STFU stupid--you're the asshole who rode with johnny footballl go eat
Ya I agree. I've been all in for the youth movement since KL was traded--this team as constructed at best is a first round exit and at worst a lottery team--might as well just tank--this team is in serious need of basketball talent. But with Pop at the helm that's never going to happen--he's not coaching to tank.
I think DD has completely checked out. Unfortunately I think Lonnie might be too. DD just aimlessly driving into a packed paint while the 3 is always available. Nearest defender is like 10 feet from DD and the 3pt line. I kinda don't blame the guy. He's vet that sees exactly how ty Pop is. The guy is just being a pro at this point with regards to calling anyone out for the obvious.
Meanwhile Lonnie cannot wait for next year or whenever he can be a free agent. Marco wasn't giving anything today and yet the better option was glued to the bench. Unbelievable. To with the FO and ownership.
LOL.... Marco with a +5 and Forbes a +12!
Watching Blazers vs Jazz. Blazers suck. Spurs will get 8th.
But we also suck so there’s thatWatching Blazers vs Jazz. Blazers suck. Spurs will get 8th.
He's not a game changer? I totally disagree. The game seems to change when he enters i.e against Brooklyn the last time he played
Forbes and Belinelli combing for 40 mins is not a good thing.
This team just isn't good enough to over come their toxic play. Also, Forbes continuing to start is insane.
Sad thing is, this is going to continue as long as they are a game or two out of a playoff spot.
Walker is most certainly a game changing player. He's long, athletic, willing to defend - already a huge upgrade over most of the team -, is a legitimate threat from 3 and opens up lob opportunities with his athleticism, besides from a finishing package around the rim. He's explosive and fun to watch, everything the rest of the Spurs are not - but he's being placed in a position to fail. We have not, and will probably not for the rest of the season, see the best of Lonnie whilst archaic LMA and DD drag the team down with their slow-it-down ISO shtick. Lonnie would thrive in a transition-based, run-and-gun offensive scheme but neither Pop nor the Spurs roster are anywhere close to it.
FFS Pop. Just FOR SAKE. Stop playing Forbes and Beli as role players.
....and therein lies the problem--Walker would be better served in an open style offense where he is allowed to use his athleticism to his advantage--under the Spurs scheme he isn't very good because its constricted--this is why you see guys like Murray and White also struggling---these guys are no basketball savants--they're good athletes (in Walker's case a great athlete)--for the way this team is currently constructed the young guys aren't very good--in order for that to happen is for Pop to go---he's still trying to force a square peg into a round hole--and the pieces he has to run the system he wants are washed up
So, you agree that Walker is a game-changing player but think Pop is misusing him? Welcome to the ing club, then... Even the greatest NBA players can only go as far as their coaches let them - and in Lonnie's case he can't even get out of the doghouse for most games. The worst thing about this (and one that I hope is temporary) is how over-conscious he becomes when he does get PT; constantly looking at Pop or the bench, waiting for the cut. Maybe other teams will learn to exploit him, like was the case with Oladipo.
No. I think Walker can be a viable player in the NBA but he's not a Morant, Luka, KL level player--he could be great in spurts (we have seen that at least once before) but he can't carry a franchise--for me that's the definition of a game changer--I think a lot of fans in here are pinning their hopes on Walker being the next KL but they're going to be disappointed--in all fairness to him--I think Pop is seriously mishandling the young guy--the dude has paid his dues--doesn't complain etc--but Pop is too proud to call it a season--only way we see Walker get serious minutes is if a couple of the other guards get hurt and are out for extended time--maybe we'll just have to wait til next year if under a new coach
Too many guards,spurs need a trade desperatley for a sf/pf
Jury's still way out on Morant - dude's landing makes me iffy every time and hasn't been exactly carrying the Griz to a good record; Luka obviously has the potential but has still to win a playoff series or even make one... But I get your point. I hope we get to see enough playing time from Lonnie to see what kind of player he can become, game-changing or not. Lot of players are late bloomers, he's only 20, but he won't improve much on the bench for sure.
They could have at least lost the first quarter. Was looking forward to my free Jumbo Jack tomorrow...
We had one of the best in the entire league and we traded him away for literally nothing.
sorry bertans
Yup,gave away a top 3 player right now for a true sg(who cant shoot threes) ,kj and backup center
Sooo ....
Pop's 3 point shooting pets of Forbes, Marco, and Mills, who he desperately needs for supposed spacing
0-12 against the Mavs
Space the floor for what? DDR, LMA and Gay are basically mid range shooters. This team isn’t built to play inside-out or outside-in. Just a mixup of shooters, half of which can’t shoot.
Have you watched the game? Or at least checked the stats?
We do need those pets for spacing.
This game showed that Murray-White-Derozan is borderline unplayable offensively. And they lost us this game while Forbes (whom I usually hate) and Beli were net-positive.
I get all that Spurstalk narrative and usually support it but we should pay attention to actual game. Murray-White-Derozan doesn't work; adding Lonnie there won't probably help. Sadly, we need those spacing pets
Murray white played 3 minutes together
Now imagine if you cut derozan loose and played Murray white and walker together. You have great man defense, slashing and 2 3 point threats. Lonnie and white are more than willing enough to shoot the 3. white made more 3s than the pets combined tonight for s sake
I watched the game.
And I did re-watch the 4th from the insertion of White, that's who I know the tiny sample size of Forbes' +/- is misleading.
The Murray-White combo lasted (edited for bad math) 3:18 straight and -4 (until the later brief combined 20 seconds where Pop was subbing Murray for Gay on some offense-defense). Why? Because White missed open makeable threes and turnovers that were not spacing related, and the open threes are what he needs to take (and then later hit one while Forbes was on the court boosting Forbes' +/-.
1st Offensive possession: DeRozan iso into postup and score. +2
DEF: Brunson hits a contested 3 against White. Contested. -1.
2nd OFF: Murray turnover on the pass to Aldridge. Nothing to do with spacing with White vs Forbes/Marco. White's man was actually on him. -1
DEF: Wright with a long uncontested 3 late in the shotclock on Aldridge after some confusion. -4
and that's where the margin would stay.
3rd : White miss, makeable shot. He made more threes in this game than Forbes, Marco and Mills combined remember. -4
DEF: Unforced turnover on Mavs -4
4th : White misses the makeable 3. I want White taking that shot. -4
DEF: missed contested 3 -4
5th : unforced turnover on White with the errant pass out to Murray. Unforced error, but also proof that White and Murray need more time together. -4
Pop then sends Forbes to sub in next stoppage.
DEF: contested miss, rebound. -4
6th: Rudy turnover and stubbed toe. Instead of giving the ball to Aldridge for the post-up, Murray dribbles in and gives it up to Rudy. -4
and that was it.
That tiny sample size of makeable missed threes by White, poor decision making from Murray resulting in 2 turnovers, and a bad pass from White.
Meanwhile
Forbes has a +12, but it's not because he was making plays like Lonnie against Houston in the big comeback.
If Doncic doesn't choke free throws he's only +10.
Forbes made nice driving and-1 and had a nice defensive sequence which was probably more an unforced turnover on Hardaway who didn't respect Forbes' defense and dribbled it off his ankle. But Forbes did stay in front. He also somehow wasn't scored on by Wright, so that's good on one drive, and got away with pushing Wright on another miss. So that's even more good.
There was a DeRozan fast break goaltend which Forbes did nothing special on. White hit a transition three (nothing to do with Forbes). Rudy Gay hit a quick 3.
And then Forbes refused to shoot the pull-up after the great defense from White.
But the spacing presence of Forbes didn't impact the +/- other than a suspect defender coming off a sprained ankle Doncic fearing the three.
Forbes did brick his 2 threes in the final 4:35.
Go through the rest of the game and I'm sure a viewer could break down exactly how Forbes and Marco were not the reason they had positive boxscores. If Doncic hits his free throws and White and Gay miss their threes, and Forbes is only +4, is that because Forbes was 8 points worse? No.
Even the Forbes defense on Hardaway that resulted in a turnover ... That was with Murray denial on Doncic and White on Finney-Smith. If that was Mills or Marco on Doncic or Finney-Smith, I don't know if Hardaway keeps it.
THEN with Murray subbed back in at the Forbes free throw, it's Murray denial on Doncic and White almost creates the turnover on Finney-Smith from behind but DeRozan can't get to it. Then the Doncic foul on the out-of-bounds play.
But even on those two defensive possessions, Murray and White did a good job of keeping the Spurs in play.
I'll roll with Murray-White easily, they'll get better together the more time they play together.
Reminds me of people strangely declaring the Splitter and Tim Duncan couldn't ever be on the court at the same time, because when Pop finally put them on court together while losing in the playoffs against Memphis in tiny sample sizes, they didn't have perfect chemistry. Because in Splitter's first ever playoff game in game 4, first game in 10 days, him being asked to start the 3rd quarter with Duncan, they were -6 in 3 minutes or something dumb like that. Splitter would later start 40 playoff games next to Duncan.
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Our top two scorers don't. It's impossible to space for DDR, he always drives into traffic. If there's no defender near, he'll go looking for one. Trying to space for DDR is a fool's errand.
LMA's signature move is his turn-around, and he creates the space for that himself.
The corner 3, from anybody, relies on drawing defenders in, to jam the middle, not spacing, and the corner 3 is the best.
Once in a while you'll see a Spur look for an opening in the middle, to drive, but it's rare. The one who might benefit the most from opening up space in the middle would be Lonnie, but he isn't allowed to play.
Where are you seeing that the Spurs need that spacing? In a practical way, I mean.
What the Spurs need from their 3pt shooters is for them to make shots. There are no judges awarding style points for "tactical spacing."
Nonsense. One game doesn't show piffle, especially when guys have hardly played together.This game showed that Murray-White-Derozan is borderline unplayable offensively. ...
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