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Actually, he is. He was just put as the central piece in a different system, and his numbers reflect that actuality.
Harden in OKC wasn't the player he is now. Let's not get into mind numbing arguments please.
Actually, he is. He was just put as the central piece in a different system, and his numbers reflect that actuality.
Statistically it is close as nearly every modern scoring record and accomplishment lists Jordan and multiple times. In terms of les, Wayne was done in the 1980s. Jordan could have brought basketball to any corner of the planet.
This Playoff blunder by Wayne is tough to forget
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Lebron turned a prennial 14th seeder into a 1st seeded team.
What more do you gots need?
Maybe In a playoff vacuum Kawhi is the best...but there is no doubt hes still the most valuable player in the league in a night in and night out basis..Him and Giannis are 1 and 2
there is something to be said about a player who cannot even carry his team in the RS. yeah it's great he shows up in the playoffs but the thing that separates him from Giannias/Lebron/Harden is that they NEED to play 70+ games for their teams to be successful. Leonard is playing on stacked rosters so he can rest during the RS. he cannot carry a team on his own, and if he was on a lesser team, he would be gimped by the time the playoffs started.
cant be the best player in the league when you cant even actually lead your team to the post season.
uh no they dont rethe are you talking about? only real numbers that are similar are O and D rtg. his opm, w/s, vorp, etc are all clearly way better in Houston than in OKC. why are you just making up
Only a ing re is calling Harden 2nd best reg season GOAT. Not surprised to see you chiming in with your re edness. Not surprised at all.uh no they dont re
No, he isn't. Players improve you know. Also your argument is a poor one. Under your premise, the Warriors that broke the Bulls récord should have won 80 games next season with Durant.
Who is calling Harden that? And who the do you think you, of all people, are calling re ?
Every contender should be able to get by with its star player missing games here and there.
Most teams would lose a bunch of games if their star player decides to sit out close to 20 or more per year. Take Lebron or AD off the Lakers for 20 games and they are falling the standings. Take Giannis off the Bucks 20 are more games and the same applies. You can say the same about the Sixer when it comes to Embiid or Simons.
Clippers are just stacked so #2 has the luxury of sitting out games.
What happened when Duncan sit back on the mid '00's? Did that mean Duncan wasn't as good as advertised?
Also, the Clippers are 4-5 when Kawhi doesn't play. Why are you acting as if the Clippers don't miss a beat when Kawhi sits?
His improvement wasn't that pronounced. His utilization was though.
The reason that Durant didn't improve the Warriors reg season is that the rest of the league was catching up. He did make them better at playoff time.
There is no way you really believe a slouch like Harden is second best regular season player. Dude's a stat stuffer, not a difference maker.
When did I say that?
but 25% of the season?
4-5 is a small sample size. I do believe their record will be better over a larger sample size. It still pretty good they are playing around .500 basketball without him. Very few teams are going to be able to hover around .500 without their star player being out for a long stretch unless it's a stacked team.Also, the Clippers are 4-5 when Kawhi doesn't play. Why are you acting as if the Clippers don't miss a beat when Kawhi sits?
Also let's bring up last year where the Raptors had a ridiculously good record without him. It definitely helped him out tremendously. Very few stars have that luxury.
Bucks played around .500 ball last season without Giannis. And, yeah, contenders are usually stacked teams. That's why the Spurs won a lot more than they lost when Duncan used to sit. That's why the Bulls won 50+ games when Jordan retired for the first time.
But was Giannis and Jordan sitting out 20 plus game per year? #2 is great if you have team where you can afford to sit him out 20 plus games a year. I doubt the bucks could afford to do that with Giannis.
Kawhi is probably the better player right now, but I was talking career wise and what people end up remembering, which is what ultimately matters. Nobody will remember TD outside of San Antonio even if he was a top 10 player of all time. He simply wasn’t a marketable star, and that was his own choice. Kawhi has the same issue, tbh, plus a speech disfunction of some sort. DK was an asshole but marketed well, same with LeBron, Shaq, AI, etc. Even second tier sidekicks like SwaggyP, Kobe, etc had a solid off court media game.
It's interesting with #2 I see huge push by the media trying to make him look cool. I never saw that with Duncan. With Duncan it was he's boring and dull. But with #2 they are trying to hype him up to be a terminator type of figure. They also try to make him out to be a funny guy based on every simple thing that comes out his mouth ala "fun guy". #2 has it great with the media considering he gets to be a re ed version of Duncan but gets better treatment along with getting more hype.
Coz LeBron is retiring sooner rather than later and it’s either Giannis or Kawhi for the hype. And Giannis is in the wrong market. But even then, did you see that DeRozan-Kevin Hart interview upstairs, where Hart mocks the out of Kawhi and the way he talks? I’m living in LA right now, and there’s really no hype. Maybe it’ll change if they ring, or have a solid series against the Lakeshow, but right now I’ve seen a grand total of one commercial (Terminator, where he’s played awkwardly as a robot), and all the Clippers billboards are about ‘team first’ and nothing about Kawhi...
Wow that's pretty interesting. I never believed #2 was ever marketable due to not having charisma and social presence that guys like Kobe,MJ,Lebron,Shaq had. Giannis has the charisma but I think what hurts him moreso than the market he is in is that he's a foreigner. It's just hard to market a foreigner in America. Lebron proved when he played in Cleveland that market size doesn't really matter.
NBA has an interesting problem the next few years which is the top young talent below 25 Embiid,Doncic,Giannis are all foreigners.
If Lebron hadn't ran off to Miami he'd probaby still be sitting today on a big fat 0. Suffocating from the pressure.
He won with Cleveland. He broke the curse. He’s basically historically immortal after that.
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