changes and isn't well built with some players playing out of position.

At 19 years old, Mahinmi was a 10/5 player in French league. I don't think he failed the year after in Pau because he was to raw or he hadn't the ProA level.

It should be noted that this business of 20/10 in the NBADL vs. 10/5 in French A is at least partially because he gets minutes in the NBADL...


He averaged 4.3 points and 3.2 rebounds in 12.7 minutes in the 2006-07 season, helping the team win the French Cup.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/index.jsp?player=ian_mahinmi

30.2 MPG, 17.1 PPG, 8.2 RPG in the 07/08 D-League.

He's also a year older, and that much more developed...

Also, someone in this thread attempted to downgrade Ian by saying he's following in Amir Johnson's footsteps. Amir Johnson doesn't play that much because there are a lot of vets in Detroit, but he's pretty productive when he does...

http://dberri.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/meet-amir-johnson/

Amir fouls too much (just like Ian), but getting 20 MPG (productive minutes at that) out of him is definately doable. IIRC we tried to sign Amir this offseason. I wouldn't mind seeing an Amir clone alongside TD, especially as compared to our other big men.

[samikeyp]

The old USA Dream Team with Shaq, Jordan, Bird, Magic, would have destroyed any team today anywhere in the world.

Shaq wasn't on the Dream Team with Jordan, Bird and Magic.

[remingtonbo2001]

If hes going for money, WTF is Pop gonna do other than sell him on taking less money.

I don't see how its on anyone but Splitter. He knew the guidelines, he knew it last year, its like all of a sudden he was told he was gonna make a crap salary for a couple years last week.

He's had success doing so in the past.

[T Park]

With who?

Whos been a FA with the Spurs taht he convinced to take less money and stay with the Spurs for less?

[Bruno]

Popovich needs to pull a Riley, blow off Game 5, and head to Brazil.

We need Splitter. We need him NOW.

The Spanish league final will end up after the WCF (even if the series goes to 7).

If it's true that Splitter will sign his contract only after the Spanish final and if Lakers beat Spurs, I think Pop should go in Spain and speak directly to Splitter.

[stxspurs]

Tpark time to change the sig

[T Park]

Tpark time to change the sig

Yeah I just thought the same thing.

[samikeyp]

With who?

Whos been a FA with the Spurs taht he convinced to take less money and stay with the Spurs for less?

Sean Elliott.


Of course that was a long time ago. :)

Recently I don't think so. I remember when Denver wanted Manu really bad and were going to offer him a ton of cash. He was an RFA...did Denver ever give him an offer sheet for the Spurs to match?

[urunobili]

The Spanish league final will end up after the WCF (even if the series goes to 7).

If it's true that Splitter will sign his contract only after the Spanish final and if Lakers beat Spurs, I think Pop should go in Spain and speak directly to Splitter.

so what the conversation would be about? "Tiago you will be an important piece and you'll get plenty of playing time right away?"

[stxspurs]

tiago puh puh puh please come to san antonio oh and here are some puffy tacos

[ehz33satx]

:bang Money can't compare to the experience of playing with and against the world's greatest players.

If you were him would you rather ride the bench all year playing for Pop since he does not give rookies much of a chance, or would you rather make 8 times the amount of money and get significant playing time overseas? It's Popovich's fault for always choosing to go with old men. Pop REFUSES to give youth a chance, and that will be the Spurs downfall.

[JamStone]

dude stephen jackson did the sacrificed route and it paid off for him....and how old was he when he pulled that move? it paid off for him


Are you sure?

Didn't he not re-sign with the Spurs because he wanted more money than they could offer? And, when he didn't have any other team offering what he wanted, he signed with Atlanta because he knew he would get a lot of minutes to pad his stats? He did it because that was his best option, not because he sacrificed to win. I don't think that's a "sacrificing route" that is a very good analogy.

[stxspurs]

well spurs are fucked only till the big 3 are left on the books

[Man of Steel]

ESPN column stated that Splitter is only considering Tau's offer and that Spurs officials were traveling to talk to him in person.

[T Park]

Are you sure?

Didn't he not re-sign with the Spurs because he wanted more money than they could offer? And, when he didn't have any other team offering what he wanted, he signed with Atlanta because he knew he would get a lot of minutes to pad his stats? He did it because that was his best option, not because he sacrificed to win. I don't think that's a "sacrificing route" that is a very good analogy.

Yeah the Spurs offered 3 years 12 million, he turned that down, and then settled for 1 year for whatever with Atlanta, then got a good sized contract with Indiana.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

WTF is wrong with all you people ? Vent all you want at Tiago for not coming but c'mon...we have 3 Rings in 5 years. Back away from all the smack on RC and Pop.

No doubt we need to get younger but the truth is, Splitter is still an option in 2 years and I still have confidence that we can draft and acquire players through FA that will help us.

This news sucks but we've all seen that being young doesn't necessarily win you anything. We still have a solid core with Bruce, Tim, Tony and Manu. We need to find a bench.

Maybe: Antwan Jamison, Matt Barnes, Michael Pietrus

Is Brent Barry going to be a UFA or is it a player option ? He deserves another year. He was playing great until he got injured and seems to be playing well again.

Just curious how much longer you think Tim is going to be great. The window is closing by the year.

[Saguaro]

:lmao Now not even second-rate Euros want to join your decrepit-ass team!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That's a nail in the Spurs coffin for any future title contention.

They have no flexibility in the cap, no roster space, no first round picks from 07 or in 09, no young talent other than Mahinmi who is tracking Amir Johnson and Sanikidze who can't even get a contract offer.

Their scouting has proven horrid, they can't identify NCAA prospects.

And the free agent class is exceptionally weak, maybe they can get Pietrus, or Najera, or Diop.

But that won't be enough.

Aside from the sky is falling crap, they actually have quite a bit of cap flexibility, even this year.

[loveforthegame]

I don't blame Splitter for taking more money. It's what most people would do no matter how easy it is for us to sit here and tell him to come over now and it'll pay off later.

I'm upset that he gave the Spurs a promise last summer and appears to be thinking of going back on it. Of course it's hard to blame him when he thinks he'll be glued to the bench all season or sent to the d-league.

I'm more pissed that the Spurs keep drafting overseas players and wait for them to come over and it not happen.

[Mr. Body]

The trade of Scola looks worse and worse. Some claimed Splitter's availability 'allowed' the Spurs to trade Luis off for nothing; now it looks absolutely terrible. It'd be nice to have a guy who can score closer against the basket during these terrible droughts. Now we'll have neither of them?

[T Park]

ESPN column stated that Splitter is only considering Tau's offer and that Spurs officials were traveling to talk to him in person.


Encouraging, but probobly worthless by now.

[Bruno]

so what the conversation would be about? "Tiago you will be an important piece and you'll get plenty of playing time right away?"

"Stick to your words and come in NBA this summer. If you re-sign with Tau, we will remember this bitch move when you will decide to play in NBA. Don't forget that you will have to sign with us if you want to play in NBA in 2010 or whenever. You have the choice, sign with us now or spend your career in Spain and spend your career at playing against Boniface N'Dong and Mario Kasun."

[samikeyp]

:lmao Now not even second-rate Euros want to join your decrepit-ass team!

Says the guy who waffles back and forth between the Suns and Lakers as his "favorite team" :lol

[T Park]

Aside from the sky is falling crap, they actually have quite a bit of cap flexibility, even this year.

Other than the MLE, the LLE, and draft picks, thats all they have.

[T Park]

"Stick to your words and come in NBA this summer. If you re-sign with Tau, we will remember this bitch move when you will decide to play in NBA. Don't forget that you will have to sign with us if you want to play in NBA in 2010 or whenever. You have the choice, sign with us now or spend your career in Spain and spend your career at playing against Boniface N'Dong and Mario Kasun."


I doubt he cares about the competition, all he hears is *cha ching*

[urunobili]

The trade of Scola looks worse and worse. Some claimed Splitter's availability 'allowed' the Spurs to trade Luis off for nothing; now it looks absolutely terrible. It'd be nice to have a guy who can score closer against the basket during these terrible droughts. Now we'll have neither of them?

Blame TAU... the Spurs are in love with that team.. have been for years... and they continue to get fucked by them.... they should have bought that whole franchise instead of the Toros... :depressed

[Mr. Body]

Other than the MLE, the LLE, and draft picks, thats all they have.

Strike one of the draft picks for moving Bonner's contract.

:bang

[ChumpDumper]

The trade of Scola looks worse and worse. Some claimed Splitter's availability 'allowed' the Spurs to trade Luis off for nothing; now it looks absolutely terrible.I thought it mitigated it a bit, but Scola was a luxury tax casualty.
It'd be nice to have a guy who can score closer against the basket during these terrible droughts. Now we'll have neither of them?Well, Ian can certainly score up close. Hopefully he can develop some other parts of his game as well.

[Saguaro]

Says the guy who waffles back and forth between the Suns and Lakers as his "favorite team" :lol

At least I get to follow a budding new dynasty while you are relegated to watching Hardwood Classics on NBA TV.

[urunobili]

At least I get to follow a budding new dynasty while you are relegated to watching Hardwood Classics on NBA TV.
that my friend... is yet to be seen... :toast

[Indazone]

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj137/Spurspics/Spanoulis.jpg

At least Vspan isn't the Euroleague leader in turnovers :D

He might even give Manu Ginobili a run for his money!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Looking at this with a positive frame of mind. If Tau is offering more money with an extension, that must mean he is very good. So,if he does come to S.A, that could be a good thing. I hope he does. I guess we'll see.

Looking at this in a negative frame of mind, by the time he could come over Duncan would be in the twilight of his career.

We need Tiago here now for another title run, not in 3-4 years.

[ChumpDumper]

At least I get to follow a budding new dynasty while you are relegated to watching Hardwood Classics on NBA TV.So you'll be switching your team to the Celtics next....

[Bruno]

I doubt he cares about the competition, all he hears is *cha ching*

If he decides to choose the money, it's his choice and Spurs can do nothing against that.

I just wish Spurs will make him understand that he can't choose money now and come in SA in two years like nothing bad has happened.

[Indazone]

I heard Kevin Willis is still available. LOL

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Other than the MLE, the LLE, and draft picks, thats all they have.

Not necessarily. They have Bird rights for Horry and Finley, they could easily sign them for whatever is necessary to be salary filler to another squad, something akin to Keith Van Horn going to the Nets type stuff.

Just gotta be a little creative...

[T Park]

If he decides to choose the money, it's his choice and Spurs can do nothing against that.

I just wish Spurs will make him understand that he can't choose money now and come in SA in two years like nothing bad has happened.

Yeah thats all they can do. Take a mediocre contract for 2 years, then you will get paid a great amount of money.
Thats the only thing they can do, just pray that the "wooing" of Splitter would work.

[T Park]

Not necessarily. They have Bird rights for Horry and Finley, they could easily sign them for whatever is necessary to be salary filler to another squad, something akin to Keith Van Horn going to the Nets type stuff.

Just gotta be a little creative...

True.
That would take other teams wanting to help the Spurs out though :lol

[T Park]

I heard Kevin Willis is still available. LOL

You still have Tracy McGrady and no hope, back to your corner.

[Supergirl]

PLayers that have taken less money than their market value, or renegotiated their contracts to take less money, in order to stay with the Spurs:

David Robinson
Tim Duncan
Bruce Bowen
Manu Ginobili

Others? I think there have been others. Barry and Horry both took sig pay cuts to stay with the Spurs, and could have probably gotten more from other people in the past. Finley is getting paid much less, but that's because he is still being paid by Dallas.

Jax left not over money, but because he wanted a guaranteed starting spot. At the time, and perhaps even still, Pop wouldn't be able to guarantee he'd start over Manu.

[samikeyp]

At least I get to follow a budding new dynasty while you are relegated to watching Hardwood Classics on NBA TV.

No, because unlike you, I stay supporting and watching my team no matter what happens.

[urunobili]

If he decides to choose the money, it's his choice and Spurs can do nothing against that.

I just wish Spurs will make him understand that he can't choose money now and come in SA in two years like nothing bad has happened.

After you answered my question i finally understood this approach... thinking about it... it really makes sense... be clear.. Money over glory won't work for Pop... the whole question hat is coming up to my mind... what happened with that Spur FO guy there in Vitoria? he may have made things worse.... UNREAL... :depressed

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

"Stick to your words and come in NBA this summer. If you re-sign with Tau, we will remember this bitch move when you will decide to play in NBA. Don't forget that you will have to sign with us if you want to play in NBA in 2010 or whenever. You have the choice, sign with us now or spend your career in Spain and spend your career at playing against Boniface N'Dong and Mario Kasun."

I am sure Splitter agent will say same thing as Scola agent. Start call up NBA teams and say if you will take Bonner contract Spurs will be happy to give you Splitter.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

True.
That would take other teams wanting to help the Spurs out though :lol

Well, we do have a Spurs protege in what seems like a fourth of the league's front offices now...

Just gotta find a team looking to dump salary and/or wanting to get some veteran experience for their youth movement.

New York
Seattle
Charlotte
Cleveland

All come to mind...

[Indazone]

You still have Tracy McGrady and no hope, back to your corner.


Ok, we'll trade you Scola for.....:lol

ya right! hahahahaha

[Mr. Body]

You still have Tracy McGrady and no hope, back to your corner.

Hate to say it, the Rox have a brighter future right now than the Spurs do.

[T Park]

Hate to say it, the Rox have a brighter future right now than the Spurs do.


God swing from the shower rod alread and get it over with.

You still don't understand player buyouts so you have no standing, STFU.

[Bartleby]

Hate to say it, the Rox have a brighter future right now than the Spurs do.

Maybe, but they'll fuck it up somehow. They manage to every year.

[T Park]

Well, we do have a Spurs protege in what seems like a fourth of the league's front offices now...

Just gotta find a team looking to dump salary and/or wanting to get some veteran experience for their youth movement.

New York
Seattle
Charlotte
Cleveland

All come to mind...

Not saying its impossible, just not 100% likely. I can see signing players that are retiring to make them filler for a player, but I don't see whos out there thats available that fits the Spur's needs that they can acquire.

[T Park]

Ok, we'll trade you Scola for.....:lol

ya right! hahahahaha


Wow, theres an intelligent retort...

[stxspurs]

whats the best player in free agency we could mostly land.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Main problem with Rockets was Van Gundy. Adelman is much better coach than him. But Rockets managers is not so good either. Even new manager Morey seem not so good. He draft Aaron Brooks to be teams point guard of future?

Brooks is 5-10 midget shooting guard.

[T Park]

whats the best player in free agency we could mostly land.


Uhhh, I'm probably in the minority here but I would like to get a James Jones. Someone of that ilk. I don't know, I've foolishly not looked 100% at the list. The best players though I think are A. Restricted B. Player options C. FAs but not gonna accept the MLE to come.

[Mr. Body]

God swing from the shower rod alread and get it over with.

You still don't understand player buyouts so you have no standing, STFU.

I don't even understand that second sentence. What are you talking about?

[urunobili]

Uhhh, I'm probably in the minority here but I would like to get a James Jones. Someone of that ilk. I don't know, I've foolishly not looked 100% at the list. The best players though I think are A. Restricted B. Player options C. FAs but not gonna accept the MLE to come.

so TPark.. there is NO WAY in the world we could get players like: Kapono, Haslem or Jamal Crawford?

[Indazone]

Main problem with Rockets was Van Gundy. Adelman is much better coach than him. But Rockets managers is not so good either. Even new manager Morey seem not so good. He draft Aaron Brooks to be teams point guard of future?

Brooks is 5-10 midget shooting guard.

Morey was the one who got Scola and Landry. Brooks development or ultimate upside remains to be seen.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Morey was the one who got Scola and Landry. Brooks development or ultimate upside remains to be seen.

Scola and Landry is good players. Brooks is talent player also. But if he believe 5-10 midget shooting guard is good player for future point guard of team he is not very good manager.

[ChumpDumper]

Brooks needs more time in Hidalgo.

[stxspurs]

jones would be nice

[T Park]

jones would be nice

He would be, and I think he would be good for the Spurs. Although I haven't paid ALOT of attention to him, he may on offense just be a spot up shooter and nothing else, but I think hes a decent defender who could improve in that aspect, and help stretch the defense.

[stxspurs]

i know if splitter signs with tau that would suck ,but is maihimi that raw that he isnt ready to play nba ball after doing ok in the d-league

[urunobili]

He would be, and I think he would be good for the Spurs. Although I haven't paid ALOT of attention to him, he may on offense just be a spot up shooter and nothing else, but I think hes a decent defender who could improve in that aspect, and help stretch the defense.

an upgrade over Finley though... DRAMATIC one...

[Indazone]

I think Morey is thinking Brooks will develop into Chris Paul. It's possible because with Brook's speed nobody can really stay in front of him.

[bigdog]

I think Mahinmi is more NBA-ready than Splitter was, or ever will be.

Splitter's game might be decent in Spain, but it won't translate to the NBA.
Mahinmi has a game that is more suited for this league, and I think he's a better fit for the team.

Everyone should just get over Splitter signing back with Tau. I've always hated his game, and never understood the hype that everyone surrounds him with.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I think Morey is thinking Brooks will develop into Chris Paul. It's possible because with Brook's speed nobody can really stay in front of him.

I have see him in several games and also playoff. He is faster and more athletic than Paul even is. But he have ZERO point guard ability or IQ. He is much less point guard than Iverson is.

[Indazone]

yeah, Brooks will be more of a shooting guard. He's been a shoot first guard most of his career. He's going to stay a shooting guard unless he can develop the pass first mentality necessary for a point guard.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I think Mahinmi is more NBA-ready than Splitter was, or ever will be.

Splitter's game might be decent in Spain, but it won't translate to the NBA.
Mahinmi has a game that is more suited for this league, and I think he's a better fit for the team.

Everyone should just get over Splitter signing back with Tau. I've always hated his game, and never understood the hype that everyone surrounds him with.

Well if compare to Scola I can say with TAU Splitter is not same class as Scola. But also hard to say because Splitter is 23 never know what might be possible with him.

I know it is true that players like Koufos and Pekovic is consider better than Splitter by PAO. They could get Splitter if they want but they want Pekovic and Koufos over him.

[DaDakota]

The problem is that as a first round pick he would have to take less money to sign with San Antonio.

He gets more money, plays in a comfortable environment and has half as many games to play.

If he were a 2nd round pick you guys could try to offer more money, use some of the MLE, but he would have to take a pay cut to come over now.

Same thing is going on in Portland with Rudy Fernandez.

NBA teams should stop drafting Euros in the first round, or have a seperate Euro draft or they are going to stop getting quality Euros going forward.

DD

[Indazone]

All the NBA has to do is remove the Europeans from the rookie classification. Problem solved.

[Indazone]

Kinda reminds me of the ABA NBA days. ABA players were getting paid millions of dollars much more than they made in the ABA to make the jump to the NBA. The ABA was considered a joke league or lessor league than the NBA. When guys like Dr. J signed a huge contract to join the NBA it was big news. I see parallels to the NBA and Euroleague. Nobody should be jumping from the Euroleague to take less money to play in the NBA unless it's for huge dollars. This is a business after all.

[stxspurs]

RULE 1=NO EUROS IN FIRST ROUND EVER. good idea

[Saguaro]

2007:
Scola sucks! It's no loss. Splitter is better than him anyway!

2008
Splitter sucks! It's no loss. Mahinmi is better than him anyway!

2009
Mahinmi sucks! It's no loss. Oberto is better than him anyway!

2010
Oberto sucks! It's no loss. Anybody still have Robert Horry's number?

[Indazone]

Europeans shouldn't even be in the draft. These guys are professionals. Just pay them and have them count against the salary cap.

[Indazone]

2007:
Scola sucks! It's no loss. Splitter is better than him anyway!

2008
Splitter sucks! It's no loss. Mahinmi is better than him anyway!

2009
Mahinmi sucks! It's no loss. Oberto is better than him anyway!

2010
Oberto sucks! It's no loss. Anybody still have Robert Horry's number?


AHAHAHAHAHA :lol

[objective]

what's predictable is that all the anti-Scola reactionary nonsense is now going towards Splitter.

Scola "couldn't play in the NBA", "could only play in europe", "Splitter is much better suited anyway for the Spurs" blah blah blah

Now it begins anew. Splitter can't play in the NBA. Splitter's game is european. Mahinmi is much better for the Spurs anyway.

lol

This is on the Spurs. Blame Splitter all you want, but the Spurs are responsible for their own franchise, not Splitter.

Splitter didn't force the Spurs to give away Luis Scola for nothing then turn around and sign MATT FREaKING BONNER to the same exact contract.

The Spurs flat out weren't good enough to give away talent for nothing but business implications without suffering big time for it. It was buffoonery to think otherwise. And now the 'grass is greener' gamble with comparing how much better the Spurs would be with Splitter game looks to be all but over.

Maybe if the Spurs had Scola, Splitter's best friend, on their roster that would have been enough to sway Splitter.

But tough luck now.

[Bartleby]

What's even more predictable is how all the "Spurs shoulda signed Scola!" threads will be resurrected because of this.

[nfg3]

So let me get this straight:

Tiago tells Spurs he will come to NBA if drafted by them.

He gets drafted by Spurs and everyone is cool.

Week before Spanish final he is considering an offer to sign with Tau or as some think will sign due to the amount of $$$ between the two offers is substantial.

Does this sound like we are about to get Boozered? :pctoss

[objective]

Boozer was worse because the Cavs had him under contract with an option for the third year, but were talked into letting it go.

[SenorSpur]

The worst part of this is the wasted #1 pick. Since we don't have another one next season (because of the KT trade) this is a crucial throw-away.

[SenorSpur]

what's predictable is that all the anti-Scola reactionary nonsense is now going towards Splitter.

Scola "couldn't play in the NBA", "could only play in europe", "Splitter is much better suited anyway for the Spurs" blah blah blah

Now it begins anew. Splitter can't play in the NBA. Splitter's game is european. Mahinmi is much better for the Spurs anyway.

lol

This is on the Spurs. Blame Splitter all you want, but the Spurs are responsible for their own franchise, not Splitter.

Splitter didn't force the Spurs to give away Luis Scola for nothing then turn around and sign MATT FREaKING BONNER to the same exact contract.

The Spurs flat out weren't good enough to give away talent for nothing but business implications without suffering big time for it. It was buffoonery to think otherwise. And now the 'grass is greener' gamble with comparing how much better the Spurs would be with Splitter game looks to be all but over.

Maybe if the Spurs had Scola, Splitter's best friend, on their roster that would have been enough to sway Splitter.

But tough luck now.

You better believe it. There's no sense in getting mad at Splitter. He's obligated to no one but himself. Lay blame on the Pop and R.C.

[DaDakota]

I have see him in several games and also playoff. He is faster and more athletic than Paul even is. But he have ZERO point guard ability or IQ. He is much less point guard than Iverson is.

This is just completely wrong, Brooks is a fine passer, he may not be as good as your mancrush, but he is a very nice PG, especially as a change of pace off the bench.

I expect him to be this team's Bobby Jackson type of player going forward.

Instant game changer off the bench.

As for Splitter, the NBA needs to find a way to fix the problem, they could exempt Euros but that would open up a new can of worms as every talented US High School player would then go to Europe to avoid the rookie scale contract.

Ultimatly it may come down to a seperate draft, or a transfer system much like soccer.


DD

[Bartleby]

You better believe it. There's no sense in getting mad at Splitter. He's obligated to no one but himself. Lay blame on the Pop and R.C.

I'm not blaming anybody until it's definite. Splitter may surprise us yet.

[wildbill2u]

Lots of time and angst is going to be wasted looking back. What we need to be doing is looking forward to players who can help rebuild this team.

For various reasons, we cannot count on another year of adequate play from Thomas, Finley, Barry and Horry. Pop really counted on these players to come through again this year and it didn't happen. Stoudamire was a late season crap shot that didn't pan out and Vaughn is barely adequate at PG backup.

That's six players that we need to replace. And Udoka and Bonner haven't proven themselves yet in my estimation. Udoka is streaky on defense and offense.

[urunobili]

Europeans shouldn't even be in the draft. These guys are professionals. Just pay them and have them count against the salary cap.

i agree with this kind of approach!

[Spurs Brazil]

No news in Brazil press today.

We may now more next week when Splitter will arrive here to play with the National Team

[objective]

Spurs just don't have much room to make the kind of improvements needed.

There aren't too many open roster spots. Barry and Vaughn are still under contract, there's little chance of them getting bought out.

The only youth so far you can count is Mahinmi, and there's no guarantees he gets any chance from Pop whatsoever.

Their 08 first round pick is up in the air. If they draft a euro, he stays overseas to either never come over or get traded. If it's an NCAA product, their history the last decade or so indicates they'll blow it on someone who isn't an NBA caliber player that can help this team.

Viktor Sanikidze who was drafted ahead of Trevor Ariza can't get anything beyond a summer league invite.

No team will collude with them like Memphis did with the Lakers.

They have no cap room larger than the MLE, and the free agent class is poor. Maybe they can do sign-and-trade Van Horn type deals with Horry or Finley or Thomas, but the pickings are slim.

Splitter was the key. Not because he was going to be a star, but because at worst he would likely have been a rotation playing big man on a cheap contract allowing the Spurs to best spend their limited resources elsewhere. Now that's likely done.

[Extra Stout]

Lots of time and angst is going to be wasted looking back. What we need to be doing is looking forward to players who can help rebuild this team.

For various reasons, we cannot count on another year of adequate play from Thomas, Finley, Barry and Horry. Pop really counted on these players to come through again this year and it didn't happen. Stoudamire was a late season crap shot that didn't pan out and Vaughn is barely adequate at PG backup.

That's six players that we need to replace. And Udoka and Bonner haven't proven themselves yet in my estimation. Udoka is streaky on defense and offense.
Barry and Thomas will be back and expected to play significant roles. Mahinmi will take Horry's slot. Vaughn will exercise his player option, probably. Finley's spot will be filled by an MLE swingman like Boki Nachbar or Mo Evans. Stoudamire's spot will be filled by somebody off the street.

[Holt's Cat]

Well, is Splitter gone or is he just entertaining the offer?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

All the NBA has to do is remove the Europeans from the rookie classification. Problem solved.

But NBA have many stupid coaches like Jeff Van Gundy and Larry Brown. No matter how much experience player have in international competition like Olympics, World Championship, European Championship or even play many year in Spanish league or Greek league these type coaches believe they "rookie".

NBA is full of such idiots would try block them be classify different because if they change this for money reason these same idiot coach will have to treat player as veteran and this hurt with their belief that "coach know everything".

Just imagine if these players is now consider veteran how this will drive such coach like this crazy.

[stxspurs]

The worst part of this is the wasted #1 pick. Since we don't have another one next season (because of the KT trade) this is a crucial throw-away.

this is why we need to have a good recuitment of FA's

[Indazone]

But NBA have many stupid coaches like Jeff Van Gundy and Larry Brown. No matter how much experience player have in international competition like Olympics, World Championship, European Championship or even play many year in Spanish league or Greek league these type coaches believe they "rookie".

NBA is full of such idiots would try block them be classify different because if they change this for money reason these same idiot coach will have to treat player as veteran and this hurt with their belief that "coach know everything".

Just imagine if these players is now consider veteran how this will drive such coach like this crazy.

Brown does not appear to be getting any play in a new coaching job. Van Gundy? It remains to be seen if any other NBA management wants to take him on. By now everyone knows Van Gundy's reputation. If you were a general manager with Van Gundy as your coach you'd be stupid to draft any Europeans. Likewise it would be stupid for a European player to play for Van Gundy.

[T Park]

Barry and Thomas will be back and expected to play significant roles. Mahinmi will take Horry's slot. Vaughn will exercise his player option, probably. Finley's spot will be filled by an MLE swingman like Boki Nachbar or Mo Evans. Stoudamire's spot will be filled by somebody off the street.


If they got a Maurice Evans that wouldn't bother me too much. He played pretty well for the Magic. I'd prefer James Jones, but Mo Evans wouldn't be that bad. Although i think he might just be another Ime Udoka though.

[Indazone]

If you really wanted Splitter than the NBA rules have to change. How are you going to compete against 8 times the salary that you can offer?

[nil.ball]

Calm the f down! SpursFan :lol

Rockets to the rescue: We will trade you Luther Head+2nd Rd+Cash for the rights to "talk" with Mr. Splitter. :king

I am sure RC will be like "I ll take it."

:lmao






PS, where is Mr. whottt, Splitter will eat Scola alive, and Scola will be a scrub for as long as cars runs on gas, :downspin:

[tav1]

The Spurs should trade out of the 1st round if they intend to draft and stash. 2nd round picks are not held to the same scale. It's crazy, but had the Spurs drafted Splitter at, say, #32 this would not be an issue next year. I suspect American agents will push to see international prospects passed over in round 1.

[tav1]

The Spurs should trade out of the 1st round if they intend to draft and stash. 2nd round picks are not held to the same scale. It's crazy, but had the Spurs drafted Splitter at, say, #32 this would not be an issue next year. I suspect American agents will push to see international prospects passed over in round 1.

To respod to myself: maybe the T-Wolves would give up their 2nd round #1 and #4 for our 1st round #26.

And I'd package Bonner and Splitter together to try to get a pick somewhere in the late teens or early twenties.

Or, I'd give up Bonner's contract for any second round pick. Maybe Portland, with their glut of picks, would accept Bonner and a future 2nd for a second this year.

[T Park]

I think the Spurs should keep the 26th, and get a wing or point guard.

Or at least try and move up earlier and improve their chances at that.

[BOHOLANO#21]

i have been reading euroleague news and i have never read any news about splitter resigning with TAU...hopefully this is just a negotiation ploy to get more money from the SPURS...

[T Park]

i have been reading euroleague news and i have never read any news about splitter resigning with TAU...hopefully this is just a negotiation ploy to get more money from the SPURS...

Well there is nothing to negotiate.

There is a set pay scale for rookies. Thats it, thats all.....

[Mr. Body]

Spurs just don't have much room to make the kind of improvements needed.

There aren't too many open roster spots. Barry and Vaughn are still under contract, there's little chance of them getting bought out.

The only youth so far you can count is Mahinmi, and there's no guarantees he gets any chance from Pop whatsoever.

Their 08 first round pick is up in the air. If they draft a euro, he stays overseas to either never come over or get traded. If it's an NCAA product, their history the last decade or so indicates they'll blow it on someone who isn't an NBA caliber player that can help this team.

Viktor Sanikidze who was drafted ahead of Trevor Ariza can't get anything beyond a summer league invite.

No team will collude with them like Memphis did with the Lakers.

They have no cap room larger than the MLE, and the free agent class is poor. Maybe they can do sign-and-trade Van Horn type deals with Horry or Finley or Thomas, but the pickings are slim.

Splitter was the key. Not because he was going to be a star, but because at worst he would likely have been a rotation playing big man on a cheap contract allowing the Spurs to best spend their limited resources elsewhere. Now that's likely done.

Spot on. A reasoned, sober take on our offseason. The Spurs hurt themselves badly by picking Bonner over Scola - and not getting value for Scola in return. Everything else looks fairly dim, including their domestic drafting history. Losing Splitter, if in fact they have, is a serious, serious blow.

[dbreiden83080]

It is amazing that this guy would turn down a chance to play with Tim Friggin Duncan, on a team that will have a shot to win it all for a few extra bucks. I get the money is better there now but prove yourself in the NBA and it will be rolling in. It is the best league in the world for god's sake. This is a bad decision on his part.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs hurt themselves badly by picking Bonner over Scola - and not getting value for Scola in return.They didn't pick Bonner over Scola and they wanted nothing back in return. It was done to get rid of Butler's salary.

[T Park]

They didn't pick Bonner over Scola and they wanted nothing back in return. It was done to get rid of Butler's salary.


No one was calmoring for Scola either. Hell New Jersey turned him down for a simple 2nd rounder.

[T Park]

It is amazing that this guy would turn down a chance to play with Tim Friggin Duncan, on a team that will have a shot to win it all for a few extra bucks. I get the money is better there now but prove yourself in the NBA and it will be rolling in. It is the best league in the world for god's sake. This is a bad decision on his part.

Make 5 or 6 mill as opposed to 1 or 2? Eh, I can see why he would do it. Although, if you make a commitment the summer before, and you go back on it, thats bushleague.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

This is just completely wrong, Brooks is a fine passer, he may not be as good as your mancrush, but he is a very nice PG, especially as a change of pace off the bench.

I expect him to be this team's Bobby Jackson type of player going forward.

Instant game changer off the bench.

As for Splitter, the NBA needs to find a way to fix the problem, they could exempt Euros but that would open up a new can of worms as every talented US High School player would then go to Europe to avoid the rookie scale contract.

Ultimatly it may come down to a seperate draft, or a transfer system much like soccer.




DD

Sorry DD you are wrong on Brooks. Be able penetrate and dish off or make good pass from penetrate does not make him point guard. Point guard must understand game of point guard in head. Brooks is shooting guard. He do not have any point guard ability. Rockets is obsess with these player. Alston have no point guard ability same way. Head is worse of all he cannot even dribble. At least Alston know how run team and dribble and Brooks at least can create play.

Head is joke player. But none of them have point guard instinct. If you think Brooks have point guard instinct I really wonder why. Can watch such player just few minutes and see he have none.

[Indazone]

Make 5 or 6 mill as opposed to 1 or 2? Eh, I can see why he would do it. Although, if you make a commitment the summer before, and you go back on it, thats bushleague.

C'mon you guys know the first rule of business. He who has the money makes the rules. This is clearly a case of "Show me Da Money".

I don't fault Tiago Splitter for this. Hell 95% of all NBA players if offered 6 million to play in Europe vs 1-2 million to play in the NBA without a lucrative shoe contract would probably go play in Europe if their head is screwed on straight. Ask yourself what would you do if someone waved 6 million in front of you vs 1 million?

The NBA is a business.

[timaios]

Well there is nothing to negotiate.

There is a set pay scale for rookies. Thats it, thats all.....

The Spurs could hire his father or someone else in his family and pay him 2 mil $ / year for a "scouting job" in Brazil or anything else !

Is it possible ? Is there a rule against that sort of thing ?

:p::eyebrows

[ChumpDumper]

C'mon you guys know the first rule of business. He who has the money makes the rules. This is clearly a case of "Show me Da Money".

I don't fault Tiago Splitter for this. Hell 95% of all NBA players if offered 6 million to play in Europe vs 1-2 million to play in the NBA without a lucrative shoe contract would probably go play in Europe if their head is screwed on straight. Ask yourself what would you do if someone waved 6 million in front of you vs 1 million?

The NBA is a business.It's different for Americans. Many would leave millions on the Euro tables for a minimum deal in the states. That keeps the talent level in the D-League from being a total joke.

[T Park]

C'mon you guys know the first rule of business. He who has the money makes the rules. This is clearly a case of "Show me Da Money".

I don't fault Tiago Splitter for this. Hell 95% of all NBA players if offered 6 million to play in Europe vs 1-2 million to play in the NBA without a lucrative shoe contract would probably go play in Europe if their head is screwed on straight. Ask yourself what would you do if someone waved 6 million in front of you vs 1 million?

The NBA is a business.

If you make a committment, you stick to it.


You can't spin it either way.

Go worry about your perennial failure in the basketball forum and leave it alone.

[dbreiden83080]

Make 5 or 6 mill as opposed to 1 or 2? Eh, I can see why he would do it. Although, if you make a commitment the summer before, and you go back on it, thats bushleague.

I guess it just amazes me that it is always, always about the money. Even when their is the chance to make a ton of it down the road if you take less now, they still go right for the quick score.

[Indazone]

It's different for Americans. Many would leave millions on the Euro tables for a minimum deal in the states. That keeps the talent level in the D-League from being a total joke.


I dunno about you but if I'm a rookie looking at 1-2 million in the NBA vs 3-4 million in the Euroleague I'd have to consider it.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

It's different for Americans. Many would leave millions on the Euro tables for a minimum deal in the states. That keeps the talent level in the D-League from being a total joke.

But you must consider only some teams in Europe is not careful with money contract. Team like Olympiacos come to mind. It is very hard for American player get millions contract unless he earn such thing.

Jeremiah Massey make 850,000 euro from Real Madrid. This type salary after he have 2 great years in Greek league and 1 great year in Euroleague. It take much for player to be consider worth these big contract like Splitter get.

For American player who play in NBA which Massey not do it also take prove ability in Europe unless player have big name in NBA. Qyntel Woods I think get 850,000 euro from Olympiacos and they is most willing to overspend team on players in Europe.

He will not get such contract as Splitter unless he prove something in Europe and it true contract he get from Olympiacos is just because they is one team that is always ready to overpay.

So American players is not face with same issue because money is not as much. It is mostly players like Darius Washington. NBA minimum or good salary in Europe. But if this player is not able prove anything he will be out of Europe fast. Aris been try dump Washington contract after just one week have him. He will not get same contract again in Europe unless he improve a lot.

Is not same issue as player like Splitter be ask turn down many millions.

[Indazone]

If you make a committment, you stick to it.


You can't spin it either way.

Go worry about your perennial failure in the basketball forum and leave it alone.

No contract no commmitment.

Your post is a Fail

[ChumpDumper]

I dunno about you but if I'm a rookie looking at 1-2 million in the NBA vs 3-4 million in the Euroleague I'd have to consider it.Which US rookies make $4 million in Euroleague?

Give me some names.

[Indazone]

But you must consider only some teams in Europe is not careful with money contract. Team like Olympiacos come to mind. It is very hard for American player get millions contract unless he earn such thing.

Jeremiah Massey make 850,000 euro from Real Madrid. This type salary after he have 2 great years in Greek league and 1 great year in Euroleague. It take much for player to be consider worth these big contract like Splitter get.

For American player who play in NBA which Massey not do it also take prove ability in Europe unless player have big name in NBA. Qyntel Woods I think get 850,000 euro from Olympiacos and they is most willing to overspend team on players in Europe.

He will not get such contract as Splitter unless he prove something in Europe and it true contract he get from Olympiacos is just because they is one team that is always ready to overpay.

So American players is not face with same issue because money is not as much. It is mostly players like Darius Washington. NBA minimum or good dalary in Europe. But if this player is not able prove anything he will be out of Europe fast. Aris been try dump Washington contract after just one week have him. He will not get same contract again in Europe unless he improve a lot.

Is not same issue as player like Splitter be ask turn down many millions.

This is just economic law of supply and demand. Both leagues now competing for top players. The value of the players will hit an economic peak in accordance to the demand or value afforded to them by either league.

[dbreiden83080]

C'mon you guys know the first rule of business. He who has the money makes the rules. This is clearly a case of "Show me Da Money".

I don't fault Tiago Splitter for this. Hell 95% of all NBA players if offered 6 million to play in Europe vs 1-2 million to play in the NBA without a lucrative shoe contract would probably go play in Europe if their head is screwed on straight. Ask yourself what would you do if someone waved 6 million in front of you vs 1 million?

The NBA is a business.

He is not being asked to go play for the Charlotte Bobcats, win 15 games and make 1 or 2 mil next year. He had the chance to go play with the Spurs, a first rate organization that is always in contention for a title. To play alongside and learn from one of the best big men to ever lace up a pair of B-Ball shoes. To play for and learn from a great coach. So many perks to him coming to SA that have nothing to do with money it is insane. I sure as hell would be going to SA and leaving that extra cash on the table.

[Indazone]

Which US rookies make $4 million in Euroleague?

Give me some names.

Hey I said if!! You know hypothetical situation??

[T Park]

I guess it just amazes me that it is always, always about the money. Even when their is the chance to make a ton of it down the road if you take less now, they still go right for the quick score.

Well on the flip side of that, one injury and your career is done and you missed out on the 5 or so million that you could've had when you signed it.

Football players do it alot, and I don't begrudge em.
Just his instance though, I have a hard time living with if he made a committment to the team last summer, then when push comes to shove, he backs out.
Scola I honestly don't think I was mad with, cause the Spurs frucked up the negotiations obviously in getting down his buyout or WHATEVER did it.

It seemed this was different, but maybe its not. Who knows.

[T Park]

No contract no commmitment.

Your post is a Fail


How is it a fail when the rookie pay scale is set?

Rocketfan as always, fail.

[Indazone]

He is not being asked to go play for the Charlotte Bobcats, win 15 games and make 1 or 2 mil next year. He had the chance to go play with the Spurs, a first rate organization that is always in contention for a title. To play alongside and learn from one of the best big men to ever lace up a pair of B-Ball shoes. To play for and learn from a great coach. So many perks to him coming to SA that have nothing to do with money it is insane. I sure as hell would be going to SA and leaving that extra cash on the table.

Exactly how does one rate your career in terms of earnings potential vs getting a championship? Many players never have a chance to get a championship so what do you do? Go for the dollars or Euros that's what.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Which US rookies make $4 million in Euroleague?

Give me some names.

PAO has offer Kosta Koufos equal to $13.5 million US over 3 year contract. He have not make his decision yet. So this can be one base on what he decide. He decide base on how high he is draft. If he draft very high and money is close he will go NBA. If he fall a little he will sign with PAO.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

brasilians never cease to amaze me. i know a few and they are honestly some of the most laziest, gimmie-now people i have ever known. oh well.

oh wow... on behalf of all my Brazilian friends, go fuck yourself!

[Cherry]

Scola redux...

yeah, same old story :lol

[T Park]

It sucks because if he would have signed with the Spurs this summer, there was a good chance he could win the starting center job for the Spurs next season.

To go back to what TIMVP said, theres no doubt in my mind, had Splitter come over, he would've won the starting job. Would it have taken a few games in November to beat out Oberto? No question. He would though have done it. Heres hoping a hail mary convincing job somehow changes things with Tiago.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey I said if!! You know hypothetical situation??Well I was talking about what actually happens. Many players leave high six to low seven figure deals from Europe on the table to play for a few thousand in the D-League.

[remingtonbo2001]

"Stick to your words and come in NBA this summer. If you re-sign with Tau, we will remember this bitch move when you will decide to play in NBA. Don't forget that you will have to sign with us if you want to play in NBA in 2010 or whenever. You have the choice, sign with us now or spend your career in Spain and spend your career at playing against Boniface N'Dong and Mario Kasun."

:lmao

That's it. Grab him by the balls.

Bruno, you made my day just a little brighter.

Thanks. :toast

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well I was talking about what actually happens. Many players leave high six to low seven figure deals from Europe on the table to play for a few thousand in the D-League.

I am try explain this incorrect. D-League players leave Europe most is make about 50,000 to 300,000 euros. Most all of them is also cut from team. They not leave contract by choice. They fail in their team and is cut or contract is sold off.

[ChumpDumper]

PAO has offer Kosta Koufos equal to $13.5 million US over 3 year contract. He have not make his decision yet. So this can be one base on what he decide. He decide base on how high he is draft. If he draft very high and money is close he will go NBA. If he fall a little he will sign with PAO.He holds dual citizenship and is not yet a rookie.

[dbreiden83080]

Exactly how does one rate your career in terms of earnings potential vs getting a championship? Many players never have a chance to get a championship so what do you do? Go for the dollars or Euros that's what.

He would not be making 1 or 2 mil forever and that is hardly chump change. I make 70 grand a year and am doing just fine. He plays well in the NBA and the millions will be rolling in. If he to wants avoid the jump to the NBA because he is scared of not playing up to big dollar standards then i guess he took the cowards way out. For me with all the perks, that go along with playing for the Spurs and knowing full well i can make a ton of cash down the road, i am going to SA.

[ChumpDumper]

I am try explain this incorrect. D-League players leave Europe most is make about 50,000 to 300,000 euros.Do you have salary information for every player in every league in Europe?

Please give me a link.

[dbreiden83080]

To go back to what TIMVP said, theres no doubt in my mind, had Splitter come over, he would've won the starting job. Would it have taken a few games in November to beat out Oberto? No question. He would though have done it. Heres hoping a hail mary convincing job somehow changes things with Tiago.

Was he that NBA ready??


this sucks more and more by the minute. :bang:ihit

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He holds dual citizenship and is not yet a rookie.

Dual citizenship mean nothing. In Greece you can have 2 American players in team and also 6 foreign players total in team. This is non issue. Reason he offer contract is because PAO wants him as player after how he perform with national team because Greek coaches see him in person. Nothing more than this.

[T Park]

Was he that NBA ready??


this sucks more and more by the minute. :bang:ihit


No question about it that hes THAT NBA ready.

He could've given 10 and 8 in my view, right off that bat.
Hes a great low post scorer, and a damn good versatile defender and shot blocker.


Thats why its being taken so damn hard. Plus hes only 23.

[ChumpDumper]

Dual citizenship mean nothing.Being Greek does.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Do you have salary information for every player in every league in Europe?

Please give me a link.

Base on what you talk about D-League players that leave from Europe this is typical. Even player like Dermar Johnson has fail in many Euroleague workouts to even get contract and have been cut by several teams.

I give recent example for Greek league. Mateen Cleaves is make 350,000 euro in Panionios and is cut by team for poor play. He then go to D-League. Only reason he even make this much salary is because so many years play in NBA he is able ask for this amount. Players with little or no NBA time can get nothing close to this salary.

[dbreiden83080]

No question about it that hes THAT NBA ready.

He could've given 10 and 8 in my view, right off that bat.
Hes a great low post scorer, and a damn good versatile defender and shot blocker.


Thats why its being taken so damn hard. Plus hes only 23.

100% what we needed to help Timmy for next season Fucking unbelievable, Man this is awful :depressed

[ChumpDumper]

Base on what you talk about D-League players that leave from Europe this is typical. Even player like Dermar Johnson has fail in many Euroleague workouts to even get contract and have been cut by several teams.

I give recent example for Greek league. Mateen Cleaves is make 350,000 euro in Panionios and is cut by team for poor play. He then go to D-League. Only reason he even make this much salary is because so many years play in NBA he is able ask for this amount. Players with little or no NBA time can get nothing close to this salary.That was not the quesiton.

Do you have salary information for every player in every league in Europe?

Please give me a link.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Being Greek does.

What is point of this? He is not be offer contract because he is Greek. How you explain Pekovic who Montenegro player have his agent deman all NBA team not draft him first round?

He is easy first round pick and will not be because agent tell all NBA team draft him round 2 only. Why? Because PAO give him $13.5 million contract otherwise he will be NBA rookie next year and first round pick.

He is not Greek in any way. He is just player PAO want like Koufos.

[T Park]

100% what we needed to help Timmy for next season Fucking unbelievable, Man this is awful :depressed

Yup.

If you look back I've said that Tiago Splitter is the medicine to what ails this team next year. Hes the offensive low post presence you can go through when Dncna is on the bench, and hes a good defensive big man rebounder that can play next to him. Hes someone that can stay with a Dirk Nowtizki or better yet an improving David West.


If the Spurs could've incorporated a Tiago Ian Mahinmi bigman rotation along with Bonner, Oberto and or Kurt Thomas would've been awesome.

[ChumpDumper]

What is point of this? He is not be offer contract because he is Greek.So being Greek and playing for the Greek national team has no effect at all on his comfort level in signing with a Greek team instead of staying in the US?

Of course it does.

This guy is the exception.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

That was not the quesiton.

Do you have salary information for every player in every league in Europe?

Please give me a link.

Such thing not exist. One of things make many fans in Europe mad. But it depend on individual player and team. You make it be like just be American D-League level player equal big contract in Europe not true.

Player like Washington get good contract because Aris managers believes he is talent player and can be good Euroleague player. So far he prove different and they are not able get rid of his contract.

But this is point, some other D-League player might get very small contract with small club and be lucky. Washington get huge contract for American D league player.

[ChumpDumper]

Such thing not exist.
Thanks. You didn't need to say anything else.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So being Greek and playing for the Greek national team has no effect at all on his comfort level in signing with a Greek team instead of staying in the US?

Of course it does.

This guy is the exception.

No. You is make up own facts. PAO will sign any college player of US to such contract if it believe it want such player. Koufos be offer contract have nothing to do with him want play there. You is confuse. He not even want play there. He want play NBA.

You believe this only college player have been offer contract by big European clubs? Even Kobe before NBA was offer contract by some Italy clubs.

I think you get some thing confuse here. reason US young players have not go to Europe is because they are American and rather stay in US. Simple thing.

[ChumpDumper]

No. You is make up own facts. PAO will sign any college player of US to such contract if it believe it want such player. Koufos be offer contract have nothing to do with him want play there. You is confuse. He not even want play there. He want play NBA.

You believe this only college player have been offer contract by big European clubs? Even Kobe before NBA was offer contract by some Italy clubs.Right. And Kobe took less to stay in the states.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

[Chief]

im really surprised at this

[dbreiden83080]

Yup.

If you look back I've said that Tiago Splitter is the medicine to what ails this team next year. Hes the offensive low post presence you can go through when Dncna is on the bench, and hes a good defensive big man rebounder that can play next to him. Hes someone that can stay with a Dirk Nowtizki or better yet an improving David West.


If the Spurs could've incorporated a Tiago Ian Mahinmi bigman rotation along with Bonner, Oberto and or Kurt Thomas would've been awesome.

Someone tell Pop to get down there, get this guy drunk off his ass, won't be hard for him with that whine collection and get this guy signed. Tear up that deal CIA POP style, losing this guy is a nightmare.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Right. And Kobe took less to stay in the states.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

You is not understand issue is all I can say. You are very confuse.

You say in one issue no such college player come as rookie to NBA will get such money offer in Europe. I explain this is wrong. Then you says it is only because of heritage which I also have explain was wrong.

Then you not understand with Kobe he get more money in NBA than he would have in Italy at that time. Maybe you should try read more careful it is hard because I am still working on my English.

[ChumpDumper]

You is not understand issue is all I can say. You are very confuse.

You say in one issue no such college player come as rookie to NBA will get such money offer in Europe. I explain this is wrong. Then you says it is only because of heritage which I also have explain was wrong.

Then you not understand with Kobe he get more money in NBA than he would have in Italy at that time. Maybe you should try read more careful it is hard because I am still working on my English.How much was he offered by the Italian team?

And can you think of any reason an Italian team might think Kobe would sign with them as opposed to most other US players?

[T Park]

Someone tell Pop to get down there, get this guy drunk off his ass, won't be hard for him with that whine collection and get this guy signed. Tear up that deal CIA POP style, losing this guy is a nightmare.

Pop is a little busy.

Although if the Spurs lose tonight, it wouldn't suprise me if he took a flight to Spain direct from LA.

He did it for Stoudamire.

[MannyIsGod]

Theres a few things Spurs fans just won't admit in this thread.

1) The Euroleagues are getting much better by the year. While the NBA is still better, that doesn't mean these leagues are horrible to play for. I'm sure there are a ton of NBA players here who wouldn't play in those leagues. Believe it or not, they are getting much better.

2) The pay is getting damn near equal for a lot of those big names. They get paid in Euros and they get paid amounts AFTER taxes. They get all kinds of stipons for living expenses. You can't underestimate the value of being paid in Euros right now. The dollar is weak and getting weaker.

3) Home is home. I shouldn't even have to explain this.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

How much was he offered by the Italian team?

I do not remember but I think 2 Italian teams offer him like million per year in US money back then. But that is in old days when NBA is pay more. In that time Greek league is only one where he could get huge contract. But big Greek clubs then would never sign high school player they would sign Dominique or Byron Scott or David Rivers, Walter Berry older veterans of NBA to such contracts.

Dominique have contract so huge for that day hard to believe really. But in Italy would not get such deals.

[ChumpDumper]

I do not remember but I think 2 Italian teams offer him like million per year in US money back then.That is more than he made in the NBA his rookie year.

[T Park]

Theres a few things Spurs fans just won't admit in this thread.

1) The Euroleagues are getting much better by the year. While the NBA is still better, that doesn't mean these leagues are horrible to play for. I'm sure there are a ton of NBA players here who wouldn't play in those leagues. Believe it or not, they are getting much better.

2) The pay is getting damn near equal for a lot of those big names. They get paid in Euros and they get paid amounts AFTER taxes. They get all kinds of stipons for living expenses. You can't underestimate the value of being paid in Euros right now. The dollar is weak and getting weaker.

3) Home is home. I shouldn't even have to explain this.

Agreed with 1 and 2.

3 would be correct if Splitter was from Spain.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

How much was he offered by the Italian team?

And can you think of any reason an Italian team might think Kobe would sign with them as opposed to most other US players?

You are create own view. Is not because he live in Italy. Is because they able to scout him and see him more. Same with Koufos. He will never get any contract from PAO if he did not decide come play in Greece and managers were able scout him in person.

If he was just works out in Ohio in summer instead no way can he get offer from PAO and Olympiacos. You make different rule it seem as compare American player. You expect NBA team to draft American player that team has NEVER been able scout in person?

Or you expect NBA team to draft player is has been able scout many times and like what they see from player. Have nothing to do with last name of player. This sound almost racist way you believe.

[MannyIsGod]

Agreed with 1 and 2.

3 would be correct if Splitter was from Spain.

Its not just about Splitter but good point either way.

[ChumpDumper]

If he was just works out in Ohio in summer instead no way can he get offer from PAO and Olympiacos.Exactly.


Or you expect NBA team to draft player is has been able scout many times and like what they see from player.Greek teams don't have scouts in the US? They must suck.
Have nothing to do with last name of player. This sound almost racist way you believe.:lol

[T Park]

Its not just about Splitter but good point either way.

Don't get me wrong I agree with you.

Same reason if the other way around a euro team drafted James Jones and he decided to stay with the Blazers because "its home"

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

That is more than he made in the NBA his rookie year.

See you keep change argument. In Kobe case this not true. He WILL make more in NBA in year or two instead of go to Italy. Same argument be use for Splitter come to Spurs. But this is not true. Because this like live in past.

Is not same as 10 years ago for Euroleague salary. This is point of issue and you seem not able understand this. My English is poor though.

[ChumpDumper]

See you keep change argument. In Kobe case this not true.It IS true. You said he couldn't make as much money in Italy, when in reality the Italian offer was more than what he did make in the NBA. Had Kobe not been traded to LA at the right time, it is entirely possible he could have played in Italy that season.
Is not same as 10 years ago for Euroleague salary. This is point of issue and you seem not able understand this.I understand perfectly.

There are many reasons a player will play in one country or another. Salary may be the biggest reason, but it isn't the only reason.

[Holt's Cat]

Do you have salary information for every player in every league in Europe?

Please give me a link.

ROFL. No kidding.

The biggest contract I've seen quoted for an Euroleague player is 3 years and $12 mil or whatever. I've never seen one longer than 3 years, well, save for Scola's 10 year slave contract he was under from age 12 to 22.

Where are the 5 year, $40 mil fully guaranteed contracts which are commonplace in the NBA?

Yet somehow the NBA is in danger of being surpassed by the Spanish League because it doesn't offer its players an attractive opportunity.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

ROFL. No kidding.

The biggest contract I've seen quoted for an Euroleague player is 3 years and $12 mil or whatever. I've never seen one longer than 3 years, well, save for Scola's 10 year slave contract he was under from age 12 to 22.

Where are the 5 year, $40 mil fully guaranteed contracts which are commonplace in the NBA?

Yet somehow the NBA is in danger of being surpassed by the Spanish League because it doesn't offer its players an attractive opportunity.

Kirilenko is offer 40 million euros NET for 5 years by CSKA last summer.

Webber is offer 10 million euros for 2 years NET by Olympiacos last summer plus free yacht and villa.

And you keep using NBA contract in money BEFORE taxes. Duncan does NOT make $20 million for example. he have to pay taxes on this. The contracts be talk about in this topic for Europe is NO TAXES.

You realize Duncan need get only 6 million euros in Europe for same amount Spurs pays him? You actual believe such contracts be offer to players in level of Webber or Kirilenko that best NBA players can not get max contract?

Kirilenko was offer same money Jazz is pay him now plus he was offer free house and car.

[Holt's Cat]

Screw that. Where are the 7 year, $120 million guaranteed contracts in the European Leagues? Surely the resident Greek can cite one.

Come on, where's the link?

[Holt's Cat]

Kirilenko is offer 40 million euros NET for 5 years by CSKA last summer.

Webber is offer 10 million euros for 2 years NET by Olympiacos last summer plus free yacht and villa.

Blah blah blah. Where's the link?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Blah blah blah. Where's the link?

I will not discuss with such ignorant person. Just same as Sam Fisher.

[Indazone]

Stephon Marbury will be playing in Europe next year for big bucks.

[Holt's Cat]

I will not discuss with such ignorant person. Just same as Sam Fisher.

ROFL. You've been exposed.

[T Park]

I will not discuss with such ignorant person. Just same as Sam Fisher.

In other words.

There is no link.

[T Park]

Stephon Marbury will be playing in Europe next year for big bucks.

Now that I would believe.

[Ocotillo]

Are we to the point where it is time to kick R.C.'s ass to the curb?

[Holt's Cat]

Stephon Marbury will be playing in Europe next year for big bucks.

link?

[LEN BIAS 4EVER]

HOW LONG DO WE HOLD THE RIGHTS TO SPLITTER ?????

I am under the impression that as a first rounder we only hold them until the draft night 2008.

Is this correct ???

Also, I don't care what promises he made, until the contract is signed it's meaningless. Just ask Cleveland about Carlos Boozer......

We fucked up big time and now not only do we lose a shot at the title this season but seriously hamper our abilities to win in the future.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

In other words.

There is no link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3045522

Webber says he's not accepting Greece offer, only wants to be a Piston

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
(Archive)

Updated: October 2, 2007, 10:03 PM ET

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Chris Webber said Monday that he will not be accepting a lucrative offer to finish his career in Greece and revealed that the Detroit Pistons are the only team he can see himself playing for this season.

Chris Webber

Webber

Webber also told ESPN.com in a phone interview that he's still "weighing all my options," which include the possibility of retirement at age 34 if he doesn't return to the Pistons.

Yet it's believed that Detroit remains intent on re-signing Webber, provided it can shed a salary or two by trading away Flip Murray and/or Nazr Mohammed.

ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan reported Friday that Webber had received a two-year offer from perennial Greek power Olympiacos worth between $10 million and $12 million tax-free. Webber declined to discuss specific amounts he's been presented with but insists that he's not paying very close attention anyway.

Who is liar now? And remember they get dollar confuse with Euro.

[Holt's Cat]

HOW LONG DO WE HOLD THE RIGHTS TO SPLITTER ?????

I am under the impression that as a forst rounder we only hold them until the draft night 2008.

Is this correct ???

Also, I don't care what promises he made, until the contract is signed it's meaningless. Just ask Cleveland about Carlos Boozer......

We fucked up big time and now not only do we lose a shot at the title this season but seriously hamper our abilities to win in the future.

Nah, they have his rights until he stops playing professional basketball for a year.

[ChumpDumper]

HOW LONG DO WE HOLD THE RIGHTS TO SPLITTER ?????

I am under the impression that as a forst rounder we only hold them until the draft night 2008.As long as he keeps playing pro ball, the Spurs hold his rights indefinitely.

[T Park]

Are we to the point where it is time to kick R.C.'s ass to the curb?

Because Splitter changed his mind and reneged on a deal?

How is that his fault?

[Holt's Cat]

ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan reported Friday that Webber had received a two-year offer from perennial Greek power Olympiacos worth between $10 million and $12 million tax-free. Webber declined to discuss specific amounts he's been presented with but insists that he's not paying very close attention anyway.

2 years and $10 mil? ROFL. And he still has to pay tax on that shit.

[T Park]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3045522

Webber says he's not accepting Greece offer, only wants to be a Piston

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
(Archive)

Updated: October 2, 2007, 10:03 PM ET

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Chris Webber said Monday that he will not be accepting a lucrative offer to finish his career in Greece and revealed that the Detroit Pistons are the only team he can see himself playing for this season.

Chris Webber

Webber

Webber also told ESPN.com in a phone interview that he's still "weighing all my options," which include the possibility of retirement at age 34 if he doesn't return to the Pistons.

Yet it's believed that Detroit remains intent on re-signing Webber, provided it can shed a salary or two by trading away Flip Murray and/or Nazr Mohammed.

ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan reported Friday that Webber had received a two-year offer from perennial Greek power Olympiacos worth between $10 million and $12 million tax-free. Webber declined to discuss specific amounts he's been presented with but insists that he's not paying very close attention anyway.

Who is liar now? And remember they get dollar confuse with Euro.

Where is this supposed huge contract for AK47?

[ChumpDumper]

Are we to the point where it is time to kick R.C.'s ass to the curb?Well, the only teams that can finish ahead of us are two teams that were on the receiving end of the most lopsided trades in NBA history and the Pistons.

Who are we going to hire? Zeke?

[LEN BIAS 4EVER]

Thats good to know.

Don't know if it matters though. It seems as if he is priced out of fitting in the Spurs organization

[Holt's Cat]

Well, the only teams that can finish ahead of us are two teams that were on the receiving end of the most lopsided trades in NBA history and the Pistons.

Who are we going to hire? Zeke?

Well, it's time for RC to earn his check and live up to his rep, starting this summer.

[Holt's Cat]

Thats good to know.

Don't know if it matters though. It seems as if he is priced out of fitting in the Spurs organization

Until he realizes that the best he will ever be able to do outside of the NBA is 2 years and $10 mil.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

2 years and $10 mil? ROFL. And he still has to pay tax on that shit.

Do you not read? AFTER TAXES. This is salary amount AFTER he would pay taxes. And they get Euros confuse with dollars.

You name me NBA team will pay Webber 10-12 million euros salary AFTER taxes.

In case you not able read how many times it have be explain teams pay taxes not players. This is NET salary. Why are you so stupid?

In NBA it say Duncan make $20 million he does not he have to pay taxes.

Salary for Webber means he NOT pay taxes. When his tax comes for US or Greece it is paid and check for full amount would come from Olympiacos. You need grow brain.

[Indazone]

Andre Kirilenko

http://news-translator.com/2261-cska-is-ready-to-sign-a-contract-with-andrei-kiril.html

Clearly, no European club is not willing to pay such money player (13.7 million dollars a year), no matter how good it may be. But Kirilenko belongs to the category of people for whom the first place - not money, and the idea. He wants to leave because of "Yuty failed to increase wages, and to find a team, which could progress. If Kirilenko sees a purpose and desire to light up with a new club, it is confident financial compromise will be found ".

[Holt's Cat]

Do you not read? AFTER TAXES. This is salary amount AFTER he would pay taxes. And they get Euros confuse with dollars.

You name me NBA team will pay Webber 10-12 million euros salary AFTER taxes.

In case you not able read how many times it have be explain teams pay taxes not players. This is NET salary. Why are you so stupid?

In NBA it say Duncan make $20 million he does not he have to pay taxes.

Salary for Webber means he NOT pay taxes. When his tax comes for US or Greece it is paid and check for full amount would come from Olympiacos. You need grow brain.

He is a US citizen. He will have to pay tax on that. And then he will have to pay tax on the amount that the Olympics paid him to pay his tax.

[LEN BIAS 4EVER]

T PARK your a lawyer I believe and you know damn well that until the ink is on the contract nothing counts. And even then its not for much with some people.

Handshakes and "my word is stronger than oak..." have stopped counting for anything since Ike walked out of the White House.


We just got punked by the Euro Ashton Kutcher .......

[Holt's Cat]

Andre Kirilenko

http://news-translator.com/2261-cska-is-ready-to-sign-a-contract-with-andrei-kiril.html

Clearly, no European club is not willing to pay such money player (13.7 million dollars a year), no matter how good it may be. But Kirilenko belongs to the category of people for whom the first place - not money, and the idea. He wants to leave because of "Yuty failed to increase wages, and to find a team, which could progress. If Kirilenko sees a purpose and desire to light up with a new club, it is confident financial compromise will be found ".

Sadly, Kirilenko was not willing to agree to a financial "compromise".

[dougp]

Spurs should be able to sue the fuck out of Tau, this is the second time this has happened. Why do people take Euroleague contracts? It may be more money, but the glory is nothing like the NBA. Period.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, it's time for RC to earn his check and live up to his rep, starting this summer.Agreed, I just don't know whom to replace him with if it came to that.

[stxspurs]

KILL BILL....so u dont think vspan will come back to the nba.

[Indazone]

The glory may soon be there especially if all their clubs keep getting better and better. If their economy keeps on blowing ours away and they can pay more money. The Euroleague Championship may soon be on par with the NBA.

[T Park]

T PARK your a lawyer I believe and you know damn well that until the ink is on the contract nothing counts. And even then its not for much with some people.

Handshakes and "my word is stronger than oak..." have stopped counting for anything since Ike walked out of the White House.


How dare you call me a lawyer....

[Indazone]

How dare you call me a lawyer....

lol does the shoe fit?

[Anti.Hero]

I'll sign for the Spurs fo free.

[Holt's Cat]

The glory may soon be there especially if all their clubs keep getting better and better. If their economy keeps on blowing ours away and they can pay more money. The Euroleague Championship may soon be on par with the NBA.

The US economy is rather large relative to Spain and I don't believe anyone would believe the MLS is superior to La Liga.

[T Park]

lol does the shoe fit?

I am not a lawyer. I'm not even a quarter that smart....

[Ocotillo]

Because Splitter changed his mind and reneged on a deal?

How is that his fault?

Straw that breaks the camels back. R.C. has been whiffing lately. He has ridden on Tony and Manu's coat tails for a while now.

2007 Splitter and Marcus Williams

2006 nuttin'

2005 Ian Mahinmi (?)

2004 Beno, Romain Sato and Frankenstein (Sergei Karaulov)

2003 Traded 1st round pick to Phx who drafts Barbosa

2002 Trades picks except Scola

When did we pick up Sankidze?

Anyway, he gets props for unloading Francisco for Kurt Thomas but unless Ian turns out to be a stud and Sankidze catches fire or he somehow signs VSpan and that pans out, what the heck has he done for me lately?

[tp2021]

Agreed, I just don't know whom to replace him with if it came to that.

Can we trade Splitter and RC to Seattle for Presti and Elson? :lol

[Indazone]

Time for RC to retire.

[remingtonbo2001]

Okay.

So, will someone tell where Tiago's situation currently stands?

I take it nothing has been signed, so this is pretty much speculation at this point.

[Ocotillo]

Agreed, I just don't know whom to replace him with if it came to that.
Pop is actually a pretty good GM when he does that full time. Of course, then you would have to find a coach and I am not sure who would be a good match, A.J.?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Sadly, Kirilenko was not willing to agree to a financial "compromise".

He is offer 35-40 million euros tax free by CSKA. This is mention many time in Europe press. You fail at math and you are Ugly American type. It is impossible deal with this type of person.

[Indazone]

Offer Tiago an Argentian Shoe Contract:lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The US economy is rather large relative to Spain and I don't believe anyone would believe the MLS is superior to La Liga.

Euroleague include 23 countries not just Spain. But facts are something you not care about as can be see from all your posts.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Stephon Marbury will be playing in Europe next year.


link?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2940731

:fro

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He is offer 35-40 million euros tax free by CSKA. This is mention many time in Europe press. You fail at math and you are Ugly American type. It is impossible deal with this type of person.

Link?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

KILL BILL....so u dont think vspan will come back to the nba.

He will come to NBA as long as it is consider best league with best players. This will only change if that was to change. He will come back to NBA for sure. Issue is if Spurs wants him to come this year they must meet him and make him believe they will play him. if not do this he will stay 2 more years in PAO then pick which NBA team he want plays for.

Reason he have this attitude is because remember Rockets GM and also Van Gundy promise him at least 10 minutes each game and also he will average 20-25 minutes all year and he will be starter by playoffs.

Because of this accept much less money than he was offer in new contract by PAO. PAO owner was to give him new much bigger contract and Rockets only offer what he wwas make in old one.

Also he even accept much less than other NBA teams offer. 6 NBA teams offer full MLE and his agent have many offers to make trades for his rights and then get full MLE. All he have to do is tell Rockets he will never sign with them and they will trade him for other rights and money to such team and he will get MLE.

Pistons is one team wanted do this very badly. He believes Rockets is honest in that he will play and takes LLE money deal from Rockets as favor. And because he "dreams of NBA" and wants thank them for have Mavs draft him for them.

Look what happens. Look how he is repay for take all less money. And first day of practice Van Gundy change story and deny he ever promise playing time even though PAO owner told media and show them on paper guarantee 10 minutes. He see and is told dame thing when Rockets ask him let Spanoulis out of contract.

This is type of thing actions by Van Gundy and Rockets to Spanoulis why players like Splitter and Fernandez are so careful about what NBA teams promise now. The agents believe no such things as "next contract will be bigger and we pay you back" or "yes, yes you will play we promise". Spurs can thank Van Gundy for this. This well known in Europe after Spanoulis deal there is zero trust for NBA by Europe agents and players now.

So you must understand how Spanoulis feel. He was lie to and cheat out of money by Van Gundy before so he will want really believe NBA team is honest with him. And he will not consider any team where he will not be playing. So Spurs must understand this after what Rockets do to him. Also because in PAO owner treat him like son. he is the owners favorite and is chosen to be face of PAO and franchise player for future to replace Alvertis. Understand PAO is rank as #1 or #2 biggest and richest sports club in world also with Barcelona. So this mean much fame and endorsement money and these things.

He is sacrifice much to come to NBA especially with family. he is very close with family and Rockets never allow him any ways with this. Just tell his mom shut her mouth and stop complain and him also. Even though he have dead father from before, dead stepfather, and mother try suicide.

So yes he will come NBA for sure to prove what he can do after PAO contract is over and he also will come before this to right situation but only if he believe team is tell truth and he will be treat right way.

[ChumpDumper]

Also he even accept much less than other NBA teams offer. 6 NBA teams offer full MLE and his agent have many offers to make trades for his rights and then get full MLE. All he have to do is tell Rockets he will never sign with them and they will trade him for other rights and money to such team and he will get MLE.Are you saying the Rockets still own VSpan's rights even after they bought him out and waived him?

[Holt's Cat]

Euroleague include 23 countries not just Spain. But facts are something you not care about as can be see from all your posts.

Right. You have to band together to compete against the US.

Anyways, is La Liga a league for all of Europe or only for Spain? Take as much time as you want.

[clubalien]

Honestly, how good is Ian? What kind of potential are we talkin here?

The way he looks reminds people of a YOUNG kg

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Are you saying the Rockets still own VSpan's rights even after they bought him out and waived him?

No sorry bad English. Spanoulis sign with Rockets I think some time maybe June or July in 2006. Before this time Pistons is try very hard make trade for his rights and will offer him MLE. 5 other teams also want make trade and will give him MLE. This time like 2005 to 2006.

6 teams try do this were

Pistons
Kings
Warriors
Mavericks
Spurs
Blazers

[ZEUS]

Kill_Bill_Pana you are no longer a Greek!

DEPART!

http://danielfuentes.iespana.es/danielfuentes/images/mitologia/zeus.jpg

XOXOXO

-Zeus

[manufor3]

geez

[ChumpDumper]

No sorry bad English. Spanoulis sign with Rockets I think some time maybe June or July in 2006. Before this time Pistons is try very hard make trade for his rights and will offer him MLE. 5 other teams also want make trade and will give him MLE. This time like 2005 to 2006.

6 teams try do this were

Pistons
Kings
Warriors
Mavericks
Spurs
BlazersOK. I suppose there may be a couple of teams interested in giving him the full MLE this summer. I just don't think the Spurs are one of them.

[endrity]

Right. You have to band together to compete against the US.

Anyways, is La Liga a league for all of Europe or only for Spain? Take as much time as you want.

Dude, you have to get up to date with facts. Spain is part of the Euro-zone, and the European Union. That is a fully integrated internal market that operates as a single entity. In terms of GDP it is the biggest economy of the planet. Whether they had to combine together or not, it's totally irrelevant.

TAU plays not only in the Spanish League, but the Euroleague, which draws revenues from the whole continent.

The Euroleague is not up to par with the NBA in terms of play, and probably never will be, but the NBA has to realize that it's not the only player of a sport that is global in its development. The NBA is not on the same operating scale as the NFL, NHL, MLB.

And while it might seem ridicoulous to you, fans, players, coaches, organizations, around the world prepare, and completely enjoy winning the Onlympics, the Euroleague, or the Eurobasket tournaments.

I am not someone that comes to the aide of KBP, but Americans have to understand it's a big big world out there and they have to open their eyes.

I feel bad for how the Splitter situation developed, but I too believe that the Spurs have only themselves to blame for this. This 'draft and stash' maybe worked with Manu, but it can't work forever. If they truly believed in the guy, than maybe they should have brought him in last year, or promised to draft him, and bring him in at 20 years old. Therefore now that he is 23, he would have been eligible for a big NBA contract. This is how the rest of the NBA works, you don't draft good players, and stash them along, and perpetually rebuild. The Spurs were the only ones to be able to do that, but now it seems like they too will go the way of other teams. When your team gets old, you have to start rebuilding your team from scratch like everyone else does.

[Holt's Cat]

And despite being the having the largest GDP on the planet, the EU/Eurozone/runners up don't have a basketball league which offers long-term guaranteed contracts on par with the NBA. Thanks for playing.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

So... how bout that Tiago Splitter?

[endrity]

And despite being the having the largest GDP on the planet, the EU/Eurozone/runners up don't have a basketball league which offers long-term guaranteed contracts on par with the NBA. Thanks for playing.

Then you really have not read KBP carefully. Teams are more and more able to do so. They probably can't offer the type of contracts that Duncan, KG, Dirk, Kobe, Shaq, LeBron, get in the NBA but they are more and more able to offer the medium sized contracts.

And Splitter was not the next Duncan.

You also probably don't know of other big name veterans in the Euroleague that have passed on the NBA because they make much better money in Europe.

That is pretty darn good for a sport, that is MAYBE (probably not though) a very distant second to soccer is Europe.

Now I am not gonna be cocky douche and say thanks for playing, but there are some knowledgable people on this board. Try to read what they say or you are the one that looks like complete fool.