My World Series of Poker eperiemce:

[Heath Ledger]

Never slow play the wheel against multiple opponents
on the turn with two callers I would have pooped it pretty good making it expensive to draw out it was already a decent sized pit so don't be greedy

your min raise was a huge mistake giving correct odds to call to hit any draw it's almost like giving them a free card

[Heath Ledger]

By the way min raising without holding the nuts is gay it's handy to use when you flop a flush draw and are last to act when someone bets min raise chances are u get a free card on the turn thus saving you from calling a pretty big bet

min raising on the river for value is okay assuming no scare cards that look like a draw came in

[SequSpur]

did u read that in a book?

[Heath Ledger]

Ur free to sit at my game any time sequ go ahead and talk your ish it's okay cuz that's all you do is talk

I'm here in Vegas playing every day consistently winning money week after week month after month.

[Cry Havoc]

CY,
True, but if i raise big after the flop Loosey also might bail and i win 6 chips.
But i do think i should have made my post turn raise (of their 10) 40 instead of 20.
I think you are correct that Gunshot 6 bails after the turn if i make him pay 40. What you have to keep in mind tho, after the turn there were two clubs and i didnt want to get bbq'd by Loosey had he hit his club on the River.

It was just an annoying hand, Gunshot sucked out and again this has happened far too often. Trust me i have bet big earlier, like all in KK vs AK with the flop having neither and Jerk Off Joe hitting runner runner JQ for the straight. Its bullcrap, and its happening to me far far more then the math says it will. Annoying.

The problem is that you let both of them limp in both behind and ahead of you. If you let two hands that potentially beat you stick around, they are either going to miss their card and get out as soon as you look like you have something, or they're going to hit it and pound you. If that guy is as loose as you claim, he's going to call a lot with 4 cards to a flush, especially if he hits them on the flop. Even on 4th street he'll probably play just to mess with your head, or even go over the top of you if he thinks you've put him on a flush draw.

[Heath Ledger]

Im not quite sure what your were trying to accomplish with your min raise on the turn, 10 times out of 10 that loose guy is going to call a min raise especially on a flush draw or open ended draw. If you suspect he is on a draw you need to pound that turn bet, pot sized bet or little less should be more than enough to get any sane player to fold. If you make that bet and the loose guy calls and hits his flush, oh well thats poker, he paid a price for that card and more times than not he will lose money with a big call like that.

The gutshot guy definitely would have folded had you made it 50-60 to go. And probably with a bet of 40.00

[Cry Havoc]

The gutshot guy definitely would have folded had you made it 50-60 to go. And probably with a bet of 40.00

Agree. Unless I'm the big stack on the table and WAY ahead on the blinds, there is no way I'm ever calling a raise on a gutshot straight draw (and 90% of the time, not even then). It's one of the hardest cards to hit in poker. At the very least, if he calls that raise, then you know he's an idiot and doesn't know how to play.

[Jimcs50]

I have a hand that is germane to this conversation.

I TOO FELL VICTIM TO A GUT SHOT.


Situation:

A 1-2 NL game here in town.


The player under the gun makes it $12 to go, I look down at KK. I make it $36 straight. I get 5 callers. :wow Now I am praying that an ace does not flop.

Flop K 7 3 Rainbow:toast


I could not have chosen a better flop.

The BB checks, the original raiser checks, I decide to slow play since I do not see any reason to fear any card on turn. In fact, I hope an ace turns now. I make a nominal $40 bet looking like I have a scared pair of queens or jacks. I get one caller.

Turn: 4

Now there is a flush draw and possible, cuz there are two hearts, so I bet $100 into the $180 pot, I get raised to $300, I push my remaining $400 into the pot, get snap called....I ask Kevin if he played the 56 on me and hit the gut shot, he nods yes, the river produces the non helpful that ace that I wanted on the turn, and I lost almost $600 in a hand that I thought was unbeatable on the flop. :depressed

Now, yes I slowplayed, but I would do it again in that situation. The texture of the flop allowed me to do so, so I could get extra value out of my monster flop.

In that other scenario, Fabbs sitting there with the 2nd Nuts wheel, I would have bet the pot with my weak wheel against 2 or more players, because there are two many outs for a wide variety of hands. Sometimes, the correct play is to slow play and sometimes, it is best to just take down the pot right then and there.


Had my flop been Q 10 6, I would have bet $125 into that $180 pot to either get the AQ to raise, or the straight draws to fold.

[Jimcs50]

Had my biggest cash game win on Monday night.


Bought in for $400 in a 2-5 game at 8:00 pm, sat down with 9 other players who had been playing since 6 pm, and noted that my stach was by far the smallest. The stacks ranged from about 800 to 1600. However, it did not take me long to get up to speed. I raised blinds with 44, get 4 callers, flop is J J 8, everyone checks, a 3 comes on turn, so I bet $25, because it looks like everyone has missed here, I get one caller. A 4 spades hits river which unfortunitely for my opponent gave him the nut straight and me the full house, so I double up when all the money goes in on river.

Anyway, by 2am, my stack is up to $3275. :)

That made up for a bad month for sure.

[Fabbs]

Never slow play the wheel against multiple opponents
on the turn with two callers I would have pooped it pretty good making it expensive to draw out it was already a decent sized pit so don't be greedy

your min raise was a huge mistake giving correct odds to call to hit any draw it's almost like giving them a free card
Props Heath, CY, Jim and anyone i missed.
Thank for the advice on flopping a straight with multiple players still in the pot.
Flopped a straight again. I was gonna post it all cause it got real interesting after the turn and river, but i forgot now it was a couple days ago. :lol Anywho it was very similiar to the other hand.
I had 6/9off and the flop was 5 7 8 rainbow. Long/short acting 1st i bet out per Heaths advice and it worked out great. 3 came along for the turn. After the turn i bet it out good per y'alls advice, like 1 1/2 times the pot. One stayed for the River all inner. The two who went out said i could have got more of their stack but i said perhaps so but this was a pretty nice pot and I'm not getting fried with that runner runner b.s. again.

Jim that is ^^^ killer good news. Good to see the good players get rewarded.
I had a 700 pot coming my way (250 of it mine so 450 profit) as i had a higher straight (A high) to his low end straight 9---K. After the turn got him all in and then Dilwad pops a 7% A on the River to make it a chop. :bang

[Jimcs50]

Props Heath, CY, Jim and anyone i missed.
Thank for the advice on flopping a straight with multiple players still in the pot.
Flopped a straight again. I was gonna post it all cause it got real interesting after the turn and river, but i forgot now it was a couple days ago. :lol Anywho it was very similiar to the other hand.
I had 6/9off and the flop was 5 7 8 rainbow. Long/short acting 1st i bet out per Heaths advice and it worked out great. 3 came along for the turn. After the turn i bet it out good per y'alls advice, like 1 1/2 times the pot. One stayed for the River all inner. The two who went out said i could have got more of their stack but i said perhaps so but this was a pretty nice pot and I'm not getting fried with that runner runner b.s. again.

Jim that is ^^^ killer good news. Good to see the good players get rewarded.
I had a 700 pot coming my way (250 of it mine so 450 profit) as i had a higher straight (A high) to his low end straight 9---K. After the turn got him all in and then Dilwad pops a 7% A on the River to make it a chop. :bang

Glad you learned. I've seen too many suckouts to know that slowplaying is very dangerous, because a lot of times, you do not admit to yourself that your powerful hand was drawn out on and you end up losing a lot of money.


The good thing about this 2-5 game I played in is the 4 times that I got AA or KK , there was a raise and calls before it was my turn to act, so I just overbet the pot and took down the pot right then and there. One time there was about $80 in the pot so I made it $150 to go, I got one caller and after flop, I bet $400 and just took it down, taking the $200 profit. The other 3 times, there was about $100 to $110 in the pot before it was my turn, and I just bet $250 and took it down. When I play in 1-2 games, I get greedy and do not want to win just $12 or so, so I try to slow play and sometimes, I lose my ass.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Reading your stories has given me a lust for poker again. I haven't played in about a year, and will have to get back up to speed, but it shouldn't be too difficult.

One thing I have found is that playing online poker messes up my live game - I was playing some online last year and for the first time in 5 years actually lost overall in casinos - played 4 times, lost twice, and more than I won the other two times. I think online is so loose at low levels that it gives you a false sense of security when playing aginst decent players in a 2/5 live game. Gave up online last year, haven't had time to play live this year, but I feel a game coming on... ;)

Good to hear that you guys are all doing well. And nice work on your game Fabbs - you've obviously worked really hard on it, and now look where you are. :toast

[Jimcs50]

Reading your stories has given me a lust for poker again. I haven't played in about a year, and will have to get back up to speed, but it shouldn't be too difficult.

One thing I have found is that playing online poker messes up my live game - I was playing some online last year and for the first time in 5 years actually lost overall in casinos - played 4 times, lost twice, and more than I won the other two times. I think online is so loose at low levels that it gives you a false sense of security when playing aginst decent players in a 2/5 live game. Gave up online last year, haven't had time to play live this year, but I feel a game coming on... ;)

Good to hear that you guys are all doing well. And nice work on your game Fabbs - you've obviously worked really hard on it, and now look where you are. :toast


I never ever win online. I think Ive lost 10K online at least.

[Jimcs50]

I am going to Win Star Saturday night to check out the poker room. All my friends have been and they all say it is great.

Any of you been?

[Fabbs]

Any of you guys able to hit Commerce this upcoming weekend?
220 entry fee, 500K pot. They are claiming even Vegas does not have this entry fee/pot risk/reward ratio.
Only 3,000 chips to start tho. :depressed
3 separate starting days, Thu Fri Sat. And altho no immediate rebuys, if one gets knocked out on Thur or Fri they can buy in for the next day. So i expect the rich Bingo Bettys to be out in force. I was gonna choose Sat but i suppose the Bettys-Trust Fund Brats will be Runner Runner All In on Sat too, even if it means once out they are out for good. Lets face it, this tourney is gonna require a lot of luck.
Sunday is Finals.

Thanks Ruff. I'm still learning but have eliminated a lot of rookie mistakes. I'm also a very good trapper but as you know that doesn't work against the bad players. Can you make it to Commerce?
Heath please tell me you are still in Vegas. My next trip keeps getting postponed but it is looking very mid-late Septemberish.

[Heath Ledger]

Fabbs, Im in Tennessee, but I plan on hitting up Vegas several times per year. Im going to have to get my fix online. I will probably microgrind it out to build bankroll, and use that for my tourney buy ins etc. Im curious to see how I stand in cash games online, that was a weak point for me a year ago, good in sit n goes, and bad in cash games but i have a year under my belt with a lot of hours so i expect my results to be better but I will be playing smaller stakes to start and grind my way up.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Fabbs, Im in Tennessee, but I plan on hitting up Vegas several times per year. Im going to have to get my fix online. I will probably microgrind it out to build bankroll, and use that for my tourney buy ins etc. Im curious to see how I stand in cash games online, that was a weak point for me a year ago, good in sit n goes, and bad in cash games but i have a year under my belt with a lot of hours so i expect my results to be better but I will be playing smaller stakes to start and grind my way up.

you or any clowns on here do online sports betting?

i got a friend who blew about 60k on one bet...lol i told him shouldve used it on a house deposit or someshit....ive had friends who lost big and took a gamble and won it all back on the next games and shit....got some weird shit friends, another mate blew his house deposit and loan he took out from friends and blew it on slot machines, didnt even tell his wife...and he won it all back after hitting a jackpot...

i was planning to go into a syndicate with them where 4 guys chip 1-2k for capital and just bet, since most of them are analysts anyway probably know wtf they are doing....


have you ever been to private house games and shifty dealers where its all setup and shit to bait the amateur player.....asian poker is like poker without the flop cards on table, you just bet on each card you recieve and bluff ur way...5k-10k+ easy on each hand....this is fkn cash no bs credit fagots allowed in. the house usually makes about 2-5k easy just from hosting and doing nothing at all and providing hospitality like food, drinks and shit. These 2 clowns i know lost about 150k between them against shifty card dealers...then they invited my dad to come along to check these shifty dealers and gave out advice to the 2 amatuer players...they ended up winning and the next time they didnt allowed my dad to come to any future events, so it was all a setup and shit to bait the 2 dumb players. Funni shit is 2 dumb players and the card dealers all ended up in the same prison, KARMA. Gambling is a bitch mate.

[Jimcs50]

Lost my ass at Winstar Sat night in a 2-5 game.

Flopped two pair three times(twice top 2 and once top and bottom) and got sucked out on all three times for straight and flushes. The last time, I bet $150 into a $140 pot because this one guy that sucked out on me just 7 hands before was obviously drawing to a flush. He still called with a 10 high flush draw and gut shot draw and caught the gutter when a 9 came. Then the dumbass does not even value bet the straight so I at least save a hundred when I check behind.

:bang

[Fabbs]

^^ sorry to hear that Jim.
Laying down hands that are leading after the flop and turn is something i reluctantly do regularly now. Just so the Bingo Bettys won't suck out as they did on you.
Yesterday i was at the 2/5. Earlier i was at the 1/2 as it was 6 a.m. and the only table open. After two hours of card deadedness and Bingo Betty river flushing my 2 pair (just like you Jim) i was -130. Had enough of that *&^% so went to the 2/5 when it opened.

Built up to +300 and was itchin to double up. Long story short i had pockets on a rainbow but straight draw board and when Bingo Betty jacked it to 150 after the turn i knew he had lower pair but a straight draw yet i just wasn't gonna blow my whole stack on his fuggin suck out potential. Had i called his 150 i know he would have went all in. Makes it difficult these days to play with those continual suck out chasers.

Btw, how do you guys deal with card deadedness?

Commerce in LA is gonna do it again in Nov. 220 entry fee for 500K guarantee. Oct same digits exceeded guarantee to the tune of about 750K. I couldn't make it. Did play two of the one table satellites. Chopped with a guy on the 1st one, the same guy who had his buddy chip dump him on the second hand of play. I told the floor and as usual they did nothing.

2nd table i was tied with three of us, had a domination All In with one of the 2 my AK vs AJ for him. Frappin board did one of those two pair deals so we chopped. Went card dead after that, finished 3rd no money. rrrrrrrr.

[Heath Ledger]

Card deadness is inevitable. You just have to play through it or try out some moves every once in a while because if you are sitting there folding for hours on end you can get away with some steals every once in a while due to your tight presence. Plus keep in mind you don't have to play the nuts in late position, if you get some limpers pop it with any two cards, many times your cbet will take it down on the flop unless they really hit something. Sometimes you can make a profitable session just by doing this every once in a while.

I am here in TN jonesing for some live play, Tunica is 7 hours away outside of that not much going on in the poker world for me right now. I left Vegas on a 10 session winning streak plus several nice cashes in Tourneys and Im in misery at the moment.

[Fabbs]

How did Darvon Moon lose most of his chip lead at the final table? Gradually or on one or two big pots?

I don't mean the head to head with Cada, i mean from the start of the Nov 9.

[Heath Ledger]

I dont know exactly but I recall reading about many many badbeats and suckouts at the final table. Lots of runner runners and two outers and shit. Chips were flying all over the place.

[Fabbs]

If it were up to me i would change the name of the game from "Hold Em" to "Suckout".

Heath I'm doing really well, 3-3 on sessions +67% in Nov and 1-1 on a tourney (chop 6 ways, fortunate for me since i was tied for low stack). But i continually see the ones who leave the table with the biggest stacks are pure suck out luck outs. They make dumb moves and get rewarded.
Ie AKsuited vs K9 all in pre flop and the board will go 78 10J for them.

[Jimcs50]

If it were up to me i would change the name of the game from "Hold Em" to "Suckout".

Heath I'm doing really well, 3-3 on sessions +67% in Nov and 1-1 on a tourney (chop 6 ways, fortunate for me since i was tied for low stack). But i continually see the ones who leave the table with the biggest stacks are pure suck out luck outs. They make dumb moves and get rewarded.
Ie AKsuited vs K9 all in pre flop and the board will go 78 10J for them.

You are remembering the 30% of the times that you lose and forgeting the 70% of the times your dominant hand holds up. Of course with small samples, you might have people suckout 3 of 4 times, but over a period of a year, you will win when you get your money in good.

Joe Cada sucked out numerous times, but in the tourney for the most part, he must have played solid poker to get where he was.

[Fabbs]

Card deadness is inevitable. You just have to play through it or try out some moves every once in a while because if you are sitting there folding for hours on end you can get away with some steals every once in a while due to your tight presence. Plus keep in mind you don't have to play the nuts in late position, if you get some limpers pop it with any two cards, many times your cbet will take it down on the flop unless they really hit something. Sometimes you can make a profitable session just by doing this every once in a while.
Props Heath. I paid more attention to this then usual yesterday at a small tourney. Definitely got me thru a couple card dead spots with three separate steals. Ended up only making 27 bucks as Bingo Betty bad beat me out right after the bubble. But the late position steals definitely kept my stack going all three times.

[Kamnik]

Awww a hearthbreaking story. I loved reading it nonetheless!

You did the correct calls so you shouldn't overthink it.

And btw... that girl is HOT in the pics, i bet she must be 10x more in real life ;))

[Fabbs]

$335 entry fee for 1,000,000 guaranteed at Commerce starting Jan 20th.

I don't think even Vegas currently has this good a ratio do they?

[Fabbs]

Thought you guys might get a chuckle out of this.
2/5 table with ave stack about 400. High hand of the hour promotion, 300 for 1st 150 for 2nd.

Everyone folds to the small blind. He looks at me the big blind. I have AJd so i tell him "Yeah, i've got jackpot potential if you do". He nods and so we see the flop.
10d Qd 8c he checks and of course i do too.
Turn Kd. Royal flush for me. I'm just hoping he has a set and we can jackpot on the river. Turns out he has pocket 99.

River i dont even remember but the Royal for 300 was nice.

[Fabbs]

Heath, Jim, Ruff, everyone;

1st off how have you all been doing? How has play been?

Paired boards. Read any extensive good stuff on em?
I find they are tricky as crap. Besides potentially getting fried with them, you can also miss out on maximizing take.

2/5U table
Me 55 Just to my left is....
He K2u
Preflop someone did a moderate raise to 15, i called from middle position, 4 players in all.

Flop
5h
Ks
9d rainbow
beautious for me. Somebody goes 15 more and I'm fine with them most all seeing the turn so bump it only about 30. Guy on my left comes along, only one.

Turn
2c Oh you beautiful rainbow. He is fat stack at about 800 and pretty loose. I am at 550. I have visions of all in on river so i walk him along with a raise of about 80. He calls. WooHoo! Now i know i could be setting myself up for a buttfry if he has 3/4 or 10/J and riverhits but i'm willing to risk.

River
9 again. RRRRRrrrrr. Could he suck out with 9/K or for that matter 9/any board match to outboat me? I'm first to act, about ready to go home so reluctantly i check. He checks and has K2 for three pair. So i get an okay pot, don't me wrong but I feared his bigger boat so did not want to risk wipeout of 3 hours of play. I came in with 300, bottomed out at 130 at 2 1/2 hours in and climbed back up to quickly in the last half hour to 550.

[Heath Ledger]

If he was a tight player i would have definitely bet if he comes over the top you fold, if he was loose i bet call if he raises or check call.

Your almost never folding there unless there is a giant shove you have to then determine how this guy has been playing is he the type to make a move on the river?

[Heath Ledger]

I just started playing online again a few days ago, im down a bit right now but making some adjustments.

[Fabbs]

As always, variables and to each his own.
Nonetheless, your takes on:

Me.
2/5 game ave starting stack 300, stacks after a while 100-1K.
Me, 300 start, worked up to 775 after 3 hrs.
I draw Ac Ad from 1st position.
I slowplay and plop the 5 blind down.
Guy to Left raises to 20. His stack about 600.
1 other guy goes from middle position, all others fold back to me. I reraise 100.
Guy on left goes, middle dude bails. Head to head.

Flop 9h 10s Js.

Hmmn, board has straight and flush draw plus chance he has a set. Or some people like 10/J, esp suited. On the other hand i am salivating to smack his Kings. I check he makes it 200 to go.
I lay it down.
He shows KK. So he had a gutshot straight draw, otherwise i have him kinda dominated, altho i think with his gutshot Q draw only about 65-35 (ill look it up later).

Are you disowning me over this laydown?

Got it all back and more when i riverboated after a guy turned a set and slowplayed.

Finished at 845 for +545 but missed out on the possible monster doubleup.

[Fabbs]

Heath are you back playing?

&^%$!!! last night.
Just farting around at the 2/3 40U table. Patiently waited to go home even or up. Came in with 200, down to 100 simply due to card deadness.

Opener raises 15
KK to his left calls.
JJ me calls.

Flop is freakin beautiful.
8c
Jd
2h

Opener goes 20, KK raises to 55, I reraise over the top all in. It's only 29 more to KK so he calls.

Asstard hits his K on the turn.

[Jimcs50]

As always, variables and to each his own.
Nonetheless, your takes on:

Me.
2/5 game ave starting stack 300, stacks after a while 100-1K.
Me, 300 start, worked up to 775 after 3 hrs.
I draw Ac Ad from 1st position.
I slowplay and plop the 5 blind down.
Guy to Left raises to 20. His stack about 600.
1 other guy goes from middle position, all others fold back to me. I reraise 100.
Guy on left goes, middle dude bails. Head to head.

Flop 9h 10s Js.

Hmmn, board has straight and flush draw plus chance he has a set. Or some people like 10/J, esp suited. On the other hand i am salivating to smack his Kings. I check he makes it 200 to go.
I lay it down.
He shows KK. So he had a gutshot straight draw, otherwise i have him kinda dominated, altho i think with his gutshot Q draw only about 65-35 (ill look it up later).

Are you disowning me over this laydown?

Got it all back and more when i riverboated after a guy turned a set and slowplayed.

Finished at 845 for +545 but missed out on the possible monster doubleup.


Safe play, but I do not lay down AA there. You have no information. He could have QQ, AJ, AK or KK, all of which, you have crushed. You raise to 100 preflop, and check the flop. That smells like a scared pair of 7s, or AK. So he bets the pot and hopes you fold. If he had a set, he probably bets something like 60% of the pot giving you a price to draw at your pair or gutter. By checking, you have no way of gaining any information. You needed to bet about 135 on that flop, if he pushes all in, then you are probably up against either a set or 2 pair at worst and Qs or Ks at best.

Always try to gain information with your play, check calling does you no good, and check folding there was IMO a bad move.

[Jimcs50]

The other night, this guy who had AA should have folded:

The scenario:

I was playing a 1-2NL game here in town. The guy to my right UTG raises to $15, I look down and I have 3 5 off, I know if I call, I will probably get at least 2 followers, so I am thinking if I catch, I have great chance to make a nice profit. Sure enough, we get two callers including the BB. Good, because I have position on 2 of them. The Flop: 3 5 8(two hearts) :toast The BB checks, the original raiser bets $40, I raise it to $125, the one player folds, the BB goes all in for his last $200, the original raiser goes all in for $220, I put the BB on a flush draw, and the original raiser on a big overpair. Low and behold, the BB had K3 hearts, and the original raiser had AA.

I am ahead, but have to dodge an 8 and a queen and 9 hearts on turn, the turn is a blank, but now have to dodge 3 more outs, but the river is another blank, so I scoop a very nice pot.

The guy with the played it right when he bet $40 on flop, but when I raised to $125, and BB goes all in, he had to know that one of us had him in bad shape and with him only having $55 in the pot, he was not pot commited and needed to just muck.

That is the difference betw your aces and his aces, you had no information that would make you fold, he had plenty.

[Duff McCartney]

I'm not big on gambling and I've only done it twice..when I went to Lake Charles/New Orleans for mardi gras this year and last, but I'm really starting to like playing blackjack.

I only lost 35 bucks this time because I decided to not play after I lost, but I think I'd do okay in Blackjack. It seems to have the best odds. The rest of the card games I don't really know shit about.

Blackjack is so fun.

[CosmicCowboy]

"The rancher (with a few honorable exceptions) is a man who strings barbed wire all over the range; drills wells and bulldozes stock ponds; drives off elk and antelope and bighorn sheep; poisons coyotes and prairie dogs; shoots eagles, bears, and cougars on sight; supplants the native grasses with tumbleweed, snakeweed, povertyweed, cowshit, anthills, mud, dust, and flies. And then leans back and grins at the TV cameras and talks about how much he loves the American West."

That quote would probably bother me if I didn't know the source.

Duff. :lmao:lmao:lmao

You are so fucking out of touch with reality it is hilarious.

[Heath Ledger]

Talk about a pussy way to play your aces. Are you really considering him having j10 suited in his hand calling your $100 re-raise? He has one of three hands in most cases in this position. AK suited KK or QQ. All of which yo have beat.

Horrible fold. You should have check raised him all in. He definitely put you on a missed AK

[Heath Ledger]

The other night, this guy who had AA should have folded:

The scenario:

I was playing a 1-2NL game here in town. The guy to my right UTG raises to $15, I look down and I have 3 5 off, I know if I call, I will probably get at least 2 followers, so I am thinking if I catch, I have great chance to make a nice profit. Sure enough, we get two callers including the BB. Good, because I have position on 2 of them. The Flop: 3 5 8(two hearts) :toast The BB checks, the original raiser bets $40, I raise it to $125, the one player folds, the BB goes all in for his last $200, the original raiser goes all in for $220, I put the BB on a flush draw, and the original raiser on a big overpair. Low and behold, the BB had K3 hearts, and the original raiser had AA.

I am ahead, but have to dodge an 8 and a queen and 9 hearts on turn, the turn is a blank, but now have to dodge 3 more outs, but the river is another blank, so I scoop a very nice pot.

The guy with the played it right when he bet $40 on flop, but when I raised to $125, and BB goes all in, he had to know that one of us had him in bad shape and with him only having $55 in the pot, he was not pot commited and needed to just muck.

That is the difference betw your aces and his aces, you had no information that would make you fold, he had plenty.

I love those small connecting cards suited or unsuited. They scoop monster pots from the donks who can't lay down their Overpair. I love it when I hear a tourist say. I can't believe you played 3 5 off sooot. That is when I know I am doing my job right.

[Duff McCartney]

That quote would probably bother me if I didn't know the source.

Duff. :lmao:lmao:lmao

You are so fucking out of touch with reality it is hilarious.

I'm not the source either. It's a quote from a historical book about the American West.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not the source either. It's a quote from a historical book about the American West.

I presumed you were quoting an equally ignorant "intellectual".

Historical?

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Your suck has reached epic proportions if THAT is your signature..

[Duff McCartney]

I presumed you were quoting an equally ignorant "intellectual".

Historical?

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Your suck has reached epic proportions if THAT is your signature..

Okay. Don't understand why you bother with that. I'm sure you have better things to do..or maybe you don't.

[Fabbs]

Plead guilty to an AA puss out.
However context was i had been on a BAD session run previous 10 days so was bound and determined to go home UP. Nonetheless, i plead guilty.

Now, as to my KK the other night...
5/5 300 min 500 max start table, i join in progress and start with 500. Two hours later, ave chips are about 500, Big stack is 1100 I'm in second with 825 due to a sweet turn boat vs 333 with Ace kicker (me 10/10, he A3 and board had 33). Couple more seats have 5-600 and then the smaller stacks.

1st to act raises to 25 (his stack 600). The table is neither tight nor loose on most preflops so 20 tells me he probably has 99s or worse or big ace unsuited but not AK. I'm acting 3rd and raise to 100 and am willing to gobble just his 25 and the two blinds as i am going on dinner break. Everyone folds back to him. He pauses a long time and finally calls. I do not put him on AA drama queen acting, however now i think he has QQ or JJ or suited AK.

Flop Ac 9c 2s. He checks, i bet 100. He reraises my 100 +300 more. I study him, put him on a semi bluff and Rereraise his ass all in. He waits a long time again, tried to do that talking to me crap (side point i don't mind if players do that, but if they try the intimidation thing i just look away and ignore or say "put your chips in or fold" or "someone wake me when it's over".) Anywho he calls with QQ and my KKs hold up. Needless to say dinner break rocked.

Great move or would you guys say watch the heck out with KK whenever an Ace is flopped if one is trying to ensure leaving up? (As to the two clubs flopped, i know in modern day Hold em more and more players are pushing with 4 to a flush on a flop (esp in SoCal, "No Foldem Holdem"). Not just up and down but gutshoters as well are pushing after a flop-before a turn. Irritating to get sucked out on but still a 65% fave. Hey i push into a big pair sometimes with 4 flopped, but generally i don't like too.
Anywho what do you guys generally do with KK when an A flops and other player puts most or all of your stack at risk, a stack you took some time to build?

[Jimcs50]

Plead guilty to an AA puss out.
However context was i had been on a BAD session run previous 10 days so was bound and determined to go home UP. Nonetheless, i plead guilty.

Now, as to my KK the other night...
5/5 300 min 500 max start table, i join in progress and start with 500. Two hours later, ave chips are about 500, Big stack is 1100 I'm in second with 825 due to a sweet turn boat vs 333 with Ace kicker (me 10/10, he A3 and board had 33). Couple more seats have 5-600 and then the smaller stacks.

1st to act raises to 25 (his stack 600). The table is neither tight nor loose on most preflops so 20 tells me he probably has 99s or worse or big ace unsuited but not AK. I'm acting 3rd and raise to 100 and am willing to gobble just his 25 and the two blinds as i am going on dinner break. Everyone folds back to him. He pauses a long time and finally calls. I do not put him on AA drama queen acting, however now i think he has QQ or JJ or suited AK.

Flop Ac 9c 2s. He checks, i bet 100. He reraises my 100 +300 more. I study him, put him on a semi bluff and Rereraise his ass all in. He waits a long time again, tried to do that talking to me crap (side point i don't mind if players do that, but if they try the intimidation thing i just look away and ignore or say "put your chips in or fold" or "someone wake me when it's over".) Anywho he calls with QQ and my KKs hold up. Needless to say dinner break rocked.

Great move or would you guys say watch the heck out with KK whenever an Ace is flopped if one is trying to ensure leaving up? (As to the two clubs flopped, i know in modern day Hold em more and more players are pushing with 4 to a flush on a flop (esp in SoCal, "No Foldem Holdem"). Not just up and down but gutshoters as well are pushing after a flop-before a turn. Irritating to get sucked out on but still a 65% fave. Hey i push into a big pair sometimes with 4 flopped, but generally i don't like too.
Anywho what do you guys generally do with KK when an A flops and other player puts most or all of your stack at risk, a stack you took some time to build?


With no other information to go on, I fold unless I am getting 3-1 on call....meaning that there is probably a 33% chance that he is semibluffing with maybe a pair and a flush draw, or just the flush draw.

[Jimcs50]

Had a cooler last Monday:

Our weekly 1-2 NL game.

I have 66 on button, I raise to 12, the BB calls, and two others come along for the ride.

Flop: 6c 10c Kd :toast

check check check, I decide uncharacteristically to let a card peel off because nobody looks interested in flop.

Turn Jd

Now there are two flush draws and straight draws on board, so now I decide to act.

First player bets $50, next player calls, I make in $150, the BB goes all in for 450, the first guy goes into the tank for 5 mins and goes all in for 425, the next guy goes all in for 375..

Wow, what have I done here?

I decide that there is a Q9 straight that hit gutter on turn and maybe two flush draws, which means I have 10 outs to scoop a 1600 + pot, and it is going to cost me $275 to win it, so I thought I was priced in.

Not!!

The BB flips over 10-10 :bang The first guy hit the gutter with Q9, and the other guy had open ender with diamond flush draw.

I have one out instead of 10, the river is 5 clubs, the Q9 scopps the whole pot and the two flopped sets who checked the flop got it up their azzes because of stupid stupid checks. The Q9 would never have called bet on flop with gutter, so the 10-10 made horrible check.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i find that with high cards, pockets are dangerous to play with, either you have to go all in preflop instead of trying to bait ppl in who rely on seeing cards...

too bad i dont like to play poker, but prefer baccarat...fast returns or losses....but you usually follow what the ppl are betting...

[Jimcs50]

i find that with high cards, pockets are dangerous to play with, either you have to go all in preflop instead of trying to bait ppl in who rely on seeing cards...

too bad i dont like to play poker, but prefer baccarat...fast returns or losses....but you usually follow what the ppl are betting...


never played that game

[Jimcs50]

Eight of us guys are going to Coushatta in Kinder, La for our annual golf/poker weekend on Friday.

The Friday night poker tourney is good. The first time I went, 3 years ago, I was chip leader at final table and let them talk me into a chop, where I got $1600( $70 entry). Last year I made Final table(98 players) and went out in 8th place(won $290).

I made a bad fold where I raised 1/3 of my stack(10,000) with A-8, and the BB went all in, he had me covered by about a hundred chips. I was getting almost 3-1, so even if he had AK, I was getting the correct price to call, but I folded like a little girl, hoping to move up the ladder because there were 3 short stacks under me. He flipped over KQ, and I was immediately pissed at myself. That made me go on tilt sort of, and I went out 5 mins later after flopping an open ender, shoving and missing.


The golf course(Kosati Pines) is one of the best courses anywhere, so if you guys like golf and poker, I recommend you going there. It costs $100 to stay in hotel with golf package(green fee and cart) each night, so is a great deal.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'll be in College Station this weekend. My Sancha's husband is going to be playing golf/poker with his buddies in Louisiana.

[Jimcs50]

I'll be in College Station this weekend. My Sancha's husband is going to be playing golf/poker with his buddies in Louisiana.

No wonder she told me to stay as long as I wanted to.

:p:

[TDMVPDPOY]

these tables u play at, how long u usually there?

[Jimcs50]

these tables u play at, how long u usually there?


The tourney lasted about 5 hours both times.

The longest I played at a cash game was in Vegas 2 years ago. I played 42 of 44 hours, stopping to eat twice.:)

[Jimcs50]

We had 6 guys play in the poker tourney Friday night at Coushatta.

78 players started, 8 tables.

Unbelievable, that 4 of us made Final Table. :wow

We all agreed to chop up the prize money.

Top four(me included) got $880

Other six got $620

It cost me only $70 to play, because I did not have to rebuy, I only added on at break( 3500 chips for $50), so I made a sweet profit of over $800. I tipped $80 to dealers and the four of us gave $50 each to the other two guys who did not cash so the basically got their money back, so still cleared about 700 bones.:).

[Jimcs50]

I got my reservations for my 4th trip to a WSOP even over Memorial Day weekend. Leaving Friday returning Tuesday.Plating in a $1000 buyin tourney this time. Anyone want join us?

[TDMVPDPOY]

you guys fkn tip dealers? i thought thats illegal man

[Jimcs50]

you guys fkn tip dealers? i thought thats illegal man


illegal to tip dealers? Since when? of course you tip the dealers.

[InRareForm]

you guys should watch high stakes poker. you can learn a lot by it.

if i have KK and and ace is on flop, i always try to keep the pot small and not get crazy, i tend to check/call the flop. More information that way then being in a blind spot when you get check raised.

[Jimcs50]

you guys should watch high stakes poker. you can learn a lot by it.

if i have KK and and ace is on flop, i always try to keep the pot small and not get crazy, i tend to check/call the flop. More information that way then being in a blind spot when you get check raised.



If I have KK and and ace flops, I throw up my hands in disgust and whine that I have ace magnets.....for some reason, whoever I am playing against always seems to bet strong after that. :)

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

illegal to tip dealers? Since when? of course you tip the dealers.

In a lot of countries you can't tip the dealers. Oz is one such country. But they get a nice wage instead, somewhere around $25/hr I think.

[Jimcs50]

In a lot of countries you can't tip the dealers. Oz is one such country. But they get a nice wage instead, somewhere around $25/hr I think.

Really, that would be boring job if you can't anticipate a big tip every now and then.

[Jimcs50]

My Monday night cash game was quite good to me last night. I won 1600, and took in another 650 in insurance. I did not get popped on insurance even one time.


I made a huge semi bluff that made my night.

There is a raise to $40 and a call in front of me, I am in small blind. I look down and low and behold, AA. I decided to isolate or just take the 85 in the pot. I reraise to $200. I get one caller and the 2nd guy folds....sweet.

Flop Jc 9c 6c, not a good flop to mess around with, so I bet $350, the guy calls. Now I put him on a reasonable big pair with a club. I announce to the table when I see the flop that I did not like it, but that I had the ace clubs, so I had outs.I lied.(I had As Ad)

Turn Ac :p:

Now everyone laughs and calls me a liar.

I have 650 left in front of me, so if I check, he might bet his hand and he would be pot committed and call a raise from me if he had any club. I decided that I need to represent KK with the King clubs, so I go all in.

If he calls, with a flush, I have 10 outs to fill up or make quads, but I want him to fold.

I get up, go get more coffee, and act like I do not care what he does. He asks me what I have, I tell him that if he has a set or two pair, he has outs and should go ahead and call......he flips over 10 10 with the 10 clubs, so he has me beat, but he lays it down. I show him my set of aces and he curses at himself, but I think most players can not call there with the Qc and Kc possibly being in my hand, because with my preflop raise, I had to have Qs, Ks or aces, and with my all in, I more than likely had the bigger flush.

BTW, there was a queen on river, so I would have lost my stack, had he called.

[Fabbs]

#$%^& I'm on a cursed run of tournaments.
#$%^ #$%^ #$%^

196 players to start
130 buy in
20K guarantee

75 players left.
Blinds 500/1000 100 ante
I'd had b.s. cards all tourney, just been picking my spots, waiting for the chance to nail the unbelievable dumb ___ table leader that's been sucking out continually with his idiotic plays. Ie he calls with J9off after the flop of J52 spades with no spade and calling all into an AsJh. Turn and flop no spade but he sucks with a 9.

I've got about 12K stack, ave stack is who the ___ knows since this cheap assed place just got brand new signs but wont buy the software to post # of players left, ave stack, etc. But I'm below medium but not tiny. So i need a timely hit. SuckOut has got about 30K.

I'm in 6th position on a 10 seater. Everyone folds to me, i just call with AJd's. More folds up to Dumbass in the small blind who raises it to 2K, BigBlind folds. I simply call the 2K as i want to see a flop.

Ac
Qc
6d

Dumbass moves all in. I study him, figure he is not on a flush draw. Do not put him on AQ or set of 6's as why would he move all in in front of me? I place him on A with a so so kicker or Queen with a good kicker not Ace. Figure all i have to fear is AK and he doesnt have it.
I call his all in.

Sure enough, he has A/10 no clubs. I plop down my AJ and the whole table cheers because they are sick of this guy too.

Turn is a 10. River is whatever. He pumps his fists in the air and does the gutteral "yeah, yeah!!".

Reward a Retard is how my tournaments have ALL been ending.

I'm playing nothing more then deepstacks from now on. Problem is this area has NO deepstacks, save for Pala who just started a beauty one.
30K chips to start
550 buy in (steep but you can sattelite your way in as they have a day before mini tourney that the 1st 20!!! get a seat.)

What's been happening with you all?