I'm the biggest Ginobili homer and often comforted by knowing that Manu will be remembered in at least as good a sense as someone like Pete Maravich. Kids in future generations will talk about the cool moves and the unique style that he played with. People are always quick to say he's a lock for the Hall of Fame. So when haters trash him in recent months, it's easier to handle in the grand scheme of things.
BUT the last couple of weeks have had me thinking. Is there a chance that the consensus will change and by the time his career is done, people no longer think he's a Hall of Famer? It's a scary thought but I think it's actually possible.
If Manu plays another two years averaging 8ppg (9ppg in 2014, 7 ppg in 2015), his career scoring average will be around only 14 points with 3.7 rebounds and 3.8 assists. Playoff scoring average will decline to around 15 as well so the "Manu steps it up" claim will not appear very clear.
Will revisionist history claim that 2004 US Olympic team was a joke with Stephon Marbury, Kenyon Martin, Allen Iverson so Manu doesn't get much credit there. Will they claim in 2003, Manu was a rookie bench player who was arguably the 5th or 6th most valuable. Really only a core piece of 2 championship rings with low individual NBA accolades and low individual career totals? And maybe cost his team 1 -2 championships as well to wash out his contributions in 05 and 07.
People today are talking about T-Mac, AI, and C-Webb getting in and it makes you wonder if later on in history, people will look at a Joe Johnson as > than Manu Ginobili if they have another 2 years of Old Manu overwriting their memory.
Basing on NBA only you could say maybe not. But NBA Spurs + International Ball for Argentina + successful stints in the Italian League, Argentina League, Euro League. He's had a more successful and widely distributed career then most. So Basketball Hall of Fame for Manu Ginobili? Yes.
Awards
- Italian League MVP: 2001, 2002
- Italian League All-Star: 1999, 2000, 2001
- Euroleague Finals Most Valuable Player: 2001
- FIBA Americas Championship Most Valuable Player: 2001
- Italian Cup Most Valuable Player: 2002
- All-Tournament Team, FIBA World Cup: 2002, 2006
- Olimpia de Oro: 2003, 2004 (shared with Carlos Tévez)
- NBA All-Star: 2005, 2011
- 50 Greatest Euroleague Contributors: 2008
- NBA Sixth Man of the Year Award: 2008
- Diamond Konex Award 2010, most important sportsman of the decade in Argentina
- All-NBA Third Team: 2008, 2011
les
- Italian League Championship: 2001
- Italian Cup: 2001, 2002
- Euroleague: 2001
- Triple Crown: 2001
- Americas Championship: 2001, 2011
- NBA Championship: 2003, 2005, 2007
- Summer Olympic Games gold medal: 2004
- Summer Olympic Games bronze medal: 2008
- FIBA Diamond Ball Tournament gold medal: 2008
He will. The 04 Olympics upset sealed his enshrinment. But I think gino will be one of those players that will get in the hof like 10-15 years after retirement.
cracks me up when people seem to intimate that the Hall of Fame is for NBA when that is simply not the case. He's as good as in.
A couple of seasons at the end of his career are not going to tarnish all of his accomplishments. I'll echo what David Thorpe said: "Few players at that position were better than Manu in his prime, and all who were will be Hall of Famers, too."
Lock
This thread is pathetic.
Manu has been a lock for the HoF since 2007, tbh. Anyone who disagrees is a fraud.
Most certainly.
Jason Kidd couldn't make a basket at all in his final games and yet he's still a lock for the HOF. Manu's fine.
It is the BASKETBALL HALL OF FAME, not the NBA HALL OF FAME, so if it is truly the former then yes. However, if SAS makes the Finals again and he mucks up like this last time then he should be banned for 20 years minimum.
Last edited by Skull-1; 09-18-2013 at 06:03 AM.
Ginobili's been a mortal lock for the HOF for probably 5-6 years. You don't "unmake" the HOF once you've made it.
What about Conference les? Those are importante too.
3 Games in the NBA finals takes him from being a 1st ballot to the bubble...right
Give it up guys, you will never convince those ignorant trolls that Manu is anything but a washed up scrub!
First off, I have no respect for the HOF. They consistently put in flashy players over good players. Recently I've heard rumors that Tracy McGrady may eventually get into the HOF. As CRAZY as this sounds, I wouldn't be surprised if this actually ended up happening. Nor would I be surprised if Yao Ming, who had a mediocre career after being taken #1 overall, got in, just because he was the best 7'6 guy ever (because Shawn Bradley SUCKED.)
That said, I think Manu will get in no matter what. Here's why: Because Manu is a very notorious player. Nororious for what you ask? Three things. 1) Flopping. 2) The euro-step. 3) compe iveness. No matter what, NBA fans are always going to remember Manu Ginobili for these three things, and so he'll always be a resonating presence on peoples minds when they see these things in the future. When people see James Harden do the euro-step, they'll credit Ginobili for first demonstrating it's effectiveness. When they see someone flop, "Ugh, he sold it worse than Ginobili!" And when they see someone give it their all on every play, or see someone do something crazy (like swatting a bat from mid-air), they'll think of Ginobili.
Getting in the HOF is about being popular. And because Manu is so notorious, he'll get in for sure.
Lol that's actually not a bad take!
Most definitely. With his combined international and NBA success, Manu is a virtual lock for the HOF. Not even his stinky performances in this past NBA playoffs can affect that - nor should it.
He is clearly washed up and he is a HOF'er, no question.
That's about the size of it.
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@ OP... A Manu showing concern that his childhood idol might not make it into the HOF due to his ty performances in the NBA Finals and throughout the year.
Although Manu is a future HOF, his legacy will forever be tarnished by non-biased Spurs fans like me or by many non-Spurs fans. The only ones that are still infatuated with Manu and his past accomplishments are the Spurs homers.
I haven't done this for a while so let give you'll a little refresher:
Homer - Someone who shows blind loyalty to a team or organization, typically ignoring any shortcomings or faults they have.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=homer
But he is... okay maybe he's not a scrub but he is washed up!
Last edited by TheGreatYacht; 09-18-2013 at 02:34 PM.
Aren't all the Euroscrubs in the HOF? Marcilonis? Kukoc? Schrempf? Petrovic? Then Manu will most definitely be in.
I think leading Argentina to the Gold in 2004 followed by his epic 2005 playoff run/finals series (where tbh he should have gotten Finals MVP, or at least co-mvp) was enough to get him in. Except he was also one of the league's best players from that point until the end of the 2011 season. He was still damn good in 2012, but injuries held him back. 2013... well whatever.
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